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Carrier isn't too much of a factor, but I'd prefer Verizon if at all possible. By entry-level I mean free or as close to free as possible.
Thanks for any help.
That all depends on what sales are going on.
Entry level could be a few different things. I find some androids easier to use then others, but if you are simply looking for free. I think the best out there right now is this one.
http://www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/...l&selectedPhoneId=5605&name=EMC-A-S-C-RX-THUN
Full Retail Price $569.99
2-Year Contract $149.99
Online Discount -$50.00
Promo Discount -$99.99
PRICE with 2-Year contract FREE
In Italy the good one is Samsung galaxy W
but we have very few carrier phone so it cost much than USA
i got a rezound for 99 from wirefly which i love. Has a lot of potential and im looking forward to cm9 unleashing it! Hopefully ill have a 2ghz processor after im done! lol
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Carrier isn't too much of a factor, but I'd prefer Verizon if at all possible. By entry-level I mean free or as close to free as possible.
Thanks for any help.
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get a huawei gaga
My first Android was an Optimus T on T-Mobile that was almost free at the time.
I'm with FaultException - I have the "T" and it's been 99.9% flawless for over a year. Plenty of features to keep me happy. Considered rooting it but then lost the urge because for me, it just works. Bonus: with a 2-yr contract, the device was free after two rebates. I have no complaints.
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If budget is a limiting factor you can find very good deals on Ebay. I'd never buy a new phone.
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Carrier isn't too much of a factor, but I'd prefer Verizon if at all possible. By entry-level I mean free or as close to free as possible.
Thanks for any help.
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iPhone 4S with ICS-T.
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So i was talking to joelz and said that he was willing to dev and help myn and team warm on warm fourpointzero. He is an amazing dev and did some incredible work on HTC Rezound, HTC Droid Incredible, Verizon Galaxy Nexus, HTC EVO 3D, HTC EVO 3D GSM, HTC EVO 4G, HTC EVO 4G LTE, HTC Desire HD, and HTC Inspire 4G plus probably some i am forgetting. anyways LETS GET JOELZ A GS3!!!
It looks like the cheapest ones are going on swappa for around $500 so lets set that as a goal.
All the money is for the developer, to get the phone. Please post what you have donated so we can keep track of who is helping out
Heres his Paypal link http://forum.xda-developers.com/donatetome.php?u=3449508 just post and say how much you have donated so i can keep track of it
Donations:
Marcismo55-$20 (48L915611J763661R)
jaben2-$25 (90326963SG355761N)
dagnisaun-$15 (69e77945k77958130)
mikeew83-$26 (6JG95563DJ001763P)
Jshokamp-$100 (5WK011893874960H)
Cordell12-$15 (5R915424NK7453347)
Hesh.monster-$15 (41S18051DH864593T)
Jaben2-$25 (55E489633N032730S)
Dovigoldberger-$20 (8UX80260M2657024M)
Droidstyle-$27 (7EC40057XX368633D)
Thanks to other donations given to joelz
TRUE TOTAL: $300 (I believe that includes Paypal fees)
NOTE: the total is actually a little less due to Paypal fees
UPDATE: a deal has been worked out for the device.it should be shipping tomorrow BUT we still do need $50 more
UPDATE: We have gotten all the money as well as found a very cheap device. Thanks to everyone who has donated
Everything checks out. Continue on
No one would even consider it?
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I would love to see Joelz developing over here even though he said the VZW was a flop because of the locked bootloader . Warm loving would be nice too!
I sent $20 his way towards a device. Confirmation number: 48L915611J763661R
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I would love to see Joelz developing over here even though he said the VZW was a flop because of the locked bootloader . Warm loving would be nice too!
I sent $20 his way towards a device. Confirmation number: 48L915611J763661R
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It has been unlocked.
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It has been unlocked.
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Yes, I am quite aware of that bud. Initially, he said he would not getting the device because of the locked bootloader which is where my previous statement came from.
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Yes, I am quite aware of that bud. Initially, he said he would not getting the device because of the locked bootloader which is where my previous statement came from.
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I think just about everyone knows its unlocked now
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I think just about everyone knows its unlocked now
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What's unlocked :cyclops:
piiman said:
What's unlocked :cyclops:
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We have the keys to the kingdom and it has been unlocked
Only prob is Joelz needs an SGS III to enter the kingdom to join Team Warm's journey to excellence on the SGSIII.
Thanks =D by the way if i dont reach enough money i will refund the donations
so we sending money now or waiting till we hit posted 500?
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so we sending money now or waiting till we hit posted 500?
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Now and he will refund if he doesn't get it
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$25 from me, looking forward to getting a new another good dev on board for the S3
+$15!
69e77945k77958130
Thanks everyone! OP has been updated to include everyones donations
I'll offer my Pebble Blue 16GB up for a little cheaper than $500....great shape as well
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I'll offer my Pebble Blue 16GB up for a little cheaper than $500....great shape as well
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SWEET THANK YOU! Most on swappa are a little less but either way it is awesome to have a set price for people to go for. What you be willing to give it up for?
Remember, if you add a line buy it on that line for $200+tax, transfer it to your line, put dummy phone (blank, call cust. service) on new line for 1 month ($10), then cancel in a month (etf for dumbphone line is $175), the total comes to about $440 w/ tax depending on your local rate.
Edit: one for $430 on swappa
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SWEET THANK YOU! Most on swappa are a little less but either way it is awesome to have a set price for people to go for. What you be willing to give it up for?
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We can figure that out when the bounty gets closer, but I'll be willing to go a little lower than what everyone is charging
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Remember, if you add a line buy it on that line for $200+tax, transfer it to your line, put dummy phone (blank, call cust. service) on new line for 1 month ($10), then cancel in a month (etf for dumbphone line is $175), the total comes to about $440 w/ tax depending on your local rate.
Edit: one for $430 on swappa
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if one is $430 on swappa then this seems kinda unnecessary... sorry con
Okay,
today i get the email for the smash contest to get one of the first 100 devices.
-> http://oneplus.net/smash
But i dont want smash my 3 month old phone.... wich i can sell easiely for 400€ on ebay.
So i wanted to share you this if any of you want do that i can forward this to any other of you by filling this form out:
http://us3.forward-to-friend.com/forward?u=38ce6799cb297fe80b40d524e&id=9266cf8917&e=aa91a29f49
It must be a registered nick and email adress on OnePlus One Forum otherwhise it will not work.
-> if they choose you and you´ll smash your phone(video requiered) and get then for 1$ a OnePlus One you can invite 3 other people.
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As i sad i want only share this information for all people.
I know that only crazy people want do this ^^ so please if you are not interested on this just get it as some news
Cheers
Yeah I rather sell my Nexus 5 and pocket the money from the difference .
I'm in a reasonable position where I bought a Nexus 5 outright back in November because my GS3 had been dropped one too many times and acts very flakily. It probably only stays on for 5 minutes at a time so I registered and was happy to see the GS3 on the accepted phone list.
It's just going to sit in a drawer anyway so if I get the chance to smash it and get a new phone for a dollar then I'll take it. I doubt I'll make the list though.
holy **** lol, i'm definitely down for this, as a person who regrettably bought the LG G2, I'm game for smashing it if I can get a new phone for $1 lol
digitalsynner85 said:
holy **** lol, i'm definitely down for this, as a person who regrettably bought the LG G2, I'm game for smashing it if I can get a new phone for $1 lol
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You could sell it then buy the OnePlus and have money left over lmao.
lol, i just want to destroy that phone, not like i can really switch to the oneplus anyway until after i paid off more of my note 3 through sprints easy pay thing so that i can do my equipment swap since apparently you can't use previously owned equipment after you get the installment crap on the device
yeah its only a $300 phone.. when my One can sell for $400+
While I did apply for the competition, I somehow am hoping I will not win
If you're not willing to smash you should not sign up. They're only picking 100 people.
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And you have to own a "flagship" device meaning one of only a small number listed at their site, not just any smartphone which kinda sucks but it's there game I suppose.
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And you have to own a "flagship" device meaning one of only a small number listed at their site, not just any smartphone which kinda sucks but it's there game I suppose.
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So a Galaxy Nexus does not qualify? Shame.
Seeing as I'd only get around 250 for my nexus 5 if I went the eBay & craigslist route, I'd rather not go through the trouble and just smash it for the one+1. I hour I get picked. If not then I'll have to go the long route and maybe get the 64 gig one. Either way in getting this phone! Lol
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You don't need to smash your phone, just sell it and buy the OnePlus One from http://liaow.com/onepluslist.php
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That site looks kinda sketchy to me... And $100 more expensive too.
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So a Galaxy Nexus does not qualify? Shame.
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I was hoping I could smash my bricked HTC Incredible S ):
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I was hoping I could smash my bricked HTC Incredible S ):
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Well, it's a marketing gag, nothing more. They want to show that ppl are ready to smash flagships for their phone. There is no pride to be gained if everybody would smash their historic phones for it :laugh:.
On the other hand, some of the qualifying models really bring more on swappa than the price of that 16GB OnePlus One. The whole campaign has a touch of decadence that I don't like...
I think I will just keep my HTC One M7 as a backup and add the OnePlus One 64GB to my collection.
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Okay,
today i get the email for the smash contest to get one of the first 100 devices.
-> http://oneplus.net/smash
But i dont want smash my 3 month old phone.... wich i can sell easiely for 400€ on ebay.
As i sad i want only share this information for all people.
I know that only crazy people want do this ^^ so please if you are not interested on this just get it as some news
Cheers
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I would like to do it but its asking for your full name and info.?
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I would like to do it but its asking for your full name and info.?
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Well just register your self there an fill in the requierd things.
Or read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52295315 and wait till late June without smashing anyting
Cheers
xenix96 said:
Well just register your self there an fill in the requierd things.
Or read this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=52295315 and wait till late June without smashing anyting
Cheers
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I already did... I ust thought that link you sent was like a special advancement or something.
How much would I get for Ipone 3G?
Wonder if I could get enough to help me buy a oneplus1 ? Think I'll google it Wow, I looked close to nothing What a waste.
Im getting a OPO in and currently have the option of trading it brand new and sealed for a mint condition M8 and Im seriously considering it only cause of the issues I have heard about the OPO and all the negativity surrounding it. Would you guys think Id be wise in trading it for the M8? I really wanted to try this phone and like it but Im honestly just scared Im gonna get a bunch of issues and with OP customer service it seems like it would be a nightmare so I am super torn...
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Im getting a OPO in and currently have the option of trading it brand new and sealed for a mint condition M8 and Im seriously considering it only cause of the issues I have heard about the OPO and all the negativity surrounding it. Would you guys think Id be wise in trading it for the M8? I really wanted to try this phone and like it but Im honestly just scared Im gonna get a bunch of issues and with OP customer service it seems like it would be a nightmare so I am super torn...
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From a business standpoint it would be ideal to trade it for the M8 cause you can always sell the M8, pocket some of the cash and buy another OPO on Craigslist, eBay, Amazon etc.
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From a business standpoint it would be ideal to trade it for the M8 cause you can always sell the M8, pocket some of the cash and buy another OPO on Craigslist, eBay, Amazon etc.
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Very true and thats what Ive considered as well. I just worry about it being a Tmobile M8 and not having the EIP paid off.. Im still super torn cause I really want to play with the OPO especially for a while especially after getting the mythical device, but trading or selling now and waiting for changes in hardware or software could seem beneficial... You see why Im torn..lol
I guess you guys haven't been seeing how much OPOs go for on eBay. Let's just say they crush the m8 for pricing simply due to the exclusivity factor.
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There are 3 threads already established that are devoted to discussions about devices, please read, and if necessary, repost your question in one of these threads: The what should I buy thread or the The Device Suggestion Thread or the The Device Comparison Thread.
There are also several other discussion threads that you probably should review to help you. They are What phone do you wish you had? or
The Worst Android Device That You've Ever Had & Why or even this place that talks about The best phone you ever owned.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - a type c to 3.5mm converter and an accurate release date, which are both costless but important to customers.
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
I am in Canada and is like the US , I still waiting mine.
Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Seriously this is pretty melodramatic because you had to wait a few extra days to get a phone.. HTC never made any promises about the release date to any country. Some regions of Europe got it early, lucky them. HTC doesn't owe you ****.
Knowing HTC phones and US carriers I can almost guarantee that HTC is taking every second it can before shipping to the US to ensure full compatibility with Verizon, T-Mo, and AT&T. There have been issues with the past couple of HTC phones so it makes sense they are trying to get it right.
I am eagerly awaiting my day one pre-order too, but it will get here when it gets here. HTC isn't treating you unfairly or discriminating against you.
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Actually, I didn't want to react to it at all. But from what you've said, I have to write it ironically. You already had $100 discount codes, we Europeans didn't even have anything like an HTC Club. You already received promotional gifts when we didn't even know there was such a thing from HTC. You didn't open your mouths back then and said all fans should get the same options/discounts, so don't complain now that things are going the other way around. Honestly: everything balances out in life, and now we have just drawn the lucky one.
In general I say here in all frankness, just leave this America first attitude at home, and think sensibly for once. It is fair that we finally enjoy the benefits that you have enjoyed for years. This year it's just Europe first. Maybe there will come a time when it will again be the other way around.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
I didn't mean US should get everything first. Actually I'm not American. I live and work in the US at the moment though. And I don't think I have the US first attitude.
The reason why I thought the phone would be released in the U.S first is that HTC held MeetU events in the U.S. first. I went to the one in SF and had an opportunity of getting hands on the phone, and at that time when I placed my order it said June 7th would be the release date.
I'm just feeling disappointed as HTC does not treat customers with respect and it's not offering what every other phone makers would offer - the converter and an accurate release date.
Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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the only reason they arnt a main flagship carrier in the US is because of bad/lack of advertising while samsung constanly has consistent S series phone line while HTC has been all over the place with naming of phones and Samsung runs ads on television and youtube constanly, HTC just needs better marketing out in the US market, also my few cents here but can all the EU/Germany people cool down when someone from US posts they have a right in their own country to speak freely no matter how you may view their thoughts, so plz be respectful, all the original poster was saying how he feels that germany and all the EU markets are getting the phones first when the US market still hasnt gotten theirs still and even im kinda sad about that as well, it has nothing to do with entilement it has to do with a sense of fairness
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Amazon.com has had a solid release date this whole time. Originally, it was June 7 when HTC said the U12+ would ship in June. Now, Amazon says June 21 when HTC now says will ship in July. As for your other questions, HTC barely has a presence in the US anymore. When Samsung took over the market share, HTC stopped being carried in US stores (besides Sprint for the U11... and 10? I forget). I personally just don't think the US is a major priority for HTC anymore. Without being in stores, it's really difficult to move units... And maybe they stopped trying to get into US stores because it was costing more than the profit they were actually making before? The same thing happened with Blackberry. They've been struggling (as we all know) and haven't been in all US carriers either.
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Amazon still says June 21 for ship date - I just checked- at least in the US
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USA is one of the regions where HTC U12+ was earliest announced and the SF and NYC MeetU events were the first two chances where fans had the opportunity of getting hands on the new phone. I thought HTC would treat US customers seriously, but by now it has done everything to make us unhappy instead.
1. European fans have been receiving their phones since last week or earlier, but in the US there's not even an accurate date.
2. European HTC Club members enjoy a fairly good discount, while US TeamHTC members get nothing at all.
3. European HTC Club members get a types-c to 3.5mm converter for free, but US customers will have to buy one by their own...
I really can't understand HTC's marketing strategy. At least it should treat all customers equally, right?
I've been a fan of HTC since I got my HD2 many years ago, but this year I'm kind of disappointed with their attitude to its fans.
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Before I cancelled my preorder, I was to pay £629 with the HTC club discount. With a quick search online, $799.99 is £608. So that pays for the free dongle we get.
As for customer support, my bank card was cloned, and HTC have been just about useless helping me change it to my new card, so I won't get my preorder at all, so I cancelled it. At least I emailed them to cancel it and they haven't replied.
I agree customers should be treated equally where possible, but unfortunately HTC are almost sunk and doesn't seem they have the means to do so anymore.
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Hi, I think you mistook what I said. The $100s coupons and gifts are what European customers get, not American or other regions' users. There's no HTC Club in the U.S but Europe.
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There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got several discounts and gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
* these are only the first three examples I could find via google
this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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this shouldn't be any surprise, HTC is pulling out of the US market...no longer carried by any of the carriers & not even supported on Sprint. HTC canned most of their US employees.
Enjoy a new HTC product in the US while you can, the end is near!
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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I think the network situation is gonna get better with tmobile/sprint merger as everyone has moved to GSM from CDMA and sprint is the last remaining CDMA carrier so i only expect things to get better after its finalized as i used to be on sprint and am happy with tmobile, i didnt make the move right away tho i tried at&t/criket wireless and it sucked and turned out to be more expensive when u want data, where tmobile im part of a company plan and get "unlimited" data where i only got slowed down if i needed to tether from an isp internet outage and was downloading games from steam but when i was it was usable after that still and phone call coverage wise its more usable than when i was on sprints, also are you gonna be making a debloated rom OMJ for this phone really liked the bad boyz rom for when i had the M7 when i had sprint?
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Sorry, no. I have no plans at the moment to buy the u12
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There seems to be a missunderstanding between the two of you. The HTC Club discount for the U12+ is the first discount many countries have ever gotten in Europe. The US, on the other hand, got severaldiscountsand gifts*, in the past. That's what @5m4r7ph0n36uru is referring to.
* these are only the first three examples I could find via google
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Thanks @Flippy498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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Thanks @Flinny498 for clearing that one up. It's exactly what I wanted to state. Didn't want to attack anyone personally, or things like that. Just help clearing up what has been the case for years and is seemingly changing currently.
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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I don't think you meant Flinny.... I don't have a u12+ and currently am not planning on getting one. Not that I don't like the look of it but 24 month contracts...... and I have no REAL need for a new phone yet, at least enough to warrant buying one outright
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Yeah sorry my T9 swapped Flippy with your name somehow.
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Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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x1tymez said:
Well shipping is a joke. People ordered from Amazon is getting on hold or out of stock.
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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The problem is no one at Amazon knows where the June 21 date came from. It's never been in stock to begin with!
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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They did received first shipment, but not enough. At least what they told me. Lol.
If they don't ship next week. I'll cancel and move to something else.
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Well, every person I spoke to there said they never had it in stock. In any event, all we can do is wait.