First post ever. Wanted to post it here but wasn't allowed due to some rules: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2092348
Anyway, wonder if you someone could point out which updates (windows updates) should not be installed for the surface RT if you don't want to update it to 8.1. Reason is that jailbreaks only works for 8.0. But some applications, for instance DosBox, seems to need some updates in order to work (or else according to some comments an error occurs which happens to me know). It has become a kind of catch 22 now; You should not update but if it should work you need to update.
Right now I have 123 different updates.
So the questions still stands: What update(s) should I avoid in order to keep the windows on 8.0? For intance, KB.... or updates released after some date.
I have tried to find any relevant info about this but without success.
EDIT: Sorry, just saw the thread probably belongs in "Surface RT General" forum. Me bad.
Thanks in advance.
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Hi guys, I just got my surface rt And I was wondering should I keep windows 8.1 or just 8? Is it worth it to jailbreak ? Thanks
There are plenty of threads already on this topic...
Anyhow, IMO Windows RT is nigh-useless without jailbreaking. 8.1 helps a little but it's still pretty bad. On the other hand, the RT hacking scene has lost a lot of steam while waiting for an 8.1 jailbreak to come out, and most of the apps that were ported or created specifically for RT are now obsolete versions, abandoned partially complete, or both. They are still useful, but there's limits.
In any case, it really comes down to your use cases. If you need Outlook, use 8.1. If you want to run DOSBox games, use the jailbreak. If you need the latest and greatest Windows Store apps, use 8.1. If you want to try running the x86 dynamic recompilation layer (one of those incomplete-and-abandoned projects, though it works for some normal Windows apps) use the jailbreak. If you want to run the latest version of IE, use 8.1. If you want to use a mostly-functional WebKit-based browser (i.e. not IE), use the jailbreak.
Or you could try contributing to getting the jailbreak working on 8.1, I guess. That would be the best of both worlds, and would probably jump-start development for RT again.
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There are plenty of threads already on this topic...
Anyhow, IMO Windows RT is nigh-useless without jailbreaking. 8.1 helps a little but it's still pretty bad. On the other hand, the RT hacking scene has lost a lot of steam while waiting for an 8.1 jailbreak to come out, and most of the apps that were ported or created specifically for RT are now obsolete versions, abandoned partially complete, or both. They are still useful, but there's limits.
In any case, it really comes down to your use cases. If you need Outlook, use 8.1. If you want to run DOSBox games, use the jailbreak. If you need the latest and greatest Windows Store apps, use 8.1. If you want to try running the x86 dynamic recompilation layer (one of those incomplete-and-abandoned projects, though it works for some normal Windows apps) use the jailbreak. If you want to run the latest version of IE, use 8.1. If you want to use a mostly-functional WebKit-based browser (i.e. not IE), use the jailbreak.
Or you could try contributing to getting the jailbreak working on 8.1, I guess. That would be the best of both worlds, and would probably jump-start development for RT again.
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Okay thanks ! Can I go back to win8 by resetting my rt in settings ?
If you save the 8.0 recover image, yes. I'm not sure whether it's saved under normal upgrade circumstances; I removed mine to free up space. You can also download the 8.0 image and restore it.
It's also possible, though a little complicated, to install 8.0 and 8.1 at the same time, in a dual-boot configuration. Doing so uses a lot of the tablet's internal storage though.
hello guys.
first sorry for my bad English. I'm using a translator
I found a very advantageous offer to buy surtage2 rt 32gb
I have everything android tablet is that smartphone but it is a long time I wanted to try a Win8 tablet
1) recommended it to me again or is it old?
2) it is possible to win pro 8.1?
3) it is possible to install exe files?
4) with the Android system I find all the app to download even with the various alternative market .... with Win8 there are market "alternative"? for the paid app ???
for now, thanks to all
1) Depends *entirely* on what you're looking to use it for. They're good for stuff like Office (though you'll want the keyboard) and web browsing (full browser, including Flashplayer and dev tools!), plus most of the common tablet-y stuff (Netflix, ebooks, etc.). They are modestly hackable (you can "get root" trivially - just a UAC prompt - but you can't modify the kernel or bootloader in any meaningful way at this time). The app store is a lot smaller than for Android, so more esoteric stuff is likely to be missing.
2) No. (Really?? It's an ARM processor, not x86; this should be obvious...). Search before posting!
3) Other than Microsoft-signed ones, not until a jailbreak for RT 8.1 comes out. No idea when that will be, though it's in development. Even then, only ARM or .NET binaries will work (there's a project to support x86 ones through dynamic retranslation, but it was never completed).
4) Go away, filthy pirate; we don't like your kind here. Read the bloody forum rules before you come back, too. $DEITY, 6 years on this forum and you don't know that yet? This is a *developer* forum, a lot of us publish stuff on the store... I guess I shouldn't expect better of somebody with a less than 1 in 200 ratio of posts to thanks, though. (SIX YEARS and 600 posts and you don't know that??)
So as many of you may be aware, Microsoft recently released a patch to fix a dev backdoor in the surface rt line of products. The fixing of a hole indicates the presense of one, which we would do well to discover.
I currently have my own RT inbound on or about the 11th for experimentation, but I'd like to get a head start; however, the RT update is only available via windows update, so I can't get at it via the normal methods
of direct downloading. As such, I'd like to request that the community assist in this manner; by comparing a before and after of the various files updated via kb3172727 one may be able to figure out this dev backdoor
and finally be able to fully unlock this tablet's hardware potential, up to the ability to load linux (and therefore android) on this otherwise nice device.
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I have a brand new OP7 from China, with AA international android 10 rom installed.
problem I am having, my employer requires device management through vmware intelligent hub application for device enrollment, and cert installations.
during the setup and enrollment process, I get an error saying failed to create install url, support team has never seen this error before, and I can't find much reference to the issue online.
Any suggestions where to start with this?
Probably compatible issue with android 10.
Try to clean install of 10.0.1. For me at least it solved some apps that didn't worked even in first original android 10 release.
As usual, the solution here is downgrading to android 9, due to providers not being willing to believe there is an issue with their software. I used the rollback package provided for those running Q betas earlier in the year. This put it back to 9.5 and I was able to get the vmware product to work. I will hold off on updating to 10 when they get their head out of their butts.
Note to the vmware developers, your product has been broken on android 10 since the early betas in the spring, but still, you fail to address the problem. Your support is a joke.
Short version: Hi, I need help to install paint.net on my Surface RT (running Win8.1RT, no jailbreak), been reading the threads around here but having absolutely no luck and I'm lost, many threads have deleted comments and I'm not sure on the continuity or lost content, if someone could guide me I will be really thankful.
Long version:
Hi, I'm late to the Surface RT party but I've been a reader of this website for years finding solutions and guidance to solve diff device issues. Found several sources (including this forum) explaining Paint.net (and other apps) can be somehow installed and run on the Surface RT, but honestly I'm lost with the "how". I'm not lazy, I do read and do my research before asking, it's just... the threads don't seem complete.
- Several threads have broken (download) links
- Several threads have deleted comments and I'm not clear on the continuity of the conversation
- I'm really confused on the jailbreak(s) and conflicts with update packages from Microsoft (producing interferences)
- Found some zip downloads identified for RT here and on other places with no instructions except "download" but the app paint.net does not run on my Surface RT, and after trying on my Win10 machine they do run on X86 (dual code? or probably not ARM after all)
- Found videos about what to do to install and run "untrusted apps" but that didn't help, and the videos have lots of comments stating it doesn't work and how it makes no sense the "untrusted" mention regarding instructions for apps found on the Store
- Found a list of ported apps (here) but I think it's quite outdated, the packages don't work or are broken and 404 not found, etc.
- The instructions regarding an alternate Store don't sound complete to me, it didn't work (I couldn't even execute the exe on my RT) and besides I just need paint.net (and this doesn't appear on the Microsoft Store, so sideload using the tool sounds confusing to me)
I'm really lost, honestly the info seems broken, well, I understand it's been years and I'm late to the party. My main interest goes to paint.net, perhaps notepad ++ and that's it. MyTube does work on my device. Interesting because when I tried several times it didn't appear on the MS Store, but somehow one day it was there and I was able to install it, I like it and does what I need.
Why playing with a Surface RT on 2020? I like it, specially the battery life, it's a nice device and does what I need (except simple image manipulation and sure, no modern internet browsing).
On a sidenote: updating to Windows 10? (RT / ARM)??? It's been a couple of months of reading and researching and I'm not sure, I don't see lots of people genuinely happy. It is not a risk I'm comfortable taking, the instructions are long and technical (I could put effort on that) but I see too many people complaining on issues, bricked devices, some report the instructions not working and some reporting the work wasn't really worth it at the end. Besides in my case when I tried came across a message stating bitlocker being active (yet it's not applied to the disk), there was an option stating "skip this drive" but I decided to stop and didn't continue, I'm not sure what does that mean, "skip?" would I loose space on the disk?. Well I'm not making two questions on one thread, just discarding the options to have a better RT, and updating to Windows 10 still doesn't feel safe to me. If anyone could share some experiences, freedom to install some additional apps, better browsing or performance, I will be happy to read.
Thanks in advance.
I cannot provide any assistance but I want to add that I am too on the same road. I have a functional RT and wouldn't mind meeting it up but I would like to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately, like you said, the info is incomplete or outdated.
If anyone has knowledge of the complete requirements to put a Windows 10 on this, or make it otherwise more useful again, it would be highly appreciated.
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I cannot provide any assistance but I want to add that I am too on the same road. I have a functional RT and wouldn't mind meeting it up but I would like to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately, like you said, the info is incomplete or outdated.
If anyone has knowledge of the complete requirements to put a Windows 10 on this, or make it otherwise more useful again, it would be highly appreciated.
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Exactly. I've seen great effort from old forum members over this, but I guess many are retired and others are tired of talking about the topic, and yes, many bits of info are missing or outdated, some threads are impossible to follow, specially now after the forum upgrade (removing the dead messages).
Regarding upgrading to Windows 10, you can check here
and here:
How to install Windows 10 on the Surface RT - Alexenferman
www.alexenferman.com
Beware, it might not work and as stated by the author: you could end up with a bricked device.
There are lots stating they could do it and now have Windows 10 on their Surface RT. There is even a guy right now selling one locally already with W10 (but way too expensive). Just as this topic on installing stuff, I also found the same in regard to W10: lots of messages but little meat, and rarely a detailed or serious report on how it went, while there are also reports of bricked and failed devices.
This might be of your interest:
Being that said... I can tell you I tried, but it didn't work, my story was posted here:
Windows 10 on Surface RT working (edited thread)
Read carefully, this is about the installation of Windows 10 ARM32 on the Surface RT1. Previously tried the Elektrohax tutorial (video on youtube and also posted at Alexenferman.com) but I was unlucky on my attempts. This is the mentioned...
forum.xda-developers.com
BUT... I got lucky, my device is not bricked and I managed to install and keep the patched version of Windows 8.1 for the RT, I have that one now, applied the patches just as if I was going to install again Windows 10, but I didn't, it remains as it is in that step.
What I have now is the same device with a different W8.1 RT, more space, everything works, and I can run ported apps (I now have Paint.Net, Filezilla and others). I still don't have a better internet exprience but I like things as they are right now. The speed of W8.1 RT with the extension of new apps.
Perhaps this is helpful to you, of perhaps you get to overcome the obstacles I found and get W10 on your device, good luck, whatever happens: confirm, this is useful to new people trying.
Updated: it works, finally got W10 installed based on the video tutorial and the steps described at Alexen Ferman website. Some details here:
Windows 10 on Surface RT working (edited thread)
Read carefully, this is about the installation of Windows 10 ARM32 on the Surface RT1. Previously tried the Elektrohax tutorial (video on youtube and also posted at Alexenferman.com) but I was unlucky on my attempts. This is the mentioned...
forum.xda-developers.com
Good luck.