Short version: Hi, I need help to install paint.net on my Surface RT (running Win8.1RT, no jailbreak), been reading the threads around here but having absolutely no luck and I'm lost, many threads have deleted comments and I'm not sure on the continuity or lost content, if someone could guide me I will be really thankful.
Long version:
Hi, I'm late to the Surface RT party but I've been a reader of this website for years finding solutions and guidance to solve diff device issues. Found several sources (including this forum) explaining Paint.net (and other apps) can be somehow installed and run on the Surface RT, but honestly I'm lost with the "how". I'm not lazy, I do read and do my research before asking, it's just... the threads don't seem complete.
- Several threads have broken (download) links
- Several threads have deleted comments and I'm not clear on the continuity of the conversation
- I'm really confused on the jailbreak(s) and conflicts with update packages from Microsoft (producing interferences)
- Found some zip downloads identified for RT here and on other places with no instructions except "download" but the app paint.net does not run on my Surface RT, and after trying on my Win10 machine they do run on X86 (dual code? or probably not ARM after all)
- Found videos about what to do to install and run "untrusted apps" but that didn't help, and the videos have lots of comments stating it doesn't work and how it makes no sense the "untrusted" mention regarding instructions for apps found on the Store
- Found a list of ported apps (here) but I think it's quite outdated, the packages don't work or are broken and 404 not found, etc.
- The instructions regarding an alternate Store don't sound complete to me, it didn't work (I couldn't even execute the exe on my RT) and besides I just need paint.net (and this doesn't appear on the Microsoft Store, so sideload using the tool sounds confusing to me)
I'm really lost, honestly the info seems broken, well, I understand it's been years and I'm late to the party. My main interest goes to paint.net, perhaps notepad ++ and that's it. MyTube does work on my device. Interesting because when I tried several times it didn't appear on the MS Store, but somehow one day it was there and I was able to install it, I like it and does what I need.
Why playing with a Surface RT on 2020? I like it, specially the battery life, it's a nice device and does what I need (except simple image manipulation and sure, no modern internet browsing).
On a sidenote: updating to Windows 10? (RT / ARM)??? It's been a couple of months of reading and researching and I'm not sure, I don't see lots of people genuinely happy. It is not a risk I'm comfortable taking, the instructions are long and technical (I could put effort on that) but I see too many people complaining on issues, bricked devices, some report the instructions not working and some reporting the work wasn't really worth it at the end. Besides in my case when I tried came across a message stating bitlocker being active (yet it's not applied to the disk), there was an option stating "skip this drive" but I decided to stop and didn't continue, I'm not sure what does that mean, "skip?" would I loose space on the disk?. Well I'm not making two questions on one thread, just discarding the options to have a better RT, and updating to Windows 10 still doesn't feel safe to me. If anyone could share some experiences, freedom to install some additional apps, better browsing or performance, I will be happy to read.
Thanks in advance.
I cannot provide any assistance but I want to add that I am too on the same road. I have a functional RT and wouldn't mind meeting it up but I would like to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately, like you said, the info is incomplete or outdated.
If anyone has knowledge of the complete requirements to put a Windows 10 on this, or make it otherwise more useful again, it would be highly appreciated.
Danacy said:
I cannot provide any assistance but I want to add that I am too on the same road. I have a functional RT and wouldn't mind meeting it up but I would like to have a fighting chance. Unfortunately, like you said, the info is incomplete or outdated.
If anyone has knowledge of the complete requirements to put a Windows 10 on this, or make it otherwise more useful again, it would be highly appreciated.
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Exactly. I've seen great effort from old forum members over this, but I guess many are retired and others are tired of talking about the topic, and yes, many bits of info are missing or outdated, some threads are impossible to follow, specially now after the forum upgrade (removing the dead messages).
Regarding upgrading to Windows 10, you can check here
and here:
How to install Windows 10 on the Surface RT - Alexenferman
www.alexenferman.com
Beware, it might not work and as stated by the author: you could end up with a bricked device.
There are lots stating they could do it and now have Windows 10 on their Surface RT. There is even a guy right now selling one locally already with W10 (but way too expensive). Just as this topic on installing stuff, I also found the same in regard to W10: lots of messages but little meat, and rarely a detailed or serious report on how it went, while there are also reports of bricked and failed devices.
This might be of your interest:
Being that said... I can tell you I tried, but it didn't work, my story was posted here:
Windows 10 on Surface RT working (edited thread)
Read carefully, this is about the installation of Windows 10 ARM32 on the Surface RT1. Previously tried the Elektrohax tutorial (video on youtube and also posted at Alexenferman.com) but I was unlucky on my attempts. This is the mentioned...
forum.xda-developers.com
BUT... I got lucky, my device is not bricked and I managed to install and keep the patched version of Windows 8.1 for the RT, I have that one now, applied the patches just as if I was going to install again Windows 10, but I didn't, it remains as it is in that step.
What I have now is the same device with a different W8.1 RT, more space, everything works, and I can run ported apps (I now have Paint.Net, Filezilla and others). I still don't have a better internet exprience but I like things as they are right now. The speed of W8.1 RT with the extension of new apps.
Perhaps this is helpful to you, of perhaps you get to overcome the obstacles I found and get W10 on your device, good luck, whatever happens: confirm, this is useful to new people trying.
Updated: it works, finally got W10 installed based on the video tutorial and the steps described at Alexen Ferman website. Some details here:
Windows 10 on Surface RT working (edited thread)
Read carefully, this is about the installation of Windows 10 ARM32 on the Surface RT1. Previously tried the Elektrohax tutorial (video on youtube and also posted at Alexenferman.com) but I was unlucky on my attempts. This is the mentioned...
forum.xda-developers.com
Good luck.
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So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
Blue6IX said:
So in this thread it tells you how to install pc operating systems like windows and linux on the Evo 3D.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1459153
This, is freaking awesome. This one is a big breakthrough.
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Here is the thread in the Nook Color forums for ubuntu on the device:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1055954
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These two threads are native installs, not using some client to access the installation, the device itself is the client as it should be.
This is not some chrooted virtual OS simulation, but the real deal installed to the device.
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In the back of my mind i've wanted to play with ubuntu installed on the MT4GS, but not a virtual installation I want it installed and running on the device natively.
I definitely don't have the time to do this and a lot i'm trying to do around here even if I wasn't in my busy season for work.
Dropping this information so I can find it later when I do get to trying to get ubuntu (and now windows XP looks like a possibility) installed on this device.
If anyone else feels like looking into this, here's a good place to start. If anyone comes across any other projects that are the real deal and not virtual installs please post links here.
Have fun!
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Regardless of what impression you may have, it is ABSOLUTELY IMPOSSIBLE to run MSWin on ARM hardware natively. The reason for this is that MSWin is x86 and ARM is... ARM. The approach used in the first link is to use BOCHS (pronounced "Box"), which is a VIRTUAL HARDWARE EMULATOR. It requires a host operating system to be functioning in the background, in this case Linux.
As for Ubuntu... well sure. No problem. Its Linux and the phone runs Linux. Not that big of a stretch to replace the Android parts with GNU.
Note that NONE of this is any kind of "great breakthrough". Bochs has been around for a VERY long time. First OPEN SOURCED in early 2000. Yeah, 12 years ago. As for Ubuntu... well I suppose that the main reason that most people aren't making a native android replacement out of ubuntu, is that not many people are all that interested in it. Cute in theory, but not practical.
What would be a more worthy project would be to upgrade android to GNU libraries and utilities. This would afford us an actually USEFUL balance between the two. Also the ability to run X *through* android without having to do stupid things like VNC. Have the proper interface ***AS AN ANDROID APPLICATION***, leaving Android to work (i.e., phone calls, etc.) while simultaneously offering the standard Linux applications.
My thought though, is that this is becoming less and less important. Firefox is on Android now, the Document foundation has announced LibreOffice for Android -- supposed to be by late 2012 to early 2013... GIMP has no place on Android... That certainly covers the basics.
Appreciate the post. I didn't have time to dig into it too deeply, so took it at face value for the impression I got. Happened to come across it in passing and didn't want to lose track of something vital to the future dev of a project like this on the doubleshot. (but definitely this doesn't belong in the dev section at this time - just clutter there.)
I was hoping people would add to it, especially the way you have, who had more of an understanding of what's going on there - I didn't realize that it was a virtual environment for the windows stuff, but it did seem to good to be true.
Even if no one responded I figured the thread would get pushed down out of the way, but still be here when I got the time to come back to it.
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My reason for running native linux on the device itself is to be able to use the Android SDK and tools without needing a computer to do so. I have 2 of these phones and a Nook Color. The NC has USB host support, so I could plug the doubleshot into it without frying either device. (yes, i'm blending android and linux concepts here - but usb host support in android shows that it's capable of doing it)
Even from one doubleshot to the other I could use wifi adb for a lot of stuff without plugging them into each other through USB and frying the phones. So that would be a victory as well.
The lack of a hardware charging circuit in the doubleshot makes the worry of frying the phones a big deal, power transfer through USB is a big hurdle to jump in management.
Beyond that - the doubleshot is powerful enough on hardware specs to be able to compile a kernel, but that's not gonna happen through a virtual linux install because the overhead is too much. A native install might just be able to do it though. Won't know until I try, but it's worth the work to get to the point of trying, even if it doesn't work out.
The Nook Color probably won't be able to compile a kernel - it's asking too much from a device not really able to handle that.
Getting what I mentioned above to work would mean I could do all my dev work with what fits in my pocket, and let me keep working wherever I am.
I do like the idea of an app to work with this through Android itself - but I don't see how I could use the SDk and variety of user-created tools without a native linux install. Worth pursuing either way though.
If anyone has anything to add, i'd be welcome to hear it. Just understand this is not a project i'm working on or actively pursuing right now - but fully intend to down the line.
Actually blue. There is a thread somewhere that has a step by step on installing ubuntu on gingerbread. I meant to add it when I added the backtrack link. For some reason I didn't, I probably forgot, I actually think the link for it is in the backtrack thread in the sticky.
If I do find it ill let you know.
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Having been registered with XDA for a wee while now, I have been mystified at how many rooting tools are provided as windows only tools and hundreds of thousands of people are hampered at every point due to driver issues on their lowly windows systems.
I have been trying to follow the following thread to root a chinese clone and have never beenb successful in getting a full compliment of windows drivers for this phone, but when I plug it into my Linux system the phone is correctly loaded and identified within 1/10 of a second.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1886460
I don't have enough posts to ask questions in the developers threads, so if anybody reads this, can you please ask the post originator if he/she can bring back the Linux version of the script, last recorded as at v18 because I have no way of getting anything other than the latest v25 Windblows only version which is totally useless to me because I will not tolerate such entry level low grade rubbish from Microsoft on my hard disk platters.
We have to remember that Android phones run a Linux Kernel and are therefore a Linux device, so before anybody flames me for the method in which I describe the redmond rubbish, consider that you are already using and in love with Linux on your device, and you really should try it on your Desktop, who knows, you might even just toss out the promiscuous virus prone, sluggish and poorly designed bloatware your real computer is infected with. For a better experience, try Mint, it's much more refreshing than Ubuntu
Hmm, no love for newbies here, even those with something to contribute?
First off, it is silly that I cannot post a reply straight into the thread, and have to create a new thread in an unrelated area of the forums, as I am a new user (or have less than 10 posts).
Ok, as regards the Windows RT and lock down of the Desktop Applications development, how do the internal programs get past this block? As per many other comments it would appear that Windows RT is a recompilation of Windows 8 and has many like for like .dll's, etc. If the Office 2013 suite can run under the desktop, is it because Microsoft has signed the app with a certificate that is not available to other developers? Does this mean that under the previous EU ruling they are breaching some law in that they are using resources to give themselves an advantage that other developers cannot take advantage of?
I think the only reason they have locked down Windows RT like this is so that this cheap OS does not eat into their regular Windows 8 sales. Certainly I bought a Windows RT device because it is more compatible with my work habits (due to Office 2013) than the Android and iPads I have used in the past. If I could easily use tools like PuTTY, then there would be little reason for me to use a normal laptop or other device.
I doubt Microsoft really watches these discussions in any serious way, but one of the key reasons I chose Windows RT over Android and iPad is because when I need the flexibility of many windows open at the same time and side by side I can do that, but when I want the uncluttered quick environment then New UI does that as well.
Samsung, with Android, is starting to allow a couple apps together, but try to run an Excel Spreadsheet and read your banking web site at the same time to transpose the figures into your budgeting file, and iPad/Android are tedious but Windows RT is a breeze, it is what Windows does best. Microsoft should understand that apart from everything else they do, they provide an OS and should let developers get the most out of that OS, just like Android and iPad developers can push those OS's.
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What's more awesome is that new users can't post outside links either. This might be of interest to you www[dot]makeuseof[dot]com/tag/how-to-jailbreak-your-windows-rt-device-and-run-unapproved-desktop-software/
Thanks for the link
My post came as a result of researching the Jail Break idea, I had not seen that page yet. I downloaded the patch and it worked very well. Pity it does not detail why the program goes to the internet the first time it is run, but I assume it is to get the certificate?
Seems like most posters are really happy to have PuTTY working (which is exactly what I wanted). Is it hard to create a New UI App?, maybe someone just needs to compile PuTTY as a New UI app as a terminal emulator should be pretty straight forward.
While I understand that new Intel chips are just around the corner, Surface RT is only $400.00 (64Gb, Touch keyboard) so pretty cheap, so being able to sit on the couch and browse emails, internet and also manage my Linux boxes is really good.
I can do the same thing on my Android TAB, but it is tedious changing screens all the time. New UI has the same problem, always flicking between all the programs. This is what Windows does best, so don't understand why MS would take away from that tried and true model, except they are probably trying to protect their full Windows 8 investment. Instead what they will find is the Windows RT dies a quick death and that is a wasted investment (if that happens they should have just made a New UI only version and got Office to work within that environment if Office is the main reason for the Desktop in Windows RT).
hello guys.
first sorry for my bad English. I'm using a translator
I found a very advantageous offer to buy surtage2 rt 32gb
I have everything android tablet is that smartphone but it is a long time I wanted to try a Win8 tablet
1) recommended it to me again or is it old?
2) it is possible to win pro 8.1?
3) it is possible to install exe files?
4) with the Android system I find all the app to download even with the various alternative market .... with Win8 there are market "alternative"? for the paid app ???
for now, thanks to all
1) Depends *entirely* on what you're looking to use it for. They're good for stuff like Office (though you'll want the keyboard) and web browsing (full browser, including Flashplayer and dev tools!), plus most of the common tablet-y stuff (Netflix, ebooks, etc.). They are modestly hackable (you can "get root" trivially - just a UAC prompt - but you can't modify the kernel or bootloader in any meaningful way at this time). The app store is a lot smaller than for Android, so more esoteric stuff is likely to be missing.
2) No. (Really?? It's an ARM processor, not x86; this should be obvious...). Search before posting!
3) Other than Microsoft-signed ones, not until a jailbreak for RT 8.1 comes out. No idea when that will be, though it's in development. Even then, only ARM or .NET binaries will work (there's a project to support x86 ones through dynamic retranslation, but it was never completed).
4) Go away, filthy pirate; we don't like your kind here. Read the bloody forum rules before you come back, too. $DEITY, 6 years on this forum and you don't know that yet? This is a *developer* forum, a lot of us publish stuff on the store... I guess I shouldn't expect better of somebody with a less than 1 in 200 ratio of posts to thanks, though. (SIX YEARS and 600 posts and you don't know that??)
It is possible to get 3 different phones with ubuntu phone now, none of them too expensive.
good.
i wonder what people's experience or informed opinion is?
ubuntu is pushing "convergence", which basically means that one operating system runs on all devices, that i can use my smartphone as a computer...
how far along is it?
now there's loads of blog articles and reviews out there, but most of them focus on comparing ubuntu phone (UP from now on) to other phone OSs - with their fully grown app universe. of course UP comes up short!
but that's not what i'm interested in. OS stability, and the standard browsing, music and video, and of course phone and sms is good enough for me.
but, i want the same freedom i have with my linux desktop install: to Do Things.
(my most important project is still to get a usable connection to the data & media stored on my kitchenserver.)
the day before yesterday i had a chat with someone on #ubuntu-phone - i think it was a dev.
i asked if i can use & upgrade it like any normal ubuntu/debian-based, install apps and utilities and so on.
basically he said, gui apps are difficult because UP uses a different gui model than Xorg, but basically yes, but you loose you guarantee that OTA (over the air) updates will work. but they should, regardless.
yesterday i was browsing the ubuntu phone section on ubuntu forums; of course people only post if something doesn't work - it looks like a normal and healthy distro forum to me.
OTA updates come in almost daily, i gather. very lively development.
there was, however, a lot of familiar discussions about how to get some app or other working; familiar from my 2 android phones: convoluted and fragile solutions, like installing ubuntu desktop in a chroot.
UP even recommends adb (android debug bridge?) as the only way to access the phone from your computer. or the standard mtp connection. so it's the same **** as everywhere.
the other aspect is this:
- ok, android is big, evil google, but there's a few established solutions around to use it without an account, use f-droid instead of play store, well documented security hacks and so on.
- UP certainly isn't the white knight here, but if not google, what do they use, is it really "better" than google and can i opt out easily?
yes, i am seriously considering to buy a UP phone, as soon as i get the feeling that it is an improvement freedom and security wise.
i wonder what people's experience or informed opinion is?
bump
...just a gentle one before the weekend ends.
i'd love to get some answers...