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[Q] Moto G (Music Edition) vs S4 Mini Dual

Hi all,
Currently I have an Y Duos (S6102GT) and, generally speaking, it serves me well, however some things bother me about it:
- The camera suck
- Internal Storage is too small
- The size of the screen
I play mostly casual games, just for passing the time, he is a limited phone after all, however with more power I think I would play more.
My doubt now is which new phone I should choose, between Moto G Music Edition (Colors already sold up on brazil), or the S4 Mini.
I know S4 mini beats Moto G on almost every aspect of comparison, which could lead it to a better utility velue, howevar it's price is considerably higher.
Moto G on the other hand, has a bigger screen (and screen quality ????), comes with Android closer to the pure version, and in that case still comes with a headphone from Solrepublic
So, which one do you think it's best for me?
PS: I'm accepting other offers as well, but it needs to be dual chip.

I think you are wrong. Moto G beats almost every aspect of S4 mini. Only plus of Samsung: SD card and maybe the camera.
But as ever, you should touch both devices with your own hands.

shaftenberg said:
I think you are wrong. Moto G beats almost every aspect of S4 mini. Only plus of Samsung: SD card and maybe the camera.
But as ever, you should touch both devices with your own hands.
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But doesn't S4 mini have a 1.7GHz dual core and 1.5GB RAM and Moto G on the other hand has a 1.2GHz quad core and 1GB RAM ?
I think in that case that S4 mini is best on the technical side (and if not, please let me know because that's the only reason for me to still consider the S4 mini )

m1thr4nd1r said:
But doesn't S4 mini have a 1.7GHz dual core and 1.5GB RAM and Moto G on the other hand has a 1.2GHz quad core and 1GB RAM ?
I think in that case that S4 mini is best on the technical side (and if not, please let me know because that's the only reason for me to still consider the S4 mini )
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I choosed the Moto G, i had the same through. Shop allowed me to test both, and i kinda found the Moto G much smoother in many things. Only positive was the Camera of the S4 Mini, Pictures where a tad better.

m1thr4nd1r said:
But doesn't S4 mini have a 1.7GHz dual core and 1.5GB RAM and Moto G on the other hand has a 1.2GHz quad core and 1GB RAM ?
I think in that case that S4 mini is best on the technical side (and if not, please let me know because that's the only reason for me to still consider the S4 mini )
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The Moto G is by far the most responsive phone I've used. That might not say much, try it yourself, you'll understand

theoneofgod said:
The Moto G is by far the most responsive phone I've used. That might not say much, try it yourself, you'll understand
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If I wait for the moto G to get here I will lose the black friday deal

S4 mini has LTE. The G has only hspa+ 21 (nexus 4 has hspa+ 42). Also S4 mini is significantly (imho) smaller in length, width, thickness, and weight. Go here to compare. Click "VIEW LAYERED"
I don't have either phone, but I would say its IMPOSSIBLE for me to go with a screen that is under 300 ppi, hence the G would be it for me between the two.

[Q] [HELP] Choosing a device

Hello everybody that comes across this post, i made this thread because i have one difficult decision this christmas. Choosing a phone.
I have a 270 dollar budget but i cant buy on a contract as i live in portugal and most phones here are super expensive.
I have two devices in mind, in wich one of those i will list my favorite and least favorite things about them. I will also mention what i am looking for in a device.
What im looking for:
Great browsing performance ( buttery smooth )
Good batery life
A good display
A good set of fun features like gestures, etc
Mediocre gaming performance
I dont care about the camera as long as it has one
I am considering the Moto G, and the HDC Galaxy Note 3 Max n9006 (a clone, but a very good one)
Moto G - 185eur
Things i like about the moto g
Battery life
Screen resolution
Snapdragon 400 pro (quadcore 1.2ghz)
Getting kitkat soon
Things i dislike about the moto g
Screen size (4.5'' inches seems to small for me , 5.2 is my perfect size)
Huge black bezel in the bottom makes it look so ugly
On screen buttons
Lack of fun features
No expandable storage
HDC Galaxy Note 3 Max N9006 - 150Eur
Im just going to list the specs so you can have an idea
Exacly a 1:1 replica with the original on the outside , including cover , battery and s-pen
MTK6589 quadcore clocked at 1.2ghz
5.7'' screen with a 720p resolution
Fully functioning S-PEN
1GB of ram
Air view, multi-window, air gestures working.
Touchwiz
What i like about it:
Screen size (might be a little to big but ok)
Fun features
Removable battery ( exchangable with original one )
Great for browsing
Design looks phenomenal
Expandable storage
What i dislike about it:
Non official phone
No full safety if the phone comes through customs without huge tax payment
No updates (4.4 etc..)
No assured good battery life
THANKS EVERYONE!

Well, if I were you I would go for the Moto G. But if you really want a bigger display and want official updates and supported firmwares, I recommend you save up some money and buy the actual Note 3. Other than that, the Moto G is perfect!

TheUnknownThing said:
Well, if I were you I would go for the Moto G. But if you really want a bigger display and want official updates and supported firmwares, I recommend you save up some money and buy the actual Note 3. Other than that, the Moto G is perfect!
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Its not that easy because in portugal the note 3 retails for 800 euros

xicopowa said:
Its not that easy because in portugal the note 3 retails for 800 euros
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Actually, I just had a look at the Note 3 Replica, and to be honest.. It looks pretty good! For 150 euros, you cant really beat that!
I found a good deal too, Link to ebay
I was wrong about knockoff phones.. hehe.

TheUnknownThing said:
Actually, I just had a look at the Note 3 Replica, and to be honest.. It looks pretty good! For 150 euros, you cant really beat that!
I found a good deal too, Link to ebay
I was wrong about knockoff phones.. hehe.
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Check this video out: its this one i want to buy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0yw46L7FRY

xicopowa said:
Check this video out: its this one i want to buy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0yw46L7FRY
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This phone kills the moto g! Looks exact same copy as the Note 3. Are you thinking about buying it?

TheUnknownThing said:
This phone kills the moto g! Looks exact same copy as the Note 3. Are you thinking about buying it?
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Yes, me and a couple of buddys who already have it have been talking over here http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2554192&page

Help choose a new Chinese Phone..

I'm currently using a Nexus 5, on stock android 5.1. I'm starting to have a few problems with it, the GPS is slow at best, battery life just gets me through the day, and i'm running low on space at 16Gb.
In my job I have been given a Windows phone for work, What i'd like to do is buy a Dual-Sim device so I can go back to carrying 1 device. I've been looking around and been quite impressed with the chinese offerings. The top phone on my list are the -
Ulefone Touch Be 2
Elephone P8000 (unable to post links)
So far, The features i'm looking for are dual sim (obviously) good camera, expandable storage & good GPS.
There are so many phones to choose from these days im just not sure what to choose.
Thanks In advance.

What model Huawei?

You can try one plus two 64gb.
Its the best. 25,000 rs. Better than nexus
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I would really like that but its out of my budget.

Try one plus one. Nw u can buy for 15000-18000 rs range.
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it has to be optimized!
Spardha said:
I'm currently using a Nexus 5, on stock android 5.1. I'm starting to have a few problems with it, the GPS is slow at best, battery life just gets me through the day, and i'm running low on space at 16Gb.
In my job I have been given a Windows phone for work, What i'd like to do is buy a Dual-Sim device so I can go back to carrying 1 device. I've been looking around and been quite impressed with the chinese offerings. The top phone on my list are the -
Ulefone Touch Be 2
Elephone P8000 (unable to post links)
So far, The features i'm looking for are dual sim (obviously) good camera, expandable storage & good GPS.
There are so many phones to choose from these days im just not sure what to choose.
Thanks In advance.
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Before you buy a Ulefone, Elephone, Umi ... or any of these cheap Chinese brands. Please be aware that they do not optimize their Android OS!
This means, you may get worse performance as you had on your Nexus 5. I would say before you buy one of these brands, stick to your old Nexus 5.
If you want a good quality phone with optimized Android Rom on it, that offers good performance with a pretty good camera.
Get one of the following barnds only!
Oppo
Huawei
Xiaomi
Meizu
What is your budged btw? If a good camera is important to you, really stay away of not optimized Anrdoid!
All other small Chinese brands, put truly crappy not optimized Android on their devices!

TheUltrametricSpace said:
Before you buy a Ulefone, Elephone, Umi ... or any of these cheap Chinese brands. Please be aware that they do not optimize their Android OS!
This means, you may get worse performance as you had on your Nexus 5. I would say before you buy one of these brands, stick to your old Nexus 5.
If you want a good quality phone with optimized Android Rom on it, that offers good performance with a pretty good camera.
Get one of the following barnds only!
Oppo
Huawei
Xiaomi
Meizu
What is your budged btw? If a good camera is important to you, really stay away of not optimized Anrdoid!
All other small Chinese brands, put truly crappy not optimized Android on their devices!
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Thanks for the info, I'm looking at about $200 - $250 Max.
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Spardha said:
Thanks for the info, I'm looking at about $200 - $250 Max.
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That's a good price range, to start from.
You could check out the best prices if you want to at: kimovil . com
within this price range you could get, all of the following are dual sim:
Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 (only oppomart has it in stock right now) ~150$
Xaomi Mi4i ~220$
Asus ZenFone 2 ZE551ML ~200$
Asus ZenFone 2 ZE551ML ~260$
Meizu M2 Note 16GB ~150$
Huawei P8 Lite ~250$
I didn't list the following brand, but it's still a decent device:
Jiayu S3 (3GB version) ~180$
ZTE Nubia Z9 mini ~250$
The listed phones are just examples. All of them have their own downs and ups.
Meizu and Xiaomi are heavy skinned Android phones, they might remind you to iOS. I love my Xiaomi Mi4i, but it´s not for everyone.
I do assume that after using the true stock Android of your Nexus 5, you might want to stick to a phone that gets at least to close to stock Android.
So if you want the normal Android, you would have to go for the Asus Zenfone or the Huawei P8 Lite.
The Asus is more powerful but might not get an update, because it features an Intel SoC. The Huawei on the other hand has a weak SoC compared to the ASUS Zenfone 2.
It comes down to what you prefer, what would you use the phone for?
Do you want stock Android, do you want a phone that is at least as good as your Nexus 5 is, or are you willing to compromise just to have dual sim phone?
Within the price range of 200$ to 250$ there is a lot of good stuff to choose from.

That's some great info, thanks for taking the time to help me out. I was hoping someone in the know would be able to shed some light on this for me. I've been looking for a few weeks.
The idea is to replace my current personnel Nexus 5 and works Windows Lumia 635 (Rubbish), so thats what the Dual Sim is needed for. Then I like to use it to take photos on when I'm out with family and travelling for work, Im reasonably satisfied with the Nexus's camera so I'm not looking for a DSLR replacement but something competent. Then when I travel I use it for GPS to get around in Europe and the US. Next is to play music in the car so expandable storage for music and apps. 4G connectivity. Then for work emails etc. i think thats it really.

regarding good GPS signal you would have to stay to Qualcomm or Intel SoC's, those devices paired with a good brand are a save call.
For what you do the Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 16GB chinese Version with dual sim and micro SD Card should be good enough. It's a big 5.5 inch phone.
It has the MIUI7 on it, it will be a completely different Android experience. There are no reviews about the GPS quality and the phone uses a fast MTK SoC, it is hard to say how good it is, usually Xiaomi places really good antennas in their phone, but as of now there is no review of it.
The battery is average ~3000mhA thing, paired with the Octa Core it will last for a day and maybe a bit more, should be better than the Nexus 5.
Advantage: it's cheap, it's Xiaomi so great quality with great support.
Downside: it has MIUI7 on it a very heavy Android modification.
You could get it for about 150$ from many different pages or straight from oppomart a bit more expensive.
The Asus Zenfone both version the 2GB/4GB is really good specification wise. The 4GB Ram version is just overkill, in my opinion.
The build quality is good, the performance is great. The only downside would be the battery life and the camera, neither is horrible bad.
GPS should be fine.
You could get the 2GB Version from pandawill for 210$ and the 4GB is at gerabest for 240$
Worth mentioning, not all dual sim phones support the full speed on both slots, as of now only the Xiaomi Mi4i has 4G net on both sim card slots!
The Redmi Note 2 and the Asus Zenfone 2 are 5.5" devices
If you want a pretty nice powerful device without a micro SD card extension, at 5" you could consider to get the Xiaomi Mi4i, the only downside of it is that a optical camera stabilization is missing. I don't see this as a problem, as I do make loads of pictures and it rarely bothers me, but it is worth to be mentioned.

I'm pretty sure i looked at the Redmi Note 2 previously, but didn't think it support expandable storage so dismissed it.
I understand most only support 4G on 1 sim this is fine. Also the size of 5.5 although is a little bigger than the Nexus I'm fine with it but would be the limit.
I also looked at the Zenphone but the camera put me off.

Spardha said:
I'm pretty sure i looked at the Redmi Note 2 previously, but didn't think it support expandable storage so dismissed it.
I understand most only support 4G on 1 sim this is fine. Also the size of 5.5 although is a little bigger than the Nexus I'm fine with it but would be the limit.
I also looked at the Zenphone but the camera put me off.
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The Chinese 16GB Version has a microSD extension slot you just have to find one. I read on gearbest that they sell this version with 16GB and microSD slot, but it's hard to say if they provide the right information.
If you don't need the extra performance, the Zenfone might be the wrong phone.
You could also consider the Jiayu S3 3GB Version (or Jiayu S3 Advanced), some people like the phone! It is available for about 180$
It's a really good all-rounder with amazing GPS and a pretty good camera
Search on youtube for a review of the Jiayu S3 by ITXtutor, it should cover all you want to know about the phone.

If i could push the budget to $300 what could you recommend? Im from the UK too.
Meizu MX5? Just found out no SD and the 32gb is closer to $400..

Spardha said:
If i could push the budget to $300 what could you recommend? Im from the UK too.
Meizu MX5? Just found out no SD and the 32gb is closer to $400..
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Haha yeah I would have recommended the MX5, I had the MX4 Pro for a bit and that was an awesome phone! But yeah the 32GB Version retails for about 390$
The Lenovo Vibe Shot Z90, has only a SD 615, an awesome camera dual Sim and a SD Card Slot. the 32GB is around 300$.
At leats in my Xiaomi Mi4i I have no trouble with this SoC, in daily use it doesn't get hot or anything, I am not a gamer so it's a great SoC for my needs.
The Huawei P8 Lite ships with the same SoC for 240$, it's worth a thought too. I would probably go for this one. The only downside I know about is the screen brightness, it could be better and I am not sure if it has Android 5 by now.

TheUltrametricSpace said:
Haha yeah I would have recommended the MX5, I had the MX4 Pro for a bit and that was an awesome phone! But yeah the 32GB Version retails for about 390$
The Lenovo Vibe Shot Z90, has only a SD 615, an awesome camera dual Sim and a SD Card Slot. the 32GB is around 300$.
At leats in my Xiaomi Mi4i I have no trouble with this SoC, in daily use it doesn't get hot or anything, I am not a gamer so it's a great SoC for my needs.
The Huawei P8 Lite ships with the same SoC for 240$, it's worth a thought too. I would probably go for this one. The only downside I know about is the screen brightness, it could be better and I am not sure if it has Android 5 by now.
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Could you recommend where to purchase the Lenovo Vibe from? its not on oppomart.

Ive been looking at the one+two and i think that is the phone i really want.. the OS is more what I'm used to the hardware is up there, the only downside i can see would be the price for the 64gb model. Im going to see if I can purchase via my work and if need be pay some towards it.

Spardha said:
Ive been looking at the one+two and i think that is the phone i really want.. the OS is more what I'm used to the hardware is up there, the only downside i can see would be the price for the 64gb model. Im going to see if I can purchase via my work and if need be pay some towards it.
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yes that is the best thing to do!
There are two version of the Vibe Shot the Z90-3 and Z90-7, the -7 is more expensive, but supports the right bands to be used outside of japan/china!
aliexpress would have the Z90-7 for 330$, but it's always a bit risky to buy from aliexpress

TheUltrametricSpace said:
regarding good GPS signal you would have to stay to Qualcomm or Intel SoC's, those devices paired with a good brand are a save call.
For what you do the Xiaomi Redmi Note 2 16GB chinese Version with dual sim and micro SD Card should be good enough. It's a big 5.5 inch phone.
It has the MIUI7 on it, it will be a completely different Android experience. There are no reviews about the GPS quality and the phone uses a fast MTK SoC, it is hard to say how good it is, usually Xiaomi places really good antennas in their phone, but as of now there is no review of it.
The battery is average ~3000mhA thing, paired with the Octa Core it will last for a day and maybe a bit more, should be better than the Nexus 5.
Advantage: it's cheap, it's Xiaomi so great quality with great support.
Downside: it has MIUI7 on it a very heavy Android modification.
You could get it for about 150$ from many different pages or straight from oppomart a bit more expensive.
The Asus Zenfone both version the 2GB/4GB is really good specification wise. The 4GB Ram version is just overkill, in my opinion.
The build quality is good, the performance is great. The only downside would be the battery life and the camera, neither is horrible bad.
GPS should be fine.
You could get the 2GB Version from pandawill for 210$ and the 4GB is at gerabest for 240$
Worth mentioning, not all dual sim phones support the full speed on both slots, as of now only the Xiaomi Mi4i has 4G net on both sim card slots!
The Redmi Note 2 and the Asus Zenfone 2 are 5.5" devices
If you want a pretty nice powerful device without a micro SD card extension, at 5" you could consider to get the Xiaomi Mi4i, the only downside of it is that a optical camera stabilization is missing. I don't see this as a problem, as I do make loads of pictures and it rarely bothers me, but it is worth to be mentioned.
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Can I access google play/google services on this phone if I purchase and use it in China?
I know my GF's phone cannot install google play store app (Huawei Ascend Y511).

NapoleonWilson said:
Can I access google play/google services on this phone if I purchase and use it in China?
I know my GF's phone cannot install google play store app (Huawei Ascend Y511).
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yes there are a lot of threads about this topic in the official Xiaomi MIUI Forum. Link: en.miui.com
Have a look there and you will find all you need to know
If they release the device globally or in India, it will get a ROM with google installed per default. Xiaomi makes no difference between their devices.
Rom download page: http://en.miui.com/download
Like I have the Indian/global version of the Xiaomi Mi4i and can install the official Chinese ROM or the global ROM, as I like.

Would you recommend any 5inch phones in the $150 dollar region?
5.5 is just a little too big for me.

Keep G Flex 2 H955 or buy Leeco Le 2 PRO?

Hi guys!
My g flex 2 got in a bootloop with 1006 error so I took it to warranty.
I've read on the G4 forums that they replaced or gave their money back cuz LG couldn't fix that error.
So I was wondering....should I buy Leeco Le 2 Pro if I get my money back or just stick with H955?
I know that the Cortex A72s on the Helio x20 are more powerful than SD810,but on the other hand Mali T880MP4 is much weaker than 430.
Also,I've got lucky and my g flex had a good display,without yellow spots,but it heated up like hell when gaming(or using gps) so I had to root and use the custom thermal config file.This issue has been allegedly fixed on 6.0.1(I didn't get to upgrade mine),but they said the same thing for 5.1.1...and now I don't know what to believe.
Besides that,I've seen that the IMX 135 on our g flex is very similar to the IMX 230 on leeco,even though the latter has 21 mpx.
I don't really care about the fingerprint sensor,it is nice to have but it seems more of a gimmick to me,the knock code can do the job as well.
Furthermore,there is 2gb of LPDDR4 on g flex,while leeco has 4gb of LPDDR3.Would that make a noticeable upgrade?(I'm not a real multitasker,I ask in terms of general speed)
So...what do you recommend me? Are the two A72 really worth it or should I keep my g flex?
Sorry for the long post
I'm looking forward to your replies.

@pungasul1
hi i got my self a xiaomi redmi note 3 pro (the s650 version) i just bought it not send yet
i'm giving up on the lg flex 2... no unlocked bootloader not custom roms...
and ugly ass screen p-oled it's very granular on grey spots u see alot of wierd points. it's very ugly.
and dont go for a mediatek.... it works for basic but its nothing special.
go for a xiaomi redmi note 3 pro
the snapdragon 650 is almost as good as the s810 that's in the flex2
redmi note 3 ahd 3gb ram and 32gb storage with sd card support
5.5" full hd. and a 4000mah battery and finger print scanner
the lg flex 2 is okay but 2gb ram and 16gb internal is not that great.
the full hd screen is not the best wierd poled. but people love the curved phone they are al curious. other then that. nothing special.
i still prefer tu use my lg g3 2gb 16gb with a good custom rom. i get more battery then on the flex2, it's my 2nd that just lays at home i use it for all the gta games. i got it for 168 euro new. trying to sell it now... for a bit more.
the xiaomi is 155euro on aliexpress. that's really a steal
im selling the flex 2 it's a fun phone but not that good it's left behind... just let the flex 2 go. let it go let it go

Good luck with warranty. Also MIUI is probably the heaviest android UI ever made, i had mi4c and it was struggling with 3GB RAM. (after boot with 0 apps i had like 500mb free RAM), pretty amazing.. :good:
Audio quality was so bad i sold it within a week, they are using cheap audio chips i had constant buzzing using headphones.
Also Xiaomi is locking bootloaders aswell, you want custom roms for Redmi 3? It's pretty much MIUI or CM.

Sell the LG, but don't buy that phone.

But what other options do I have in this price range??
The G4 is pricier than I can afford and frankly it doesn't impress me with that SD808.
I was thinking about that leeco because the camera is better than in our g flex,and also has manual mode,+4k hdr.
I had a very pleasant experience with my g flex(besides the overheating) but I'm afraid that it will be a dead device by next year(As seen on G Flex 1).Moreover,I don't see it holding it up too much with only 2gb of ram,be it DDR4.
Nexus 5x is not an option because of the lack of internal memory,weaker cpu and weaker camera.
So? Any other ideas? Pros?Cons?

Check Moto X Play, Xperia Z3, Huawei P8, Meizu MX5.

k3lcior said:
Good luck with warranty. Also MIUI is probably the heaviest android UI ever made, i had mi4c and it was struggling with 3GB RAM. (after boot with 0 apps i had like 500mb free RAM), pretty amazing.. :good:
Audio quality was so bad i sold it within a week, they are using cheap audio chips i had constant buzzing using headphones.
Also Xiaomi is locking bootloaders aswell, you want custom roms for Redmi 3? It's pretty much MIUI or CM.
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redmi note 3 has unlocked bootlaoder. but they lock it so aliexpress sellers don't put malware on it. you can unlock it your self in 5min (after asking a unlock code thing)
cm13 aosp aokp mokee rom, and what every
miui is not my favorite. used it a long time ago on my lg optimus 2x.
yeah you need to tweak it. it doesnt use the 3gb ram well. just put the background limit to standard and more thing
warranty? i dont know that word lol sure i bought the flex 2 new from amazon a 168euro but i dont give a fùck a bout warrenty really.
audio seems okay a bit mixed reviews soem say speaker and call volume is to low other see it's good.
dont use earphone use bluetooth for 60% of the time.
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pungasul1 said:
But what other options do I have in this price range??
The G4 is pricier than I can afford and frankly it doesn't impress me with that SD808.
I was thinking about that leeco because the camera is better than in our g flex,and also has manual mode,+4k hdr.
I had a very pleasant experience with my g flex(besides the overheating) but I'm afraid that it will be a dead device by next year(As seen on G Flex 1).Moreover,I don't see it holding it up too much with only 2gb of ram,be it DDR4.
Nexus 5x is not an option because of the lack of internal memory,weaker cpu and weaker camera.
So? Any other ideas? Pros?Cons?
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letv eco1 x800 is also for a cheap price 160euro
but has a s810 also but 4gb ram
but i prefer a phone with custom roms like the xiaomi. (that why i'm giving up on the lg flex2 never could use it as my general phone it's just my 2nd it's not good enough to be for every day use it find it's faster then my lg g3 but yeah the flex 2 with no custom roms killed it really for me)
i really can't recommand any mediatek phones, i dont hate them buy yeah there battery life isn't that great and no optimazation at all like 0... and not custom roms

Unfortunately,in my country(Romania) I can't buy x800 as it cannot be found anywhere.
So the only option remains le 2 pro.I just can't figure it out.
I saw that the the difference between the cameras(back) isn't big at all,but Leeco's UI is indeed much smoother.It is so fast.
To keep it short,the only thing that stops me to buy that phone is the gpu.Mali T880MP4 is so much weaker than 430 and I'm afraid not to affect general usage or gaming(if android is ever getting any nice game)

pungasul1 said:
Unfortunately,in my country(Romania) I can't buy x800 as it cannot be found anywhere.
So the only option remains le 2 pro.I just can't figure it out.
I saw that the the difference between the cameras(back) isn't big at all,but Leeco's UI is indeed much smoother.It is so fast.
To keep it short,the only thing that stops me to buy that phone is the gpu.Mali T880MP4 is so much weaker than 430 and I'm afraid not to affect general usage or gaming(if android is ever getting any nice game)
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you can't buy from aliexpress?
the letv pro 2 it's that great from what i read. camera is a really crap, seems great on paper but videos and picture arent that nice
on youtube some did a review. and both sayed camera isn't that good. after some days of usage.
i dont know i find mediatek bad. i mean i would buy it for parents or older people. like my mom has a doogee f5 with the mtk6753 and it's good for her internet facebook whatapp. but me it's not good enough.
tried a other mediatek also mtk6753 the umi touch. still hate it. and still didn't sell it can't seem to get rid of it. anyway. i love snapdragon and will keep phone with snapdragon (high end phones) cause low end i find mediatek great
anyway i wouldnt recommande keeping the flex 2. so yeah. no other options?

Not really... but if leeco's camera isn't that good then I see no reason to buy it.
And I can buy from aliexpress but I'm concerned about the warranty.Furthermore,it takes like 2 months for the phone to arrive.. so,it is a big NO!
I really like xperia z3+ but in my country it is very expensive..like 400$,compared to 275$ that i spent on the g flex..
Also,marshmallow seems great on the g flex 2 but again once it got updated to 5.1.1 many said that the overheating is gone...but it wasn't the case for me,and I updated from day one.
I am so undecided right now.
Moreover,I just can't wait for the prices to drop..or black friday as I don't have any other smartphone.Currently(until my phone comes out of warranty or I get my money back) I am using a samsung e1200 if you can believe it.

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Not really... but if leeco's camera isn't that good then I see no reason to buy it.
And I can buy from aliexpress but I'm concerned about the warranty.Furthermore,it takes like 2 months for the phone to arrive.. so,it is a big NO!
I really like xperia z3+ but in my country it is very expensive..like 400$,compared to 275$ that i spent on the g flex..
Also,marshmallow seems great on the g flex 2 but again once it got updated to 5.1.1 many said that the overheating is gone...but it wasn't the case for me,and I updated from day one.
I am so undecided right now.
Moreover,I just can't wait for the prices to drop..or black friday as I don't have any other smartphone.Currently(until my phone comes out of warranty or I get my money back) I am using a samsung e1200 if you can believe it.
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ahhahahahahaha samsung e1200 ahahh the drug dealer phone
yeah maybe wait for the sale maybe there will be a good phone.
i buy most of my **** of aliexpress. (chinees phones) anyway z3 is also a good phone. maybe htc one m8 or m9? no samsung they are to expensive. lg g4 i guess also bit to expensive.
try to look in phone stores or shops what they have for sale . maybe then try to look on the internet if you can find a cheaper deal

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ahhahahahahaha samsung e1200 ahahh the drug dealer phone
yeah maybe wait for the sale maybe there will be a good phone.
i buy most of my **** of aliexpress. (chinees phones) anyway z3 is also a good phone. maybe htc one m8 or m9? no samsung they are to expensive. lg g4 i guess also bit to expensive.
try to look in phone stores or shops what they have for sale . maybe then try to look on the internet if you can find a cheaper deal
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))))) the drug dealer phone
Thats a good one))
I may get the opportunity to buy a g4 but i don't know if I should give my 810 for 808.
I know that at the moment there are very few gpu demanding games on android and I don't even play them(I played asphalt 8 for like 4 years but then I dropped it when I realized what a bunch of greedy bastards gameloft is made of).
I am surely going to enjoy g4's camera and even display(tough I might miss the oled) but you know...here comes that pride thing.
Now i've got 810 and adreno 430,my phone is a powerhouse,almighty and I feel so good about that.But with a 418..is just meh.. ok

@pungasul1
I feel you man. But thr flex 2 is abandoned... That's sucks.. The phone is good. But every other phones has custom roms and support.
Anyway. I don't know. Just try some phones in a store.

G4 is a good looking phone and the camera is a beast, a friend of mine has it and i analized the 2 phones pretty intensive. In my opinion the G4 display is better, but for a regular user the oled looks better, i was running antutu, it was testing the 3D and our girlfriends said the flex 2 display looks better... After we ran antutu 5 times, the flex 2 scores was the same as the G4, but installing and opening apps is fastter on flex 2. I don't care to much for updates so the G Flex 2 is ok for me.

Well,its sad but i wouldnt buy G Flex 2 again,but im happy with that phone currently. If i would like to change it,i would go for Mi5 or PRO 6,those are one heck of a phones. Even P9 isnt that bad tho. But if you care for updates,get 5X or 6P,updates are guaranteed to H2 2017,so you will get Android O for sure

Xiaomi Mi4 worth getting in 2017?

I recently got my Nexus 6P (64GB) stolen and I'm thinking of getting the Mi4 since I'm on a tight budget. I'm also considering getting a Redmi 3S but it's a bit expensive compared to the Mi4 being an older device. I haven't used a custom rom ever since I used a Note 5, iPhone 6 Plus and Nexus 6P and I'm thinking of using a custom rom if I do get the Mi4. So do you guys think the Mi4 is still worth getting in 2017?

What i've heard, also camera in these new cheap ones is not as good as at launch with Sony sensor.

Snapdragon 801 seems plenty fast to me, I'm not trying to play VR games on my phone after all. Maybe some people are?
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What i've heard, also camera in these new cheap ones is not as good as at launch with Sony sensor.
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Really? That seems kind of underhanded. Do you have a source?
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Unfortunately no. The Mi4 uses a Snapdragon 801 which here: http://www.gsmarena.com/mobile_chipset_guide-review-1561p4.php does worse than many other newer lower-end chipsets. So get phones with Snapdragon 6XX for better value and future proofing
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OK, so, which one is better than the Redmi 4 at $175 (current price)?
Which one is better than a Oneplus One for under $300?
I've had a Oneplus One since shortly after they were released. Looking to upgrade eventually, once I can get something with: USB C, better battery life, better camera - for $300 or less.

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Really? That seems kind of underhanded. Do you have a source?
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https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/mi4-with-two-different-camera-sensors-sony-or-samsung.33572/
Can't find other one with Google, too much results. IIRC it was in en.miui.com.

As a mi4 user myself, I do not recommend it this day. This device is very good incase of build quality and battery life but it is outdated. You can at least go for Mi4c ( if I'm not mistaken, the one with sd 808 and 3 gigs of ram ) It will get Nougat too in summer maybe.

still works fine
it all depends on your usage of the phone. If you're looking into playing games then the SD801 might be not enough any more. If you need all LTE bands working, the MI4 wouldn't be the right thing.
cons:
-- gpu performance not up to par with current gpu's
-- different versions of the phone without LTE or only band 1,3
- only qualcomm quick charge 2.0
pro:
++ 5 inch JDI IPS screen is still top (1080p)
++ 13MP rear camera with sony sensor (IMX214 with f 1,8), not many top devices can beat that.
++ 8MP front camera with sony sensor (IMX219 with f 1,8), not many top devices can beat that.
++ build quality is top
+ 3080mAh battery is good enough
for me the best thing is the community support: you still get all sorts of custom roms including the latest nougat updates (check the MI3 forum, they are mostly working for the MI4 too).

gemmoglock said:
Unfortunately no. The Mi4 uses a Snapdragon 801 which here: http://www.gsmarena.com/mobile_chipset_guide-review-1561p4.php does worse than many other newer lower-end chipsets. So get phones with Snapdragon 6XX for better value and future proofing
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What i've heard, also camera in these new cheap ones is not as good as at launch with Sony sensor.
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Snapdragon 801 seems plenty fast to me, I'm not trying to play VR games on my phone after all. Maybe some people are?
Really? That seems kind of underhanded. Do you have a source?
OK, so, which one is better than the Redmi 4 at $175 (current price)?
Which one is better than a Oneplus One for under $300?
I've had a Oneplus One since shortly after they were released. Looking to upgrade eventually, once I can get something with: USB C, better battery life, better camera - for $300 or less.
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P.Kosunen said:
https://xiaomi.eu/community/threads/mi4-with-two-different-camera-sensors-sony-or-samsung.33572/
Can't find other one with Google, too much results. IIRC it was in en.miui.com.
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0perat0r said:
As a mi4 user myself, I do not recommend it this day. This device is very good incase of build quality and battery life but it is outdated. You can at least go for Mi4c ( if I'm not mistaken, the one with sd 808 and 3 gigs of ram ) It will get Nougat too in summer maybe.
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knoxwalles said:
it all depends on your usage of the phone. If you're looking into playing games then the SD801 might be not enough any more. If you need all LTE bands working, the MI4 wouldn't be the right thing.
cons:
-- gpu performance not up to par with current gpu's
-- different versions of the phone without LTE or only band 1,3
- only qualcomm quick charge 2.0
pro:
++ 5 inch JDI IPS screen is still top (1080p)
++ 13MP rear camera with sony sensor (IMX214 with f 1,8), not many top devices can beat that.
++ 8MP front camera with sony sensor (IMX219 with f 1,8), not many top devices can beat that.
++ build quality is top
+ 3080mAh battery is good enough
for me the best thing is the community support: you still get all sorts of custom roms including the latest nougat updates (check the MI3 forum, they are mostly working for the MI4 too).
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Sorry for the super late reply, been busy with my studies. Anyway I got myself a Redmi 4A instead due to unexpected circumstances that killed my budget (lol). I don't really play games on my phone so I guess this would do for now. I'll save up and probably get something better by the end of this year or earlier next year. Though the Redmi 4A battery life is pretty good but I do miss the large screen, stereo speakers, and camera of the 6P *sobs*