Hi ya guys,i'm not really one to bump my gums about network providers,but felt i had to put hand to keyboard and have a little rant about the shabby way tmobile have dealt with me.I upgraded last year (Feb 07) to an mda vario and my partner upgraded to a nokia7373,we have two lines on the account,my plan is flext 35,my partner has a discounted line rental where she used to only pay £3.99 a month,we said to the sales rep that make sure my partners line still qualifies for the discount,upon which we were told," fine,not a problem".it was only in april 07 that i noticed my partners line rental was £13.99 a month not £3.99.I called t mobile,explained the situation to them,and was basically told "tough,you need to go back to the shop were you got the upgrade".you see i was visiting my cancer ridden father at the time,who happens to live a 5 1/2 hour drive away,so as u can see this was not feasible.From that moment i thought aint no way will i be renewing any contract with these tossers!!!To add insult to injury,every time i connected my vario at home to my wireless network,i was being charged for it,only a couple of pounds a month because i dont use my vario at home very often.Last month i phoned them and explained this to them so they only refunded last months mobile data charges.my contract is due for renewal 09/02/08 and i have phoned their customer services to see if we can come to some arrangement in the respect that i could at least try and recoup some of my losses.Over the last year they have blatantly ripped me off to the tune of £120 in line rental and about £25 mobile data.I spoke to another customer service rep 2day and asked them that the only way i was going to renew my contract was if they put my partners line rental back down to what it was and i wanted my same flext 35 tariff plus web n walk plus and a free vario 3(Kaiser) all for £27.50 a month.obviously they said no which has prompted me to write this thread.I really feel peed off with them because we've been with them for 6 years,and feel they have no idea what customer loyalty means!!!!I may phone back and speak to another numpty in customer services to see if i can get what i want but as i say the chances are very slim!!!what they did offer me tho was a free Samsung F250 for my partner(bag of nails phone) but i would have to pay £100 for my vario 3 and would get no discount on my line rental.Is dis shabby or is dis shabbby!!!!
Also if ne 1 could give me sum advice on how to deal with arseholes,it would be gratefully received,thanks
nayga73 said:
Hi ya guys,i'm not really one to bump my gums about network providers,but felt i had to put hand to keyboard and have a little rant about the shabby way tmobile have dealt with me.I upgraded last year (Feb 07) to an mda vario and my partner upgraded to a nokia7373,we have two lines on the account,my plan is flext 35,my partner has a discounted line rental where she used to only pay £3.99 a month,we said to the sales rep that make sure my partners line still qualifies for the discount,upon which we were told," fine,not a problem".it was only in april 07 that i noticed my partners line rental was £13.99 a month not £3.99.I called t mobile,explained the situation to them,and was basically told "tough,you need to go back to the shop were you got the upgrade".you see i was visiting my cancer ridden father at the time,who happens to live a 5 1/2 hour drive away,so as u can see this was not feasible.From that moment i thought aint no way will i be renewing any contract with these tossers!!!To add insult to injury,every time i connected my vario at home to my wireless network,i was being charged for it,only a couple of pounds a month because i dont use my vario at home very often.Last month i phoned them and explained this to them so they only refunded last months mobile data charges.my contract is due for renewal 09/02/08 and i have phoned their customer services to see if we can come to some arrangement in the respect that i could at least try and recoup some of my losses.Over the last year they have blatantly ripped me off to the tune of £120 in line rental and about £25 mobile data.I spoke to another customer service rep 2day and asked them that the only way i was going to renew my contract was if they put my partners line rental back down to what it was and i wanted my same flext 35 tariff plus web n walk plus and a free vario 3(Kaiser) all for £27.50 a month.obviously they said no which has prompted me to write this thread.I really feel peed off with them because we've been with them for 6 years,and feel they have no idea what customer loyalty means!!!!I may phone back and speak to another numpty in customer services to see if i can get what i want but as i say the chances are very slim!!!what they did offer me tho was a free Samsung F250 for my partner(bag of nails phone) but i would have to pay £100 for my vario 3 and would get no discount on my line rental.Is dis shabby or is dis shabbby!!!!
Also if ne 1 could give me sum advice on how to deal with arseholes,it would be gratefully received,thanks
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I understand where you're coming from, although I think playing devil's advocate I would make a few points:
The comment about having to go back to the store, whilst unhelpful given your circumstances, is no different from that provided by Voda or O2 in my experience. The deal was made with a manager in a store, who should be able to verify this. If you the agreement in writing, then great but otherwise without proof you're relying on goodwill and a good memory.
The second question I'd ask is have you spoken to retentions about this? They are the only people who have any power in any telco. I'd recommend you start by asking for your PAC code, and keep calm. The other person won't help you if you're emotional. Bear in mind that it may take a couple of people until you get someone sympathetic (Or with a sales target to reach) so stay calm and if needs be take the PAC code and call back in a couple of days.
But please realise that call centre people have personal problems too and different personalities. You are nothing but a stat to them, not meant in a bad way, but stay calm and you will get more.
I'd like to relate a good experience I had with T-Mob Customer Services last week. I had upgraded to a MDA Vario III in November, on Flext20. With my new toy I was incurring significant data downloads so I upgraded to the Web'n'walk package over the phone in December. When my January bill came, I found they'd not applied the Web'n'walk option and had charged me over £100 for just my data. I called and they couldn't find a record of my original call to upgrade to WnW on their system. I didn't have any evidence of this either - just a vague recollection of speaking to a lady about it sometime after I'd got the new phone.
However, the chap on the phone told me to hold - for about 5 mins - then came back on and said that as a goodwill gesture, they would credit off all £100 of the data charges and fix the WnW subscription too. I said thanks very much and rang off before he changed his mind...
bydandie said:
I understand where you're coming from, although I think playing devil's advocate I would make a few points:
The comment about having to go back to the store, whilst unhelpful given your circumstances, is no different from that provided by Voda or O2 in my experience. The deal was made with a manager in a store, who should be able to verify this. If you the agreement in writing, then great but otherwise without proof you're relying on goodwill and a good memory.
The second question I'd ask is have you spoken to retentions about this? They are the only people who have any power in any telco. I'd recommend you start by asking for your PAC code, and keep calm. The other person won't help you if you're emotional. Bear in mind that it may take a couple of people until you get someone sympathetic (Or with a sales target to reach) so stay calm and if needs be take the PAC code and call back in a couple of days.
But please realise that call centre people have personal problems too and different personalities. You are nothing but a stat to them, not meant in a bad way, but stay calm and you will get more.
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i welcome your comments greatly,the thing is i HAVE been totally calm with them,not raised my voice once with them,i work in retail so i know the script when it comes to complaining etc..but seems everytime i call them i always end up getiing someone who hasnt the authority to do anything!!!
you need to talk to tradeing standands they will help you. also every time you call them ask for they name..
The general standard of customer care from mobile companies in the UK is dire.
I cancelled at the end of my contract as the service was crap, and a few times during the year I had been hit with bills for unsolicited text messages.
WITH TMOBILE.
During the year they change the billing date, and they took a full months line rental covering the period after I cancelled. When I called them to see why - they told me that although they had issued a cancellation number, it had been done by email so it did not count, and my account was still not cancelled.
It took two hours of hanging on the phone to get it ended - and it was just not worth the hassle to get the extra 12 quid they took back.
With a previous account they had overcharged me by about a hundred quid, so I stopped the direct debit and asked them to fix it. It took about 40 calls until i got a customer service rep who had a clue. when i told him how many times I had called - he said he found it difficult to believe and could check. He found 26 calls that had been ignored - and when I said I had called far more often he admitted some people would just not log the call.
I asked to have my account ended (as it matched with the introduction of fees for 0800 numbers) and he did so and there was a tenner I still owed - which he waived.
However, the following year a credit card application was declined and when I got a credit report to see why - it showed arrears on my mobile bill.
WITH ORANGE.
"Your data allowance is provided free - so although we are unable to provide data currently - it was free so we don't need to credit you" (When they sold me a phone when they started 3G badly).
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CS:- "Your phone has nothing to do with us - look at the phone - whose name is on it"
ME "It says Orange and has an Orange square"
CS:- "No your problem is with the manufacturer - their name is on the phone - and you need to keep paying us line rental while they repair it as its your problem not ours unless you take out our (whatever they call cover plan)"
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Every CS rep said the same, then one at night said something implying he had net access.
I told him the site for trading standards and to check who was responsible for the phone.
CS:- "Hey - you are right - what we were trained to say is entirely dodgy - I need to report this to my manager in the morning and they will get back to you"
Still waiting two years on.
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CS:- "yes the phone wont work with bluetooth until it has a software upgrade - its a security feature"
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CS:- "Sorry our phone helpers can't get that phone to work either - you need to call the manufacturer"
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CS in shop:- "A phone cannot possibly put someone else's number onto a text message"
ME:- "Text me"
Her text arrived from the "China Sea Chinese Takeaway" (a landline).
CS in shop "Well, its only a minor problem and you are obviously still receiving the texts."
ME:- "Yes but you should see what happens when that number then calls"
CS in shop calls me and it works fine as there never was a problem with calls.
CS mobile number appears on a series of cards offering sexual services in phone boxes.
wizardragon said:
The general standard of customer care from mobile companies in the UK is dire.
I cancelled at the end of my contract as the service was crap, and a few times during the year I had been hit with bills for unsolicited text messages.
WITH TMOBILE.
During the year they change the billing date, and they took a full months line rental covering the period after I cancelled. When I called them to see why - they told me that although they had issued a cancellation number, it had been done by email so it did not count, and my account was still not cancelled.
It took two hours of hanging on the phone to get it ended - and it was just not worth the hassle to get the extra 12 quid they took back.
With a previous account they had overcharged me by about a hundred quid, so I stopped the direct debit and asked them to fix it. It took about 40 calls until i got a customer service rep who had a clue. when i told him how many times I had called - he said he found it difficult to believe and could check. He found 26 calls that had been ignored - and when I said I had called far more often he admitted some people would just not log the call.
I asked to have my account ended (as it matched with the introduction of fees for 0800 numbers) and he did so and there was a tenner I still owed - which he waived.
However, the following year a credit card application was declined and when I got a credit report to see why - it showed arrears on my mobile bill.
WITH ORANGE.
"Your data allowance is provided free - so although we are unable to provide data currently - it was free so we don't need to credit you" (When they sold me a phone when they started 3G badly).
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CS:- "Your phone has nothing to do with us - look at the phone - whose name is on it"
ME "It says Orange and has an Orange square"
CS:- "No your problem is with the manufacturer - their name is on the phone - and you need to keep paying us line rental while they repair it as its your problem not ours unless you take out our (whatever they call cover plan)"
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Every CS rep said the same, then one at night said something implying he had net access.
I told him the site for trading standards and to check who was responsible for the phone.
CS:- "Hey - you are right - what we were trained to say is entirely dodgy - I need to report this to my manager in the morning and they will get back to you"
Still waiting two years on.
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CS:- "yes the phone wont work with bluetooth until it has a software upgrade - its a security feature"
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CS:- "Sorry our phone helpers can't get that phone to work either - you need to call the manufacturer"
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CS in shop:- "A phone cannot possibly put someone else's number onto a text message"
ME:- "Text me"
Her text arrived from the "China Sea Chinese Takeaway" (a landline).
CS in shop "Well, its only a minor problem and you are obviously still receiving the texts."
ME:- "Yes but you should see what happens when that number then calls"
CS in shop calls me and it works fine as there never was a problem with calls.
CS mobile number appears on a series of cards offering sexual services in phone boxes.
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and i thought i had it bad!!!!well heres's an update to the situation.........
Finally got to spoke to somebody with some authority on thursday afternoon (31/01/08)and i must say the gentleman was pretty clued up!at first he wasn't having any of it,he basically tried to give me the usual company spiel,offering apologies etc etc...When i told him i had made a complaint 2 weeks previous,and my reason for phoning was to find out the outcome,his attitude clearly changed.I was put on hold for a couple of mins,and he came back and said rather sheepishly that my complaint had not gone any further than i had left it 2 weeks previously.I was livid,i thought i was gonna blow,but maintained my decorum throughout.I said that i was going to have to take the matter further and speak to OFT(Office of Fair Trading)but he said not to do that as he said he had an offer i couldnt refuse.He offered me a free MDA Vario 3,my flext 35 plan down to £30 a month,with the £180 credit,and web n walk plus for free,all on a 12 month term.I obviously wanted more,but thought at the end of the day he could have offered me JACK DO DO!!!So sometimes it does pay to complain!!!!albeit rather calmly!!!!
i always wanted the Vario 3,but gutted now as i have only just realised all the problems about the drivers for the graphics hardware!!??!!Sod's law or what??????
what a winging twat you are if i got you on the phone i would have said got stop winging you looser your never happy are you what did u want free line rental forever aswell:
maybe he just wanted what was owed toh im, not hars is it, 14 a month is definitely not 4 a month
they will have looked into the data charges and he probably will have done it ive seen it all the time when they say they didnt do the usage and they did and if he was so bothered about the discount he would have gone to the shop to swort it instead of winging hes complaning about the customer services but how do they know he should have kept the discount he could have just been making it up
i dont know how good a deal you really got. around 15 months ago i got a kasier, and 18 month flext35 + web and walk for £35 a month, and the phone was free.. id been with tmobile for a year previously, but it seemed like a fair deal, especially given how new the phone was at the time.
i dont think ive ever had to pay for a pda phone on a contract, they've always managed to bring them down to free if you're willing to take the 18month contracts and complain a bit.
Well more shabbiness from the great t-mobile!I sent my phone in for repair 24/01/09 and have only received it 2day,with a rather annoying letter attached to it saying that my phone has not been repaired due to me unlocking the phone and the phone not having the operator software originally installed on the phone!I had phoned them on Wednesday afternoon to find out why they've had my phone so long and was told that they were waiting for a part for the joystick (d-pad) their words not mine,they assured me my phone wpould be with me friday.So imagine my dismay when i get the phone and see the paperwork attached to it which clearly states that this phone would not be repaired dated 17/02/09,i phoned on wednesday (18th), so how come the CSA didnt tell me that there was a problem with repairing it?
Also i had left my 8 gig sd card in the phone,which has mysteriously disappeared along with my stylus.
I'm gonna phone them in the morning,but would like to know where i stand legally with these morons.
PS.I am no longer under the jurisdiction of ANY UK law or Act or statute,meaning if i get the runaround from tmobile,i can legally bill them for wasting my time,my fee currently starts at £500 per hour.All this is 100% above board!
N E 1 interested in becoming free,just pm me!
Also @ Gibb,yes i may be whinging twat,but a free whinging twat that is not bound by ANY government,that does not pay tax in any form,but can still claim for state handouts,legally!
On the 9th of this month i took out a contract on t-mobile, i took the contract out at a tmobile store and at the time said if i had any problems with the phone if i wanted to cancel the contract if i could bring the device in within 14 days and cancel the informed me i could.
About 9 days later and due to poor battery life of the phone and basic coverage problem i rang up the tmobile store and said can i bring the phone in to cancel they informed me that i couldn't do it in store and would have to ring tmobile which i did and to make sure the store was telling the truth.
Later I then rang tmobile and they informed that they could cancel the phone because i didnt like it and that they would send out a silver bag and it would be with me within 2 working days.
2 working days later i rang up and said i hadn't received the silver bag and was wondering where it was as i wanted to return the phone i was then informed that actually it can take upto 5 days and i would have to wait.
Anyway the very next day the silver bag appeared and i posted the phone back to tmobile like a good customer and went away on my holiday over the 22-24 of this month.
I returned home today to find another silver bag on my door step, i then rang tmobile, i told them i had received another silver bag and just making sure that i returned it in the correct one.
The women then informed me that the 14 days cancelation period didnt count at tmobile stores and that i couldn't cancel the contract at all and she would try to find my phone and post it back to me whilst she was doing this she informed me the other people i talked to where muppets.
At that point i informed her i had been told by 4/5 tmobile members of staff both in the store and at the call center that i could in fact cancel and that i wanted to speak to a manager to make sure what your telling me is correct.
I then got in contact with a manager about 6 hours ago he informed me that 14 day cancellation doesn't count if you buy a phone in a tmobile store and that basically i was stuffed and would have to wait for them to post my mobile back and then talk to the store and hope they would cancel it.
I then informed him that basically i didn't want to do that i wanted my contract canceling and i will not take out another tmobile contract and when my current one runs out i want to cancel that.
After a argument where i was saying i have no phone and you want me to wait till you find it and post it back then i can talk to the store, i said plus the reception in my work place is crap as well at which point he said o now thats a different matter.
He then informed me he would contact the store and ill get a ring when he comes on shift at 6pm. He then asked if they did a check of my postcode in store i told them they hadn't and i would have to wait and hear tomorrow.
I am just wondering what do i do, what are my rights and can i cancel within 14 days.
Sorry about the gramma and spelling but after driving for 6 hours and being on the phone with tmobile for the last hour im really tired.
Long and the short of it, is that yes, you do have a cancellation period for this contract. It may be that the Store need to handle the cancellation, rather than the call centre, but ultimately if you're unhappy, then the store should have resolved this for you.
I'd suggest walking into the store, and asking to speak to the manager... explain whats happened, and demand he resolve this for you.
If you dont get a result from the store, then there are always ombudsmen who can step in and help once they've failed to uphold their end.
So here is my story
I purchased an HTC touch pro 2 last year, i bought it before it hit the US markets so i paid a load of money for it. No problem, i love the phones, and i Paid like $700 for the Touch HD when it dropped in England but the lack of the keyboard ended with me selling it.
So i get this phone from a guy that says its direct from HTC its in an exclusive white box blah blah blah right.
Get the phone and all is well, new roms are dropping and i have WM 6.1 on my phone (weak!) so being that i have a MAC computer i cannot do anything to update the phone with out buying a load of software and putting XP on my computer (nope!).
So i go to the HTC website and the update is there and it asks for the serial number, well i put it in and it wont recognize it, hmmm. So long story intro short, i mail it to HTC for an upgrade and maybe check out the loose hinge on the tilting screen.
They receive my phone, and my phone sits on the shelf at the warehouse for 5 DAYS!!!
I call and every time i get the same story, "well mr miller we will escalate this so that it gets taken care of right away sir." I called 3 times and it was never touched. Finally on the 3rd time they tell me, well this is a sample phone, one we gave to employees before it hit the market, so there is no warranty, and we cannot upgrade it, and where did YOU get this phone. Ummm i paid for it, out in the open on Ebay, not out of the trunk of some guys car outside the pool hall.
Anyway they wont fix it, i have no warranty and thats that, ok fine whatever give my phone back, this was on Monday (April 5th) of this week. So the phone is to be sent back to me per HTC on Monday.
Call on Tuesday to get the tracking number so i can see when it will arrive because i am out a lot, and they say it is still in the warehouse.
I call back on Wednesday to get the tracking number so that i can see when it will arrive because i am out a lot, and they say it is STILL in the warehouse.
I call back on Thursday to get the tracking number so i can see when it will arrive...... etc etc.
The rep then tells me there are no notes in the system and it has not even been started for ship out.
But she is going to escalate it so that it gets sent out ASAP Mr. Miller.
Lord not this escalate crap again.
OK BYE!
I call today Friday to get the tracking number, and its the supervisor i spoke with days ago that knows AAAAALL about my case.
Well Mr. Miller the phone is still sitting on the shelf in our warehouse/
WTF for a week+?!?!
It had been determined last WEEK that they were not going to repair it and were going to send it back.
So my phone has been held hostage by HTC and they wont send it back, no one will do anything to get me over to someone in the warehouse, they act as if its Area 57 or something and they dont have phones there.
So needless to say am very VERY disappointed in the treatment I have received and it is very likely that I will not purchase another HTC phone again after this nightmare.
Shame because i enjoy the phones, but i refuse to give my money to support a company that treats its clients in such a manner.
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Sounds more like a local warehouse/repairshop type of service, not HTC. Imo.
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Sounds more like a local warehouse/repairshop type of service, not HTC. Imo.
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Nope, it was HTC America. I had to send it to them directly.
Weird. If this was in Norway i would just say "Hmmm.. I got this number to this newspaper" and they would give me a new free phone. Their so scared of bad PR here.
If you think HTC CS is the worst, then you haven't dealt with E-ten's..
Their RMA is actually a nightmare, they can loose a device for months, and return it "repaired" what actually means: dirty and parts still loose..
But nevertheless, good luck, hopefully the device will find it's way back to you.
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When I got newton rings on my first Blackstone, I sent it off to HTC, or rather I dropped it off to them as I live in the same town.
I waited the week they said it would take, heard nothing, gave them an extra day and called, they said they'd call me back.
I called them after hearing nothing for a couple more days (I was busy at work so didn't have time to call every day).
Was informed they are waiting on my agreement to pay them a bucket load of cash to fix a warranty issue that they should fix for free.
So I had to go to a website to say that I wanted my phone back, and phone them to say I would be coming in to collect it so would not pay for postage.
Had I not known about the website and just waited, they would have disposed of my phone.
Unfortunately the customer support desk and the repair centre do not speak to each other, so when I arranged with CS that I'd be in the next Friday to pick up my phone at 1pm, they said it would be there, when in actual fact the repair centre had no idea I was coming so I had to wait around for them to find my phone and return it.
I then handed it to carphone warehouse who I'd bought it from to repair, they passed it to HTC for a warranty repair, HTC sent it back after a couple of weeks saying "No missing pixels found" even though it was sent to them to have the screen repaired due to newton rings and no mention of pixels.
Carphonewarehouse appologised and said they would send it off again, but by then I was so fed up about not having the phone for over a month, and expected HTC to refuse to repair it for CPW that I took CPW up on their offer to claim on insurance. £28 and a day later I had a brand new Blackstone.
Great products, crappy service.
AGREED, "great products, crappy service." I too had the Blackstone before i got my tp2
I went on-line this past Friday to order the MHL/HDMI cable for my HTC Sensation from the T-Mo store. At the end of checkout I was asked 5 security questions...I flubbed the first question because I wasn't paying attention. Some of the other questions were kind of strange. i.e. They asked me if I knew a Anble S****. It was my family last name but who has "Able" as a first name??? The best I could figure was they may have meant "Angie" who was a family member.
Anyways, I flunked the security questions and was given a phone number and order# so I could call and verify the order over the phone. I had the call the next day because that office was closed.
I called and cleared up the order and then the sales rep who was helping me could not find the item I was trying to order. Trying to be helpful, I found the item on my own at the on-line T-Mo store but it had no SKU or part #. The sales rep also told me he could not access the same web site because they were restricted from doing so!!!???? I was thinking of e-mailing him the link to the video cable but he couldn't even get to it.
He had to put a note in my order stating what the item was so some other dept. could try to find it...
So predictably, 6 business days later (I paid for overnight delivery) I still had not received my order. I called 30 minutes ago and the sales rep told me the order still had NOT been placed yet AND it would take 24-72 hours (business days) before the order would be even cleared by another dept. Now what the heck does that mean?. I told the rep I was not very happy and a few other choice words.
At least I hope I get an e-mail when they finally find the cable and mail it to me...the next time I'll order from Hong Kong and probably get it faster..haha.
That sucks. You should at least get the shipping charge refunded or changed since it's taking them so long. Are these not available in store?
No MHL/HDMI cables at the local T-Mo store
Last weekend I did go to my local T-Mo store and they only had cases and screen protectors for the HTC Sensation. I was not really expecting too much since the Sensation is so new. I asked the sales girl when they might be getting anything in and she had no clue. The impression I got was she was not expecting any video cables to come in.
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Last weekend I did go to my local T-Mo store and they only had cases and screen protectors for the HTC Sensation. I was not really expecting too much since the Sensation is so new. I asked the sales girl when they might be getting anything in and she had no clue. The impression I got was she was not expecting any video cables to come in.
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yea when i went into my local T-Mo and asked about the cable he said "idk, maybe in a few weeks"