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Can a modified Nexus S beat out an Attrix or is the duo core just to much for the Nexus S.
I'm kind of torn between the two.
player4lifeov said:
Can a modified Nexus S beat out an Attrix or is the duo core just to much for the Nexus S.
I'm kind of torn between the two.
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1.4GHz Nexus S will destroy any other phone. Dual core is cool and fun to tell people about but until Honeycomb comes to phones or the next iteration (AKA Ice Cream) hits them dual core isn't really doing much for the OS so you won't see a performance boost plus the Atrix 4G has a lot of lock down on its bootloader and system files so hacking it is going to be an uphill battle. It'll happen but on the Nexus S you use type the following into ADB
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fastboot oem unlock
fastboot boot recovery-clockwork-3.0.0.5-crespo.img
and then flash the Superuser zip and you're rooted. Couldn't be easier.
Thanks for the input. Much appreciated
kenvan19 said:
1.4GHz Nexus S will destroy any other phone. Dual core is cool and fun to tell people about but until Honeycomb comes to phones or the next iteration (AKA Ice Cream) hits them dual core isn't really doing much for the OS so you won't see a performance boost plus the Atrix 4G has a lot of lock down on its bootloader and system files so hacking it is going to be an uphill battle. It'll happen but on the Nexus S you use type the following into ADB
Code:
fastboot oem unlock
fastboot boot recovery-clockwork-3.0.0.5-crespo.img
and then flash the Superuser zip and you're rooted. Couldn't be easier.
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Sorry to tell, but that is a lot of misinformation. The OS and kernel are fully taking advantage of both cores on Atrix. All the optimization regarding dual core on Ice cream are related to system services and applicatios, not kernel/os. Right now if you an applicattion that starts a service for background tasks, on atrix, each run on a separate core. Keeping the application lag free. While on nexus S you would notice a lag or other king of performance interference.
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uskr said:
Sorry to tell, but that is a lot of misinformation. The OS and kernel are fully taking advantage of both cores on Atrix. All the optimization regarding dual core on Ice cream are related to system services and applicatios, not kernel/os. Right now if you an applicattion that starts a service for background tasks, on atrix, each run on a separate core. Keeping the application lag free. While on nexus S you would notice a lag or other king of performance interference.
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You don't really think that 1 ****ty little app below 10meg is going to be coded to use 2 GPU's all the time ( Angry Birds / Widgets / Browser / OS )
They don't even do that on PC's with Dual cores or Quads or 8 cores e.c.t and running two cores constantly is going to eat battery trying to keep balanced voltages across two cores and display video e.c.t
The only things that will use both cores will be Videos / High end games and even then on core will be at like 70% the other at 20% and the rest going down on the GPU.
You appear to live in a magical world of Unicorns and pots of gold at the end of the rainbow.
If Intel/Nvidea/AMD can't get it right in PC's what chance in hell do they have on a device that eats battery like fat people like chocolate.
Yeah Dual core Phone will be faster but so will battery drain and so will the amount of money in your wallet, no matter what some PR guy says at Mobile Congress " X/Y/Z"
There is already a video online of the faceoff and the nexus s is stock with no overclock kernel and beasts the atrix
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Also, rooting is very simple to do on atrix. All the bloatware are removed even withou root. And we already have a fully deodexed rom out.
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Don't so emo. It's just a person lost in world of gig. Read more on the full spec. Atrix is wonderful. But useless if you need to carry charger to office.
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Ugh. I will just let you live in your world full of ignorance. Both phones are awesome and each has its qualities. Your arrogance and lack of information will only get you so far.
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Nexus S gets my vote for phone of the year 2011.
player4lifeov said:
Can a modified Nexus S beat out an Attrix or is the duo core just to much for the Nexus S.
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Simm22's NS has returned Quadrant scores over 4400 (personally I've seen over 4k on my phone), but I don't think it's a fair comparison at this point. The NS has the benefit of a few months of development and tweaking to get it to this level, Quadrant may or may not be set up to fairly benchmark the Atrix at this point, and the worth of benchmarking as a measure of real-world performance is generally regarded as dubious in the first place.
That said...
I agonized over the same decision when I bought my NS a few weeks ago.
The Atrix is exceptionally bad ass in many ways, both spec-wise and conceptually, but I decided against it for a few reasons:
-eFuse
-Lack of need for strong multi-tasking capability at this time
-Contract requirements and cost vs. T-Mo and the NS (for full functionality)
-Having to wait for manufacturer OS updates
The NS is more than capable of running anything you can put on an Android phone at this time - and, as mentioned, running at 1.4ghz it is just a beast - so the trade-offs I would have had to make to get the Atrix just weren't worth it to me.
Not yet, anyway. Ask me again in the Fall and maybe it'll be a different story.
I'm making this topic to help guys who switch from iPhone and get the Infuse 4g, Okay easily they can follow the routing process, after that the big question is now what?
Please if anyone have suggestion or any Apps that you think will make new rooters enjoy the infuse 4g do post.
My 1st suggestion is SetCpu app,
This can adjust your processors speed and even make it run faster from 1.2ghz to 1.4ghz+, they called this overclocking.
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First app after root should be Titanium Backup, donate version.
yea, thats right, then its easy restore.
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next comes root explorer
Then adfree
Noob question here. I'm rooted and downloaded setcpu. How do I move the cursor past the 1.2 mark?
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cmjkxa said:
Noob question here. I'm rooted and downloaded setcpu. How do I move the cursor past the 1.2 mark?
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need a different cpu driver. that means either a kernel module or an overclock kernel. unfortunately there is basically no kernel dev going on for thins phone that i know of and overclock is not yet an option. it will be soon but dont expect much. many hummingbird chips cant reach speeds any faster than 1.3ghz, though theinfuse may have a cpu that tests beter than the galaxy s to support the higher stock clock speed. a few hummingbirds can go to 1.6ghz so if you get lucky it can be very very fast. just luck of the draw though. i an more interested in a gingerbread port however. the market and browser and overall feeling of the phone on 2.3.3 is more significant than overclocking and safer as well.
the processor in the infuse is not the same generation as what you would find in something like the captivate. like the different generations of the snapdragon, performance and specifications are pretty much completely different. ill expect some high cpu values to come when we get a new kernel.
Overclocking phones is stupid. It does little more than increase heat, decrease battery, and inflate benchmarks.
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the processor in the infuse is not the same generation as what you would find in something like the captivate. like the different generations of the snapdragon, performance and specifications are pretty much completely different. ill expect some high cpu values to come when we get a new kernel.
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the build.prop shows the same part number. it is the same generation. the snapdragon went through a die shrink (65nm-45nm) and got a new graphics processor. not exactly a good comparison. qc may be better now but that doesnt mean you should expect any more than 1.4 ghz and a few people might be stuck with no overclock at all. really if you want a faster phone why buy what is more or less a midrange processor? infact it is soo hard to find a <1ghz chip now that there isnt really a mid range this year only single core and dual core. there is the tegra2 and the new orion chips and will soon be dual core snapdragons. believe me if this is not fast enough you really want to look at a different platform. i got this phone because i realize clock speed is not as important as good software and because the sgs was so good i thought a bigger screen, more ram, and mhl could only be a good thing.
MikeyMike01 said:
Overclocking phones is stupid. It does little more than increase heat, decrease battery, and inflate benchmarks.
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+100 for this comment.
EVERY overclocked ROM in every phone's thread claims it's 2x faster than any other phone. haha... if every phone is faster than every other phone, what's the point?
I think overclocking is just done for those who need that little extra control in their life that they may be lacking elsewhere, hehe
Exactly... why would You want to overclock a phone, to tell Your friends its overclocked?
...then later ROM Manager, market enabler and ...........tune-in radio ;-)
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...then later ROM Manager, market enabler and ...........tune-in radio ;-)
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I installed rom manager to try flashing the mobile ap zip but its telling me i have to flash a recovery first. Im a little scared, lol
Not sure if i can find a mobile ap apk?
MikeyMike01 said:
Overclocking phones is stupid. It does little more than increase heat, decrease battery, and inflate benchmarks.
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I fried my beautiful Captivate using an overclocked kernel running at 1.3ghz.....i will never do that again...
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Trancerush said:
Exactly... why would You want to overclock a phone, to tell Your friends its overclocked?
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hell yeah. its impressive. ive never broken anything by overclocking anything. theres been protection built into them for years. its not like battery is really effected, its a scaling processor, its only at the overclocked speed when you need it. as far as im concerned, its free performance, and i plan to use it when the infuse gets some overclockyness.
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Overclocking phones is stupid. It does little more than increase heat, decrease battery, and inflate benchmarks.
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They may hold true for the Captivate or even the Infuse but it definitely was not the case with the Inspire. A mild bump from 1.0 to 1.2ghz made a very substantial difference in smoothness and feel and did very little to heat and battery.
I find screenshot it so useful. For rooters only
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Please keep the suggestions coming. I am new to Android from the iphone and a newbie to rooting. Knew my way around jailbreaking and what i needed and wanted once that was accomplished, but to tell the truth alot of that comes standard with android so looking to broaden my horizons even more.
I noticed an appreciable difference with my Epic when I overclocked from 1.0ghz to 1.2ghz. Games that normally used to lag, stopped lagging completely. Games load faster. The system performance is much smoother as well.
im quite angry at asus for issues with my TF700, how they supply the tools to void your warranty on a bootloader thats unfixable with any means so that they can charge people to reflash the bootloaders... it makes me angry that theyd do this...
i really liked the features of this tablet.. 1080P+ screen, tegra 3 processor, great cameras with flash... but now im just really disappointed, and i want something thatll actually allow me to work with custom roms, i wanted to get all of the useless nonsense off my tablet, strip it down to the features i only cares about and not have tons of bloatware...
are there any tablets of equal performance and hardware features that is more friendly towards this?
the acer A700 looked nice but i really like the LED flash, makes great pictures even better, and i used it as a flashlight too
i see googles coming out with a nexus 10, but since these are made by asus i have a feeling theyre going to have the same problems, also, i dont believe its a tegra 3 processor?
what would your recommendations be?
Erm, maybe a Nexus 10?
Btw, someone is going to give you a link to this thread anyway, so I'll just save them the trouble: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1846277
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actually.. i just read a nexus 10 is made by samsung, not asus... interesting... hmm, how does the nexus 10s processor stand up to a 1.6ghz tegra 3 though?
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actually.. i just read a nexus 10 is made by samsung, not asus... interesting... hmm, how does the nexus 10s processor stand up to a 1.6ghz tegra 3 though?
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It has an Exynos 5250. Quad-Core 1.7 GHz ARM15 (!). Yes, ARM15. Total monster processor. No mobile CPU beats it
There's a catch. Cyanogenmod dropped official support for all Exynos CPUs, but that shouldn't be a problem because it's a Nexus device, so you should expect a ridiculous amount of development and plenty of unofficial CM
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gagdude said:
It has an Exynos 5250. Quad-Core 1.7 GHz ARM15 (!). Yes, ARM15. Total monster processor. No mobile CPU beats it
There's a catch. Cyanogenmod dropped official support for all Exynos CPUs, but that shouldn't be a problem because it's a Nexus device, so you should expect a ridiculous amount of development and plenty of unofficial CM
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so in short... the nexus 10 is the absolute beast of a tablet that puts all tablets its size to shame... with a higher resolution screen is it the true ipad killer people have been wanting?
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so in short... the nexus 10 is the absolute beast of a tablet that puts all tablets its size to shame... with a higher resolution screen is it the true ipad killer people have been wanting?
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Oh heck yes baby!
Problem 1... damn hard to get one in the Nexus rush 32GBs out of stock and maybe 16GB too...? Have to wait a while, but that's a good thing to let them sort out any issues with the first batch sold
Btw typo, the CPU is dual core, the GPU is quad core
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Please use the device suggestion thread for all phone decision questions. Thread closed.
Anyone else running cm10.1 getting really low benchmarks? On TouchWiz, Quadrant Standard scored a 12,314.
On cm10.1 it scored a 6,533. Is this a battery saving feature? It isn't really that bothering but if it's underclocking the CPU for battery, I'd like the option to disable it if I'm doing heavy tasks.
Ran latest 7/9 Buld of CM10.1 just now. Got a 6602.
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Revised... I ran that as stock. I went into performance and set governing policy for CPU to Performance to lock it in at 1.9ghz. Got a 6576 doing that,
Oh no, you got a really low benchmark.
Does the phone feel half as slow? Probably not.
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evodon84 said:
Oh no, you got a really low benchmark.
Does the phone feel half as slow? Probably not.
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I don't need the cliché "Benchmarks don't matter" speech that is so common. My concern isn't that it scored low, I'm just curious as to if it's a cm10 power saving option, and if you can disable it.
No it is most likely that CM doesn't add the bs changes just to improve the score. I can make a stock roms that blows every other device out of the water in quad rent but runs like crap. All that really matters is real world use.
Wayne Tech Nexus
zelendel said:
No it is most likely that CM doesn't add the bs changes just to improve the score. I can make a stock roms that blows every other device out of the water in quad rent but runs like crap. All that really matters is real world use.
Wayne Tech Nexus
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My HTC One on CM10 scored an 11,800.
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My HTC One on CM10 scored an 11,800.
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Ok? They are two different devices with different coding and kernels. Can't compare the 2
Wayne Tech Nexus
zelendel said:
Ok? They are two different devices with different coding and kernels. Can't compare the 2
Wayne Tech Nexus
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So 2 devices with very similar internal specs should vary over 100%? That's a big jump.
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So 2 devices with very similar internal specs should vary over 100%? That's a big jump.
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It very well could. There is a ton of different coding for each device that could effect it. This is the reason no one puts any stock in them. They mainly use a random number generator to get the scores. Take the nexus 4 and the non nexus version of the device. Same internals but get very different scores.
Wayne Tech Nexus
So here I am, with a hard time to decide if I should buy the Nexus 5, or wait for next-gen phones. What do you think, how much futureproof is the Nexus 5? In terms of the CPU architecture (Snapdragon 800 is still an ARMv7, next-gen CPUs are likely going to sport the ARMv8), 2gigs of RAM (will it be enough in a year or so?), the battery capacity, etc.
What do you think?
Then next year you'll be asking is the next generation future proof because ARMv9 is around the corner etc etc. Just bite the bullet and get something you want!
Nothing is future proof, there is only the now when dealing with electronics.
Nothing is future proof.
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The Nexus 5 will be the best Nexus phone available for approximately one year unless something changes.
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Nothing is future proof.
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Death and taxes.
let's put it this way
i have a VERIZON galaxy nexus and i'm still able to get 4.4 KitKat on it (unofficially of course).
The Galaxy Nexus was the first phone to have a 720p display and ICS on it.
'Future proofing' is the main reason why I buy into the Nexus program.
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Death and taxes.
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what about those who die before they start working?
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what about those who die before they start working?
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Obviously had no future to prove.
Martin-Doc said:
So here I am, with a hard time to decide if I should buy the Nexus 5, or wait for next-gen phones. What do you think, how much futureproof is the Nexus 5? In terms of the CPU architecture (Snapdragon 800 is still an ARMv7, next-gen CPUs are likely going to sport the ARMv8), 2gigs of RAM (will it be enough in a year or so?), the battery capacity, etc.
What do you think?
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My Google Nexus 4 is very much futureproof. Even more HW friendlier Android is coming out, it's lag free, super smooth, versatile and without major issues - yet I want the Nexus 5. It just how it goes these days...
Processors have had a big leap forward last year. Meanwhile Android just gets more efficient and less resource hungry. The chipset in N5 will cover at least a year or two and 2 gig Ram is pretty close to overkill no?
In my opinion, the biggest seller next will not be power but more how processors will use less voltage. We are well on the way (Haswell etc)
Battery technology goes slow and takes time. I think OS developers will work more on inventing solutions to save battery within the software itself. Also producers of displays for phones will hopefully develop more battery greedy screens if tech pushes forward.
Future is coming..
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It's about as future proof as a red blood cell.
How can any technology be future proof?
Like almost every tech gadget it's obsolete almost as soon as you've unboxed it as there will always be something newer and better so there's no point waiting for that as it's an endless circle.
The hardware is good, the specs are good and the OS will get updated for the foreseeable future so there's a good life ahead of it.
Everything about the phone looks awesome, but just remember, no matter what you choose to buy or when, there will always be a better and newer phone out within at least 3 months. But, even if something new does come out soon after the Nexus 5, everything that made you love the Nexus 5 is still there. For example, the Snapdragon 800 will always be very fast, even if a newer Snapdragon SOC comes out, it doesn't make the 800 any slower
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So here I am, with a hard time to decide if I should buy the Nexus 5, or wait for next-gen phones. What do you think, how much futureproof is the Nexus 5? In terms of the CPU architecture (Snapdragon 800 is still an ARMv7, next-gen CPUs are likely going to sport the ARMv8), 2gigs of RAM (will it be enough in a year or so?), the battery capacity, etc.
What do you think?
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Google is trying to optimize android to work with less ram which is why they said it should work better on older devices so ram shouldn't be an issue for a while. (Hopefully). I bought the nexus 5 because its the best phone I'll ever get for the price. I've never had high end phone. The best phone I had was a 2011 xperia play which was nice and cool idea but outdated so I'm really excited to get this and don't really care about what's new that will be better since it'll be too expensive lol. Just my pov
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Like almost every tech gadget it's obsolete almost as soon as you've unboxed it as there will always be something newer and better so there's no point waiting for that as it's an endless circle.
The hardware is good, the specs are good and the OS will get updated for the foreseeable future so there's a good life ahead of it.
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That is well said. There is ALWAYS something better just around the corner.
I completely understand the OP's mindset, which basically comes down to wanting to avoid buyer's remorse. Nobody likes getting the cool new toy/gadget/vehicle only to find out some super-duper feature that everyone loves comes out shortly after. It is even harder to judge when it comes to gadgets like phones because of how fast the technology is progressing.
All I can say is that you will not find a better price/performance value than the Nexus 5 right now. The main hardware is pretty cutting edge, it is guaranteed to get fast OS updates for at least 18 months, and hits most of the features that I personally want. That was enough to entice me to upgrade to the Nexus 5 from my Galaxy Nexus, which in turn was the phone that at the time enticed me to finally give up my dumbphone.
Still, every person has different preferences. If you know of certain features you think you just can't live without that the N5 doesn't have, or have a pretty good phone already and want to wait it out a little longer, then go ahead. Just don't wait forever, because the "perfect phone" doesn't exist. There will always be some sort of tradeoff with any decision you make.
When it comes to smart phones, theres no such thing as future proof. There will aways be a better, faster one in a few weeks after you buy the "best" smartphone. Always.
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If you buy a gadget tomorrow you will find a new with more power,etc... don´t worry about that and enjoy your Nexus 5