Database Info

Why would Samsung remove ART from the 4.4 update?

http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/new-android-runtime-could-improve-battery-life/
http://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html
Andrewtst said:
ART options has been taken out by Samsung, no such selection at developer options.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Seriously Samsung? Why would you do this?

Vulpix said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/new-android-runtime-could-improve-battery-life/
http://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html
Seriously Samsung? Why would you do this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Because it is Samsung.
It always does something weird.

Vulpix said:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/new-android-runtime-could-improve-battery-life/
http://source.android.com/devices/tech/dalvik/art.html
Seriously Samsung? Why would you do this?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
2 reasons
Compatibility
Stability
Mainstream firmware release needs to be rock solid.

And most end users wouldn't know what it is anyway.. So until its full mainstream they won't add it in yet

What is ART??
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app

tehwench said:
2 reasons
Compatibility
Stability
Mainstream firmware release needs to be rock solid.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
ART is available in the 4.4 firmwares of Moto X and Moto G.

GSeeker said:
ART is available in the 4.4 firmwares of Moto X and Moto G.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I heard not all of the apps in the Play Store work with ART.

According to Google Art is still in testing phase and not working with all programs. Could be not playing nice with Knox maybe, just speculating. But honestly, what are those Android developers smoking? Originally they choose "just in time" compiler to save memory space, but taking time penalty on every program start, instead of once during installation, as it's now done in Art. In the meantime to remove all the bloatware that our phones come with, with total disregard for saving the same space, you need to root and possibly loose warranty. Moreover now, that Art will use more space, Google is getting rid of sd cards, trying to replace it with cloud.
I think both options should be available from the beginning and "just in time" used only for very large programs, where loading time will be long regardless and space saving significant.
Oh well, maybe Art will finally become standard when it's no longer needed, like on 8-16 core 64 bit cpu running 3GHz capable of compiling any program in milliseconds.

I used ART on my HTC One Google Edition ROM and while it gave significant speed improvements, many of my favorite apps were incompatible. If Samsung enables ART, their phone support will start ringing off the hook. Many inexperienced users will enable ART, then when the apps don't work, they'll think the phone is broken. I don't think they'll enable ART at least until Android 5.0.

Theres no need for ART in the Note 3 - why? BECAUSE ITS NOT A google DEVELOPER PHONE!.....

cheetah2k said:
Theres no need for ART in the Note 3 - why? BECAUSE ITS NOT A google DEVELOPER PHONE!.....
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So what?
It still has a hidden Developer Options menu, yet it's "NOT A google DEVELOPER PHONE!".
Personally, I don't see a good reason not to include it in the Developer options. Mainstream users will *never* know it is there and enable it, and those that do should be aware of the "risks" involved.
I've had ART enabled on my Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 and really seen precious few issues related to it, so it is disappointing that Samsung removed it. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was Knox related and I know which one I'd rather have.
Regards,
Dave
Sent from my SM-N9005 using Tapatalk

[Q] ART with the perks of Gravitybox

Hi, I've had my nexus 5 for around 2 weeks now and I'm loving it, I've got franco kernel flashed onto it using setcpu having all 4 cores at 2.3ghz most the time as a flawless UI interaction is a must for me.
I'm also running xposed framework with gravity box. Gravity box is the best thing ever! I'm using most it features. However, I really want to use ART for the adding battery life and speed but it is not compatible... So my question is, Is there a way to have all the great features that gravity box provides but also use ART?

nexus_roadhouse said:
Hi, I've had my nexus 5 for around 2 weeks now and I'm loving it, I've got franco kernel flashed onto it using setcpu having all 4 cores at 2.3ghz most the time as a flawless UI interaction is a must for me.
I'm also running xposed framework with gravity box. Gravity box is the best thing ever! I'm using most it features. However, I really want to use ART for the adding battery life and speed but it is not compatible... So my question is, Is there a way to have all the great features that gravity box provides but also use ART?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not that I am aware of... regarding speed: have you tried the Qualcomm Optimizations? http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2546120

Under no circumstances should you even flash those. Those are meant for another device and they certainly do not play nice with Art. Most ROMs are already built with their own optimizations and there's quite a few ROMs have art optimized. Vanir is one that comes off the top of my head.

Jsparta26 said:
Under no circumstances should you even flash those. Those are meant for another device and they certainly do not play nice with Art.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That seems a little harsh. There's no harm in flashing them.

maxpower7 said:
That seems a little harsh. There's no harm in flashing them.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hey, that wasn't meant to sound harsh. I'm just speaking from experience . They cause conflicts such as bootloops, some apps won't run and ultimately you can cause your phone not to be able to boot up. Dalvik optimization binaries from another device are usually meant not to work on a different one. ART and dalvik do not mix at all. If you flashed those on top of art or switch to art then you phone won't boot up. I'm just trying to help that's all.

Jsparta26 said:
Hey, that wasn't meant to sound harsh. I'm just speaking from experience . They cause conflicts such as bootloops, some apps won't run and ultimately you can cause your phone not to be able to boot up. Dalvik optimization binaries from another device are usually meant not to work on a different one. ART and dalvik do not mix at all. If you flashed those on top of art or switch to art then you phone won't boot up. I'm just trying to help that's all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Not sure this is exactly true. Used those optimized dalvik and uses art on my N4 and N5 with non of what you said happening ..where are you getting g your information? I'd like to read into it more.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app

Jsparta26 said:
Hey, that wasn't meant to sound harsh. I'm just speaking from experience . They cause conflicts such as bootloops, some apps won't run and ultimately you can cause your phone not to be able to boot up. Dalvik optimization binaries from another device are usually meant not to work on a different one. ART and dalvik do not mix at all. If you flashed those on top of art or switch to art then you phone won't boot up. I'm just trying to help that's all.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Hi,
There is not a single issue like you describe for the Nexus 5, even on CM based rom (since a few months now, the Nexus 5 thread has been updated), you should read closely the thread before make these kind of statement, see below (and the Nexus 4 FAQ)...
I personnaly tested to flash what you say on different rom and there is no bootloop, take a look at my posts, for example, in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47709067, it's about the Dalvik and Bionic patches for the N5.
Not sure what you have done to have this on the N5 and not sure what you have experimented on the N5, but not that much in my opinion...
Sent from my LG-D802 using xda premium

If by Gravity Box u mean you want customizable quick toggles and battery icon like me then you can use Cataclysm rom with ART and those features are built in and it's stock rom (ish)
Sent from my Nexus 5 using Tapatalk

Jsparta26 said:
Under no circumstances should you even flash those. Those are meant for another device and they certainly do not play nice with Art. Most ROMs are already built with their own optimizations and there's quite a few ROMs have art optimized. Vanir is one that comes off the top of my head.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Many people are using these optimisations on the N5. They're flashing them from the N5 forum thread though. Obviously the Dalvik does nothing if you're on ART, but the bionic does and works fine. ALthough OP wants to run GravityBox and there is no way to do this using ART so this should makle the device feel more ART like with Dalvik,.
However, Personally I fouind these mods made Battery worse, not better. Just made the device a little snappier, closer to ART.
I prefer Dalvik without these mods.

viking37 said:
Hi,
There is not a single issue like you describe for the Nexus 5, even on CM based rom (since a few months now, the Nexus 5 thread has been updated), you should read closely the thread before make these kind of statement, see below (and the Nexus 4 FAQ)...
I personnaly tested to flash what you say on different rom and there is no bootloop, take a look at my posts, for example, in this thread: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=47709067, it's about the Dalvik and Bionic patches for the N5.
Not sure what you have done to have this on the N5 and not sure what you have experimented on the N5, but not that much in my opinion...
Sent from my LG-D802 using xda premium
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OK download grand theft auto San Andreas with those bionic and dalvik files flashed and see if you can play it. It will force close. Like I I said. I wouldn't post this if this didn't happen to me. I flashed those on top of my cm ROM and that's what happened. Yes I hold true to my statement. You guys can flash whatever you want but I'm just saying from experience. Its my opinion but they aren't even necessary. I mean I see these warnings about gravity box and these files that the op states not flash on top using art or use. We all have our opinions. Please by all means flash away. I did take a look at it. It says flash only the bionic part if you plan on using art. So yeah I believe that flashing both the files and switching to art can cause the non boots and some apps not to run.
So my bad. I'm going on info that was a week old. January 8th which nearly two weeks ago. BTW bionic only makes math algorithms faster. Honestly you cannot seriously tell me these are 100% proof to work with no issues.

@ Jsparta26, GTA San Andreas is working with these patches and Dalvik runtime, see feedback in the thread I linked...
Sorry but maybe there is something else (another mod or...) in your side...

viking37 said:
@ Jsparta26, GTA San Andreas is working with these patches and Dalvik runtime
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Same here. Or at least it doesn't force close any more than normal. I find GTA force closes without the Dalvik and Bionic patches too.

viking37 said:
@ Jsparta26, GTA San Andreas is working with these patches and Dalvik runtime, see feedback in the thread I linked...
Sorry but maybe there is something else (another mod or...) in your side...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ok. Its weird. I don't have any mods flashed. Just the ROM. The pa gapps, Franco kernel and these files. I'll see what I did. Thanks guys.

To answer the OP question. You can flash a rom that has built in customizations that will work on ART. However Gravity Box and other mods that use the framework will not work on Art.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app
---------- Post added at 04:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:12 PM ----------
Jsparta26 said:
Ok. Its weird. I don't have any mods flashed. Just the ROM. The pa gapps, Franco kernel and these files. I'll see what I did. Thanks guys.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So.. all of the imminent death to my phone by using these dalvik and Bionic libraries was just because you couldn't play a game so that's what you assumed?
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app

PJcastaldo said:
To answer the OP question. You can flash a rom that has built in customizations that will work on ART. However Gravity Box and other mods that use the framework will not work on Art.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app
---------- Post added at 04:13 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:12 PM ----------
So.. all of the imminent death to my phone by using these dalvik and Bionic libraries was just because you couldn't play a game so that's what you assumed?
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Cheers, I think this may be the best solution. I've been told Cataclysm has all the same features as gravity box and works with ART so I'm going to try that out, I'll let you know how it is.

nexus_roadhouse said:
Cheers, I think this may be the best solution. I've been told Cataclysm has all the same features as gravity box and works with ART so I'm going to try that out, I'll let you know how it is.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Gravity Box and Cataclysm don't have the SAME features, although there are many that do overlap. Their respective threads have a good rundown of the features they provide, so I'd take a look and compare. Using Cataclysm is a good compromise if you want to take advantage of ART. But I've said this before, the advantages that ART brings outweighs the additional features of Gravity Box in my opinion.

b.spec said:
Gravity Box and Cataclysm don't have the SAME features, although there are many that do overlap. Their respective threads have a good rundown of the features they provide, so I'd take a look and compare. Using Cataclysm is a good compromise if you want to take advantage of ART. But I've said this before, the advantages that ART brings outweighs the additional features of Gravity Box in my opinion.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've removed xposed framework and installed cataclysm now, i'm loving how snappy the interface is with ART i don't know how i ever lived without it! Although i am a bit annoyed that i've lost some of my apps, tried to use helium backuper but it didn't let me restore my apps... Guess i'll just have to re-download monopoly, and start from scratch on candy crush! I would say there's only two things i miss from gravity box that cataclysm doesn't provide, that is the download speed on the status bar (although you can see it in the toggles) and having my volume down enable flash light on lockscreen.

To be honest.. ART isn't really that fast compared to the dalvik runtime. Granted its 100% perception and opinion.
To me the extremely small performance jump you gain isn't worth the loss of some apps or features. I see it as when it ready to be used it will be default and the ONLY reason its even there now is for developers to get their apps ready.
Sent from my Nexus 5 using xda app-developers app

New Nexus 5 Owner

So I'm new to the Nexus 5. Mine will be hear tonight. What are some really nice things I can look forward to?
Thanks

defectiveleader said:
So I'm new to the Nexus 5. Mine will be hear tonight. What are some really nice things I can look forward to?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Congratulations on you new device.
The first thing I noticed was the speed and smoothness and crisp, bright screen.
You should enable the ART runtime in Developer options as soon as you can.

defectiveleader said:
So I'm new to the Nexus 5. Mine will be hear tonight. What are some really nice things I can look forward to?
Thanks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't mean to be rude, but there are about 50 threads exactly like this. No one can really tell you what to expect besides yourself. :good:
But just to give you something. Unlock the boot loader as soon as you get it.

You have an awesome experience to look forward to, that's what.
What device are you coming from?

Love these threads. Agree 100% unlock bootloader. Rom. Mod. Profit
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

TurdWiper said:
Love these threads. Agree 100% unlock bootloader. Rom. Mod. Profit
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Id just hold on stock for now Android 4.5 is coming

markdapimp said:
Id just hold on stock for now Android 4.5 is coming
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You sillys and your obsession with stock and ota updates. You know you can manually get the newest likely even before ota is pushed. But if you want to sit around and wait that hopefully it gets pushed on time, go right ahead. Plus its a nexus. Returning to stock after unlocking is so incredibly easy that you should not fear experimenting in the meantime. But do as you wish, its your device.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

Understandable, and definitely exciting, mine was shipped when I was away from home on vacation, so not only did I have to wait for it to become available, but then for it to ship home, and then again for me to return home. The wait is well worth it.
Unlock the bootloader, as if you decide to do this later it will wipe your data if you do not backup
Unlock developer options and switch from dalvik to ART runtime. This will make your device run much smoother than it does
Disable unused and background processes ( I disable Cloud, Printing, Language packs personally )
Under developer options, I personally change "Don't Keep Activities" as I notice it greatly assists my battery life.
Everyone's experience may vary, but have fun finding out what works for you.

TurdWiper said:
You sillys and your obsession with stock and ota updates. You know you can manually get the newest likely even before ota is pushed. But if you want to sit around and wait that hopefully it gets pushed on time, go right ahead. Plus its a nexus. Returning to stock after unlocking is so incredibly easy that you should not fear experimenting in the meantime. But do as you wish, its your device.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I love stock i don't need to worry about losing my IEMI randomly, or some random bug/ random reboot, battery drain and all those other hassles
Personally me coming from an iPhone i like stock and that's how some people think it should be

markdapimp said:
I love stock i don't need to worry about losing my IEMI randomly, or some random bug/ random reboot, battery drain and all those other hassles
Personally me coming from an iPhone i like stock and that's how some people think it should be
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
All the power to you. Good luck.
Sent from my HTC One using Tapatalk

my 2 cents are: for a few days / weeks keep the thing as it came. if there are any hidden bugs, well it will be easier to rma.
then up to you what you want to do, there are "endless" possibilities.

I always like to unlock the bootloader first at least, before I get too comfortable with stock.

Thanks everyone! I too love threads like these. Feels like I'm part of the community
So I'm going to unlock the bootloader, root, enable ART (which should be fun to try out!), and pull out a few tweaks.
I think I will stay stock, but maybe use Xposed.
Thanks for all the input! I really like the suggestions.

jsgraphicart said:
You have an awesome experience to look forward to, that's what.
What device are you coming from?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I'm coming from the Galaxy Note 3

defectiveleader said:
Thanks everyone! I too love threads like these. Feels like I'm part of the community
So I'm going to unlock the bootloader, root, enable ART (which should be fun to try out!), and pull out a few tweaks.
I think I will stay stock, but maybe use Xposed.
Thanks for all the input! I really like the suggestions.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
FYI, Xposed doesnt work with ART. The Nexus 5 works great on Dalvik anyway.
defectiveleader said:
I'm coming from the Galaxy Note 3
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you're coming from a fast phone to another fast phone. The things the Nexus 5 has over the Note 3 is better Google Experience, better customization, no crappy TouchWiz.

defectiveleader said:
Thanks everyone! I too love threads like these. Feels like I'm part of the community
So I'm going to unlock the bootloader, root, enable ART (which should be fun to try out!), and pull out a few tweaks.
I think I will stay stock, but maybe use Xposed.
Thanks for all the input! I really like the suggestions.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I was using ART for a while, but switched back so I could try Xposed + GravityBox. Not going back to ART now... the customization features GravityBox provides are worth way more than the minor speed increase ART gives... and with those features I don't really even feel the need to use a custom ROM. If there's one thing I could recommend, it would definitely be this.

Yes I would educate myself about rooting/ unlocking the bootloader and make that one of the first things, reason being is that unlocking the bootloader erases everything on the phone. I mean you can make backups but I personally have never made a backup of anything.

How similar is the Lollipop update to stock?

Does it have fullscreen music cover art on the lockscreen?
What was the main features which made you upgrade? The main one tempting me is the Move to sd option but its not quite a big enough reason to upgrade consdidering many apps can still do this on KK.
I'm totally on the fence about lollipop. I waited and waited on the update but now the thought of re-setting up all my zooper widgets and all the xposed modules i will lose I'm kinda putting off the upgrade.....
Plus I'm not crazy on the Material design.... i actually prefer the blurred/transparent look than bright colours and flat shapes. Blurred UI xposed module is a great little app that does this.
Can anyone tempt me to upgrade? Any nice features i don't know about? How is performance?
Help a brother out

Info
rm83855 said:
Does it have fullscreen music cover art on the lockscreen?
What was the main features which made you upgrade? The main one tempting me is the Move to sd option but its not quite a big enough reason to upgrade consdidering many apps can still do this on KK.
I'm totally on the fence about lollipop. I waited and waited on the update but now the thought of re-setting up all my zooper widgets and all the xposed modules i will lose I'm kinda putting off the upgrade.....
Plus I'm not crazy on the Material design.... i actually prefer the blurred/transparent look than bright colours and flat shapes. Blurred UI xposed module is a great little app that does this.
Can anyone tempt me to upgrade? Any nice features i don't know about? How is performance?
Help a brother out
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
:good:

Geeks Empire said:
don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
:good:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.

TheTeslaCoil said:
Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
Z3 powered by Tapatalk

funky0308 said:
Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
Z3 powered by Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Good point.

funky0308 said:
Agreed...
WiFi is working without any problems here...
UI is only what you see but it's not everything about UI, 5.0.2 is faster, smoother then KK and safer (all security patches and updates)...batery consumption is better optimised...
Xposed is working fine now and it won't be long while we get all modules we had on KK here on L.
There aren't reason for you that could force you to upgrade but that's logical step to do...
Try..if you don't like it, downgrade and stay on KK but give it a chance... I'm sure you'll change your mind
Z3 powered by Tapatalk
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Geeks Empire said:
don't do it
w8 for L5.1.1 cause that may solve WiFI issue
on L5.0.2 WiFi always disconnect with authentication problem error
:good:
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
TheTeslaCoil said:
Lies. Do it.
Your case is not a general case.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the replies
Does it include the full screen cover art on lock screen?
I've tried to get this working on KK for god knows how long, it might just persuade me if it does...

Stock lollipop
Sent from my D6603 using XDA Free mobile app

rm83855 said:
Thanks for the replies
Does it include the full screen cover art on lock screen?
I've tried to get this working on KK for god knows how long, it might just persuade me if it does...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I've only used the Walkman app on my Z3, but yes, full screen album Cover on lockscreen when listening to music.
Wish the previous track button on lock screen was still there though

electrash said:
Stock lollipop
Sent from my D6603 using XDA Free mobile app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Looks good! t4p.
I installed the "Lock me out" app from the appstore and can't get back in my device so it looks like i will lose all my widgets anyway due to having to reset the device.
Surely if there was ever a sign to update its now.........

Update 9.0 xzp 26 october

ht tps://blogs.sonymobile.com/2018/10/18/22587/
Enviado desde mi G8141 mediante Tapatalk

thank's @xzpremium1976 https://blogs.sonymobile.com/2018/10/18/android-9-pie-update-on-more-xperia-devices/

no Xposed, no upgrade for me

amakuramio said:
no Xposed, no upgrade for me
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...

Miustone said:
So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I only wish to have xz2 fonctions work on xzp and root to increase the screen colours

SilverGamer_YT said:
I only wish to have xz2 fonctions work on xzp and root to increase the screen colours
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Maybe we will get them
I mean, the Z2 got also the Camera from the XZ3 with the update...so I hope on some new functions *_*

Miustone said:
So you wait for Android 10 to get Xposed on Android 9? lol
I gived Up waiting for Things like that. Besides that SONY maked it hard to get it working is there nothing that great what makes worth the waiting. Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules.
Don't wait for Xposed. The SONY Update is more important in many Views... And don't forget the Security Updates...
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You do realize that not everyone is the same as you and wants the same things as you? Don't push your wants and needs onto other people, I'm waiting for Xposed as well because it's essential to me and many others.
"Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules."
Also: lol

razerphynx said:
You do realize that not everyone is the same as you and wants the same things as you? Don't push your wants and needs onto other people, I'm waiting for Xposed as well because it's essential to me and many others.
"Xposed is abdoned by many Developers and so are 90% of the Modules."
Also: lol
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Much fun waiting for it! Hahaha How many People still use Xposed btw? Like 0,1% of the Android Users Worldwide? Just flash AOSP and You will don't need Xposed anymore
Also: lol "Xposed Essential"

Miustone said:
Much fun waiting for it! Hahaha How many People still use Xposed btw? Like 0,1% of the Android Users Worldwide? Just flash AOSP and You will don't need Xposed anymore
Also: lol "Xposed Essential"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with this, Xposed is kind off umm essentially dead at this point ever since it started to break checks

LukeyWolf said:
I agree with this, Xposed is kind off umm essentially dead at this point ever since it started to break checks
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
What 'checks' has xposed suddenly started breaking? Safety net? Xposed always broke it.
@Miustone
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one or knows one. No one is right or wrong in this argument. I use xposed to modify my status bar the way I like it, among other things, Aosp will not change this.

Beetle84 said:
What 'checks' has xposed suddenly started breaking? Safety net? Xposed always broke it.
@Miustone
Opinions are like assholes, everyones got one or knows one. No one is right or wrong in this argument. I use xposed to modify my status bar the way I like it, among other things, Aosp will not change this.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
AOSP can change more as Xposed could ever do. Just take a Look on RR, AE or LOS ROMs. While RR is based on LOS does it have a lot of Options you will never find in any Xposed Module. AE is based on pure AOSP, more Clean as RR (since based on AOSP) but also giving more Options compared to LOS or Gravity Box for a Xposed example.
LOS is simple and secure. You can totally Control Your Device besides Essential modifying of the UI. Xposed is and was Something for People like the ones who just where able to get Root with locked Bootloaders. Unlocked Device = AOSP
AND, Yes. Safety Net. Xposed triggers it. Xposed was available long before the Security Changes Google did, to make Android a secure and mature OS. But it's now part of Android and WE can't Change that fact. So we can live with Systemless stuff like Magisk and the Modules for it. Or use Xposed and don't be able to use a bunch of popular Apps on Your daily used Device.
It should be clear that Xposed is almost dead, sooner or later (since it can never Go Systemless). AOSP just bring's all the Xposed goodies without breaking safety Net. Same for the Patches i do. I would never force anyone to Trigger the Safety Net Check. For a good Reason.
Peace ?

I have been using xposed since 2012, when I still had a docomo ics phone, no upgrade for me. Oreo is fast enough. Im still using kitkat because after 5.0 ipc binder was introduced, apps can steal data from other apps, mostly google services (thats why some apps wont function without gapps). Most likely ill sell both my xz and z3 and get z3 tablet with sim function. Safety is bull.

Virtual Xposed for Andorid 9.0 could make some basic Xposed modules work on the new update.

hasaan6545 said:
Virtual Xposed for Andorid 9.0 could make some basic Xposed modules work on the new update.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nop most apps force close.

Did anybody in the us get the update?

IS33D34DP30PL3 said:
Did anybody in the us get the update?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.

Miustone said:
AOSP can change more as Xposed could ever do.
It should be clear that Xposed is almost dead, sooner or later (since it can never Go Systemless). AOSP just bring's all the Xposed goodies without breaking safety Net.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
This is clearly satire, right?

Atrax2010 said:
Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
;-;

Atrax2010 said:
Nobody will get the update before next week, if then.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
OR the next next week !!! Grrrrrrr !!!!

xrenoix said:
OR the next next week !!! Grrrrrrr !!!!
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Yeah, I'd personally place my bet on it being released in November, the same time the XZ2 lineup gets it.
It doesn't matter, really, what matters is XZP gets Pie at all, whenever, which still might not happen. Like with the Z3 and Nougat situation...
Tbh, I don't even care about the android version, I'm just hoping that with the major OS upgrade Sony would also make an extra step of updating the core system apps, like camera for example, which can perform so much better than it does now, it's just a matter of tuning the algorythms and software calibration, the hardware is not the issue.
Anyways, just like with all previous updates on my xperias, I'm betting on a better experience, but nothing sensational or drastically improved.
What is most likely to happen is the core OS gets updated and everything else stays the same. Sony basically looses money on each device they sell, it's a miracle we get any updates at all on a two year old device, so yeah, not hoping for much, but it's not like I'm having issues with Oreo or how it works so... Who cares...
Revising an old device takes a lot of money and dev resources, plus you need to attend to new devices. Considering how Sony Mobile is next to unprofitable, as I said, it's a miracle the software support is as good as it is. Next to Pixel, the fastest updates of any other brand.