Just like the Title implies. I am trying to get a good idea on what runtime users perfer.
I like ART but its a batter killer and some apps are not compatible. Luckily I am not concerned about incompatible apps because I have not come across one that I use.
I would like to know what you use...
Do you prefer Art or Dalvik and why?
Everyone is encouraged to join in... Even if from another forum :highfive:
I use ART, though I'm not entirely convinced it does anything. Especially for my piece of **** device
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monkor said:
I use ART, though I'm not entirely convinced it does anything. Especially for my piece of **** device
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What device, the Sensation?
Prolly not. ART is really designed for high end devices. I dont know much about the sensation though...
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What device, the Sensation?
Prolly not. ART is really designed for high end devices. I dont know much about the sensation though...
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768MB of pure RAM and sex appeal! ART is supposed to help memory challenged devices such as mine. My Nexus 4 broke, but I definitely noticed the difference in terms of RAM savings then. On this device, I don't. You like it on the M8?
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Dalvik across all maintained devices..
Lim Wee Huat said:
Dalvik across all maintained devices..
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Cool!
monkor said:
768MB of pure RAM and sex appeal! ART is supposed to help memory challenged devices such as mine. My Nexus 4 broke, but I definitely noticed the difference in terms of RAM savings then. On this device, I don't. You like it on the M8?
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See, I thought ART was supposed to use more memory
ON the M8, which is already stupid fast... It really brought it up a notch.
The best way to describe it is that apps load almost instantly. Its like the device is clocked to 3GHZ or something... It really is that notable.
Art
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Dalvik. As others have said I've really seen no difference in performance or smoothness I haven't tested long enough to test battery. Maybe furture android versions might have better use for ART they still don't consider it fully functional I thought almost like beta phase maybe.
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Dalvik, for broader compatibility, and to be able to use Xposed Framework. Battery life is so amazing the purported gains of ART don't make it worth the loss of being able to make modifications.
My name's Harold and I'm a flashaholic....
Dalvik. Art breaks too many things, and on the 4 devices I've tried it on the speed benefits are negligible.
Dalvik, one incompatible app is one too many. Stability is always my main priority!
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I prefer ART, but I need xposed so I'm on Dalvik. I personally see better battery on ART.
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I'm using ART, basically because it's newer. Newer must be better!
Right?!
Anyway, I have no idea what the difference is between the two, but I actually thought ART was supposed to *improve* battery life. At least I thought I read that was one of the missions of the project.
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Just to follow up, everything I can find on the net at the moment indicates ART should/does improve battery life. It's less of a strain on the CPU so that would make sense.
Scott you know a hell of a lot more about these devices than I ever will (and probably more than most of these internet sources) so if you say it's the opposite I'd be inclined to believe you.
I just switched to ART... Been about a week and I notice that there is no more lag when opening my keyboard and no lag when swyping... Only app I see crash so far is quadrant but no biggie....
Does ART effect the kernel possibilities? I want to try faux again but don't know if it will cause a reload of everything if it breaks
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I'm not using ART because frankly on this phone it's not necessary. It's just as fast without ART as it is with it, unlike my DNA. and I use Xposed framework modules so it's a no brainer for me
I don't even have the ART option
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fireguy0306 said:
I don't even have the ART option
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I use dalvic cause I am too lazy to change over
@fireguy0306 the ART option is under < developer options/Select runtime =]
JelloB said:
Just to follow up, everything I can find on the net at the moment indicates ART should/does improve battery life. It's less of a strain on the CPU so that would make sense.
Scott you know a hell of a lot more about these devices than I ever will (and probably more than most of these internet sources) so if you say it's the opposite I'd be inclined to believe you.
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I'm far from knowing everything. I just read one article and it show battery drain statitistcs of art and dalvik on identical devices set up identically. Art drain was higher.
I dont know this test to be as all conclusive so take it with a grain of salt.
two_cents said:
I just switched to ART... Been about a week and I notice that there is no more lag when opening my keyboard and no lag when swyping... Only app I see crash so far is quadrant but no biggie....
Does ART effect the kernel possibilities? I want to try faux again but don't know if it will cause a reload of everything if it breaks
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Art should not affect kernel. But I aslo see the gians you see. The keyboard is just one. Wake time to home screen is another, launching any app is amazingly faster.
Rushing said:
I use dalvic cause I am too lazy to change over
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A man after my own heart!
The reason I ask is on my next ROM build I want to include items that I know will not be ART compatible. Such as Xposed...
So I wanted to gauge the efficacy of ART vs Dalvik on the M8.
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I notice that when you first flash a ROM its fast and smooth but after a few Weeks its starts allowing down. How do you fix this?
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Its the other way around for me... :S
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aamir123 said:
I notice that when you first flash a ROM its fast and smooth but after a few Weeks its starts allowing down. How do you fix this?
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It's difficult to answer this in general.
Also I don't pretend to be knowledgeable about the full scope of cases.
Often this has to do with a caching strategy and memory resource management strategy and as such you will observe this phenomenon on many platforms with any OS. Optimal caching is about resource management for short term satisfaction (and spectacular speeds while it lasts) or long term equilibrium.
Android makes it easy to cook your own ROM. the task is still about acquiring a huge amount of knowledge but it is not a difficult job, just a big one.
NB: when you pick a good ROM you'll observe that they do not slow down with time .
With the stock rom I haven't had the slowing down experience (and I just flashed arhd so I can't comment on that), except with messaging app which is understandable since I started with very little messages and now I have almost 3k.
offtopic :This slowwing down over time reminds me of M$ operating systems but they are getting better at it.
I get the same but I thin it has to do with all the crap I install on my phone and then all that collects more crap to make my phone slower
If you don't want it to slow down, don't install any applications beyond what comes with the ROM. Simple.
Just wipe cache and dalvik every week,
And deleting some big apps will help too.
And reboot your phone in the morning. That will delete temp files
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thanks I'll try that! I figured it had something to do with cache.
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Just wipe cache and dalvik every week,
And deleting some big apps will help too.
And reboot your phone in the morning. That will delete temp files
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Just a thought but i got sdmaid and cachecleaner off the market. Cachecleaner got rid of a lot of useless stuff but I've seen a huge improvement in speed with sdmaid pro. Worth a shot
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mf2112 said:
If you don't want it to slow down, don't install any applications beyond what comes with the ROM. Simple.
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stroobach said:
Just wipe cache and dalvik every week,
And deleting some big apps will help too.
And reboot your phone in the morning. That will delete temp files
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this are probably the biggest reasons.
its just a general android problem. the more applications you install the slower your phone will be
billobob said:
its just a general android problem. the more applications you install the slower your phone will be
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lol windows isn't immune either
aamir123 said:
I notice that when you first flash a ROM its fast and smooth but after a few Weeks its starts allowing down. How do you fix this?
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Switch of your phone at least every 5 days... No good if phone runs non-stop.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1987032&nocache=1
has anyone tried this on their kindle fire? Notice any significant performance improvement? Increased battery life consumption?
Try the apk... I felt It's quite a battery drainer.
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I love it, it acts weird and shuts off, but really works well
Placebo. Placebo. Placebo.
Urahara said:
But wouldn't that just be a huge waste of development since it's free?
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$1.50 in the play store. The dev has made thousands off this snake oil.
Ok, I'm probably wrong, but I believe placenta is a body part found in women. The umbilical cord goes through it, or something. Probably wrong, but, YOLO.
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veeman said:
Placebo. Placebo. Placebo.
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I can't speak for the KF1 because I haven't loaded this app on mine yet, but I can say that certain things do load faster with this app. I'm not saying that games run better, but there is a noticeable difference when navigating back to the home screen or launching the messaging app on my phone. I would assume that this might help the KF1 because of the somewhat older hardware, since the consensus seems to be that newer hardware already uses this sort of tactic to reduce CPU lag. Obviously I didn't read all one billion pages of the "discussion" about whether this works or not, so please let me know if I'm super wrong.
Gave it a spin on my kindle fire 1 and noticed absolutely zero performance difference. I'd have to agree it is a placebo, at least on the kf1
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I felt that it slowed it down especially when playing games.
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Wondering if I should enable this. Have you guys noticed improvements?
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Some people say its a placebo effect, but i personally have noticed improvements. I run it exclusively
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Where I really notice the difference is scrolling, even through the system it just feels "right"
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Is there like a list of apps that dont work with ART?
EarlZ said:
Is there like a list of apps that dont work with ART?
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Try searching. Google nexus 5 apps not working art xda
Id say its pretty stable and if in doubt you can always go back
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Some people say its a placebo effect, but i personally have noticed improvements. I run it exclusively
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For some it looks like as its a placebo affect, but when you launch CPU intensive apps such as Photoshop touch and other cpu intensive apps you start to see the affect.
Had some issues with the Facebook app on ART (seems to be fixed now), but otherwise, it's been flawless. No issues.
However, I will be honest and say that the speed improvements have only been marginal for me.
Thanks guys! Will enable it. Can't wait to root and install PA!
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I can see a difference between ART and dalvik. Apps are snappier and battery life is slightly better. It's very smooth. The only thing on the negative side is some apps will not work (very few) and boot time takes a couple of seconds longer. Other than that, it's great!
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boot time takes a couple of seconds longer. Other than that, it's great!
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Really? I find boot time is quicker. Odd :/
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ZacksBuilds said:
Really? I find boot time is quicker. Odd :/
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Well I'm including when it optimizes the apps. Without that it definitely boots quicker but when it optimizes apps, it does add a couple of seconds.
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First thing I do after I flash a new ROM is enable ART Pretty much the best thing to happen for performance on Android since Project Butter on Jellybean. It's quite stable, and most of the big apps that used to be buggy with ART have been fixed. After the initial boot after switching to ART (which takes a few minutes, depending on the number of apps you have installed), boot time is quicker, and everything is just buttery smooth. If you thought that the phone couldn't get faster, you're wrong. It does something to the scrolling especially that just makes everything fly.
I've been using it for a few hours. HOLY THIS IS SMOOTH
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I just installed AOSPA 4.0 W/ Franco r25 and art won't stick. Any ideas?
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Am having the same issue but am running stock rooted 4.4.2 with Franco r25. I heard that Xposed interferes with it. So I uninstalled Xposed and performed a factory reset, but I'm having the same problem, Art won't stay on as default and the N5 goes back to Dalvik.
stoosh666 said:
Am having the same issue but am running stock rooted 4.4.2 with Franco r25. I heard that Xposed interferes with it. So I uninstalled Xposed and performed a factory reset, but I'm having the same problem, Art won't stay on as default and the N5 goes back to Dalvik.
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All I had to do was remove xposedframework and delete gravity box .
Device: Nexus 5 16gb Black
ROM: AOSPA 4.0BETA w/ Franco r25
Ran Art from day one on a bone stock N5. In comparison to a similar N5 on Dalvik there was a slight difference. Barely noticeable.
Benchmark scores are different in favor of ART.
App sizes are bigger.
Yesterday I rooted, installed Xposed and Gravity. It isn't compatible with ART yet, so I kept Dalvik.
To be honest, you won't see a difference. Split seconds are not noticeable to us. How snappy do you need your phone to be? ART or Dalvik, you will see no lag.
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Ran Art from day one on a bone stock N5. In comparison to a similar N5 on Dalvik there was a slight difference. Barely noticeable.
Benchmark scores are different in favor of ART.
App sizes are bigger.
Yesterday I rooted, installed Xposed and Gravity. It isn't compatible with ART yet, so I kept Dalvik.
To be honest, you won't see a difference. Split seconds are not noticeable to us. How snappy do you need your phone to be? ART or Dalvik, you will see no lag.
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Well every device is different. I compared to a nexus 5 on dalvik and mine was surely faster.
Device: Nexus 5 16gb Black
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All I had to do was remove xposedframework and delete gravity box .
Device: Nexus 5 16gb Black
ROM: AOSPA 4.0BETA w/ Franco r25
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I did exactly that, factory reset the phone but ART still isn't sticking it's really annoying.
It takes a long time to "upgrade" after installing nightlies. For me it takes an average of 15 minutes. It has to upgrade 229 apps.
I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5. I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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datallboy said:
I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5. I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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Either will do battery drain based on usage and the kind of usage. I personally use ART, no real issues of battery drain. If you observe severe drain, you can always try one of the great custom kernels floating around, great developers and can really maximize battery life more even for Nexus 5 battery.
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I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5.
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What are you basing this on? Just general perception? Or just a sweeping generalisation which applies to all Nexus 5's....
I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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ART is going to eventually replace dalvik, but still in its infancy. It's not going to be a magic bullet to suddenly double your battery life, otherwsie we'd all be doing it..
How much difference it will make will vary for your usage, but I doubt it will be 'significant'. It could even make things worse. Experiment and see for yourself.
Battery life is based on how you use your device. It varies so much because there are so many variables, not just ART / dalvik.
It is still bound by the laws of physics...you can work out and understand what is using your battery before assuming that it must be awful or drain.
But in summary no, change your perception first: unless you actually have a defective unit, the battery does not just 'kinda suck'....
I'm just curious because of different articles I've seen, I haven't received my devices yet. I own a nexus 7 and I'm use to the battery life I get from it.
Only reason why I'm wondering is so I can install xposed since ART doesn't work with it. If there's no battery difference, I'll just flash optimized dalvik and bionic patch and use dalvik.
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There are already at least 2 existing threads for this topic in the General forum HERE and HERE.
Please search first before creating new threads...
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I just found out that our devices are compatible with ART Runtime. I just enabled it and it hasn't been long enough to notice any improvements. Has anyone enabled it and what are your impressions?
NoFanboy said:
I just found out that our devices are compatible with ART Runtime. I just enabled it and it hasn't been long enough to notice any improvements. Has anyone enabled it and what are your impressions?
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I felt what I thought was a noteworthy increase in speed on my Galaxy Nexus when I switched to ART, but my M8 is so fast I imagine any performance increases are less visible.
Aware me?
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U WOT M8?
Art seems really fast, apps faster
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