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I have to applaud HTC for somewhat following development of their device. They added a toggle to change the behavior of the recent app button so there's no need to mod it. On CR 4.5 I also have 770mb of ram visible. Maybe they did some optimization. Even multitasking is a tad better without Scott's multitasking mod.
I have a bug that shows "G" when I'm on HSPA+ but doesn't really affect speeds.
Overall I would say this OTA is quite good. The overall feel is much snappier.
Edit: ok, so the multitasking is pretty boss so far. The last 4 apps were still cached after not touching phone for 30 minutes. It COULD be placebo but god damn I'm enjoying 4.0.4.
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I'm happy to see this review, as I'm planning on upgrading from CleanROM 4.2 to 4.5 asap. However, I'm not sure that this mini-review is so much about the newest Sense as it is about CleanROM. How can you be sure that the upgrades that you're noticing aren't from Scott's work, not baked into Sense?
The recent button behavior swap is new from stock 4.0.4. The RAM increase has to be from HTC directly because we have no kernel source.
As for multitasking, I'm doing a little bit of assuming. Scott likes to put his mods separate from the rom itself so people can choose what they like. Only EQS, 4G icon and some ATT specific mods were included in the CleanMod install. On top of that, this is the best multitasking I've seen on any rom. If Scott DID do something with the multitasking I'll be glad to be corrected.
Either way, everyone wins with this update.
EDIT: HSPA+ with 2.09 radio, I'm getting speeds I normally get on speed test. I hear people have problems with LTE? Not sure.
Here's a screen shot of the ram
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So does it mean it comes with a new kernel?
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Yes i think so
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Here's a screen shot of the ram
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Oooooh. Shiny!
I wonder if CM10/AOKP can take advantage of this new kernel?
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That's awesome. I got 672 total on mine only. Notice a difference in speed?
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belyle said:
I'm happy to see this review, as I'm planning on upgrading from CleanROM 4.2 to 4.5 asap. However, I'm not sure that this mini-review is so much about the newest Sense as it is about CleanROM. How can you be sure that the upgrades that you're noticing aren't from Scott's work, not baked into Sense?
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I used stock 2.23, I can confirm those sense options are from stock. Also, I noticed the interfacei n general is much smoother and snappier. They also added a fade effect when turning pages on the home screen which is nice.
So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.
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So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.
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I think that's just gravy. No 4.0.3 based rom even comes close to the multitasking that the leaked 4.0.4 has. They must have tweaked their extremely aggressive memory management to allow much better memory management. Of course YMMV, but I've just been testing it over the course of the day. Most of the apps within the first 4-5 slots can get cached no problem if you press home.
People complain, but this might be the reason why HTC have not released their kernel. HOX IS their flagship, so maybe they didn't want to release a crippled kernel for HOXL users. I'm very impressed that they are listening to community feedback.
How's battery life with the multitasking change?
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So wait, HTC freed up about 100mb of RAM with this latest leak? That's awesome! I think I'm gonna have to update my ROM now, still on CleanROM SE 2.6.
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Yeah HTC freed up a whole lot of ram and I've noticed the Sense Launcher transition is slightly altered. Overall, much snappier!
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It's not a leak, it is an official update for HTC Asia xl, for Singtel Singapore.
I noticed the clock app now remembers what tab you were on, eg alarms.
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I noticed the clock app now remembers what tab you were on, eg alarms.
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That was my biggest pet peeve!
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ECEXCURSION said:
That was my biggest pet peeve!
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Yea same, I think it was on a lot of peoples lists as a silly thing.
It is nice now that it is fixed!
Another thing I noticed is that the contacts "Updates" and "Gallery" now populate with stuff from Facebook, rather than just infinitely saying "Loading".
Does 4.0.4 fix the static/hiss problem when playing music from the headphone out as mentioned in this thread?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1720212
If it does then i'm sold. Looking to get rid of my GS3 for this - which although wonderful, doesn't play well with my network and drains way too quickly on standby + HSPA.
Can someone please tell me what the kernel build date is?
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Does 4.0.4 fix the static/hiss problem when playing music from the headphone out as mentioned in this thread?:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1720212
If it does then i'm sold. Looking to get rid of my GS3 for this - which although wonderful, doesn't play well with my network and drains way too quickly on standby + HSPA.
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I've never had this problem and I use my headphones to listen to music and podcasts every single day. tested with both beats on and off, using both my IEMs and headphones and still no hiss.
rohan32 said:
Can someone please tell me what the kernel build date is?
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July 12.
If you haven't already heard about it.. 'SEEDER', new amazing App. Made my phone a good 3x faster. If you are rooted it can be found in the app store. I flashed the .ZIP. You can find it online here. http://www.droid-life.com/2013/01/0...n-nexus-7-and-others-with-seeder-application/
P.S this work with any Android device. Have fun
Yes I know this should be in apps and themes but everyone deserves to see this, especially us Tbolt guys.
This has been proven to be a placebo affect. I have tested it for almost 3 days now and it doesn't really help at all. Also someone mentioned in that forum it doesn't work properly with snapdragon processors because the rndg is different than others. If it does help at all I think it would help more for the lag that comes from not rebooting for a long period of time.
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disconnecktie said:
This has been proven to be a placebo affect. I have tested it for almost 3 days now and it doesn't really help at all. Also someone mentioned in that forum it doesn't work properly with snapdragon processors because the rndg is different than others. If it does help at all I think it would help more for the lag that comes from not rebooting for a long period of time.
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Proof? I am running liquid smooth and notice immediate improvement.
Here
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/entropy-seed-generator-not-all-its-hacked-up-to-be/
I have been using it with unsense and it hasn't really improved anything. No difference in performance without it either. Like I said it's a placebo caused by the fact that the tweak actually wakes your processor repeatedly which is why your phone seems to react better. You can use it if you like but it is really just a battery drainer. You can get the same performance increase by setting your governor on performance.
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If you haven't already heard about it.. 'SEEDER', new amazing App. Made my phone a good 3x faster. If you are rooted it can be found in the app store. I flashed the .ZIP. You can find it online here. http://www.droid-life.com/2013/01/0...n-nexus-7-and-others-with-seeder-application/
P.S this work with any Android device. Have fun
Yes I know this should be in apps and themes but everyone deserves to see this, especially us Tbolt guys.
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What rom are you running?
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I ran it on nu sense and it drained my battery and noticed no improvement in speed. You see an increase because you want to see an increase. Its like throttle body spacers people puts on their cars. Suppose to improve performance and increase fuel mileage. They do no such thing but make a nice paper weight. People who had them swear they could feel an increase. One guy put his truck on a dyno and tested with it on and with it off. His results was with it on he lost a few hp. This is why butt dynos are so inaccurate because we make our selves believe we can see and feel a difference. When in fact there isn't.
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I've been using the seeder apk for a few days now and have noticed a decrease in input lag for sure. I also noticed a decrease in battery life when using the phone.
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I've been using the seeder apk for a few days now and have noticed a decrease in input lag for sure. I also noticed a decrease in battery life when using the phone.
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Like I mentioned in my earlier post. It cause a wake lock on the processor making it wake repeatedly which is the likely reason that anyone notices anything. It in no way shape or form affects entropy which was the original intent of the app. Google has also stated that the very issue this is supposed to fix was actually fixed with the release of ICS. Try it on a gb rom and see if it actually works. Also, after you run it for a few days disable it and see if there is a decrease in performance. I've ran it for about three days and there is no difference without it running.
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I am on Liquid Smooth 3.2 GB... and there is no doubt a BIG difference. No joke.. IDK about sense ROMS but, this literally is amazing.
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I am on Liquid Smooth 3.2 GB... and there is no doubt a BIG difference. No joke.. IDK about sense ROMS but, this literally is amazing.
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Google devs have stated that there was an issue with entropy in gb roms so there is no doubt that it probably helps it.
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I have installed Seeder on my Gingerbread (SkyRaider Zeus) Thunderbolt and 4.2.1 Galaxy Tab 10.1.
In neither case has it improved speed, launching or operations.
I wanted to believe. In my testing, i call it wishful thinking.
I have updated to Android 4.4 and I'm testing ART.
I haven't noticed if the phone is faster and my battery lasts less!
Have you tested it? How does it work for you?
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I have updated to Android 4.4 and I'm testing ART.
I haven't noticed if the phone is faster and my battery lasts less!
Have you tested it? How does it work for you?
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Another person created a thread with the same question, ART vs Dalvik. You could use that thread for information, or post your doubts there.
ART made my battery life incredibly good, with KitKat. Now i spend about 20% a day with max usage.
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My batterylife is also much better with ART. Phone 'feels' more snappy too.
too bad exposed does not work with art
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too bad exposed does not work with art
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I'm under Art and using Xposed with a couple of modules and working fine.
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I'm under Art and using Xposed with a couple of modules and working fine.
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No you are not, xposed resets your phone to dalvik.
Which I guess also would mean there is not a user noticeable difference between art and dalvik
I just switched to ART from dalvik, haven't notice any difference, Gee was fast even in dalvik environment.
Can't tell anything about battery yet.
I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5. I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5. I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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Either will do battery drain based on usage and the kind of usage. I personally use ART, no real issues of battery drain. If you observe severe drain, you can always try one of the great custom kernels floating around, great developers and can really maximize battery life more even for Nexus 5 battery.
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I've heard the battery kinda sucks on the nexus 5.
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What are you basing this on? Just general perception? Or just a sweeping generalisation which applies to all Nexus 5's....
I'm wondering if ART improves it significantly or just a bit compared to optimized dalvik.
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ART is going to eventually replace dalvik, but still in its infancy. It's not going to be a magic bullet to suddenly double your battery life, otherwsie we'd all be doing it..
How much difference it will make will vary for your usage, but I doubt it will be 'significant'. It could even make things worse. Experiment and see for yourself.
Battery life is based on how you use your device. It varies so much because there are so many variables, not just ART / dalvik.
It is still bound by the laws of physics...you can work out and understand what is using your battery before assuming that it must be awful or drain.
But in summary no, change your perception first: unless you actually have a defective unit, the battery does not just 'kinda suck'....
I'm just curious because of different articles I've seen, I haven't received my devices yet. I own a nexus 7 and I'm use to the battery life I get from it.
Only reason why I'm wondering is so I can install xposed since ART doesn't work with it. If there's no battery difference, I'll just flash optimized dalvik and bionic patch and use dalvik.
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There are already at least 2 existing threads for this topic in the General forum HERE and HERE.
Please search first before creating new threads...
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Just like the Title implies. I am trying to get a good idea on what runtime users perfer.
I like ART but its a batter killer and some apps are not compatible. Luckily I am not concerned about incompatible apps because I have not come across one that I use.
I would like to know what you use...
Do you prefer Art or Dalvik and why?
Everyone is encouraged to join in... Even if from another forum :highfive:
I use ART, though I'm not entirely convinced it does anything. Especially for my piece of **** device
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monkor said:
I use ART, though I'm not entirely convinced it does anything. Especially for my piece of **** device
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What device, the Sensation?
Prolly not. ART is really designed for high end devices. I dont know much about the sensation though...
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What device, the Sensation?
Prolly not. ART is really designed for high end devices. I dont know much about the sensation though...
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768MB of pure RAM and sex appeal! ART is supposed to help memory challenged devices such as mine. My Nexus 4 broke, but I definitely noticed the difference in terms of RAM savings then. On this device, I don't. You like it on the M8?
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Dalvik across all maintained devices..
Lim Wee Huat said:
Dalvik across all maintained devices..
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Cool!
monkor said:
768MB of pure RAM and sex appeal! ART is supposed to help memory challenged devices such as mine. My Nexus 4 broke, but I definitely noticed the difference in terms of RAM savings then. On this device, I don't. You like it on the M8?
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See, I thought ART was supposed to use more memory
ON the M8, which is already stupid fast... It really brought it up a notch.
The best way to describe it is that apps load almost instantly. Its like the device is clocked to 3GHZ or something... It really is that notable.
Art
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Dalvik. As others have said I've really seen no difference in performance or smoothness I haven't tested long enough to test battery. Maybe furture android versions might have better use for ART they still don't consider it fully functional I thought almost like beta phase maybe.
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Dalvik, for broader compatibility, and to be able to use Xposed Framework. Battery life is so amazing the purported gains of ART don't make it worth the loss of being able to make modifications.
My name's Harold and I'm a flashaholic....
Dalvik. Art breaks too many things, and on the 4 devices I've tried it on the speed benefits are negligible.
Dalvik, one incompatible app is one too many. Stability is always my main priority!
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I prefer ART, but I need xposed so I'm on Dalvik. I personally see better battery on ART.
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Dalvik
I'm using ART, basically because it's newer. Newer must be better!
Right?!
Anyway, I have no idea what the difference is between the two, but I actually thought ART was supposed to *improve* battery life. At least I thought I read that was one of the missions of the project.
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Just to follow up, everything I can find on the net at the moment indicates ART should/does improve battery life. It's less of a strain on the CPU so that would make sense.
Scott you know a hell of a lot more about these devices than I ever will (and probably more than most of these internet sources) so if you say it's the opposite I'd be inclined to believe you.
I just switched to ART... Been about a week and I notice that there is no more lag when opening my keyboard and no lag when swyping... Only app I see crash so far is quadrant but no biggie....
Does ART effect the kernel possibilities? I want to try faux again but don't know if it will cause a reload of everything if it breaks
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I'm not using ART because frankly on this phone it's not necessary. It's just as fast without ART as it is with it, unlike my DNA. and I use Xposed framework modules so it's a no brainer for me
I don't even have the ART option
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fireguy0306 said:
I don't even have the ART option
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I use dalvic cause I am too lazy to change over
@fireguy0306 the ART option is under < developer options/Select runtime =]
JelloB said:
Just to follow up, everything I can find on the net at the moment indicates ART should/does improve battery life. It's less of a strain on the CPU so that would make sense.
Scott you know a hell of a lot more about these devices than I ever will (and probably more than most of these internet sources) so if you say it's the opposite I'd be inclined to believe you.
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I'm far from knowing everything. I just read one article and it show battery drain statitistcs of art and dalvik on identical devices set up identically. Art drain was higher.
I dont know this test to be as all conclusive so take it with a grain of salt.
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I just switched to ART... Been about a week and I notice that there is no more lag when opening my keyboard and no lag when swyping... Only app I see crash so far is quadrant but no biggie....
Does ART effect the kernel possibilities? I want to try faux again but don't know if it will cause a reload of everything if it breaks
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Art should not affect kernel. But I aslo see the gians you see. The keyboard is just one. Wake time to home screen is another, launching any app is amazingly faster.
Rushing said:
I use dalvic cause I am too lazy to change over
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A man after my own heart!
The reason I ask is on my next ROM build I want to include items that I know will not be ART compatible. Such as Xposed...
So I wanted to gauge the efficacy of ART vs Dalvik on the M8.