made ya look!
bought an m8. eagerly awaiting cyanogenmod.
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made ya look!
bought an m8. eagerly awaiting cyanogenmod.
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Ugghhhhhh
Who is working on Cm anyways?
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Ugghhhhhh
Who is working on Cm anyways?
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"Marketed as The New HTC One, this device (m8) is the successor to the m7. H8rift, toastcfh, deck, invisiblek and other CM maintainers have already taken up the challenge to bringing CM to this device. No builds yet to share, but we will keep you updated as things progress."
from http://www.cyanogenmod.org/blog/this-week-in-cm-apr-12-2014
invisblek and the others are the bomb, so i have high expectations and rightly so.
(is it odd that the first thing i did was s-off before even logging into google and such)
Why no love for Sense!?
master_o_trunks said:
Why no love for Sense!?
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I'mwith you,enjoying sense, but I'll never turndown more development , thanks to the cm crew
master_o_trunks said:
Why no love for Sense!?
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So I don't mind sense. But I downloaded a stock ish Rom yesterday and it was 1.2 GB
That's 1 Gb more than cm of stuff I don't use. I like very lean roms that occupy less space and are highly performant.
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Why no love for Sense!?
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Sense is awesome. Much more functionality and customization than AOSP although I sometimes do have the urge of running minimalistic AOSP.
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I had cm on Verizon galaxy nexus! I started getting upset at the time it took to get to stable builds.
I doubt AOSP will be able to make the Duo Camera work. So, no special effects like focusing on different parts and other junk like that.
Might as well stick with Sense 6. It seems to be working very well so far.
surprisingly enough i dont mind sense...not the case with that steaming load Samsung calls Touchwiz. I would like to get back to aosp roms but i want the sense camera or one that can utilize the dual camera functions. That wont be long off...htc release the api for the dual camera so there will be options soon enough
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I doubt AOSP will be able to make the Duo Camera work. So, no special effects like focusing on different parts and other junk like that.
Might as well stick with Sense 6. It seems to be working very well so far.
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HTC wants 3rd party development on the camera. They released an SDK. That may help.
http://www.xda-developers.com/android/htc-releases-dual-lens-sdk-for-the-htc-one-m8-2014/
My issues with sense revolves around the lockscreen and how it handles notification sounds.
With sense in place dashclock, which I prefer, I can't replace the stock lockscreen. Even using AOSP lock screen on Viper is not optimal since my tasker script does not allow me to situationally disable/reenable the lock screen.
There seems to be an issue on how sense handles notifications. I use a third party app to give me situational sound profiles, similar to what is offered in CM. When using it with sense I don't get reliable results. The built in sound profiles in sense aren't flexible enough.
Maybe I've just been using AOSP too long but I find sense too restrictive for how I use my phone.
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surprisingly enough i dont mind sense...not the case with that steaming load Samsung calls Touchwiz. I would like to get back to aosp roms but i want the sense camera or one that can utilize the dual camera functions. That wont be long off...htc release the api for the dual camera so there will be options soon enough
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can the gpe on the international edition not utilize the dual camera functions? if it can, i don;t see why aosp roms cannot just keep the camera driver and the camera app from gpe.
sense is a million times better than the touchwiz garbage, but nothing is a little better than sense.
I'm taking a # ....
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can the gpe on the international edition not utilize the dual camera functions? if it can, i don;t see why aosp roms cannot just keep the camera driver and the camera app from gpe.
sense is a million times better than the touchwiz garbage, but nothing is a little better than sense.
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i havent tried GPE but my guess is no. GPE is straight up aosp and the dual camera software is part of sense 6...not aosp
Gator Brah said:
surprisingly enough i dont mind sense...not the case with that steaming load Samsung calls Touchwiz. I would like to get back to aosp roms but i want the sense camera or one that can utilize the dual camera functions. That wont be long off...htc release the api for the dual camera so there will be options soon enough
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I actually LIKE Sense (and completely agree about TouchWiz.) I have liked Sense back to the earliest versions but CyanogenMod has been my daily driver for a very long time. I am delighted to see Invisiblek is on the M8 project, I hope CM will be here soon and I'll be switching ROMs as I did with my Galaxy S3 and S4, running CyanogenMod until a problem shows up in a nightly and then switching back to Andybone's most excellent Bonestock ROM until CM gets fixed again. Eventually, CM became perfect (for me) on the Galaxy phones and I could stop switching and I know that's what will happen with the M8.
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i havent tried GPE but my guess is no. GPE is straight up aosp and the dual camera software is part of sense 6...not aosp
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"Frankly, it'd be silly to have extra hardware on a phone that's completely unusable, so the Google Play edition will still take advantage of the Duo Camera functionality. Predictably, the app itself is the stock Google version, but the HTC magic comes out as soon as you enter the Photos app and try editing your shots. You'll be prompted to open up "HTC Photo Edit," and you'll see a screen that looks much like what you'd find in the Sense gallery, but with fewer options: UFocus, Dimension Plus and Touch Up are the only Duo Camera-esque effects listed, which means the Foregrounder, Seasons and Copy/Paste functions didn't make the cut. (Filters, frames and tools are still hanging out on the right sidebar.) UFocus is our favorite of the Duo Camera options, so we're glad to see it there, but Dimension Plus is a useless and gimmicky feature that we just don't use very often."
from http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/08/htc-one-m8-google-play-edition/
it seems like the driver and photo editing software that is the real key behind dual cameras is on gpe so those should port over seamlessly to aosp based roms.
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I doubt AOSP will be able to make the Duo Camera work. So, no special effects like focusing on different parts and other junk like that.
Might as well stick with Sense 6. It seems to be working very well so far.
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actually, they've opened up the API for the cam and the GPE edition uses it, so there IS hope..
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i havent tried GPE but my guess is no. GPE is straight up aosp and the dual camera software is part of sense 6...not aosp
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so you're saying they built a phone with hardware not utilized by the software?
i dont see a reason for the dual camera not to work on the GPE edition.
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"Frankly, it'd be silly to have extra hardware on a phone that's completely unusable, so the Google Play edition will still take advantage of the Duo Camera functionality. Predictably, the app itself is the stock Google version, but the HTC magic comes out as soon as you enter the Photos app and try editing your shots. You'll be prompted to open up "HTC Photo Edit," and you'll see a screen that looks much like what you'd find in the Sense gallery, but with fewer options: UFocus, Dimension Plus and Touch Up are the only Duo Camera-esque effects listed, which means the Foregrounder, Seasons and Copy/Paste functions didn't make the cut. (Filters, frames and tools are still hanging out on the right sidebar.) UFocus is our favorite of the Duo Camera options, so we're glad to see it there, but Dimension Plus is a useless and gimmicky feature that we just don't use very often."
from http://www.engadget.com/2014/04/08/htc-one-m8-google-play-edition/
it seems like the driver and photo editing software that is the real key behind dual cameras is on gpe so those should port over seamlessly to aosp based roms.
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good info!
Abe21599 said:
so you're saying they built a phone with hardware not utilized by the software?
i dont see a reason for the dual camera not to work on the GPE edition.
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See quoted post above yours. Give it time young grasshopper... Development will happen for the dual camera
I'm dying for some aosp. Gpe is nice but I'm waiting for the can to be more stable
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I just wanted to put this out there since people seem to be asking about it time after time.
I enjoy the Sense camera. It is probably my favourite feature of Sense. I also do not like the Camera in AOSP ROMs. It is one of my most hated features of AOSP. But, we cannot at this point have the Sense Camera in AOSP ROMs. I will explain why below.
In the Sense Camera's APK (Package File) the Sense Camera, much like other applications, uses APIs which reference specific parts of the ROM its running. For example, in Holo-looking apps, all the stuff drawn for the most part is not coded into there using images. Instead, it references the image files and layouts from the framework of ICS ROMs (which is also why Holo apps will probably never work on GB either).
This is very similar to the situation that the Sense camera on AOSP is in. Sense is not just a "skin" sitting atop Android. It is integrated directly into the framework of the ROM. It contains APIs that are not usually present in AOSP ROMs. Because of this, it is impossible currently to run the Sense camera in the AOSP environment. However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
If you want the Sense Camera, then use a Sense based ROM. You will most probably never be able to run the Sense camera on AOSP ROMs.
For now, in AOSP I am using "UCam" from the market. It has a bunch of the features from the Sense camera that I enjoy.
Thx rohan. I appreciate all your work. I have aokp as a nandroid right now on my phone but am back on cleanrom just because of the camera. The rest of the rom is amazing. I will give ucam a shot.
Does video work with it?
Nm just restored. Can't connect to camera error with video.
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I just wanted to put this out there since people seem to be asking about it time after time.
I enjoy the Sense camera. It is probably my favourite feature of Sense. I also do not like the Camera in AOSP ROMs. It is one of my most hated features of AOSP. But, we cannot at this point have the Sense Camera in AOSP ROMs. I will explain why below.
In the Sense Camera's APK (Package File) the Sense Camera, much like other applications, uses APIs which reference specific parts of the ROM its running. For example, in Holo-looking apps, all the stuff drawn for the most part is not coded into there using images. Instead, it references the image files and layouts from the framework of ICS ROMs (which is also why Holo apps will probably never work on GB either).
This is very similar to the situation that the Sense camera on AOSP is in. Sense is not just a "skin" sitting atop Android. It is integrated directly into the framework of the ROM. It contains APIs that are not usually present in AOSP ROMs. Because of this, it is impossible currently to run the Sense camera in the AOSP environment. However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
If you want the Sense Camera, then use a Sense based ROM. You will most probably never be able to run the Sense camera on AOSP ROMs.
For now, in AOSP I am using "UCam" from the market. It has a bunch of the features from the Sense camera that I enjoy.
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Thanks for posting this. As a huge fan of the Sense camera app, it's disappointing to read, but it's also good to know the technical details behind the limitations.
Not to mention proprietary drivers for the image sense chip. You won't get those either.
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I'm in love with Nocturnal's Senseless ROM at the moment.
Which, while I'm sure is built upon sense, has a nearly complete AOSP look and feel....and has the awesome sense camera UI.
A worthy compromise?
I'm so glad that this thread exists. I assumed that this was the reason that I hadn't seen the Sense camera ported to any AOSP ROM and having it confirmed just puts my mind at ease. Now I don't need to keep hunting and waiting. I've been trying out UCam and it's been working pretty great. I still miss the tight integration with the image chip and can notice a difference between the Sense camera and other apps, but I figure it's just a compromise I have to make to get all the best features of custom ROMs.
I would love to see this exist! If someone can point me in the direction of where to learn I'm sure I could try!
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However, if someone was to decompile the Sense camera and edit the smali (probably one of the hardest things to do and also the most annoying) then we could run it. But thats nearly impossible since you would need to edit the smali directly since there is no source code for the Sense parts.
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Thanks for the great explanation.
You used to be around the Xoom forums when it was first released, right? That smali editing sounds like what BRD did to give us those amazing Tiamat ROMs early on.
Would a bounty thread help? I'll start it off with $50!
Billy
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Thanks rohan for the detailed explanation.
We just need this guy to make a gingerMODesk rom for the One X. Basically the most AOSPed ROM you can get without the lack of the nice features from the SGS2 Touchwisz rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220283
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We just need this guy to make a gingerMODesk rom for the One X. Basically the most AOSPed ROM you can get without the lack of the nice features from the SGS2 Touchwisz rom
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1220283
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Thats basically one of the cleanROMs that scott makes (i forget what its called... developer mode? something)
what other camera app uses the image sense chip in our HOX
RE: Rohan
Hey Rohan, First thanks for all the work you are doing.
I meant no disrespect when I expressed my concerns. I was just curious if this could be done. I understand the situation much better now, and thanks for the further clarification.
Keep up the good work.
Honestly not having the Sense camera is whats holding me back from flashing other roms, you really never know how good it is till you use other rom cameras.
I take a lot of pics (instagram junkie) and when I compare pic quality its almost night and day. There are some great - teriffic roms out, but the sense camera is just that good.
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Honestly not having the Sense camera is whats holding me back from flashing other roms, you really never know how good it is till you use other rom cameras.
I take a lot of pics (instagram junkie) and when I compare pic quality its almost night and day. There are some great - teriffic roms out, but the sense camera is just that good.
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We had a discussion about this over in the AOKP thread:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=29914879&postcount=1417
Long story short - a lot of what makes the Sense camera better is the fact it automatically sharpens the image and does a bit of noise reduction.
In MIUI V5 they use sense camera, and I dont think MIUI is based on sense framework. Is it? If not how have they done it?
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In MIUI V5 they use sense camera, and I dont think MIUI is based on sense framework. Is it? If not how have they done it?
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But it is sense based
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Honestly, the only thing I really am missing from Sense camera is slow-motion. I want that on my N5 so bad. I used it a lot actually.
My HOXl for your Nexus?
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I fell in love with Sense 3 on my Evo 3D, but I think I'm over it now. I'm tired of the behemoth ROM downloads, etc.
However, I am in love with this fast focus, pic in video, etc camera that this One S has stock. What can I do ROM wise to cut the fat but keep the amazing camera? I want CM10, but the camera sucks. I understand that the camera is probably something sense framework related isn't it?
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I fell in love with Sense 3 on my Evo 3D, but I think I'm over it now. I'm tired of the behemoth ROM downloads, etc.
However, I am in love with this fast focus, pic in video, etc camera that this One S has stock. What can I do ROM wise to cut the fat but keep the amazing camera? I want CM10, but the camera sucks. I understand that the camera is probably something sense framework related isn't it?
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Look at the Sense-based ROMs under the development forum. You won't find anything like it in AOSP/AOKP.
Try sense based miui (there are 2 different ones, make sure you get sense based). Personally not a miui user, but sounds like what you may be looking for.
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Try sense based miui (there are 2 different ones, make sure you get sense based). Personally not a miui user, but sounds like what you may be looking for.
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I'll try that out, normally I wouldn't but I'm intrigued on this phone. I can't imagine how sense would mesh with that.
I'm blown away by this camera though. Not to veer the thread off too far but anyone know how to do the burst mode? I found something about limit to 20 shots per second or something like that, but I can't get it to burst
Just keep holding the shutter button down and it will start bursting until you left you finger or reach the limit
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Ahh good , I was expecting mode
Found a great solution to my problem I got Viper One S ROM and unchecked Sense. Kept the lock Ring and the awesome camera
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Found a great solution to my problem I got Viper One S ROM and unchecked Sense. Kept the lock Ring and the awesome camera
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Yeah I was running that for a while. Still doesn't match the speed & smoothness of JB/CM10 (IMO) but true it does give you perks from both. Good news is we get official JB within the next month, so won't have to compromise much longer :victory:
So when official One S JB comes out then cyanogenmod can have the stock camera? I've been running Trickdroid but there's no updates on that and my phone starts to run like crap after a couple weeks. Just put CM10 Back on today, and forgot no good camera.
cm10 camera can do burst mode, but it's very clunky and in the menu.
Hey all,
Currently I'm running an HTC Sense device.
I know that the sense camera is awesome to its AOSP counterparts.
Is the GS3 the same way?
I thought Samsung a "more" of a commitment to open source; or is the RLS (type rom) just the best way to go for this device?
Thanks in advance..
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Hey all,
Currently I'm running an HTC Sense device.
I know that the sense camera is awesome to its AOSP counterparts.
Is the GS3 the same way?
I thought Samsung a "more" of a commitment to open source; or is the RLS (type rom) just the best way to go for this device?
Thanks in advance..
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I didn't see as big a difference on my evo but I do on the gs3
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I've done a few side-by-sides while flashing back and forth. I can't tell the difference personally. The big difference is the volume in the camcorder app though, it's about 1/2 the volume if recorded using the TW camera.
So you find the camcorder to be lower/quieter via TW than AOSP?
What about phone (ear) and speaker phone volume?
The AOSP camera has a noticeably greater shutter lag and lacks the anti-shake feature which is really helpful.
i have flashed back and forth for a long time and TW camera is just a better camera hands down. Ive tested over and over again and the aosp just doesnt add up. Anyone tried the 4.3 aosp cam yet???
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i have flashed back and forth for a long time and TW camera is just a better camera hands down. Ive tested over and over again and the aosp just doesnt add up. Anyone tried the 4.3 aosp cam yet???
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I tried the 4.3 camera and didn't like the lack of settings and photosphere did not work for me on CM10.1.
I personally am not a fan of the touchwiz camera, and have used camera zoom fx for the longest while. I just recently began using the aosp 4.2 camera and have grown to really love it's simplicity and picture quality. Swiping to the right to access the gallery is just awesome. I did test the 4.3 camera and really did not like it. It had a lack of options (though it is a leak) and got fc's when switching from front to back cameras.
With any camera, it's all about knowing is options and layout and making your knowledge of the app work for you. Currently aosp is the clear winner for me.
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I personally am not a fan of the touchwiz camera, and have used camera zoom fx for the longest while. I just recently began using the aosp 4.2 camera and have grown to really love it's simplicity and picture quality. Swiping to the right to access the gallery is just awesome. I did test the 4.3 camera and really did not like it. It had a lack of options (though it is a leak) and got fc's when switching from front to back cameras.
With any camera, it's all about knowing is options and layout and making your knowledge of the app work for you. Currently aosp is the clear winner for me.
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Is the volume issue finally fixed when rec. Video on aosp? That was my biggest concern..
S4 I337
LuRock said:
Is the volume issue finally fixed when rec. Video on aosp? That was my biggest concern..
S4 I337
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Not sure on that as I almost never record video, but now I'm curious..
For me at least, the TW camera is why I have not flashed any AOSP based ROM. I just love the TW cam to much. I also use my camera a lot which is why I won't let TW go.
I'm not smart enough to do it myself.. however, I am still amazed that no one has been able to work out how to convert an i9505 into a i9505G. I know the partition layout is different, and I also know that there are ported 4.3 GE roms available.. BUT all of that aside.. has Samsung won the war here?
Which leads me to a separate subject.. but.. their knox efuse.. while it hasn't been long.. it looks like they have won there as well.
In any case.. I'm more interested in the conversion to i9505G. Does anyone know more than I do about the status or possibility of ever being able to convert a i9505 to a i9505G?
Well.. This is not as easy as you may think.
Need someone who has both I9505 and I9505G. Also need special connection to I9505 like JTAG to get direct access to flash. Then using JTAG try to dump whole flash from I9505G and upload it to I9505. And then depend on success and whole result, procedure can be simplified.
But JTAG is required at experiment stage if you are not so rich who can afford to buy tens (if not hundred) I9505 while experimenting
A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
Samsung secured the bootloader very agressively .
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That's why i've mentioned JTAG. Google JTAG if you wanna know what is that.
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A full conversion (think about bootloader,radio) is not possible.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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People said a reset of the flash counter was not possible.. @Chainfire was able to take care of that just fine..
I doubt it's impossible.. but I wonder how many people have even tried, or if there are even more than a handful of people with the skills needed to make this happen.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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I tried everything except for jtag + bootloader exploit. Even hardbricked my S4 1 time.
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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Thats very sad to hear, would this mean we will never have a full ported/working edition of google on our phones? shall I sell my phone and move to a nexus? or simply buy the original i9505G?
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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I sold my AT&T SGH-I337 GS4 and got an I-9505G. Best decision I ever made.
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Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
Easton999GS said:
Why? Now you cant ever run TW roms now... But on the SGH 1337 you can run both roms
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I couldn't care less about running ROMs. I unlocked the bootloader but otherwise I leave my devices stock and unrooted. I know how to root and install ROMs but once I knew how, my curiosity was satisfied.
Honestly, I have had Nexus devices my entire Android life. I decided to branch out and try a GS4 with Touchwiz. I really liked my I337, so much in fact, that I also ended up purchasing a Galaxy Note 8.0 as well. There are definitely things in Touchwiz that I'd love to see Google add to the stock user experience. I'm referring to things like air view and having separate wallpapers for the home and lock screens. Alas, though, when you've used stock Android as much as I have, it's hard to use anything else.
The only thing I truly miss about Touchwiz is the camera app. The camera was simply amazing. The other things that are important to me, namely the IR blaster and the S-View cover functionality, both work flawlessly on the I9505G.
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android. And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
I would think about I9505G over I9505 only as device with bigger user storage running custom TW ROM, but it looks like not much success here.
From other side, you can buy 32GB version of I9505 and don't think about 16GB-only I9505G.
But hey, there are SHV-E330 and GT-I9506 already
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What i dislike most in stock Android is halo theme. It's really ugly. Micro check-boxes. Ugly seek-bars. Alert dialogs are too flat and sketchy. Halo theme looks more like concept than theme for daily usage.
TouchWiz theme was odd originally in time of SGS2, but it was getting better and better. On SGS4 it's nearly perfect. May be some elements like ViewPager and title bar need to reworks somehow. But overall it's way better theme than Halo. Also, there are many useful addons in TW ROM like quick settings panel, nice looking lock screen with quick launch shortcuts on the bottom, and other small tweaks making TW ROM much more useful than naked Android.
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You mean Holo I believe. That's why I use stock Android. TW with its different colors, big buttons that are not even separated from others and mixed styles in applications is really crazy and a pain to use. For people that like to use a phone without distractions it's a plain and simple fail.
Nice to have options as we're all not the same, you keep your TW phone, I will keep my stock Android one.
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And it's easier to remove unneeded apps/services/tweaks from TW ROM than add them into naked Android.
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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I was taking you seriously until I read this. You think that removing system applications is easier than going to Google Play and download one? Yeah, sure!
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
If you think, it's not serious, then hold on and think first. May be other person, who is talking about this, knows something you don't know.
I'm not even talking about how serious people who are buying non-Nexus device and then whining about CM/AOSP in half of topics.
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Yeah.. It looks like your are really serious talking about replace TW features by 3rd party apps
Which app can replace lockscreen? None. It's impossible by android design. Only can mask some app as lockscreen which is completely different.
Having quick settings panel in on-going notification area? Phh..
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You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
In any case what you might consider essential I might consider a waste of resources.
That was the point of my post. That's why Android is a success.
And if you don't like to read people talking about changing non-Google devices you might be better off XDA.
XDA Developers was founded for developers by developers. It is now a valuable resource for people who want to make the most of their mobile devices, from customizing the look and feel to adding new functionality.
jcasares said:
You're considering rooting a device to freeze/remove system applications. I was talking about simply adding applications to a stock Android from Google Play. I fail to see the former being easier.
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If you are able to create custom ROM then removing unneeded apps (and even editing framework to cleanup from some useless features) is much easier than add absent functionality.
I suppose, we are on XDA, i.e. developer's forum right? If you are talking from regular user point of view who usually don't know what is "root", then it's out of scope of this board. Just buy Nexus device and then you are set.
jcasares said:
And here the "impossible":
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.teslacoilsw.widgetlocker&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=de.j4velin.notificationToggle&hl=en
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I've told you already: there is no way to truly replace lockscreen by any other application. Lockscreen is a part of framework, not APK. I'm using android devices not the first year, and believe me, i've tried these apps long long time ago. These apps mimic lockscreen using some security holes in OS, but they are not replacing lockscreen. Actually, device remains unlocked all the time. Also there are many bugs and glitches because such apps trying to suppress original lockscreen with different kinds of success/fail.
As for modifying device: there are many ways to modify and it's not exactly by installing CM/AOSP. You can check my topics to see that i'm not just user.
XDA has been created long time before CM/AOSP and believe me there are many other good ways to modify the device. CM/AOSP have their own dedicated forums and repositories which should suit your needs better than XDA (if you want to compete in pointing directions to others).
P.S.: look into I9505G forum to see how users begging to add samsung's standard camera app which doesn't work on non-TW ROM.
Suggest them to install some app from Google play
The same can tell about video player and amount of video and audio codecs integrated into TW ROM. On TW ROM i can use nearly any music player and able to playback almost any audio and video. On GE ROM you have to find special audio player having support of some specific format, and then try to get used to its bugs without choice to switch to another player. With video player it's even worse...
Also, CM/AOSP usually don't have tight integration when it comes to Hardware 3D acceleration. Some selected devices (usually Nexus and GE devices) have good 3D support, but only some.
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
sorg said:
The truth is: Some people wanna to install CM/AOSP and then they realize they miss many useful (usually not noticeable when it presents) features. That's why custom TW ROMs are present and have a lot or users.
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I never denied that TW based ROMs have value for some people, just that as well stock Android is much more attractive for others. If not we wouldn't be discussing this and you wouldn't see the kind of activity we see in this forum.
And I still disagree on the "easier" issue but I fail to see any benefit in continuing the discussion.
got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
spilksch said:
got a weird question... where's the am/pm display on the 12 hour clock for the i9505G rom that i installed? hmm...
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Look at the window?
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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andreqm said:
So this really isn't going anywhere?
HTC One has just been fully converted into the GPe.
I was really hoping there was some kind of solution for this conversion
Anyway, thanks for all the hard work guys!
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Why would you need to ? You have CM/TW/GE to choose from when using the i9505 partition layout. Took us a couple of hours to get KitKat after the GE got it (broodplank delivered AOSP 4.4 even earlier).
as the title says, i dont want to revert back to stock firmware, but would like to make use of the original camera app, since every other one doesnt really utilize the available hardware to its full potential...
painanddoom said:
as the title says, i dont want to revert back to stock firmware, but would like to make use of the original camera app, since every other one doesnt really utilize the available hardware to its full potential...
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As i know, i don't think you can, but try to use the Camera FV-5,looks very good to me
Have u tried my emui 4.0 camera port ?
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Well, for a fully working one...honorust provided the camera blop
Sheldd said:
As i know, i don't think you can, but try to use the Camera FV-5,looks very good to me
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Helped me.
gopinaidu77 said:
Have u tried my emui 4.0 camera port ?
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im not quite sure what you mean, but the hwcamera from either honor8 or p9 are not working on a CM ROM. it needs libs to actually be shown as an installed app.
i tried every proper camera app: cameringo+, retrica, fv5, camera-fx, open camera
and even silly ones: 360, candy camera
all of the above either dont run at all, produce sub-par results since they dont address the camera api/kernel properly, and none can capture video properly at min 30fps.
as long as this very decent camera in this phones pricerange isnt properly used in custom ROMS, im not even bothering with any builds. its just a waste of time, when the core selling point for this phone isnt working properly.
id love to keep using resurrectionremix, since i love that ROM, but as mentioned above - waste
painanddoom said:
im not quite sure what you mean, but the hwcamera from either honor8 or p9 are not working on a CM ROM. it needs libs to actually be shown as an installed app.
i tried every proper camera app: cameringo+, retrica, fv5, camera-fx, open camera
and even silly ones: 360, candy camera
all of the above either dont run at all, produce sub-par results since they dont address the camera api/kernel properly, and none can capture video properly at min 30fps.
as long as this very decent camera in this phones pricerange isnt properly used in custom ROMS, im not even bothering with any builds. its just a waste of time, when the core selling point for this phone isnt working properly.
id love to keep using resurrectionremix, since i love that ROM, but as mentioned above - waste
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This is something you deal with when you CM/aosp based roms. People think they can have their cake and eat it to. This is not the case. CM has had bad camera code for years and they really can't do anything about it without recording their libs and system from the ground up.