Shield KitKat emulator slowdowns - Shield Q&A

hi everyone,
i want to ask if anyone also has experienced slowdowns and framerate hiccups in certian emulators (MD.emu, NES.emu, SNES9X EX+...) since the OTA 72 like me? I allready made a full factoryn reset with no success

Hey same trouble here, same emulators. What's sad is it just seems to be slow enough to cheapen the experience. Like you get just a few dropped frames here and there or you can turn frameskip off and get horrible sound crackling. Funny, I did the same factory reset, too. This sucks I would hate to backtrack. I was really looking forward to being able to charge and still use my usb port.
And I just did some digging around the Shield forums before posting this. We are certainly not the only ones with this issue.
DarkJoker said:
hi everyone,
i want to ask if anyone also has experienced slowdowns and framerate hiccups in certian emulators (MD.emu, NES.emu, SNES9X EX+...) since the OTA 72 like me? I allready made a full factoryn reset with no success
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Jesse L said:
Hey same trouble here, same emulators. What's sad is it just seems to be slow enough to cheapen the experience. Like you get just a few dropped frames here and there or you can turn frameskip off and get horrible sound crackling. Funny, I did the same factory reset, too. This sucks I would hate to backtrack. I was really looking forward to being able to charge and still use my usb port.
And I just did some digging around the Shield forums before posting this. We are certainly not the only ones with this issue.
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Ah Darn yea I'm experiencing barely noticeable performance changes to my emulators, although very minor like you said it does cheapen the experience to a once nearly perfect experience minus the small audio latency in android.

What version of Android is on an out of box unit? I want one just for emulators, so if I buy one at Gamestop, I will not update.

I wrote to the developer of the .emu apps Robert Broglia and got the following answer:
Hi, this is a known issue and from my testing I found 2 problems with the 4.4 update:
1. The CPU speed decreases to very low levels if you don't push any buttons on the gamepad, causing dropped frames
2. The refresh rate is now incorrectly reported as 60.03Hz when it's actually 59.94Hz causing timing issues
I reported these problems to Nvidia and they said they're looking into it. Hopefully they can fix this in the next OS update.
Now i'm hoping that Nvidia is making an update soon to get rid of these bugs/problems.

DarkJoker said:
I wrote to the developer of the .emu apps Robert Broglia and got the following answer:
Hi, this is a known issue and from my testing I found 2 problems with the 4.4 update:
1. The CPU speed decreases to very low levels if you don't push any buttons on the gamepad, causing dropped frames
2. The refresh rate is now incorrectly reported as 60.03Hz when it's actually 59.94Hz causing timing issues
I reported these problems to Nvidia and they said they're looking into it. Hopefully they can fix this in the next OS update.
Now i'm hoping that Nvidia is making an update soon to get rid of these bugs/problems.
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if nvidia will fix this I am gonna eat a cow.

Is this an Nvidia Shield issue, or a 4.4 issue for all devices?

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Is this an Nvidia Shield issue, or a 4.4 issue for all devices?
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It's a 4.4 issue, you get less fps in 4.4 than in 4.3 and I'm soooo pissed cause I can't use my SD card. Could you downgrade the shield back to 4.3?

ALLEN2 said:
It's a 4.4 issue, you get less fps in 4.4 than in 4.3 and I'm soooo pissed cause I can't use my SD card. Could you downgrade the shield back to 4.3?
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I dont think its possible, i tried going back to 4.3 and it bricked my shield. I didnt spend much time on it but i think once youre on 4.4 youre stuck.

updated and rooted today -no emulators lag
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- root from github works (no superuser app was installed but it works without any just fine --donno how.. ok for me! )
- SD fix from NextApp works with no issues. It was the first thing I did and Folder Mount worked ok right after then next reboot.
- mounting points changed again.. now internal is on /storage/emulated/0 and SD is at /storage/sdcard1
- no emulators lag or anything unusual.. work great as before. No difference in frame rates for android games also.. everything as before. Also didn't noticed CPU scaling differently. Same interactive governor.. no hick-ups when using only touch...
- I previously had a random screen flicker on the left side of the display, when using overlay program like cool tools (as I run it all the time)-- in all 65-67-68 builds. Now it's gone
- 99% of my apps work ok after root and sd fix. (MC3 for example was the only one that now seems unsupported and it crashes at start. And on the market is gone for the shield.)
- more polished UI, bit more fluid. Boot time slightly better (for my ~200 apps or so).
- redesigned nvidia TegraZone (now more games options );
- GRID beta now works but I only tried grid (the racing game) -and it was not controller. Onlive still a much better alternative.
- even more mature GameMapper app
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- microphone doesn't work anymore (audalyzer, widgetsoid -rec button feature, smart voice recorder, voice search.. nada!). Strange..
- a bug that previously had on all builds it's still there: a while after reboot when I press the volume button then "+" and "-" buttons do not work.
- MC3 it's not supported anymore
- now testing another bug that I previously had: no matter the video player (I have MX and BS Player), when streaming a movie from my desktop or whatever (tried from laptop also), after about an hour or so of continuous streaming.. sudden reboot... i believe it's not a temperature issues, since locally (from sdcard) the movie played for 3 hours straight with the shield wrapped in a scarf and everything was ok. Router at work also tested. The sharing method it's via file browsers like fx explorer or ES (and tried both).. no SMB mount (I don't have a different kernel with cifs.. just share from windows and then browsed to the network drive).

Your mx player bug sounds a bit specific to your setup. I havent experienced that yet, i use mx myself, and have streamed several movies from my laptop and never had a reboot with 4.3 or 4.4.

ALLEN2 said:
It's a 4.4 issue, you get less fps in 4.4 than in 4.3 and I'm soooo pissed cause I can't use my SD card. Could you downgrade the shield back to 4.3?
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The only place I see concern about this is Shield forums. No reports of this for non Shield devices. Seems if a 4.4 issue in general for all devices, we would see a lot of folks posting, since a lot of forum dwellers notice these things. Even on non gaming type devices.
Does the Shield have 4.3 out of box and is there a way to turn off updating WITHOUT root?

Have you tried using retroarch instead of the paid ones?

I ordered one from Best Buy, since Gamestop has a no return policy. If still on 4.3 and I can stop updates without rooting, I will keep it.
I have little if any desire to play PC games on 5" display. I find the 10.6" display on my V11 Pro almost too small with Farcry, Halo and the Unreal Tournament games.
This will be a game emulator station for me.

I do love the kit kat update an all.. NVIDIA shield runs great on Stock android starting from 4.3 to kitkat, i can berely notice the difference in performance in the OS it self.. The problems arise in the emulators. Slowdowns, and sound crackling, more than the usual 1 or 2 in various emulators. Just like the other posters stated. It really does take away from the experience. Not sure if PC streaming is really effected much.. seem to run the same to me.... i only tried out real boxing for android games, that ran smooth still... haven't tried any other android game yet.... This caused me to Downgrade back to 4.3 using Shield RAM v1.0.. for those of you looking to downgrade back, hurry and get it while you can, before the develeper updates that great little Program using the latest kitkat update 72 from NVIDIA....

DJFresh82 said:
I do love the kit kat update an all.. NVIDIA shield runs great on Stock android starting from 4.3 to kitkat, i can berely notice the difference in performance in the OS it self.. The problems arise in the emulators. Slowdowns, and sound crackling, more than the usual 1 or 2 in various emulators. Just like the other posters stated. It really does take away from the experience. Not sure if PC streaming is really effected much.. seem to run the same to me.... i only tried out real boxing for android games, that ran smooth still... haven't tried any other android game yet.... This caused me to Downgrade back to 4.3 using Shield RAM v1.0.. for those of you looking to downgrade back, hurry and get it while you can, before the develeper updates that great little Program using the latest kitkat update 72 from NVIDIA....
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I would like to update a to 4.3, but absolutely not to 4.4. Was hoping 4.3 was on the device out of box, but has 4.2. Emulators are my main focus, so a performance hit and the sd issues are reasons to avoid 4.4.
Google is starting to suck real bad like Apple.

Fortunately Nvidia allows you to unlock your boot loader and root your device. With root, you can fix SD card issues and stutter problems for emulators by increasing the minimum frequency when using those apps
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eikast said:
Fortunately Nvidia allows you to unlock your boot loader and root your device. With root, you can fix SD card issues and stutter problems for emulators by increasing the minimum frequency when using those apps
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Confirmed here.. no need to downgrade any longer.... can have the latest kit kat with no more hick ups as far as emulation and SD Card goes... thanks again

DJFresh82 said:
Confirmed here.. no need to downgrade any longer.... can have the latest kit kat with no more hick ups as far as emulation and SD Card goes... thanks again
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Would you please try the GBA.emu with Castlevania Aria of Sorrow?
Please try it with, and without changing the cpu freqs. Also w/o frame skip.
Just skip all the text, and go right into the game where you're walking to the right and killing Zombies. If it doesn't lag I'd be amazed.
I'm asking about that emu and game, because it seemed like one of the hardest hit emulators that works perfectly well before KitKat.
I downgraded some time ago to 4.3, otherwise I would try myself. But I remember that game was unplayable with KitKat, and perfect on Jellybean.
My next question is, why isn't the Shield getting better battery life? (Because we think the cpu is less aggressive in KitKat)
For me it got worse in KitKat, streaming used to be an easy 6+ hours, now the Shield almost never reaches 4.5 hours SOT when doing anything!
I don't think it has anything to do with the CPU/governor (in general) I think it's something to do with the update.
Regardless, I'm pretty happy with Jellybean. There's a few things I wish I could do, like charge and USB host at the same time, but there's really not much that KitKat actually brought to the table that you can't use with Jellybean. (remote streaming, gamepad mapper)

CDeviant said:
Would you please try the GBA.emu with Castlevania Aria of Sorrow?
Please try it with, and without changing the cpu freqs. Also w/o frame skip.
Just skip all the text, and go right into the game where you're walking to the right and killing Zombies. If it doesn't lag I'd be amazed.
I'm asking about that emu and game, because it seemed like one of the hardest hit emulators that works perfectly well before KitKat.
I downgraded some time ago to 4.3, otherwise I would try myself. But I remember that game was unplayable with KitKat, and perfect on Jellybean.
My next question is, why isn't the Shield getting better battery life? (Because we think the cpu is less aggressive in KitKat)
For me it got worse in KitKat, streaming used to be an easy 6+ hours, now the Shield almost never reaches 4.5 hours SOT when doing anything!
I don't think it has anything to do with the CPU/governor (in general) I think it's something to do with the update.
Regardless, I'm pretty happy with Jellybean. There's a few things I wish I could do, like charge and USB host at the same time, but there's really not much that KitKat actually brought to the table that you can't use with Jellybean. (remote streaming, gamepad mapper)
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Hello, I feel your pain with the battery life after updating to kit kat.. i tried out Castlavania: Aria of Sorrow without any CPU cpu freqs changes and setting frameskip to 0.. I personally use my!boy.. but tried out the emu.gba, it's running smooth to me.. no frame skips what so ever.. My shield is Rooted with the SDFix.. Maybe that has something to do with it.. not sure.. but it runs smooth for me.. I won't reccomend to update to kit kat and it doesn't work out for you.. If your comfortable with Jelly bean, stick with that.. I downgraded from KitKat originally also, and went back to jellybean 4.3, that's what originally came with my shield when i baught it from Game stop.. I knew there would be some devs and talented other users that would fix these emulation issues with kitkat..
As far as the battery life goes.. I don't know the answer to that as of now... It does seem like it's an NVIDIA problem IMO also.. but I could be wrong about that one.. Just do what your comfortable with.. stay with Jellybean if everything is working the way it should for you... If you decide to update back to KitKat.. I suggest you root, and use the SDFIX app from the app store.. along with SET CPU for emus with the slow downs that eikast suggested (thanks again for that).. for now until NVIDIA releases another update for the shield... not sure how long that would be though....

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[Q] Will using a custom Rom solve my issues with the Transformer?

i have been an owner of the Transformer for just under a week, to be honest i think its a let down.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
I could go on.
I know the OS is relatively new, but i cant buy that. The tablet cost me £415 with dock, If i was a normal customer, (the everyday user) i would take it back to the shop as i would think it was broke.
My last point is the constant crashes, it even locked up while trying to shut down.
So please please please tell me there is an answer, i so want to like it, as the concept is brill, i based buying this on my xperia play, i love the os, but honeycomb maybe the problem here!
Cheers.
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i have been an owner of the Transformer for just under a week, to be honest i think its a let down.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
I could go on.
I know the OS is relatively new, but i cant buy that. The tablet cost me £415 with dock, If i was a normal customer, (the everyday user) i would take it back to the shop as i would think it was broke.
My last point is the constant crashes, it even locked up while trying to shut down.
So please please please tell me there is an answer, i so want to like it, as the concept is brill, i based buying this on my xperia play, i love the os, but honeycomb maybe the problem here!
Cheers.
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First of all, what android version and firmware build are you running and are you rooted? Secondly, have you performed any OTA updates since you bought your TF? Before I installed a custom rom on my TF, I myself have experienced serious lag and slow down due to multiple OTA updates. As with any pc based platform, its typically best to do a full wipe and perform a clean install to have it running at its peak. Before I took the route of a custom rom, i did a full wipe and fresh install and could immediately tell the difference in speed. So my suggestion is that you take that route first. Also, if you are interested in rooting and installing a custom rom, be advised that starting with the B70 revision, ASUS changed and locked down the bootloaders and they are currently unrootable at this time...which means you won't be able to install a custom rom. Find your S/N and if it starts with B70 or higher, then you won't be able to root at this time.
I have not had to many FCs, either stock or on Prime. Most times that I get any problems at all are in the stock browser, and usually thenjust a matter of slowness and the occasional "FC or Wait" prompt; particuarlly on more 'involved' web pages. Loading pages are also fairly sloow at times but still faster than my phone. My phone uses Opera for tremendous inprovement over it's stock browser.
Don't know about the 720p, haven't tried and don't know what program you used. Out of box is rather minimal audio/video playback as far as I noticed.
General performance wise, this thing beats a number of x86 systems I've had, espiecally while compiling C/C++ code.
If it's not something closer to the hardware, doing an nvflash to a custom rom might be worth trying but it can be an irk to deal with nuking everythiing you have stored, backups or no.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
Latest Flash, Latest Browser (3.2.1) - runs good.
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
I have this issue, too - probably Tegra2 related (OCing may help?)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
What games? Never noticed it.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Get DicePlayer - best player around, supports HW acceleration and 720p is good as well (compared to others) - thanks to tegra2 plugins. Not free tough.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
Higher resoltioun and tegra2 issue AFAIK (might be wrong).
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Strange how some people experience things that most others don't. Weird. But anyway, you should return your TF. Get a proven product like an ipad 2.
goodintentions said:
Strange how some people experience things that most others don't. Weird. But anyway, you should return your TF. Get a proven product like an ipad 2.
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Ok troll. Your kind isn't welcome here unless you own a TF and can offer solutions other than being apple fan boy. This is not the thread you are looking for. You can go about your business. Move along...move along...
cheers for all the suggestions, i have got the latest updates and firmware.
i will check my serial when i get home.
for video playback ive been using mobo and mx player
games which redownload everytome are reckless getaway and the spaceship one which i cant remember the name lol its for tegra 2 and its free
if i decide on a custom rom i take it its purely personal preference? i fancy revolution for the ota tools
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You are correct, custom roms are always going to end up being preference. If you are able to root, the best way to start off this endeavor is to visit the posts of all 3 major roms for the TF in the development section. Find out what each rom offers, and make your decision based off of that. You can always try out each rom to see which one you like better.
My choices are limited now
checked my serial and its B70.
Looks like i'm stuck with stock until asus / google sort my issues.
One last question?
i here good things about opera, but i dont like the way it loads (waiting for the page to load before displaying) is there anyway to disable this feature?
Sometimes you just want to click on a link i dont really want the whole page to load!
Asus changed the bootloader not too long after they started making the B70 revisions. So there is a very small window of chance that your TF can be rooted. You can always try, but the chances are slim. I can't answer your Opera question...I don't use Opera.
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i here good things about opera, but i dont like the way it loads (waiting for the page to load before displaying) is there anyway to disable this feature?
Sometimes you just want to click on a link i dont really want the whole page to load!
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There is no option for this in Opera Mobile; I should know, it's what I use off the phone next to me .
Opera Mini is probably the same, but I would highly doubt it would support that feature even if it wasn't.
@blonqe: I posted something similar and goodintentions replied the same way... he has down syndrome, bless his heart...
Anyway, just accept you got suckered in to all this EEE Fad, iFad marketing BS. The Tegra 2 is a $5 PoS SoC... kind of like the PoS Atom CPU.
Tabs are fairly useless, but you wanted to waste some money
Oh if you disable flash in the stock browser it's speed is good.
I'm stuck with stock too ... REALLY FARKING pisses me off that I'm locked out of my own device.
cavsoldier19d said:
Ok troll. Your kind isn't welcome here unless you own a TF and can offer solutions other than being apple fan boy. This is not the thread you are looking for. You can go about your business. Move along...move along...
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Lol, this man has made the greatest mod to his TF!
But yeah, try running a custom rom (if you can) and see if your problems are still present. If so, contact Asus and maybe they will give you a replacement, could simple be some hardware malfunctions.
well i tried to root using the all in one tool, when trying to backup and root i kept getting an error cannot boot to pad or something like that, so for now ive had to admit defeat and wait for some bright spark to hopefully crack the new bootloader :-(
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Just wanted to bump my original thread to say after alot of complaing from me i can now say i am a proud owner of the Asus Transformer TF101.
Thanks to the fact i can now root and install custom roms.
After a few weeks of trial and error, i tried, revolver, Prime and KRAKD.
The latter for me was easily the best so so smooth, OC 1.504 i tried same on the other Roms, but with KRAKD i had no issues and its just so much quicker in my opinion.
One issue that exists in all the custom roms is that the xbox controller doesn't work until you change the kernel. Weird.
Brwosing is more of a joy and with ICS on its way my tablet experience is looking up!
Still tempted by windows 8 but we will wait and see.
Glad to hear everything worked out.
If you have a PS3, you should be able to use a Sigaxis controller using the Sigaxis application on the market as well.

Infinity great at first then getting worse with use.

I got rid of my prime for an Infinity and when i first got the infinity, it was flying. Fast, stable, wonderful...especially compared to the prime. After about 1.5 wks of daily use, ive been getting random lock ups and slow downs and have had to reboot or cold boot several times now. I have been very careful to not load too many apps or games and if i think an app or game is causing the problem then i immediately delete it.
I recall this happening to the Prime and am wondering if this is how its going to be with these ASUS tablets? They are so great at first then slow down and become laggy causing the user experience to sufffer greatly. Does anyone think JB is going to fix this problem?
Jelly Bean will make this tablet like BUDDDDER
I would wipe/factory reset
Start of fresh, JB is around the corner.
I keep reading posts about how poor the performance is with the TF700 and I keep wondering if I'm using the same tablet?!?!
Not sure if it's the Zeus ROM or what, but I don't have any performance issues to speak of!
For those having performance issues - maybe try the Zeus ROM and see if that helps (at least until JB comes out)...
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David522d said:
Jelly Bean will make this tablet like BUDDDDER
I would wipe/factory reset
Start of fresh, JB is around the corner.
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We can only hope for the best!
I'm whipping up a list of generic complaints for when the Jellybeans are spilled.
I'm just like everyone else...scouring that play store for the one!
Been unloading a lot of stuff that I thought was groovy.
To me the tab seems the same or a bit better than it's first day in my clutches.
Finally settled on the ICS+ browser...the rest of them have features yet to me cause some frowning.
Heck I dunno...
mines started off smooth as well, then came a lot of freezes and force closings. I did a factory reset about a week ago, and its seems back to the way it originally was. Everything is fine now. I do hope JB comes soon though.
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Well, I was going to say it seems to come and go with mine but I've gotten about 10 browser not responding messages trying to reply. It started off really good when I first go it but it has gotten progressively worse since then. One thing I notice is it seems to be the ads in web pages that kill the browser. I guess that flash is causing the problem? The android browsing experience leaves a lot to be desired.
I call it the Windows XP syndrome.
XP was zippity fast on a clean install, but add a few years into it of loading it with all kinds of applications, AV changes, system restores, repairs, etc.
and you get a XP that takes a good 2-3 minutes post startup to run, and it will slow down over heavy usage.
I also experience this with Firefox in Windows 7, that browser was a beast with all those add-ons and the only browser with a true Ad-blockers, but as Firefox approach version 13, it's become a slug and can't handle many tabs.
I have not noticed a slow down....yet. But I have disabled a lot of crap that seems to start on its own.
This device is now three weeks old or so and there is yet to find a glitch.
A little tweaking goes a long way.
Dee Envy said:
I have not noticed a slow down....yet. But I have disabled a lot of crap that seems to start on its own.
This device is now three weeks old or so and there is yet to find a glitch.
A little tweaking goes a long way.
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The Zeus Rom also removes a lot of bloatware, as you said, don't underestimate how bogged down your system can become with all that stuff running in the background.
Hmmmm....
As one of the un-knowledgeable as far as development:
Would Android being Linux (I guess) be more subject to bugs and failures because it's RAM friendly and lighthearted.
In other words since Android seems less complex would its speed versus hardware cause cross links or file IO failures more readily?
I know Windows has driven me nutz for years...always wanted to try Linux yet never have.
What exactly will JellyBean do?
No problems here. Since last update mine is rock solid stable, and performance is quite good. Had chance to use heavily at a 3 day conference and it was great though battery is not as good as my tf101. Also had my first chance to spend some solid time with an ipad2(not new one) . Utterly worthless. It was soo limited and locked down. Performance was fine but not as good as my infinity. 4x3 sucks.
I'm wondering if those with issues have one or more bad apps installed, I know it's happened to me before. They run crap in background and are not optimized.
Lots of problems here as well. I had actually typed in great detail, all the issues I have come across and the damn browser force closed so I lost everything I typed. My tablets acting up really bad, so I'm gonna end it here. This tf700 is the prime with fixed wifi and a nicer screen... please let JB fix this or its going back to Amazon.... infinity tablet #2.... there won't be a #3 if JB isn't stellar!
So disappointed with Asus...
Thats OK said:
Hmmmm....
As one of the un-knowledgeable as far as development:
Would Android being Linux (I guess) be more subject to bugs and failures because it's RAM friendly and lighthearted.
In other words since Android seems less complex would its speed versus hardware cause cross links or file IO failures more readily?
I know Windows has driven me nutz for years...always wanted to try Linux yet never have.
What exactly will JellyBean do?
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The Linux kernel isn't the problem. I would even say that Linux is more stable than Windows.
Jelly Bean has the target to make Android as smooth as iOS devices.
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JB will make only the transitions smoother, other than that, i don't think we are going to see any performance boost or at least decrease in lags and hickups. This is due to HW to some extent (imho) and yes, the crappy apps.
I can tell you right away that after removing the live wallpaper that i used as workaround for cropped wallpapers in portrait mode, my tablet is now much faster on home screens that it was before. I also went and disabled some of the Asus apps. I know there are probably some other apps that are running in the BG and should be removed, too, but i simply need them, so no options here.
It also seems that factory reset is helping for some people, so maybe i'll give it a try, too, right before the JB update.
I am still on system that came from the factory.
Of course I don't think the tablet is crap, cause it is not, it is great, but it really needs some gentle hands sometimes to get it up to speed.
There is one thing that makes me VERY angry sometimes, so angry that maybe someday the tablet will fly into the wall....
I have enabled the screenshot function of the back button. Well, sometimes, when i want to just go back, "fracking back!", it creates a screenshot, which makes a tablet even more unresponsive. Frack!
I was also having a lot of trouble at first with my Infinity. Then I did a couple of things. One, i got rid of the dual battery widget that I used all the time on my Prime; two, I deleted or disabled every unnecessary app I could find. There are a number of good forum threads that can tell you what to disable. I also settled on Apex Pro Launcher which now seems very stable after deleting dual batter widget.
Mine slowed down after a couple weeks which was very frustrating because I really liked it when I traded my Prime for it. I have moved away from Asus altogether now good luck with jellybean hope it works out for you guys
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ilostmypistons said:
Mine slowed down after a couple weeks which was very frustrating because I really liked it when I traded my Prime for it. I have moved away from Asus altogether now good luck with jellybean hope it works out for you guys
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Buh bye!
I guess i made a big ****ing mistake again, First i got the infinity then i returned it to get the note 10.1 . I was raving and writing positive reviews on that tablet as it is truly a fast tablet, no force close , stereo speaker is loud with good definition then last night i picked up my ipad3 and started browsing , after an hour i went back to my note 10.1 thats when the problem starts as i can now see the how bad 1280x800 resolution is compared to my ipad3 or infinity. So i went back and returned the note for the infinity and now...... after......... couple ....of ....days.........it was ****ing laggy and keeps on force closing browsing is started to became painfully slow , typing is not fun as i keeps on skipping letters as the touch screen is not that responsive. I want to go back to the note but i guess i dont have the guts anymore to returned it again...... Now i'm stuck.
I think the reason why the note is faster is because of its low resolution and why the infinity is slow is because the tegra 3 is not capable enough to handle full hd.........
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I think the reason why the note is faster is because of its low resolution and why the infinity is slow is because the tegra 3 is not capable enough to handle full hd.........
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Thats not the only reason, Prime was lower resolution and that device was slow too.
Loading your tablet up with craplets will slow it down.
It's pretty obvious that if it is performing like you want initially after a fresh factory reset, but then after loading it up with stuff it slows down, then it is most likely the stuff you added, not the box itself. It's just like a windows box basically, as someone else noted. Windows machines are a wreck after a while with all the little DLLs, services, drivers, etc that muck up an installation over time. I really have gotten to where I settle on just one or two go to apps in each category rather than install and leave multiple redundant apps on the machine.
I also avoid "freemium" games like the plague. Those things are like user installed malware. They leave stuff running on your machine all the time, pop notifiers, etc.
An occasional reboot or cold boot might be a healthy thing to do, too, since depending on your system config, Android may not be aggressive about reclaiming memory, etc, and you don't want it to hit eMMC as hard since it is slow on the TFs.

Worth the upgrade?

I am looking to upgrade from my HP TouchPad running CM10 and am considering buying an Infinity soon as I really like it over the N10 because of the dock. I am however concerned regarding all the lag and I/O comments I read. IMy HP TouchPad running CM10 and primarily it is used when I travel and while watching TV to surf the web and answer emails rather than use my large laptop. I am able to have 8-10 tabs in the stock browser open at a time without really seeing much of an issue. Will this be something I am able to still do with the Infinity or will it cause the browser to constantly crash? I do not play games hardly at all on it and will sometimes watch divx videos while traveling as well. My main worry is about the web browsing experience compared to what I am using now. I hope it will be as good or better so hopefully someone can answer that for me.
Another thing I use a lot is Eye-Fi to transfer all my pictures from my camera to my tablet to look when I am not home. Would transferring large 10MP files to it be an issue? They go pretty fast right now when I transfer them to my Galaxy Nexus.
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I am looking to upgrade from my HP TouchPad running CM10 and am considering buying an Infinity soon as I really like it over the N10 because of the dock. I am however concerned regarding all the lag and I/O comments I read. IMy HP TouchPad running CM10 and primarily it is used when I travel and while watching TV to surf the web and answer emails rather than use my large laptop. I am able to have 8-10 tabs in the stock browser open at a time without really seeing much of an issue. Will this be something I am able to still do with the Infinity or will it cause the browser to constantly crash? I do not play games hardly at all on it and will sometimes watch divx videos while traveling as well. My main worry is about the web browsing experience compared to what I am using now. I hope it will be as good or better so hopefully someone can answer that for me.
Another thing I use a lot is Eye-Fi to transfer all my pictures from my camera to my tablet to look when I am not home. Would transferring large 10MP files to it be an issue? They go pretty fast right now when I transfer them to my Galaxy Nexus.
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I can't help you with that Eye-Fi question,
but I can try to answer your upgrade-related question
Anyway, I think that as long as you're experienced in flashing custom roms (in your case, I am sure you are, looking at the Rom you are running ) the I/O issue is no issue at all and most (if not all) lag is gone after installing CleanRom Inheritance.
It really boosts your device, without having to sacrifice battery life!
On top of that, it has also improved video/streaming playback drastically, making this device as top-tier as Asus claimed it is
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I can't help you with that Eye-Fi question,
but I can try to answer your upgrade-related question
Anyway, I think that as long as you're experienced in flashing custom roms (in your case, I am sure you are, looking at the Rom you are running ) the I/O issue is no issue at all and most (if not all) lag is gone after installing CleanRom Inheritance.
It really boosts your device, without having to sacrifice battery life!
On top of that, it has also improved video/streaming playback drastically, making this device as top-tier as Asus claimed it is
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+1. Also disable animation, makes you think you have the fastest tablet in the world!! super snappy!
I'll agree with the above!
There's quite a following going here.
This is a ROM flashers tablet IMO.
For myself I gave up on the OTA's from the manufacturer and started going the route of custom ROMs.
Been extremely happy with the work done in development.
Hope to see you join on!
Ok good to know. I assume then though I will be disappointed until I flash I custom ROM to it then? Will I most likely get a version that I can unlock it with NVFlash out of the box as long as I don't do the updates and unlock/root/flash it right away?
Also any specific reason for CleanROM over CM?
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I assume then though I will be disappointed until I flash I custom ROM to it then?
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I would say you may not necessarily be displeased with JellyBean in stock form.
A great number of users are more than happy with this tab in it's pure Android state.
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Will I most likely get a version that I can unlock it with NVFlash out of the box as long as I don't do the updates and unlock/root/flash it right away?
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Yes
I will state that you will be able to bring home an ICS 4.03 version with the .26 firmware.
True don't allow OTA updating until you weave thru the NVFlash process.
I wasn't able to do NVFlash because of updating then finding out about it afterward.
Good luck if you decide to leap!
Alright went to Best Buy last night and played with the Infinity for about 30min. It definitely seemed pretty slow compared to my touchpad running CM and it didn't even want to load 3-4 webpages at a time. I did not however get the wait/close pop up at all. The screen was amazing (one major reason for wanting to upgrade, 1024x768 just isn't cutting it anymore) and the keyboard is a lot better to type on than what a lot of people seem to say. It didn't seem overly small to me.
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Yes
I will state that you will be able to bring home an ICS 4.03 version with the .26 firmware.
True don't allow OTA updating until you weave thru the NVFlash process.
I wasn't able to do NVFlash because of updating then finding out about it afterward.
Good luck if you decide to leap!
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That is great to know I will be able to do the NVFlash though as that is really the only way I would want to root and flash this tablet. I like the fact it can't be bricked doing that.
Is it correct that I have read once I have the blobs from doing NVFlash I can manually upgrade to the most current firmware and NVFlash will still work? If so it seems I will actually finally have made up my mind of what tablet to get.
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Yes, I think it's overal nicer and faster with CR.
Not to mention that it has a bit better implementation with the keyboard dock (if you have decided to buy that). You also get amazing support from the developer of CleanRom and the Rom Installer gives you the ability to choose what you want and what tweaks you like. Therefore, it's really nice to use it.
Besides, sometimes it's handy having the 3 'performance' modes and IPS+ toggle in the notification bar. Asus did some things right, so we should give them credit for that

Android 4.4 Kit Kat Gaming

After updating to Kit Kat I decided to try out a game I've been playing recently (Modern Combat 4). A normally smooth game with not too many glitches is now nearly unplayable. When I am aiming my gun (It is an FPS game) the aim goes crazy as if someone else is moving my screen around. I was interested to see if this was an issue with only this game... It wasnt. Modern Combat 3 doesn't even start up, minecraft pocket edition has the same weird movements while moving my player around. Grand theft auto vice city has had extreme lag issues. For me this is a major issue because I use my tablet a lot for gaming. By the way it is a Nexus 7 (2013) Running stock 4.4. So overall, my question is has anyone else experienced this? Has google said anything about it, and if none of these have happened yet... How can I downgrade to 4.3? Thank You!
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HarryH987 said:
So overall, my question is has anyone else experienced this? Has google said anything about it, and if none of these have happened yet... How can I downgrade to 4.3? Thank You!
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Frankly it may not be a googles problem but more the app and game developers updating their apps for the Kit kat version of Android, which I am sure they are already working on, as its money in the bag for them As for end users, yes, its a pain in the butt till updates starts rolling out.
Check this out! Links to useful Guides and " Banned " Documentaries ​
the problem is in the app not yet been upgraded to Android 4.4. Give it time and you'll see that everything will work out for the best!
On my nexus 10 I had problems only when using art, and the list of apps and games which doesn't support it's rapidly shrinking. Performance wise I don't seem to notice anything different.
I wanted to try kitkat
But the more I read, the less I think I'm going too like it.

[Q] Is Lollipop still a dog?

Or should I install it on my Shield Tablet LTE?
Nope, it's still Lollipop. Google has pushed two fixes that kinda fix things but also create new problems, only one of which the Shield has gotten.
Also, if you like your current Gallery, remember to kiss it Goodbye as Lollipop uses the bloated Google+ for it. :/
Thanks for the prompt reply!
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Nope, it's still Lollipop. Google has pushed two fixes that kinda fix things but also create new problems, only one of which the Shield has gotten.
Also, if you like your current Gallery, remember to kiss it Goodbye as Lollipop uses the bloated Google+ for it. :/
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Damn, I didn't realize the gallery was gone until now. The new gallery doesn't seem to be too bad, but you're right in that it's bloated kinda.
Other than that, Lollipop seems to be an improvement over KitKat with regards to stability OP. I haven't had nearly as many issues with it. I'd say go for it.
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Damn, I didn't realize the gallery was gone until now. The new gallery doesn't seem to be too bad, but you're right in that it's bloated kinda.
Other than that, Lollipop seems to be an improvement over KitKat with regards to stability OP. I haven't had nearly as many issues with it. I'd say go for it.
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On the bright side, Nvidia actually went out of their way to compile the email app... my Nexus sorely misses that. But hey, I've been using QuickPic for a while too, which is sufficient where Gallery is meh and Google+ just hurts.
Meanwhile, I'm pretty pleased with the direction the camera and its aftereffects editing have gone. It's not Picsay (or insert favorite editor here), but it's serviceable enough to not require an extra app.
So I'm beginning to see more reasons to upgrade to 5.0.1(?).
Is the only reason not to do so because of the aesthetics of using Google Drive for image storing?
I am thinking about going back to KitKat until there is a update to Lollipop which fixes the slowdowns I and others have.
Otherwise my main problem with Lollipop is that new volume control. To change the media volume you have to go to sound settings in settings menu. It's also too easy to turn of alarm sound by mistake with the new volume/notification control.
I remember reading an article at Android Central ago where they listed all bugs/missing features/problems with Lollipop. Well worth reading before updating.
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I am thinking about going back to KitKat until there is a update to Lollipop which fixes the slowdowns I and others have.
Otherwise my main problem with Lollipop is that new volume control. To change the media volume you have to go to sound settings in settings menu. It's also too easy to turn of alarm sound by mistake with the new volume/notification control.
I remember reading an article at Android Central ago where they listed all bugs/missing features/problems with Lollipop. Well worth reading before updating.
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Too late.
Just as well, so far it seems more stable for what I'm doing. I haven't seen any of the slowdowns you and others mention.
Thanks for pointing me to the Android Central article, I'll have to see if I can't find it. Feel free to post a link if you stumble across it before I do.
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Nope, it's still Lollipop. Google has pushed two fixes that kinda fix things but also create new problems, only one of which the Shield has gotten.
Also, if you like your current Gallery, remember to kiss it Goodbye as Lollipop uses the bloated Google+ for it. :/
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Since people are complaining about the gallery going away. Here is the old one. It also installs the old camera.
https://mega.co.nz/#!CkJBlLiK!KcJGELR2ut_q1avgUGuJBfFMVGdm99RQ_JZQbPZQlGk
Just install the apk.
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I use Quickpick as a replacement for the stock KK camera and it works really well. As for upgrade to 5.0.1, poeple is complaining about battery life and some miscellaneous thing, that's why i kept 5.0
5.01 is significantly smoother... Especially when you disable HW Overlay (Force GPU rendering).. I went back to KitKat due to the wonky battery stats / life of 5.01 and KitKat was a dog in comparison --- So I went back to 5.01. ANd its butter smooth in comparison - even Chrome is significantly improved on 501. The battery life / stats are still wonky but with my clean load of everything (reflashed everything) and rooted (removed all the ATT bloat) I have to say... I am loving the tablet much much more..
So my suggestion is to load a fresh version of KitKat (1.2 Nvidia Image) then perform a clean upgrade from there...
>even Chrome
With a fresh install approaching 80MB, that's a pretty impressive benchmark.
Yeah, Lollipop elsewhere might be trouble but I think Nvidia pulled it off.
Thanks for all the feedback.
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Honestly, don't... I have been running lollipop since launch on my SHIELD LTE and now with 5.0.1, the number of minor bugs this has is simply mind bending. I have tried blaming it on pretty much everything but in truth all the stuff i use works heaps better in KitKat. Not to mention the Power drain, intermittent wifi, broken power control, rendering artefacts and so on and so forth. FYI none of this was an issue in kitkat for me and i have run it rooted and unrooted and with both locked and unlocked loader and pretty much anything i can think of, since I use EU/RoW software there is no bloating but even so i have tried removing anything and everything i could, to no improvement at all.
If you think nVidia did a good job on lollipop then i really don't want to see a bad job...
I agree... Other than performance Nvidia 2.1 (5.01 Andorid) has been a very poor quality build . However, Performance improved significantly (Antutu I gained 3k points just by going from 2.0 Nvidia to 2.1)
You can fix the artifact thing by Disabling HW overlay in Developers Options... pretty much all video glitches go away... WIFI is no better... I think they have a poor hardware design and wont be able to fix this with software. Battery Life is definitely worse and the battery stats are FUBAR. Regarding power control... I cant tell - honestly I dont see much difference when optimizing and not optimizing thus I guess they are broken.
I went back to KitKat and then went back to Lollipop - that tells you something right there
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Honestly, don't... I have been running lollipop since launch on my SHIELD LTE and now with 5.0.1, the number of minor bugs this has is simply mind bending. I have tried blaming it on pretty much everything but in truth all the stuff i use works heaps better in KitKat. Not to mention the Power drain, intermittent wifi, broken power control, rendering artefacts and so on and so forth. FYI none of this was an issue in kitkat for me and i have run it rooted and unrooted and with both locked and unlocked loader and pretty much anything i can think of, since I use EU/RoW software there is no bloating but even so i have tried removing anything and everything i could, to no improvement at all.
If you think nVidia did a good job on lollipop then i really don't want to see a bad job...
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If i disable the overlay i get quite bad stuttering in animations in the places i had artefacts so between two bad things... I hate redoing a good setup but I will go back to kitkat & wait a good while for nV to sort out lollipop before going back.
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I agree... Other than performance Nvidia 2.1 (5.01 Andorid) has been a very poor quality build . However, Performance improved significantly (Antutu I gained 3k points just by going from 2.0 Nvidia to 2.1)
You can fix the artifact thing by Disabling HW overlay in Developers Options... pretty much all video glitches go away... WIFI is no better... I think they have a poor hardware design and wont be able to fix this with software. Battery Life is definitely worse and the battery stats are FUBAR. Regarding power control... I cant tell - honestly I dont see much difference when optimizing and not optimizing thus I guess they are broken.
I went back to KitKat and then went back to Lollipop - that tells you something right there
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I had the memory leak issue on 5.0.0, but 5.0.1 remedied every issue I had. I have no regrets about the update (except that I'm still unhappy with how the OS handles folder permissions because app developers are taking WAY too long to adapt to it).
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I had the memory leak issue on 5.0.0, but 5.0.1 remedied every issue I had. I have no regrets about the update (except that I'm still unhappy with how the OS handles folder permissions because app developers are taking WAY too long to adapt to it).
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Similar experience here, no issues on latest firmware.
I'm running 5.0.1 and I'm having battery drainage issues and major throttling when waking the device, even if my power management settings are set for max performance. Need to wait 10-20 seconds for commands to register.
I get one day of use out of the Tablet, would have to bring up the battery day for actual on screen time. I do use Chromecast quite a bit and play a lot of Hearthstone so... a day may be correct lol.
the biggest issue for me are the slow downs and random crashes though, just painful. Nothing angers while I'm having relax time than having Hearthstone crash while I'm laying down the hurt..... oh well, just a game.
I had the lovely memory leak issue pretty recently, and my tablet is definitely running 5.0.1. The OS is mediocre generally, with the processor still doing impressive heavy lifting, but when the system grinds to a total halt and not even the Home, Back, and Recent keys are disappearing or unresponsive, it's a bummer.
How about those software keys, huh? Twice as prone to failure in tight situations. Deciding to not register touches, being frozen, disappearing, etc... a brilliant choice.

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