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I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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same too me, I tried it over 3.1, what I experienced:
- browser little bit slower
- more SOD
- nothing real extra feature
I have to use a custom rom for a couple of reasons:
1) My stock rom is the Chinese verison, which means no google apps or google sync. Without google, it's just not android.
2) I need the Chinese input methods. I would normally switch to the USA stock rom, but it doesn't have Chinese input. Prime does/did, Chinese handwriting input is MIA, but I'll sure it will be taken care of.
I choose to use a custom rom for these reasons:
3) I don't like excess crap on my computer. I can modify a custom rom before I install it, mostly just removing apps that I will never use.
4) Root! I love freedom on my computer. Root lets me do things. All kinds of neat things: block ads, increase speed on sd card, delete/modify system apps and directories, and lots more. Look into it, it is fun.
5) Overclock. Prime doesn't have it, but you can add a kernal that does. I currently don't overclock, but as the Tegra 2 ages, i will overclock it. I'm specifically waiting for a rom with a high GPU overclock. There is one out there that currently does have a minor GPU overclock.
6) Clockwork Recovery. Backup, restore, switch roms, clear cache and more.
Why I choose Prime:
7) Dock battery meter in the taskbar.
8) Reboot/recovery options for power button.
After looking through the current selection of roms available, I choose Prime. But I keep my eye on revolver and Clemsyn.
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I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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How do you not? OP clearly states that there are optimizations made to increase load times etc etc.
No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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Last time I flashed a Tom he punched me in the face...
One reason I haven't seen mentioned would also be themes, but it is still early in the game, there are few options. Custom Roms are generally just optimized better, though the Transformer doesn't have nearly the bloat some Android devices have making them almost essential...
Honestly once you learn, it is such an easy process that flashing different roms/kernels and trying them is the only real way to know what is best for you and your usage.
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No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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The reason im asking is so i dont miss out on anything and obviously im looking for empiracle data to help me understand any performance benefits.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Wow...
He asked what was the difference between stock and Prime, and you went off in another direction. He wasn't asking to be "begged" into using Prime nor asking for others to convince him into using Prime at all.
Anyways, I know Prime has a few optimizations, but I don't know if it brings any substantial changes. There's a link to download the power/recovery mod, so I suppose it could be applied to any ROM including rooted stock.
One reason I would like to root my tf101 is to be able to use a USB dongle. But I am waiting for 3.2 to come out before since I just got my tf101.
The stock version is pretty good actually. No major complaints so far.
I hav ebeen using Prime for a while but ASUS stock version is definitely quite good. Even more so for lack of garbageware that so plagues the mobile phones...
Yea I guess I'm in the same camp. I haven't seen a compelling reason to move to a different ROM versus rooted stock. There are too many posts that seem to lead users to believe that a different ROM is the same as root. Remember you can root the stock ROM. The OP is asking what user experience enhancements make Prime (or any other ROM) compelling.
If you read changelog second post it will tell you exactly what's new in the ROM. Many changes are only useful for experienced linux users, but many others are useful for everyone. The nice thing about roms is that most of the things and tweaks are already done for you. If you don't need/care about those changes then there is no point for you to reflash.
Which BXX mod did you get ?
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
Manufacturer's (ASUS included) have to be very careful about their ROM releases so they are thoroughly tested and ready to release to the general public. Consequently they are slower to release updates (i.e. NVidia updates, etc.). Custom ROMs generally consolidate the best and latest releases from various manufacturer's into the most cuttest edge versions you can possibly be running. As you'll notice this can also mean more lock-ups and weird issues since you are getting just-available changes. So if you prefer max stability, stick with the manufacturer's updates. For many of us part of the fun of owning an Android tablet is the rapid pace that custom ROMs are put out and the interesting/quirky things they bring us.
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I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
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I got a B60 TF and a B60 dock from my local OD this past weekend (Denver, CO).
Prime Vs Stock
Reason why I flashed the Prime Rom. With Prime and a netflix patch I'm able to stream netflix movie. Also now Adhoc connections work. I can Wifi tehther my TF101 with my Driod using the adhoc connection. I can now easily reboot into recovery prior to this going into recovery was a bit tricky. This was not possible even with HC 3.2. Also I don't have to worry about losing root becuase of an OTA update.
I am actually a flashaholic when it comes to flashing roms on my phone. But so far, I haven't come across any compelling reasons to flash custom roms on my transformer. The need to flash roms on phones offer benefits that are non existant on a tablet. For instance, one major reason to flash custom roms on phones is to enable free wifi tethering, which obviously does not apply here. Another reason, as stated above is to remove bloatware. The transformer doesn't really have that. And yet another reason is to be able to update to the latest Android version before the official release. Correct me if i'm wrong but when I looked, the 3.2 update came out officially before any transformer custom roms had it. There are a couple more minor customizations options that I'm not seeing yet being offered by the transformer roms. I am fully aware of the speed enhancements and optimizations that custom roms offer, but considering the custom roms for the transformer are still relatively new (no disrespect or discredit to the devs for their hard work), and considering that even still now, the rooting and flashing methods keep getting outdated and changed, it's too early in this ballgame for me to flash.
I've been lurking the forums here now for a month and finally pulled the trigger, my TF get's here monday.
I have yet to see any reason to flash a custom rom or even root at this point. I'll be rooting it just to say it's rooted and just for a couple of root only programs I have. The custom roms don't really bring anything to the table that this tablet doesn't have. it has the newest version of android with all the bells and whistles. I'm not going to be overclocking. I understand netflix is big for some people, but, from what I have read flashing the fix breaks some video playback. I'm ok to wait for the official netflix patch. A 32gb MicroSD and the 16gb on board space is plenty to store movies on for travel etc. I also have a server I run at home that will stream my entire movie,. TV, and music collections directly to me.
Having the best of the best and the most up to date version of android does have it's perks
i have been an owner of the Transformer for just under a week, to be honest i think its a let down.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
I could go on.
I know the OS is relatively new, but i cant buy that. The tablet cost me £415 with dock, If i was a normal customer, (the everyday user) i would take it back to the shop as i would think it was broke.
My last point is the constant crashes, it even locked up while trying to shut down.
So please please please tell me there is an answer, i so want to like it, as the concept is brill, i based buying this on my xperia play, i love the os, but honeycomb maybe the problem here!
Cheers.
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i have been an owner of the Transformer for just under a week, to be honest i think its a let down.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
I could go on.
I know the OS is relatively new, but i cant buy that. The tablet cost me £415 with dock, If i was a normal customer, (the everyday user) i would take it back to the shop as i would think it was broke.
My last point is the constant crashes, it even locked up while trying to shut down.
So please please please tell me there is an answer, i so want to like it, as the concept is brill, i based buying this on my xperia play, i love the os, but honeycomb maybe the problem here!
Cheers.
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First of all, what android version and firmware build are you running and are you rooted? Secondly, have you performed any OTA updates since you bought your TF? Before I installed a custom rom on my TF, I myself have experienced serious lag and slow down due to multiple OTA updates. As with any pc based platform, its typically best to do a full wipe and perform a clean install to have it running at its peak. Before I took the route of a custom rom, i did a full wipe and fresh install and could immediately tell the difference in speed. So my suggestion is that you take that route first. Also, if you are interested in rooting and installing a custom rom, be advised that starting with the B70 revision, ASUS changed and locked down the bootloaders and they are currently unrootable at this time...which means you won't be able to install a custom rom. Find your S/N and if it starts with B70 or higher, then you won't be able to root at this time.
I have not had to many FCs, either stock or on Prime. Most times that I get any problems at all are in the stock browser, and usually thenjust a matter of slowness and the occasional "FC or Wait" prompt; particuarlly on more 'involved' web pages. Loading pages are also fairly sloow at times but still faster than my phone. My phone uses Opera for tremendous inprovement over it's stock browser.
Don't know about the 720p, haven't tried and don't know what program you used. Out of box is rather minimal audio/video playback as far as I noticed.
General performance wise, this thing beats a number of x86 systems I've had, espiecally while compiling C/C++ code.
If it's not something closer to the hardware, doing an nvflash to a custom rom might be worth trying but it can be an irk to deal with nuking everythiing you have stored, backups or no.
Internet experience is slow and jerky, flash takes a while to speed up. (Ive tried all browsers)
Latest Flash, Latest Browser (3.2.1) - runs good.
N64iod runs better and faster on my xperia play (which is a 1 core processor)
I have this issue, too - probably Tegra2 related (OCing may help?)
Some games seem to re-download every time i run them.
What games? Never noticed it.
Cant play 720p with HW enabled with SW there slow.
Get DicePlayer - best player around, supports HW acceleration and 720p is good as well (compared to others) - thanks to tegra2 plugins. Not free tough.
Live wallpapers slow down the OS, my Xperia doesn't!
Higher resoltioun and tegra2 issue AFAIK (might be wrong).
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Strange how some people experience things that most others don't. Weird. But anyway, you should return your TF. Get a proven product like an ipad 2.
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Strange how some people experience things that most others don't. Weird. But anyway, you should return your TF. Get a proven product like an ipad 2.
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Ok troll. Your kind isn't welcome here unless you own a TF and can offer solutions other than being apple fan boy. This is not the thread you are looking for. You can go about your business. Move along...move along...
cheers for all the suggestions, i have got the latest updates and firmware.
i will check my serial when i get home.
for video playback ive been using mobo and mx player
games which redownload everytome are reckless getaway and the spaceship one which i cant remember the name lol its for tegra 2 and its free
if i decide on a custom rom i take it its purely personal preference? i fancy revolution for the ota tools
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You are correct, custom roms are always going to end up being preference. If you are able to root, the best way to start off this endeavor is to visit the posts of all 3 major roms for the TF in the development section. Find out what each rom offers, and make your decision based off of that. You can always try out each rom to see which one you like better.
My choices are limited now
checked my serial and its B70.
Looks like i'm stuck with stock until asus / google sort my issues.
One last question?
i here good things about opera, but i dont like the way it loads (waiting for the page to load before displaying) is there anyway to disable this feature?
Sometimes you just want to click on a link i dont really want the whole page to load!
Asus changed the bootloader not too long after they started making the B70 revisions. So there is a very small window of chance that your TF can be rooted. You can always try, but the chances are slim. I can't answer your Opera question...I don't use Opera.
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i here good things about opera, but i dont like the way it loads (waiting for the page to load before displaying) is there anyway to disable this feature?
Sometimes you just want to click on a link i dont really want the whole page to load!
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There is no option for this in Opera Mobile; I should know, it's what I use off the phone next to me .
Opera Mini is probably the same, but I would highly doubt it would support that feature even if it wasn't.
@blonqe: I posted something similar and goodintentions replied the same way... he has down syndrome, bless his heart...
Anyway, just accept you got suckered in to all this EEE Fad, iFad marketing BS. The Tegra 2 is a $5 PoS SoC... kind of like the PoS Atom CPU.
Tabs are fairly useless, but you wanted to waste some money
Oh if you disable flash in the stock browser it's speed is good.
I'm stuck with stock too ... REALLY FARKING pisses me off that I'm locked out of my own device.
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Ok troll. Your kind isn't welcome here unless you own a TF and can offer solutions other than being apple fan boy. This is not the thread you are looking for. You can go about your business. Move along...move along...
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Lol, this man has made the greatest mod to his TF!
But yeah, try running a custom rom (if you can) and see if your problems are still present. If so, contact Asus and maybe they will give you a replacement, could simple be some hardware malfunctions.
well i tried to root using the all in one tool, when trying to backup and root i kept getting an error cannot boot to pad or something like that, so for now ive had to admit defeat and wait for some bright spark to hopefully crack the new bootloader :-(
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Just wanted to bump my original thread to say after alot of complaing from me i can now say i am a proud owner of the Asus Transformer TF101.
Thanks to the fact i can now root and install custom roms.
After a few weeks of trial and error, i tried, revolver, Prime and KRAKD.
The latter for me was easily the best so so smooth, OC 1.504 i tried same on the other Roms, but with KRAKD i had no issues and its just so much quicker in my opinion.
One issue that exists in all the custom roms is that the xbox controller doesn't work until you change the kernel. Weird.
Brwosing is more of a joy and with ICS on its way my tablet experience is looking up!
Still tempted by windows 8 but we will wait and see.
Glad to hear everything worked out.
If you have a PS3, you should be able to use a Sigaxis controller using the Sigaxis application on the market as well.
Folks,
My TF700, along with a few others I've seen post here, has been increasingly sluggish under JB compared to ICS, regardless of how many cold boots and complete resets are performed. In addition, I get frequent white screen crashes and complete reboots that happen under heavy use.
So, with that said, here are my questions from those of you with some experience:
1. Should we expect an update from the manufacturer that will address all of this within a short (month?) period of time?
2. Since it's official that CM will provide an "official" port to the TF700, how long does it usually take them to provide a fairly feature rich one (GPS, Microphone, etc support unlike the unofficial port in the development forums)?
3. If both #1 & #2 are >1 month, can you recommend a solution that provides all tablet features? The other JB builds I saw do not provide full features from what I could see, correct?
Thank you for any answers you can provide.
If you are unlocked, you can always downgrade to ICS .30, or a custom Rom like cleanrom.
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Folks,
My TF700, along with a few others I've seen post here, has been increasingly sluggish under JB compared to ICS, regardless of how many cold boots and complete resets are performed. In addition, I get frequent white screen crashes and complete reboots that happen under heavy use.
So, with that said, here are my questions from those of you with some experience:
1. Should we expect an update from the manufacturer that will address all of this within a short (month?) period of time?
2. Since it's official that CM will provide an "official" port to the TF700, how long does it usually take them to provide a fairly feature rich one (GPS, Microphone, etc support unlike the unofficial port in the development forums)?
3. If both #1 & #2 are >1 month, can you recommend a solution that provides all tablet features? The other JB builds I saw do not provide full features from what I could see, correct?
Thank you for any answers you can provide.
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1. ASUS are not quick. Given past performance I don't think there is a chance of seeing an update that will successfully deal with the sluggishness issues.
2. I don't think it will be too long until the first official CM10 builds are released (days/weeks rather than weeks/months). Looking at where they are in development at present I expect the initial releases to be pretty complete. However, until they are released and tested you never know what problems and bugs may be encountered.
3. Your best bet at the moment is CleanROM - its the stock rom with all the bloat removed and some other tweaks to improve performance. Having tried the stock JB release and CleanROM I will say that the performance of CleanROM is way better.
Reboots, white screens and freezes are not normal for this or any tablet.
Firmwares and roms won't fix this. Send it back and get one that functions properly.
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Reboots, white screens and freezes are not normal for this or any tablet.
Firmwares and roms won't fix this. Send it back and get one that functions properly.
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actually, reboots and freezes are quite normal. There have been several posts about it since this device launched. I was a victim of this as well. Made me want to get rid of it. but after rooting and installing cleanrom, i have not had any issues.
Yes, the rom gets rid of the bloat, but with the new update, you have the option of keeping the bloat that you may want. I highly recommend rooting and installing this rom. It will feel like you purchased a new device.
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actually, reboots and freezes are quite normal. There have been several posts about it since this device launched. I was a victim of this as well. Made me want to get rid of it. but after rooting and installing cleanrom, i have not had any issues.
Yes, the rom gets rid of the bloat, but with the new update, you have the option of keeping the bloat that you may want. I highly recommend rooting and installing this rom. It will feel like you purchased a new device.
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Your experience is just one data point and all the other posts combined here are just an incredibly small subset of the entire install base, so, no, just because you experienced it does not make it "normal". IMHO, regular reboots and freezes are NOT normal in a properly functioning TF running compatible software (some android apps do suck and/or are not compatible with new OS versions).
So, in spite of your experience, I personally would NEVER recommend doing something that will permanently void the warranty and completely eliminate the possibility of returning it if the root cause is a hardware problem. Instead, I'd return it, if the new one does it too switch brands.
I'm glad for your happiness with the updated ROM but an unlock on an in warranty tablet that is behaving badly is fundamentally bad advice, IMHO.
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Your experience is just one data point and all the other posts combined here are just an incredibly small subset of the entire install base, so, no, just because you experienced it does not make it "normal". IMHO, regular reboots and freezes are NOT normal in a properly functioning TF running compatible software (some android apps do suck and/or are not compatible with new OS versions).
So, in spite of your experience, I personally would NEVER recommend doing something that will permanently void the warranty and completely eliminate the possibility of returning it if the root cause is a hardware problem. Instead, I'd return it, if the new one does it too switch brands.
I'm glad for your happiness with the updated ROM but an unlock on an in warranty tablet that is behaving badly is fundamentally bad advice, IMHO.
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well xda is not the only website where people talk about electronics. I have seen a great number of complaints about this device. And i agree, there could be a very large number of people out there who are happy with their devices and don't have these issues. But it still remains, there are issues.
I can suggest/recommend people to root/unlock their devices, whether they do it or not, thats totally up to them. Before doing so, they should know the risk involved.
I'll be completely honest on how I feel about the TF700. Before the JB update, the tablet was slow. After the JB update, the tablet was still slow! I love the concept behind the TF700, and it's a beautiful tablet. But, it really does just suck because of its I/O.
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I'll be completely honest on how I feel about the TF700. Before the JB update, the tablet was slow. After the JB update, the tablet was still slow! I love the concept behind the TF700, and it's a beautiful tablet. But, it really does just suck because of its I/O.
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I really must just be lucky because I honestly have not experienced any of the lag or crashes that other people report. Yeah, transfer speed over USB is unusually slow, but it's still better than what USB 1.1 was
Honestly, from all that I've read, this tab is hit or miss. You will either have an absolute dream machine or you will have a nightmare. If you are #1, congrats and have fun with this beast. If you are #2 and it's too late to return it, try out all the roms and see which you like best. Even though the custom roms are fun on this tablet, I return time after time to just plain ol' rooted de-odexed stock and remove the bloat myself. This has consistently given me the best overall results
It sounds closed minded, but I don't think it's hit or miss. The I/O issue has run in the Transformer line up from the beginning. I was foolish to believe they would get it under control by the TF700. I love the tablet, I do, but its I/O is undeniably terrible. There's times when it runs flawless for me. But there other times where I can't even stand to use it. I haven't had a single freeze or reboot on JB, Just times of slow performance. If this thing had a better I/O, it would be the best damn tablet ever.
I'm really scared for the Vivo tab, it might have an I/O issue too. God forbid you have an I/O issue with Windows....
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Not only is the i/o bad (usually code for slow random read/write), but the sequential read is also horrendous. It takes forever for this tablet to load.
The solution would be more ram or to mount the device on an external microsd with better performance.
That being said the infinitys all weve got for fhd tablets until the bew samsung nexus fhd tablet cominf out next year (which will probably be gimped because google wont allow external storage on nexus devices).
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I never had any problems with my tablet on a stock firmware (latest JB). What annoyed me very much is the slugish performance.
Navigation between screens and applications is annoying. I often use google reader and adobe acrobat to read PDFs, and they were so bad.
I do also have samsung galaxy s3 which flies comparing to TF700. My gf has ipad3 which is uber fast too.
So, I've decided to try out CleanRom and so far it's good. It's definitely faster and more smooth.
I have my tablet now 3 weeks. After byuing it I was 4 days on ICS and then got the update to JB.
The speed difference is immense and I have no sluggishness at all.
Only thing I have is that 1 time it wouldn't come out of deep sleep (had to reboot) and had 1 spontaneous reboot since then.
Froze many bloat apps and that gave the tablet some air to breathe RAM wise.
But stock browser is very fast and last week I could compare it to an Ipad3 and speed is quite the same. It depends more on the Wifi speed available.
Opening apps is instantly and fast so no complaints here.
Strange that the experience of some users is totally different.
But let's say there are now 1 million Infinity's sold, a very minority have probs because (proven) people who have complaints will look for it on the internet and will start complaining there also.
But who has no probs will not come here, for sure the majority of users.
So do not magnify the probs more than needed and do not generalize them.
But for sure complain to ASUS asking for a solution depending of the prob by either replacing the defective unit or come quickly with an software update.
Just my 2c
Hey all,
Just got the Infinity Pad, and I love it!
Well, almost... I'm still going to root and flash the thing...
Anyway, I just want to ask what people's experience with the dock is. I know it has its own firmware, and I also know that there are changes in how things work once I plug it in. I don't want to lose this functionality , so I wanted to check first.
Are there any issues that pop up at all when flashing the tablet, or do all of the features work? I still want the second battery meter and the multi-touch capabilities on the trackpad, for example. Also, while I'm here, one more thing: Are there custom ROMs for the dock out there?
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Hey all,
Just got the Infinity Pad, and I love it!
Well, almost... I'm still going to root and flash the thing...
Anyway, I just want to ask what people's experience with the dock is. I know it has its own firmware, and I also know that there are changes in how things work once I plug it in. I don't want to lose this functionality , so I wanted to check first.
Are there any issues that pop up at all when flashing the tablet, or do all of the features work? I still want the second battery meter and the multi-touch capabilities on the trackpad, for example. Also, while I'm here, one more thing: Are there custom ROMs for the dock out there?
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CleanRom will work with the dock as the stock. I am not sure of the other ROMs out there but I know 100% that Cromi does work with the dock. Whatever issues that pop up in Cromi can be reported to sbdags and he will do what he can. And I am not sure about the firmware for the dock. The firmware updates for the dock come with the ota Asus updates I believe.
Tylor
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Rom: CleanRom 3.4.4
Tylorw1 said:
CleanRom will work with the dock as the stock. I am not sure of the other ROMs out there but I know 100% that Cromi does work with the dock. Whatever issues that pop up in Cromi can be reported to sbdags and he will do what he can. And I am not sure about the firmware for the dock. The firmware updates for the dock come with the ota Asus updates I believe.
Tylor
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Rom: CleanRom 3.4.4
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I second that completely. In my case, I had the dock when I was at stock JB ROM and now after switching to the CROMI v3.4.4 the keydock experience simply is the same. All the keys are working, including the special keys like settings, screen brightness, volume, browser etc. Also the touch pad comes in handy, including the swiping and pinch to zoom.
What's not clear to me is the firmware thing. As far as I know the dock firmware is part of the stock ROM, like being a particular folder somewhere in the systems area. As such, I suspect it should be part of CROMI as well. What I don't know is what triggers an update process in the case there is new firmware.
All the same, I also don't know how all the other ROMs out there are working. With CROMI it does.
EDIT: Forgot to mention: (with CROMI) you will have the second battery meter, including the Asus widget.
Tylorw1 said:
And I am not sure about the firmware for the dock. The firmware updates for the dock come with the ota Asus updates I believe.
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FordPrefect said:
What's not clear to me is the firmware thing. As far as I know the dock firmware is part of the stock ROM, like being a particular folder somewhere in the systems area. As such, I suspect it should be part of CROMI as well. What I don't know is what triggers an update process in the case there is new firmware.
All the same, I also don't know how all the other ROMs out there are working. With CROMI it does.
EDIT: Forgot to mention: (with CROMI) you will have the second battery meter, including the Asus widget.
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Tylorw and FordPrefect have answered the questions regarding the functionality already, and I have nothing to add to their descrption: it simply works on CROMI. On other ROMs there are (sometimes many) issues -- in their beginnings, the shortcuts were not working at all, and with some of them we have seen this problem creep up every time a major update was issued. Also, certain ASUS-specific functionality, like the IPS/IPS+ toggle is not (and possibly will never be) available with non-stock-based ROMs.
mini-TL;DR: if you really vallue full dock functionality, stay with CROMI.
Regarding the dockfirmware updates: we've had a CleamROM update (so Scott's original CROM, not sbdags' CROMI) that included firmware updates for the camera and the touchpad. I have no idea where ASUS hides them -- I didn't bother looking that up -- but it just shows you could still receive updates to the (dock) firmware if you're going the stock-based custom ROM route...
MartyHulskemper said:
Tylorw and FordPrefect have answered the questions regarding the functionality already, and I have nothing to add to their descrption: it simply works on CROMI. On other ROMs there are (sometimes many) issues -- in their beginnings, the shortcuts were not working at all, and with some of them we have seen this problem creep up every time a major update was issued. Also, certain ASUS-specific functionality, like the IPS/IPS+ toggle is not (and possibly will never be) available with non-stock-based ROMs.
mini-TL;DR: if you really vallue full dock functionality, stay with CROMI.
Regarding the dockfirmware updates: we've had a CleamROM update (so Scott's original CROM, not sbdags' CROMI) that included firmware updates for the camera and the touchpad. I have no idea where ASUS hides them -- I didn't bother looking that up -- but it just shows you could still receive updates to the (dock) firmware if you're going the stock-based custom ROM route...
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Thanks guys for your help, I'm glad I asked, since you listed some issues with other ROMs. I'll play around with this thing this weekend, and try out CROMI .
Once again, I appreciate the help. I'm not always sure anymore, message boards used to be the safe place for the most noob question, nowadays, it's hit and miss...
Flashed mine last week to CROMI and first thing I check were all the keys. Everything seemed good and the double widget worked for me as well. I have had to much time to play and didn't check to see if my firmware on the dock was old. I I'll check that tonight.
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Mikey1969 said:
Will anything change with my dock
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Short answer is no
Both CM10.1 (by now) and CRomI make advantage of the dock, and although my prefence goes to CRomI, I have seen great development in the CM10.1 section, more specifically how the rom makes use of the dock.
So no worries!
Root it and have a much faster (almost blazing) piece of aesthetic machinery!
Mikey1969 said:
Thanks guys for your help, I'm glad I asked, since you listed some issues with other ROMs. I'll play around with this thing this weekend, and try out CROMI .
Once again, I appreciate the help. I'm not always sure anymore, message boards used to be the safe place for the most noob question, nowadays, it's hit and miss...
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I'm sure yo uwill not be disappointed, and with issues, we're here to help as well as we can.
As far as the noob bashing is concerned: it's not too bad in here. I'm possibly one of the most agressive members -- at least as far as cases of non-reading are concerned. Some people just can't be bothered to use the search function, or even glance over the 5 similarly named topics on the first page of a forum ("howz do I n00b root JB?"), and sometimes that really gets to me. Or people being unappreciative of the many hours of life we all put in here, especially our great devs. It's a calling of some dubous sort, but still it's a hobby, it's not a paid job.
Yours was a legitimate question, though, so as far as I am concerned you're in the clear. Hahaha!
MartyHulskemper said:
I'm sure yo uwill not be disappointed, and with issues, we're here to help as well as we can.
As far as the noob bashing is concerned: it's not too bad in here. I'm possibly one of the most agressive members -- at least as far as cases of non-reading are concerned. Some people just can't be bothered to use the search function, or even glance over the 5 similarly named topics on the first page of a forum ("howz do I n00b root JB?"), and sometimes that really gets to me. Or people being unappreciative of the many hours of life we all put in here, especially our great devs. It's a calling of some dubous sort, but still it's a hobby, it's not a paid job.
Yours was a legitimate question, though, so as far as I am concerned you're in the clear. Hahaha!
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Yeah, the biggest offender in user forums has been Adobe. Back around 2002, '03, when I was still in school, they were a great way to figure out how to use new tools, and work your way through problems. Eventually they turned into a superiority-fest, with nothing but flaming. You'd mention that you needed to handle files a certain way, or use certain file formats, and instead of help, you'd just get a bunch of replies calling you a moron for doing the proces the way you were doing it, stuff like that. It got bad enough that I quit using them altogether after 4-5 years of referring people to them whenever possible.
I've been staying away from this board only because I'm not a dev, just a user, and I figured this was a little above my pay grade, so to speak, but over the last couple of years, I've ended up here more and more, so I'm really liking the community! :good:
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Yeah, the biggest offender in user forums has been Adobe. Back around 2002, '03, when I was still in school, they were a great way to figure out how to use new tools, and work your way through problems. Eventually they turned into a superiority-fest, with nothing but flaming. You'd mention that you needed to handle files a certain way, or use certain file formats, and instead of help, you'd just get a bunch of replies calling you a moron for doing the proces the way you were doing it, stuff like that. It got bad enough that I quit using them altogether after 4-5 years of referring people to them whenever possible.
I've been staying away from this board only because I'm not a dev, just a user, and I figured this was a little above my pay grade, so to speak, but over the last couple of years, I've ended up here more and more, so I'm really liking the community! :good:
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Most of us are not developers themselves, but just well-meaning halfnoobs. (I'm speaking for myself here, no need for anyone else to feel offended. ) XDA is OK, but a little sometimes not-so-)friendly 'policing' has to be done to keep it that way. Sometimes it only takes a little nudge -- I'd rather have us cleanse ourselves than to be dependent on a moderator for every single time something small happens. These guys -- although REALLY relaxed in our parts -- do have a lot to deal with without us giving them more to do. If it really gets too hot too handle, I mostly back out anyway, or go the PM route.
CM10.1 plays nice with dock.
Mikey1969 said:
Hey all,
Just got the Infinity Pad, and I love it!
Well, almost... I'm still going to root and flash the thing...
Anyway, I just want to ask what people's experience with the dock is. I know it has its own firmware, and I also know that there are changes in how things work once I plug it in. I don't want to lose this functionality , so I wanted to check first.
Are there any issues that pop up at all when flashing the tablet, or do all of the features work? I still want the second battery meter and the multi-touch capabilities on the trackpad, for example. Also, while I'm here, one more thing: Are there custom ROMs for the dock out there?
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CM10.1 works well with the dock, all function keys work, you will just not get the onscreen notifications that they have been pressed (and screen brightness is a bt more laggy but still works fine). if you want button press notifications for function keys you can turn them on in CM10.1 settings but they pop up in the notification drawer rather than in the darkened rectangle in the center of the screen. I think CM10.1 is worth any mild decrease in dock functionality (like no function key notifications). Not sure about the USB port on any ROMS.
hey you all. im shopping for a used tablet and I have seen a few of these TF700 and also tf300 going online for around $150 10.1 screen.looks like the tf300 is the lower model version
Just wondering how is the community going on here with these tablets? looks like its still going strong and supported!
Anything i should know about these tablets or should I stay away from these. seems like a good tablet for a good price and it also seems these tablets are pretty fast
Thanks for your advice and help!
they are fast for the first month, then go to utter ****. you will have to wipe it clean and fresh install your roms on it biweekly in order for it to be usable. the specs and price are tempting, but the track record of them sucks, avoid at all cost.
iateshaggy said:
they are fast for the first month, then go to utter ****. you will have to wipe it clean and fresh install your roms on it biweekly in order for it to be usable. the specs and price are tempting, but the track record of them sucks, avoid at all cost.
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What about the ME302C asus? I can get one for about the same price. Specs look better and the tablet is newer
do you plan on rooting or romming the tablet or are you happy with stock?
iateshaggy said:
they are fast for the first month, then go to utter ****. you will have to wipe it clean and fresh install your roms on it biweekly in order for it to be usable. the specs and price are tempting, but the track record of them sucks, avoid at all cost.
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iateshaggy said:
do you plan on rooting or romming the tablet or are you happy with stock?
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Rooting custom rom
But I made up my mind. Im going to get the Asus ME302 instead of this. Seems better and same price. But i dont see a section for the 302 device (sad face)
cpugeeker said:
Rooting custom rom
But I made up my mind. Im going to get the Asus ME302 instead of this. Seems better and same price. But i dont see a section for the 302 device (sad face)
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there is a good chance that means there is no development on it, like roms... search for the modding process on what ever you buy before you buy so you don't get disappointed.
iateshaggy said:
there is a good chance that means there is no development on it, like roms... search for the modding process on what ever you buy before you buy so you don't get disappointed.
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there is some threads on it, nevermind non on roms, Geez i really like that tab too
iateshaggy said:
there is a good chance that means there is no development on it, like roms... search for the modding process on what ever you buy before you buy so you don't get disappointed.
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So now my choices are the me301t, tf300
Changed my mind again. i think im going to go with this tablet.. The screen and quad core got my heart, i could get a me302 btu the screen is not as good as this one
go ahead and get a class 10 sd card too then. apparently rom2sd is the only way to get these things to work but i haven't confirmed that first hand...yet.
With the right rom and data2sd (rom2sd is for dual booting - doesn't add anything to performance) the TF700 is a really nice tablet.
But check prices for the TF701. They've been coming down and even with the best custom rom on the TF700, the TF701 is MUCH better even on stock.
But then - the development community around the TF700 is wider, very active, loads of fun and deeply dedicated to make it the best it can be.
Much less going on in the TF701 forums and that it is pretty darn good out of the box probably has a lot to with it.
For the record: I own both and have been tinkering with both for close to 2 and 1 year respectively.
I just got the TF700 after coming from the TF300. I must say while I like the TF700 screen reso, I cannot believe the amount of jittery-ness it has. The TF300 is smooth as butter. But the TF700 has some jittery-ness to it. Even simple things like switching home page you can see a bit of stuttering going on. Opening apps drawer is the same thing. (I'm using apex launcher btw). I'm not a huge gamer. Mainly was gonna use this for development and movies/web browsing. Which is does just fine. I highly recommend the TF701 though. I may just sell both my tablets for the TF701. However, like berndblb said, there is a lot of development going on for the TF700. TF701 is non existent (Too new i guess?)
EDIT: About data2sd, never used it and never had to. Don't know why everyone thinks you absolutely need it. because you dont.
elesbb said:
I just got the TF700 after coming from the TF300. I must say while I like the TF700 screen reso, I cannot believe the amount of jittery-ness it has. The TF300 is smooth as butter. But the TF700 has some jittery-ness to it. Even simple things like switching home page you can see a bit of stuttering going on. Opening apps drawer is the same thing. (I'm using apex launcher btw). I'm not a huge gamer. Mainly was gonna use this for development and movies/web browsing. Which is does just fine. I highly recommend the TF701 though. I may just sell both my tablets for the TF701. However, like berndblb said, there is a lot of development going on for the TF700. TF701 is non existent (Too new i guess?)
EDIT: About data2sd, never used it and never had to. Don't know why everyone thinks you absolutely need it. because you dont.
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Well - non-existent is a bit harsh. pershoot is maintaining CM and sbdags has a CROMi-X for the 701. There's another unofficial AOSP that I have not tried.
If you never tried data2sd you don't know what you're missing
Especially on the TF700 with it's slow emmc (did you say jittery-ness, did you mention stuttering? LOL) it does make quite a difference.
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Well - non-existent is a bit harsh. pershoot is maintaining CM and sbdags has a CROMi-X for the 701. There's another unofficial AOSP that I have not tried.
If you never tried data2sd you don't know what you're missing
Especially on the TF700 with it's slow emmc (did you say jittery-ness, did you mention stuttering? LOL) it does make quite a difference.
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Yeah I guess non-existent is a bit harsh . Pershoot is doing a great job from what it looks. I am trying to stick with LP for my development device to make sure my apps work on the latest version of Android.
And when I said jittery-ness, its seems more GPU related then writing to the memory blocks. Like simply switching home pages, how's that related to writing to memory?
came across a asus 301T for $75.. are those any good?