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[Q] Lost My Sensation, HTCSense Website not working anymore?

I was at the gym yesterday and apparently I might have left it there by mistake, I went to the htc sense site to track it down but apparently they 'renovated it' and now you can't track it! Is there any way I can track it down after its lost (or stolen I guess)?
I downloaded Plan B but apparently it didn't install correctly or something because I didnt get any email yet (probably since there isn't any wifi where the phone is)
Quite a stupid move from htc to shut down such a good feature like that :/

Sorry for your loss, that really sucks dude. HTC did warn people they were going to remove that feature a couple of months ago. I rather liked it as well. The only other thing I can think of right now is, try having your service provider track it down using the phones gps. Sometimes it works. Good luck.
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Well Im gonna go to the police station tomorrow, they SHOULD be able to track it down, but I highly doubt their efficiency -.-'
Thanks mate : ) Also, from now onwards, I'm installing Prey on every device I own!

Uh the police won't find ****. Call your carrier and find out the insurance company if sprint or Verizon its asurion or similar. I hope ya got insurance I don't think $6 a month is bad.
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Vodafone doesn't track phones where I live, only the police do that. They are successful (sometimes) but not in my past cases haha.
Oh well, we'll see what'll happen.

R3dn0ze said:
Well Im gonna go to the police station tomorrow, they SHOULD be able to track it down, but I highly doubt their efficiency -.-'
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Because the police have nothing better to do than to look for your LOST phone...smh.

Avast. 'Nuff said.

Behold_this said:
Because the police have nothing better to do than to look for your LOST phone...smh.
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Really? By saying lost I was being polite. If I really just lost it at the gym it would be on the machine where I left it on, which it wasn't the next day. Whoever took it took off the sim card cos it wont dial and I had it charged an hour before gym so the battery should still be working.
So yes, still think its just 'lost'?

R3dn0ze said:
Really? By saying lost I was being polite. If I really just lost it at the gym it would be on the machine where I left it on, which it wasn't the next day. Whoever took it took off the sim card cos it wont dial and I had it charged an hour before gym so the battery should still be working.
So yes, still think its just 'lost'?
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Umm...YES!
R3dn0ze said:
I was at the gym yesterday and apparently I might have left it there by mistake
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You left it somewhere, someone picked it up, YOUR FAULT! It's not stolen and whoever has it would not be prosecuted for picking it up. Maybe you should pay more attention to your $500 piece of technical equipment. Only a truly entitled person would believe that the police should take time away from investigating murders, kidnappings, and assaults, to find their phone. Is your phone that important? Is this what you are telling us?

Behold_this said:
Umm...YES!
You left it somewhere, someone picked it up, YOUR FAULT! It's not stolen and whoever has it would not be prosecuted for picking it up. Maybe you should pay more attention to your $500 piece of technical equipment. Only a truly entitled person would believe that the police should take time away from investigating murders, kidnappings, and assaults, to find their phone. Is your phone that important? Is this what you are telling us?
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Maybe he should pay more attention but you cannot say it is his fault somebody took it and didn't give it to the gyms reception or to the police. I would do so if I found something lost. In my opinion they should track it because stealing is a crime too, isn't it.
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R3dn0ze said:
So yes, still think its just 'lost'?
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It's not lost, you just don't know who has it.

LLLeeo said:
Maybe he should pay more attention but you cannot say it is his fault somebody took it and didn't give it to the gyms reception or to the police. I would do so if I found something lost. In my opinion they should track it because stealing is a crime too, isn't it.
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Thank god someone with an open mind found this thread :f
Anyway, there aint much to do for now I guess. Thanks guys

Maybe you're lucky. As I heard HTC maintainances the HTC Sense website at the moment. But if the thief is smart enough he knows he could easyly reset the phone and you cannot track it anymore. Did you write to the support about your problem?

LLLeeo said:
Maybe you're lucky. As I heard HTC maintainances the HTC Sense website at the moment. But if the thief is smart enough he knows he could easyly reset the phone and you cannot track it anymore. Did you write to the support about your problem?
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Indeed I did, well I had a custom rom so maybe he'd find it difficult due to the different drivers that might not be compatible with what he's used to. Also, I contacted support and they said the phone can be 'locked' if I give them the IMEI and Serial Number, which I did. lets see what will happen!

R3dn0ze said:
Indeed I did, well I had a custom rom so maybe he'd find it difficult due to the different drivers that might not be compatible with what he's used to. Also, I contacted support and they said the phone can be 'locked' if I give them the IMEI and Serial Number, which I did. lets see what will happen!
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Wouldn't the phone just be locked out? I'm also curious... if it was used in a different country/provider, would it work? I would assume it'd work since the chances of your provider blocking the IMEI in the entire earth would be unlikely! If so, the answers seem pretty straightforward as to what will happen lol. Either it'll get sold or just not be usable!

KAwAtA said:
Wouldn't the phone just be locked out? I'm also curious... if it was used in a different country/provider, would it work? I would assume it'd work since the chances of your provider blocking the IMEI in the entire earth would be unlikely! If so, the answers seem pretty straightforward as to what will happen lol. Either it'll get sold or just not be usable!
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Nono HTC told me they will block the phone themselves, so apparently it should be unusable worldwide I hope!

If it is in the wrong hands then it has probably been torn down and used for parts at this point. It's become a growing trend around here with lots of aftermarket repair companies getting busted for being nothing more than chop shops...

Well, here's what they said after giving them my IMEI number
"Dear sir again, we are really sorry for what happened with your device and we apologize for the inconvenience regarding HTCSense functionality. We will enter your data in our system, and we will list your device as stolen one. As soon as somebody tries to contact us with this data we will notify the authorities.
Thank you for your patience and understanding. "

Make AT&T listen

Maybe this will help AT&T to hear it's customers. Granted, most subscribers are not interested in rooting and or flashing their phones, but there are a number of us that are. We have paid for this device with upgrade fees and agreeing to ETF's if we break our contracts early. Either way, AT&T is not going to be out money. SO why are they and Verizon holding us hostage and not allowing us to do with our devices as we please? I can understand them not supporting unlocked bootloaders and non-AT&T ROM's. We all know the risks in rooting and flashing and understand that we could very easily create a $600 paperweight, but that is our decision, not theirs.
Anyways, I am thinking the only way to get their attention is to go straight to the people who are in charge and making decisions as well as have the ability to change policy. Below are the names and email addresses of the major players in these positions. Let them hear from the entire XDA community how fed up we are with their dictating what we can and will do with our property.
If anyone does use these addresses, be responsible in your wording to get the point across. As we all are aware that writing a letter telling them that they're stupid and a bunch of asses will not get anything done. You can catch more bees with honey than you can with vinegar. Maybe, just maybe they will listen and reverse their locked bootloader stance. I'm not asking nor expecting them to cover a device that I have screwed up, but to let me make the decision to do it.
Carlton Hill VP-Consumer Devices Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-404-986-9923
Jeff Bradley SVP-Devices Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-425-580-8269
David Christopher Chief Marketing Officer-Mobility Email: [email protected] Fax: 1-404-986-1259
Ralph De La Vega President & Chief Executive Officer-Mobility Email: [email protected]
Randall Stephenson Chairman & Ceo Email: [email protected]
Speak up and be heard.

If a device is gonna have a locked bootloader, it should be like the htcs. HTC locks their bootloaders, however they have a site called htc-dev that will allow you to unlock your bootloader but by doing so they now know you have an unlocked bootloader and your devices flagged to avoid fraud. Its genious really as it gives us a choice if we want to unlock and lose warranty or stay locked and keep warranty...but I guess that kinda of thing is up to manufacturers not carriers
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mg2195 said:
If a device is gonna have a locked bootloader, it should be like the htcs. HTC locks their bootloaders, however they have a site called htc-dev that will allow you to unlock your bootloader but by doing so they now know you have an unlocked bootloader and your devices flagged to avoid fraud. Its genious really as it gives us a choice if we want to unlock and lose warranty or stay locked and keep warranty...but I guess that kinda of thing is up to manufacturers not carriers
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You REALLY shouldn't blanket lose your warranty for unlocking the bootloader.
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sign the petition
I can't post the link to the petition due to post restriction.... I read a lot post not so much.. but the petition for unlocking the S4 boot-loader is on changedotorg and the link is in the general section as well.... So let get this done. @ last check it was 80 + signatures needed. I know some will say this does nothing but it's a step in the right direction... in addition to pounding these Exec's will phone calls and Fax's.

eallan said:
You REALLY shouldn't blanket lose your warranty for unlocking the bootloader.
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With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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mg2195 said:
With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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Technically you can't up and void a warranty in its entirety. That's not the point though a million things unrelated to software can go wrong and getting a claim rejected for some software tweaking is wrong.
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mg2195 said:
With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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I have to agree. Just as if you put a supercharger on your car and the engine blows, the manufacturer is not on the hook and not going to cover it under warranty, and they shouldn't.
Hopefully the emails and faxed letters to the executives will wake them up to the fact that this could be very damaging to them in the long run. Just because AT&T and Verizon are the two biggest, doesn't mean that the mighty can't fall. I read today that T-Mobile added 277k customers in the last quarter I believe...and as they grow so does their coverage. Wake up AT&T, don't alienate your customers.

eallan said:
Technically you can't up and void a warranty in its entirety. That's not the point though a million things unrelated to software can go wrong and getting a claim rejected for some software tweaking is wrong.
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The software put out by the companies is hardcore tested and then put under warranty so if something happens you're covered. But if you tamper with the software in anyway then that's your fault and not the companies. It's not fair to AT&T when they seal the device for your safety and then you go and tamper with it, **** up, and then point your finger at them when they did nothing wrong.
Sorry but waiving warranty is only fair once you begin going against what they advertise. I mean if they covered you for bad flashes, they would get bricks left and right and lose a lot of money over people not reading and following proper procedure.
I totally agree with how HTC does the unlocking, it's fair for both sides, you get your unlocked device, HTC doesn't have to worry about you committing fraud. Simple.

Thermalwolf said:
The software put out by the companies is hardcore tested and then put under warranty so if something happens you're covered. But if you tamper with the software in anyway then that's your fault and not the companies. It's not fair to AT&T when they seal the device for your safety and then you go and tamper with it, **** up, and then point your finger at them when they did nothing wrong.
Sorry but waiving warranty is only fair once you begin going against what they advertise. I mean if they covered you for bad flashes, they would get bricks left and right and lose a lot of money over people not reading and following proper procedure.
I totally agree with how HTC does the unlocking, it's fair for both sides, you get your unlocked device, HTC doesn't have to worry about you committing fraud. Simple.
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Never said they should cover anyone's screw ups. They should honor the warranty 100% if you didn't cause the issue. Period. My bad flash won't cause the casing to crack or a dead pixel.
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Its all about money. Locked bootloader prevents people from getting this phone for 99 or 199, then sell on ebay for $400-500.
You want unlocked phone? Get developers edition.
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They are not to listen to customers who have already bought from them and have their service, once they lock you in, you are had, period!

Here's the deal... The AT&T bootloaders are not open source. They do not have to unlock them. Samsung cannot unlock them. At&t would have to allow Samsung to unlock them. Not saying I don't want unlocked bootloaders, but it's unlikely to happen anytime soon. I am honestly tired of seeing these topics and posts. It is mucking up the forums with redundancy. We get it. You want unlocked bootloaders. But stop making a new thread about it every day. It is ridiculous. I have seen just as many of these topics as I have seen about people bricking their phones on MF3 in the last week.
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You want to make a statement, get 200K to cancel their service in a quarter. Avg plan $100 and that's $20,000,000 you better believe that will get some attention.
Not email or faxing your discontent on the product they provide.
On T-mobile, we have been upgrading their network and right now, their LTE is faster, in at least NYC and Boroughs right now. ATT is just starting to do their upgrade but they are behind in at least this market.

I don't think any number of letters or petitions is going to change AT&T execs' minds. I also don't think that locking the bootloaders has to do with warranty replacements, after all, whomever wants to flash different software are still going to try to. If they really were looking to reduce the number of replacements due to bad flashes, the software would be as open as possible so there wouldn't be a need for workarounds and custom recoveries, which is where people usually mess up. You messed up your flash? Just download the original software from AT&T, put it in your microSD, turn the phone in this way, and press reflash. No need to send for repairs.
I think it has to do more with the culture of control that AT&T has, either that or AT&T and Verizon keep daring each other to fu/&%k more with their costumers. It goes with forcing a data plan even if you buy your own smartphone from Ebay, rather than just letting you pay by the Kb. Same as forcing stupid and redundant apps (contacts, navigator, locker) and making then not removable in the stock firmware. And putting their logo everywhere on the phone, including a big animation on the boot screen that you cannot remove to let you know that you're using their stuff.
It may also have to do with advertisement and collection of personal info. A custom ROM would probably not send the personal info they rightfully deserve, you know, after also getting our money (or so I would hope).

mg2195 said:
With the amount of people that dont read before flashing and end up bricking their devices and sending into warranty due to bad flashes...I find waiving your warranty for a bootloader unlock perfectly understandable.
Anyways technically you waive you warranty the moment you root your phone...or flash anything...hence the disclaimors on almost every dev thread "YOUR WARRANTY IS NOW VOID" sooo....unlocking a biitloader should waive your warranty
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in a perfect world it would void software support, htc has done a *pretty* good job, then again im not sure if they stopped unlocking bootloaders for the att htc one yet.

I've been with AT&T for seven years, back when Cingular was around, and today I switched to T-Mobile. I don't know why they decided to pull the locked bootloader card and frankly I don't care, but the blanket statement they issued a while back gave me all the reason I need. T-Mobile has fine coverage where I live, good speeds, unlimited data and tethering, two upgrades a year and most importantly an unlocked bootloader. It's really a no-brainer at this point. I just renewed with AT&T in late July so I had to eat the cancellation fee, but the new plan is so much cheaper I make up the cost in a couple of months anyway.
I wish everyone on MF3 the best of luck, but I'm voting with my wallet on this one. Nothing is more satisfying than seeing TWRP on my screen again.

Well I guess I will switch up when my contract ends.
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Good news for EU people!

If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.

Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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ShadowLea said:
Yes, we know.
We've been through this same thing with the TF700, where unlocking your bootloader needs to be done with the official asus tool, which then gives you a voiding prompt and registers your deviceID as unlocked.
I'm the one who stepped to the EU court about it and passed it to the media...
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We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.

TheExodus said:
If you live in the EU, Samsung can't void your warranty because of Knox accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
It dictates that any object meeting certain criteria (including telephones, computers, routers etc.) being sold to a consumer inside the European Union, has to carry a warranty from the seller that the device will meet the quality that you would expect for such a device for a period of 2 years. A telephone is an example of such a device and is an object that comprises many parts, from the case to the screen to the radio, to a mini-computer, to the battery, to the software that runs it. If any of these parts stop working in those 2 years, the seller has to fix or replace them. What is more these repairs should not cost the consumer a single cent, the seller has to cover the expenses (Directive 1999/44/CE, §3). If the seller has any expenses for returning it to the manufacturer, this is not your problem as a consumer.
If your device becomes defective in the first 6 months, it is presumed that the defect was there all along, so you should not need to prove anything. If your device becomes defective after the first 6 months, but before 2 years run out, you are still covered. The difference is only that if the defect arises now, the seller can claim that the defect was caused by some action that was triggered by non-normal use of the device.
Unless the seller can prove that modifying the software, rooting your device or flashing it with some other OS or firmware was the cause for the defect, you are still covered for defects during those 2 years. A good test to see if it is the software’s fault is to flash it back with stock firmware and see if the problem persists. If it does, it is not a software-caused problem. If it is not possible to revert it stock software any more, it is also not a software-caused defect (unless you have "bricked" the phone while flashing it, un-bricking is not covered by any statutory warranty). There are very few hardware defects that are caused by software (overriding the speaker volume above the safe level could blow the speaker.
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one

iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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iba21 said:
yop, this should be the truth, but, the real is, no-one gives warranty if you modify something of it's product. If you buy a car and modify something in it, warranty will be avoid.
only one thing you could do is to start a big class action, but, when i say big, i'm meaning BIG!
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.

Yrcimim said:
Stop FUDding please. If you damage or change the hardware, yes. But software or even firmware changes don't matter: if the device stops working, it should be replaced. And there's no such thing as a class action over here. .. Other laws you know.
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riz157 said:
That's what they would lead us yo believe but not factual. Do you how many people get deterred from claiming warranty because of such statements? Software is completely different from hardware when it comes to warranty. I myself have phones replaced even though rooted. I'm sending another one for repairs.
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Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
Justice and real life are not synonymous

iba21 said:
Well, i'm not defending samsung, i'm pro modding, as you can see in my signature
The only thing is, if you unlock the phone you can have problems with warranty.. is it legal? Well, suppouse it's unlegal, you have a damage phone, you send it to samsung, it doesen't fix the for free, what will you do?
Justice and real life are not synonymous
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Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)

Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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well, this is absolutely correct :good::good:

iba21 said:
i repeat, no-one gives warranty of it's product if you change something in it, no-one
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Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
TheExodus said:
Many manufacturers of consumer devices write into their warranties a paragraph that by changing the software or “rooting” your device, you void the warranty, thats NOT legitimate.
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a Manufaturer May do this since the Manucaturer Warranty is optional and has nothing to do with the warranty of the seller.
Tiny Clanger said:
Under EU law, your contract is with the seller, so you send the phone to them, not Samsung. If they then send it to Samsung who say "sorry, warranty void" the seller's still on the hook for repairing or replacing.
Obviously this means buying direct from Samsung is a bad idea It's best to buy from someone who's fairly good with returns (ie direct from Amazon rather than from some Amazon Marketplace seller you never heard of, even if they are £20 cheaper…)
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Well, even IF you buy it from Samsung, the EU seller warranty (I'm grateful Germany has 2 seperate words for those) isnt Affected by EULAs and whatnot. even if they say they wont repair it for the manufacturer warranty, you still have the option to say they're also the seller, so the seller warranty applies...

orbitech said:
We know, and we thank you. We've read your relevant thread about this.
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I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine

If you read the warranty card...according to Sammy ...anything you do, even an app install, would void the warranty. check teh small print. That's why we have EU directives. Also, bad experience, we lately had a Toshiba Quismo refused to warranty repair because we downgraded to WIN7...Sammy still has 5 star CS compared to others

even an app install???
can you quote me that?
OMG then the US practically has no warranty for Samsung SMartphones at all...

... accordingly to EU warranty Law 1999/44/CE.
This is not a EU law but a Directive 1999/44/CE from EU and a Directive is not a Law.
Like You see here at step [1]:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801
I quote:
[1] EU member states must have by now imported the Directive 1999/44/CE into their national laws. So you should quote also your local law on that topic.
To see if You have on Your Country National Laws about see here:
http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:71999L0044:EN:NOT
Click on Your Country.

My1xT said:
Well, no.
have a computer and Install linux. Say your CD Drive or whatever gets damaged, NO ONE will say: "you have modified the system on your Computer, so you dont get a warranty repair"...
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man, pc is not an EMBEDDED hardware.. pc has singolar warranty for each pcb/cpu
try to install a modded firmware of a new graphic card, try to brake it, and send the graphic card to the manufacture, try, and see if it will ben repaired even if YOU BROKE THE FIRMWARE BY A MODEDD ONE.. try :good:
try to broke the bios/efi of the motherboard of pc
or the firmware of the hdd/ssd
try to overclock rams over its max voltage
try

overclocking can damage the hardware itself, of course it's NOT keeping the warranty.
but why can android be not as modular in the sme fashion every part has it's own firmware and changing from Stock android to Cyano or whatnot should be seen as a similar process as changing from Windows to Ubuntu or whatnot...

My experience from sending a rooted Note 2 back to Samsung (I forgot to unroot it lol) was that they completely refused to do anything with it despite me asking nicely and then not so nicely!
When I unrooted it properly and sent it back, they fixed it without a quibble, thank god their records were crap!
I don't think I'll touch my Note 3 until all traces can be hidden from Samsung.

oalex said:
I see what you did there and me like it. Talk about killing someone with his own medicine
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Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.

ShadowLea said:
Her, mate.
Also, I did not make a thread because I might as well make one in every bloody device specific forum, as people here never use the search function when it is required anyway.
Plus it doesn't apply if you use a Carrier-bound phone. They have their own insurance, and you still have to pay the 192 euro 'research costs'.
I've stopped pointing out things. I spend almost a month pre-release telling everyone that the Region Lock was software-based and nobody believed me. Might as well not, as people don't listen anyway.
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And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?

oalex said:
And you think I care about all what you just wrote to me why?
Apart from the "her, mate" part, didn't you want to write the rest to someone else?
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I did, but for some reason the Multi-quote option didn't stick.
I also can't edit, and the search function also gives a blank page. Server seems to be having a fit again.

[KNOX] Finally a fix! Is this true!?

Apparently the new version of Easy Jtag will allow KNOX to be completely reset by factory formatting the emmc and writing an old bootloader back onto the device. I realise the question in the source was aimed at the S4 by the way...
Has anyone tried?
Source

jonboyuk said:
Apparently the new version of Easy Jtag will allow KNOX to be completely reset by factory formatting the emmc and writing an old bootloader back onto the device. I realise the question in the source was aimed at the S4 by the way...
Has anyone tried?
Source
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You need to hardwire the EMMC to reset KNOX.
I wouldn't recommend it! :good:

If that was the case, wouldn't that mean knox flag is not e-fuse? I don't think it's that complicated, but I don't see Note3 listed as supported device yet, maybe we should just wait and see what comes out of it. They have NYC number listed for a dealer, it could be the fix people are looking for. Few handy members could offer service for others for a small fee and there is already over $3000 bounty, so it could be an option in the future.

I guess there are owners like me who haven't formally pledged money for a solution but who would happily pay for a known working solution
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paul_59 said:
I guess there are owners like me who haven't formally pledged money for a solution but who would happily pay for a known working solution
Sent from my SM-N9005 using xda app-developers app
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Yeah....I don't know why...I won't donate to something I know isn't going to work....when it does work i'll happily donate

androidlover287 said:
Yeah....I don't know why...I won't donate to something I know isn't going to work....when it does work i'll happily donate
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I don't think you must see it as a donation, but more as a stimulation.....

pete4k said:
If that was the case, wouldn't that mean knox flag is not e-fuse? I don't think it's that complicated, but I don't see Note3 listed as supported device yet, maybe we should just wait and see what comes out of it. They have NYC number listed for a dealer, it could be the fix people are looking for. Few handy members could offer service for others for a small fee and there is already over $3000 bounty, so it could be an option in the future.
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Just as I thought. I also have Note 2 since 2012 eventually upgraded to 4.3 and there is KNOX ! Note 2 was never meant to have Knox, it is there because I voluntarily upgraded it to 4.3.

if you read the entire thread, on page 4 it states that this aint actually a working method and its been tested by someone on XDA

I have question...

Hello. I have a question. In 4 months my guarantee for my S7 Edge ends ... The phone is 3 years old, so it is not known when some parts will break down ... Therefore, the question is how to spoil the phone so that they can replace it with a new one. Thank you for every help. :angel: :laugh:
If it's important, phone is unmodded KNOX 0x0
PS. Moralizers can go to church...

nervous1301 said:
Hello. I have a question. In 4 months my guarantee for my S7 Edge ends ... The phone is 3 years old, so it is not known when some parts will break down ... Therefore, the question is how to spoil the phone so that they can replace it with a new one. Thank you for every help. [emoji14] :angel: [emoji23]
If it's important, phone is unmodded KNOX 0x0
PS. Moralizers can go to church...
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XDA is not the place for this kind of question, XDA does not approve of shady practices such as what you are asking. What you are asking is considered fraud, a form of stealing, we, the XDA members, can't(and won't) help with that, it is against the XDA rules.
Demoralizers should go somewhere else besides XDA to find assistance with their fraudulent practices.
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So... Can u tell me where i can find help with my problem ?