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In a nutshell. Im gettting married next weekend and purchased an Olympus SZ-30MR camera to film in 1080p. But it's eating through the propiety batteries really fast and it takes hours to charge.
I was going to buy the Sensation after the honeymoon. But now im thinking of getting one this week to do most of the filming.
People who have one already can you test:
1. How long you can film without it stopping? Cameras limited to 29 mins.
2. How much filming can you do until battery is nearly flat?
3. Is quality any good?
Will be using a 32 gb card.
Big thanks in advance.
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As far as I can see you're only limited by the size of your SD card. I just uploaded a quick test I did to youtube, it's probably still processing the higher quality versions. 30 second video is 38.6MB, 1920x1088 resolution (yes, 1088), 29fps.
It's definitely not the best video to check quality, but I was more interested in seeing the actual size of the videos created.
No clue on how much it drains battery as I've hardly used it so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70LGfTlsq4
Lazzzara said:
As far as I can see you're only limited by the size of your SD card. I just uploaded a quick test I did to youtube, it's probably still processing the higher quality versions. 30 second video is 38.6MB, 1920x1088 resolution (yes, 1088), 29fps.
It's definitely not the best video to check quality, but I was more interested in seeing the actual size of the videos created.
No clue on how much it drains battery as I've hardly used it so far
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U70LGfTlsq4
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Can you check the bit rate of that clip you posted? And is that in mp4?
cheers..
10596kbps and it's 3gp format. Thought that was strange. I always associate 3gp with the very first phone cameras.
can you upload a video for audioplayback test please ?
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10596kbps and it's 3gp format. Thought that was strange. I always associate 3gp with the very first phone cameras.
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Thanks mate. Did you check the settings for that? Maybe there are some options to switch between 3gp and mp4?
Not a fan of 3gp. Bit rate is on the lower side. How do you feel when you view the clips on TV/monitor?
No option to change file format. Seems to be 3gp for all quality settings.
While changing quality settings I did notice it tells you how much video you can take for each setting. I could do about 3 and a half hours on my 16GB, with about 15GB free space atm.
Video looks nice on my laptop (1080p screen) and a bit better on my TV (also 1080p) when I'm sat on the sofa of the other side of the room. It's obvious there's compression there, but it's better than what I was expecting for a phone camera, and I definitely don't see any need for a "real" camcorder as long as I have this. It's more than enough for any "home videos".
I would in no way use a mobile to film memorable things like a wedding as you will regret it.
Take a good look at the Sony Cybershot HX9 that records excellent 1080p video. Excellent image stabilization, video and sound quality. Excellent camera too!
Really don't even bother with any mobiles for things like that.
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Yeah go borrow/rent a good camera/camcorder or even hire a wedding film person (make sure they don't run off with your money). Video on phones is only for convenience. If you can do MUCH better, why wouldn't you?
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I would in no way use a mobile to film memorable things like a wedding as you will regret it.
Take a good look at the Sony Cybershot HX9 that records excellent 1080p video. Excellent image stabilization, video and sound quality. Excellent camera too!
Really don't even bother with any mobiles for things like that.
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Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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MaxReality said:
Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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The Sensation video as far as I can see after looking at a few Sensation videos on You Tube is even at 1080p its similar to the Desire HD video recording capabilities with the whole 'going dark and light all the time as you move around' which is ok but in honesty you will get better from a good compact camera as mobile video in general the sound is quite tin like.
I would try and get most capturing done on your compact camera as its going to be better. Shame you cant get a Sony Cybershot HX9 as that is a frigging awesome compact camera for photos and HD video just come out as well.
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Oops. No the mobile will be for video on the honeymoon which doesnt require zoom. Im stuck with a couple of Olympus SZ-30MR now. The zoom is pretty awesome at 24x.
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Ok. In MY opinion it should be good enough. Since you have the good camera which eats through the battery like mad I have the following impression. You were planning on getting the Sensation either way so might as well get it now. You can use the Olympus for those WOW moments and then use the Sensation for those fun spontaneous moments (seems good enough for that in my opinion) so you don't have to be constantly be worrying about the proprietary batteries and their charge.
But like I said, that's MY take on it.
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The Sensation video as far as I can see after looking at a few Sensation videos on You Tube is even at 1080p its similar to the Desire HD video recording capabilities with the whole 'going dark and light all the time as you move around' which is ok but in honesty you will get better from a good compact camera as mobile video in general the sound is quite tin like.
I would try and get most capturing done on your compact camera as its going to be better. Shame you cant get a Sony Cybershot HX9 as that is a frigging awesome compact camera for photos and HD video just come out as well.
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Just a note on sound, if the Sensation mic is as good as the HD2 I will be chuffed. Went to Ibiza last year and stood next to loud speakers filming, it didn't distort and can easily recreate the bass. Blown away by it not distorting.
Yeah new mobile should arrive today. Got a pretty mint deal to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for responses people.
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Just a note on sound, if the Sensation mic is as good as the HD2 I will be chuffed. Went to Ibiza last year and stood next to loud speakers filming, it didn't distort and can easily recreate the bass. Blown away by it not distorting.
Yeah new mobile should arrive today. Got a pretty mint deal to make it worthwhile.
Thanks for responses people.
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I hope you enjoy it and it lives up to your expectations.
Also I wish to say congratulations and I hope your wedding and honeymoon are everything you could wish for
Hey guys, I'm waiting on my tablet to come in from best buy. In the mean time I'm getting ready to start converting movies to be ready to throw on when it gets in and I get a 64gb card for it (hope it works without too much fighting). So I'm hoping some of you guys can help me out with video settings. I want a balance of size/quality. and to keep size as far under 1gb each as possible for a standard 90 minute movie. I'm also a huge Futurama/American Dad/ Family Guy/ Simpsons/Southpark fan so obviously lower quality can be used, so if you have converted this type of animated stuff, what settings seemed to give the smallest size while retaining quality for the TF700? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Hey guys, I'm waiting on my tablet to come in from best buy. In the mean time I'm getting ready to start converting movies to be ready to throw on when it gets in and I get a 64gb card for it (hope it works without too much fighting). So I'm hoping some of you guys can help me out with video settings. I want a balance of size/quality. and to keep size as far under 1gb each as possible for a standard 90 minute movie. I'm also a huge Futurama/American Dad/ Family Guy/ Simpsons/Southpark fan so obviously lower quality can be used, so if you have converted this type of animated stuff, what settings seemed to give the smallest size while retaining quality for the TF700? Any help would be appreciated. Thanks.
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IMHO even for animation thats way to low a bitrate. I would go with handbrake high profile, shoot for 3-5mbps 720p if they are HD originals. If they are 480p originals then maybe you're ok with that bitrate.
Personally i shoot for 4gb movies.
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IMHO even for animation thats way to low a bitrate. I would go with handbrake high profile, shoot for 3-5mbps 720p if they are HD originals. If they are 480p originals then maybe you're ok with that bitrate.
Personally i shoot for 4gb movies.
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This isnt going to be my sole movie experience device. This is my travel and work companion. 1-1.5 is where I stick for a good action movie. But comedies and such I go lower. Animation I stick around 700mb. When im getting drunk on an airplane, I want to make sure my movies arnt blotchy and pixilated, but they dont have the be blue ray quality. I run a media server at home (plex) and that's where I keep the levels far higher.
I may have to give hand brake a try, I have been using format factory for years because I can make so many adjustments and chose the containers and formats.
get dvdcatalyst to convert your movies. It has a few presets for all devices. they can range from 1 to 4gb, depending on the initial size of the movie and the quality you want. i highly recommend it.
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I appreciate the advice. I don't have an issue converting, I'm just trying to get some feedback as to the actual presets your using as to ratio, bit rate, file type and container types, so on.
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Here's what I personally use, you can set what you like otherwise...
For TV DVD sources, I convert them from anamorphic to square pixel, and then crop widescreen movies as necessary. 640x480 SD videos I use a bitrate of 1mbps. Widescreen stuff I give 1.5mbps. These are the copies I watch on the TV, tablet, phone, whatever and I can't tell any quality difference between the original and the h264 encode. At these levels I can fit all of Home Movies, Futurama S1-5, The Office S1-4 and all of ATHF on one 64gb card.
For movies, since these are just portable copies and not my full versions for home viewing, I use the same standards above for SD sources, and for HD sources I scale it down to 720p, crop if necessary, and use a 2mbps bitrate. (you could insist on a 1080p encode, but on a 10" screen are you really going to notice the difference and need to add in the extra bps?) You get a little more pixelation at times, but nothing unwatchable. This keeps it light enough to stream over my local network and small enough that you can fit a lot on while still being a good watchable version.
All audio I drop to a 96kpbs stereo mix.
This is what works for me. What works for any of you may be different depending on what you use it for.
Exactly what I was looking for.
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what are the appropriate codec (video & audio) settings to get hardware acceleration and native player support?
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what are the appropriate codec (video & audio) settings to get hardware acceleration and native player support?
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For the native player you need h.264(avc) video and stereo aac audio.
i have movies that are h264 and DTS 5.1. I just drop them on my 64gb card (inserted into the doc) and they play fine, nice and crisp. No need to convert. They are about 4gb in size.
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i have movies that are h264 and DTS 5.1. I just drop them on my 64gb card (inserted into the doc) and they play fine, nice and crisp. No need to convert. They are about 4gb in size.
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Your playing dts on the native player? Me thinks not. BS player will however,but asked about native
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Your playing dts on the native player? Me thinks not. BS player will however,but asked about native
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yeah, sorry, using BS. native will play the movie, but no sound.
I was trying to find information whether or not the Nexus 5 shoots 4k video like the note 3??
Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
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http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
agree....
In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
Dan1909 said:
In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
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to play on a 4k tv
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Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Buy a note 3. It's the only phone that can shoot in 4k.
Re: the Note 3, it's kind of stupid for a device that supports 4k video recording not to include OIS. It's the sort of gee-whiz feature with limited utility that Samsung is so fond of, but it won't be genuinely useful until 4k TVs are mainstream.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
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ok thanks for calling me cheap!
Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
Also with over 600 posts and only 17 thanks, it shows your opinion is worthless in XDA. Thanks anyways
So Nexus 5 has no 4k Recording capability, I wonder what it takes to shoot 4k:
-is it the processor
- optical lens
- software
or something else?
Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
Right right.... :silly:
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Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
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I can't afford more gigs.
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Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
Right right.... :silly:
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Note 3 4k video looks better then some 1080p blu ray movies. So 4k on a mobile is still substantially better then 1080p shooting on a mobiel device. Just saying
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Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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This. baby steps. 4k is at least 5 years away from becoming mainstream and phones will likely be on the trail end of that adoption. Let's go ahead and hit standard HD video spec before we get all up in arms about a video format that isn't feasibly useful on such limited storage with very few outlets for playback
I downloaded a 4k video from youtube and copied to Note Pro 12.2. It seems that Note Pro 12.2 cannot handle 4k videos properly. I tried multiple players including MX player. The HW decoder does not work and SW decoder lags and skips frames. Any suggestion for good 4k player for Note Pro 12.2 or any work around?
because The Galaxy Note Pro comes with 2,560×1,440 display = 2K video
you can't watch 4k video on 2k display
It's a limitation of the exynos soc. The snapdragon 800 will play 4k content, and can even record in some cases.
But as noted, since 4k is well beyond the native resolution of the screen, I'm not too worried about it.
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because The Galaxy Note Pro comes with 2,560×1,440 display = 2K video
you can't watch 4k video on 2k display
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It is not true. I can watch 4k video on my 2k monitor The real reason is the processor for sure.
Also not concerned due to the very low occurance of 4k media. Im pretty sure others have 4k ciewing working on the exynos note 3 so check there maybe
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Everyone realizes that it's physically impossible to see any difference between 1080p and 4k on any screen that's smaller than 60 inches?
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Everyone realizes that it's physically impossible to see any difference between 1080p and 4k on any screen that's smaller than 60 inches?
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Depends on your viewing distance. On a ten ench screen you could see the individual pixels of 1080p at about 8 inches. Too close for normal viewing really. 2k would be about 6 inches and 4k would be at 4 inches. Considering I can zoom anytime I need to and the screen is huge I doubt that I would ever need to hold it that close. The 12.2 is probably a bit farther on viewing distances but still held more than far enough away usually to not need 4k. Only advantage I would see would be art/graphic design.
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Duly.noted said:
Depends on your viewing distance. On a ten ench screen you could see the individual pixels of 1080p at about 8 inches. Too close for normal viewing really. 2k would be about 6 inches and 4k would be at 4 inches. Considering I can zoom anytime I need to and the screen is huge I doubt that I would ever need to hold it that close. The 12.2 is probably a bit farther on viewing distances but still held more than far enough away usually to not need 4k. Only advantage I would see would be art/graphic design.
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LOL at 44 years old, I'm lucky if I can even see my fingerprint on my fingers from less than 18-inches away without my reading glasses let alone 8.
I realize people want the most out of their devices and all but surely there's a point of diminishing returns somewhere.
That said, there's something to be said for wanting to ensure a device is future proof. If for example one expects to be shooting videos in 4k and would like to know that the device can handle playback of said material natively then it's reasonable to be concerned with that. I'm not sure how it would all pan out with regards to storage requirements and transfer of large video files but it would be nice if the device did support it out of the box.
Certainly not a deal breaker for me since I still shoot 1080p from my DSLRs.
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LOL at 44 years old, I'm lucky if I can even see my fingerprint on my fingers from less than 18-inches away without my reading glasses let alone 8.
I realize people want the most out of their devices and all but surely there's a point of diminishing returns somewhere.
That said, there's something to be said for wanting to ensure a device is future proof. If for example one expects to be shooting videos in 4k and would like to know that the device can handle playback of said material natively then it's reasonable to be concerned with that. I'm not sure how it would all pan out with regards to storage requirements and transfer of large video files but it would be nice if the device did support it out of the box.
Certainly not a deal breaker for me since I still shoot 1080p from my DSLRs.
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Im certainly not saying 4k would be bad or unappreciated. However with the sparsity of media in that format and the extra power required to push those extra pixels (both gpu and battery) im personally fine with 2k until these concerns are addressed. Im reasonably sure It can play back 4k video though.......btw what dslr's are you shooting with? I want to replace my camcorder with an interchangeable lense camera for shooting parkour videos. Different lenses for various effects, 1080p 60fps shooting for slow motion, and shallow dof are things I want to play with. Iv been looking at the panasonic g6 mirroless 4/3. Iv read great things about it and many people on personal view contemd that it looks better than a hacked gh2 and almost comparable to the gh3.
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shahidhussain said:
I downloaded a 4k video from youtube and copied to Note Pro 12.2. It seems that Note Pro 12.2 cannot handle 4k videos properly. I tried multiple players including MX player. The HW decoder does not work and SW decoder lags and skips frames. Any suggestion for good 4k player for Note Pro 12.2 or any work around?
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Try bs player and archos player with the free codec pack. Somewhere else on the forum a guy said that those both work for him. He even said he could play it on one side with multiwindow while on the browser in another.he was playing downloaded 4k videos btw. Another guy trying to play note 3 4k videos never had any success.
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Currently using a D7100. Can't say I recommend it for video but that's not why I have it anyhow. The video stuff I just dabble with.
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It is not true. I can watch 4k video on my 2k monitor The real reason is the processor for sure.
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The real reason is that the needed codec has not been added to the framework!
I have seen phones like Sony Xperia L that the gpu has 1080p decoding power but I can't play 1080p videos with H/W decoder because of lacking the needed codec( VP8 ) .
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This exact same problem exists on the Note 3. (Same hardware) It's the Exynos, it's too weak. 1.9gHz is simply not enough, no matter how many cores it has. Cores do not stack. You need at least 2.2gHz individual for 4K.
The N9005 with the same hardware as the P905 handles 4K without issue (As does the P905).
The N900 has, from the very first day, been officially known to be unable to handle 4K. The P900 has identical hardware, and can't handle it either. The Exynos is simply not powerful enough.
Not to mention the Mali GPU is a graphical bottleneck.
Convert the video to a lower resolution. You can use Handbrake for it, it's open source.
This is one of the reasons I refuse to buy an Exynos device.
Only reason I'd upgrade.
I have Note 5 and the resolution is soo good already. At 4K it would not make much difference. What would 4K do to a small screen?
Why do you need a higher resolution than 2.5k? Do you see pixels so badly that images and text look grainy? You realize the trade offs with a 4K display would be worse battery life, worse gaming performance, and likely lower quality screen as 4K in smartphones is still in it's infancy right?
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Only reason I'd upgrade.
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No, it won't.
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I have a 120" wall paint screen and I only see in 1080p. If I get to 4K, that would make a mega difference.
But not on such a small screen. Even if you rip a movie to 480p, it still looks great on a 2k tiny screen.
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No, it won't.
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So this is confirmed that it won't?
geoff5093 said:
Why do you need a higher resolution than 2.5k? Do you see pixels so badly that images and text look grainy? You realize the trade offs with a 4K display would be worse battery life, worse gaming performance, and likely lower quality screen as 4K in smartphones is still in it's infancy right?
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I have a special use case where I'll be using it at very close distance. But wasn't Quad HD in its "infancy" as well when it came out on the S6? The screen on the S6 is good. Same when Full HD came out on the S4. Both were at the cutting edge at the time.
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I have a special use case where I'll be using it at very close distance. But wasn't Quad HD in its "infancy" as well when it came out on the S6? The screen on the S6 is good. Same when Full HD came out on the S4. Both were at the cutting edge at the time.
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I know the Sony Xperia has a 4k display but has lots of compromises
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I know the Sony Xperia has a 4k display but has lots of compromises
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The Xperia runs at 1080p for anything other than video or photos so that's useless to me. And I remember one of the first 720p phones, the Xperia S had really washed out colours. Then when Samsung came out with 720p there weren't any problems like that.
No. The screen itself is on par with the Note 5.
I'll only consider 4k if doesn't vastly affect battery life, but that will never happen. So 2k is perfect.
Scorpion67 said:
I'll only consider 4k if doesn't vastly affect battery life, but that will never happen. So 2k is perfect.
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Why not 1080p? You'd get even better battery life with that.
For things like VR you need the higher resolution. 4k would be better for that.
The release today confirmed no 4k screen, which is really no big surprise.
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I personally think 4K on a mobile is pointless! On a 55" tv on the other hand!...
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This reminds me of the old camera megapixel debate. Bigger?! It must be better!! Er...no. Screens this size do not need 4K, it's a waste and additional real estate for the GPU and CPU to push around. Once you get beyond a certain DPI, the human eye will struggle to notice the difference. 4K on a 55" television? Yes, worth it. 4K on a 5.5" phone? No, it's an unnecessary gimmick to sell phones to people who should know better.
In short, the resolution on the S7 is more than good enough.
'''more than half of US households are anticipated to have a 4K-capable TV '''
Then why not for S7 ? Curious about it
Penelope559 said:
'''more than half of US households are anticipated to have a 4K-capable TV '''
Then why not for S7 ? Curious about it
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Simple answer, because it's not required. And comparing the resolution of a phone to a TV is ridiculous given the size difference, see my post above. I'm personally glad Samsung haven't bought into the 4K bulls**t and concentrated on more important aspects of the phone to improve.
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This reminds me of the old camera megapixel debate. Bigger?! It must be better!! Er...no. Screens this size do not need 4K, it's a waste and additional real estate for the GPU and CPU to push around. Once you get beyond a certain DPI, the human eye will struggle to notice the difference. 4K on a 55" television? Yes, worth it. 4K on a 5.5" phone? No, it's an unnecessary gimmick to sell phones to people who should know better.
In short, the resolution on the S7 is more than good enough.
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Excuse me, no one's said bigger=better. I have specific uses where the extra resolution will be valuable. Please don't speak for everyone.
What uses are these?
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What uses are these?
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VR, as mentioned earlier.
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