I downloaded a 4k video from youtube and copied to Note Pro 12.2. It seems that Note Pro 12.2 cannot handle 4k videos properly. I tried multiple players including MX player. The HW decoder does not work and SW decoder lags and skips frames. Any suggestion for good 4k player for Note Pro 12.2 or any work around?
because The Galaxy Note Pro comes with 2,560×1,440 display = 2K video
you can't watch 4k video on 2k display
It's a limitation of the exynos soc. The snapdragon 800 will play 4k content, and can even record in some cases.
But as noted, since 4k is well beyond the native resolution of the screen, I'm not too worried about it.
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because The Galaxy Note Pro comes with 2,560×1,440 display = 2K video
you can't watch 4k video on 2k display
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It is not true. I can watch 4k video on my 2k monitor The real reason is the processor for sure.
Also not concerned due to the very low occurance of 4k media. Im pretty sure others have 4k ciewing working on the exynos note 3 so check there maybe
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Everyone realizes that it's physically impossible to see any difference between 1080p and 4k on any screen that's smaller than 60 inches?
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Everyone realizes that it's physically impossible to see any difference between 1080p and 4k on any screen that's smaller than 60 inches?
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Depends on your viewing distance. On a ten ench screen you could see the individual pixels of 1080p at about 8 inches. Too close for normal viewing really. 2k would be about 6 inches and 4k would be at 4 inches. Considering I can zoom anytime I need to and the screen is huge I doubt that I would ever need to hold it that close. The 12.2 is probably a bit farther on viewing distances but still held more than far enough away usually to not need 4k. Only advantage I would see would be art/graphic design.
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Depends on your viewing distance. On a ten ench screen you could see the individual pixels of 1080p at about 8 inches. Too close for normal viewing really. 2k would be about 6 inches and 4k would be at 4 inches. Considering I can zoom anytime I need to and the screen is huge I doubt that I would ever need to hold it that close. The 12.2 is probably a bit farther on viewing distances but still held more than far enough away usually to not need 4k. Only advantage I would see would be art/graphic design.
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LOL at 44 years old, I'm lucky if I can even see my fingerprint on my fingers from less than 18-inches away without my reading glasses let alone 8.
I realize people want the most out of their devices and all but surely there's a point of diminishing returns somewhere.
That said, there's something to be said for wanting to ensure a device is future proof. If for example one expects to be shooting videos in 4k and would like to know that the device can handle playback of said material natively then it's reasonable to be concerned with that. I'm not sure how it would all pan out with regards to storage requirements and transfer of large video files but it would be nice if the device did support it out of the box.
Certainly not a deal breaker for me since I still shoot 1080p from my DSLRs.
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LOL at 44 years old, I'm lucky if I can even see my fingerprint on my fingers from less than 18-inches away without my reading glasses let alone 8.
I realize people want the most out of their devices and all but surely there's a point of diminishing returns somewhere.
That said, there's something to be said for wanting to ensure a device is future proof. If for example one expects to be shooting videos in 4k and would like to know that the device can handle playback of said material natively then it's reasonable to be concerned with that. I'm not sure how it would all pan out with regards to storage requirements and transfer of large video files but it would be nice if the device did support it out of the box.
Certainly not a deal breaker for me since I still shoot 1080p from my DSLRs.
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Im certainly not saying 4k would be bad or unappreciated. However with the sparsity of media in that format and the extra power required to push those extra pixels (both gpu and battery) im personally fine with 2k until these concerns are addressed. Im reasonably sure It can play back 4k video though.......btw what dslr's are you shooting with? I want to replace my camcorder with an interchangeable lense camera for shooting parkour videos. Different lenses for various effects, 1080p 60fps shooting for slow motion, and shallow dof are things I want to play with. Iv been looking at the panasonic g6 mirroless 4/3. Iv read great things about it and many people on personal view contemd that it looks better than a hacked gh2 and almost comparable to the gh3.
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I downloaded a 4k video from youtube and copied to Note Pro 12.2. It seems that Note Pro 12.2 cannot handle 4k videos properly. I tried multiple players including MX player. The HW decoder does not work and SW decoder lags and skips frames. Any suggestion for good 4k player for Note Pro 12.2 or any work around?
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Try bs player and archos player with the free codec pack. Somewhere else on the forum a guy said that those both work for him. He even said he could play it on one side with multiwindow while on the browser in another.he was playing downloaded 4k videos btw. Another guy trying to play note 3 4k videos never had any success.
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Currently using a D7100. Can't say I recommend it for video but that's not why I have it anyhow. The video stuff I just dabble with.
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It is not true. I can watch 4k video on my 2k monitor The real reason is the processor for sure.
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The real reason is that the needed codec has not been added to the framework!
I have seen phones like Sony Xperia L that the gpu has 1080p decoding power but I can't play 1080p videos with H/W decoder because of lacking the needed codec( VP8 ) .
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This exact same problem exists on the Note 3. (Same hardware) It's the Exynos, it's too weak. 1.9gHz is simply not enough, no matter how many cores it has. Cores do not stack. You need at least 2.2gHz individual for 4K.
The N9005 with the same hardware as the P905 handles 4K without issue (As does the P905).
The N900 has, from the very first day, been officially known to be unable to handle 4K. The P900 has identical hardware, and can't handle it either. The Exynos is simply not powerful enough.
Not to mention the Mali GPU is a graphical bottleneck.
Convert the video to a lower resolution. You can use Handbrake for it, it's open source.
This is one of the reasons I refuse to buy an Exynos device.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
That would be SICK... But I don't think it'd be possible due to the size of the camera sensor in most mobile phones.
i just know that the HTC Bass (Runnymede) will be able to do 720p recording at 60fps.
afaik, there are no known phones that can do [email protected] currently.
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I dont see a lot of chatter about 60fps recording on the latest batch of 720/1080p recording smart phones.. Is it even possible or just a matter of hardware limitations? Im just curious if we could see a future hack enabling 60fps or do we wait for manufacturers to offer it. thanks!
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Sounds like James Cameron's dream phone, to me. Cameron is pushing for the movie industry to adopt a minimum 60fp/s for movies.
is 60fps the limit? cant it go any higher?
Really isn't much benefit in going higher except for Video/Sports analysis, TBH. For just watching stuff, 60 FPS is good enough.
I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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I understand that for general recording/watching 30fps is plenty. 24fps even.. Id just be interested for some cool slo-mo effects. even if it were capped at a short time due to the size of the file. Im just wondering if its hardware limitations (video encoding of the chipset, size of the sensor as previously mentioned) or just a matter of software tweaking; forcing the phone to record/encode @ 60fps.
I had an older LG phone that had a slo-mo effect that looked cool but quality took a big hit.
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agree
even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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even if games / videos were made to run 60 fps, it's a waste of power
there's no point pushing more than 30 frames when human eyes can barely keep up with less than that
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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Don't agree at all. The difference is big and is easily proven. Seems to be some kind of urban legend that eyes cannot perceive faster movement than around 24-30fps
Check for example these example videos (using a modern browser on a modern PC).
http://www.boallen.com/fps-compare.html
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
Yes, we all like to see those beautiful bullet time type videos shot with fast cameras, but there are limitations other than processing power. In this case it's optical. The faster you shoot, the better lit the scene needs to be and the better the light gathering ability of the optics. Perfectly easy to overcome when you're lighting the scene and using proper hardware. Not so good when you're using a phone to do the shooting though!
I don't see the point of 1080p/60fps until they can do 1080p/30fps properly
Also better optics before moving onto anything else
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This is an age old debate and is far more complex than that one example can cover. For video playback where you can't resolve individual frames though, 30 fps is more than enough.
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Sorry but I don't agree at all, and your post doesn't include one single argument for you statement so it doesn't make any change.
30 fps looks ok, but 60fps video looks more fluid. It is very obvious in fast moving videos, e g sports.
I know that movies are made for 24fps and have "motion blur" to remove the problems with low frame rate, and some people prefere this motion blur (i e movie captured with small aperture) but that is a matter of taste and doesn't change what looks more fluid or not.
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That all depends on the GPU. Maybe the powervr sgx 543 can, seems the most plausible of all the GPUs available.
So those can shoot @60fps:
-LG G2
-Note 3
-HTC One (720p only)
Does anybody know more devices?
Maybe Nexus 5 after some camera hack...? I would buy if it had 1080p60
Samsung Galaxy S4 and S5 can record 60fps video as well
I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.
Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Agreed. 100% marketing gimmick. Other than playing with it for a few minutes, doubt I will ever use it again. If it was 4K 30fps with image stabilization yes.
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I was actually thinking of filming a commercial with it. I do have a tripod, slider and a clamp to hold it. I will also be shooting the same scenes in 1080P on my HPX300 just in case.
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I've been recording a few 4k clips. I think its pretty pointless A) No OIS , you need a tripod only reall for using it B) Frame rate not 30fps all the time stutters a bit.
Other than that its the most detailed amazing video on my 2560 x 1440p monitor (No 4k monitor yet), but with no OIS its really not practical at all. Or usable. And not to mention the 5 minute clip limit...
Anyone here going to honestly be using it over 1080p? (Unless you carry a tripod) Guess i'm too use to the G2's OIS camera which gives much smoother videos.
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I wish you guys would quit with the whining.. the camera (from what I have seen) is clearly better than its predecessors or just about anything on the market for a smartphone. Samsung has clearly improved this phone in every way, its by far the best phone on the market. No other phone can anywhere close to what this phone offers, the features are endless. So stop crying and be happy that you are fortunate to own the best phone on the market. IMO
I don't think that the 4k ability is outstanding but someone has to take the first step. And that the note 3 can handle the bandwidth needed for 4k is enough to wow me right there.(it is very compressed I'd imagine)
And to people saying its a marketing gimmick, isn't the iphones slow mo feature the same? The note 3 can do 720p 120fps just like the iphone but there not hyping it up. 4k is more exciting then watching every video on YouTube in slow mo. If I want to watch slow mo I want to see it at 1000fps with a true slow mo camera.
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Honestly, mostly I just use 720p. In my opinion the 4k function is an marketing trick by Samsung. Well it works but the mainstream market needs a few more years until it's the non+ ultra. It's nice to have but I'm quietly sure I won't use it at all.
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Uh, 4K is a feature of the snapdragon 800 chipset. Samsung had nothing to do with it. Blame Qualcomm for it being less than desirable.
I imagine xda devs will get around the 5 minute limit soon enough.
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I'm so tired of coming to this forum and seeing people constantly complain about things that are either superficial or not mind blowing (etc. speakers not putting out surround sound 7.1, 4k not being worlds better than 1080p).
Keep these negative post in:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2458640
Agree Sgt. Beside that I would add permission that people with less of 200 (maybe 100) cant open new threads in general..Only qa.
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Sounds great, they should also make it that Samsung fanboys can only start posts too? Fanboys here don't let people express their opinions which is what forums are all about discussions and sometimes there are topics you might not like.
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I was trying to find information whether or not the Nexus 5 shoots 4k video like the note 3??
Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
Source:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Neither,Nexus 5 shooting on 1080p HD only!
Source:
http://www.gsmarena.com/lg_nexus_5-5705.php
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Thanks for the response.... that sucks that nexus 5 cant shoot 4k.
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
agree....
In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
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In a few years it'll be a worthwhile feature, but currently I really can't see the point!
Why record something in a resolution that can't be displayed on the vast, vast majority of screens around!?
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Why on earth would you need to shoot 4k video with a cell phone?
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to play on a 4k tv
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Doesn't really suck that much, we don't have 4K TVs yet. At least most of us. If you can afford a 4K TV then you can afford a device that records 4K.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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umm 4k TV prices are getting reasonable enough that i will be purchasing one within the next year. I just would like to have something to display of my 4k tv
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Buy a note 3. It's the only phone that can shoot in 4k.
Re: the Note 3, it's kind of stupid for a device that supports 4k video recording not to include OIS. It's the sort of gee-whiz feature with limited utility that Samsung is so fond of, but it won't be genuinely useful until 4k TVs are mainstream.
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Are you calling everyone that bought a Nexus cheap???????????
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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No, only you. I mean, you can afford 4K TV. You didn't get a phone that records 4K.
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ok thanks for calling me cheap!
Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
Also with over 600 posts and only 17 thanks, it shows your opinion is worthless in XDA. Thanks anyways
So Nexus 5 has no 4k Recording capability, I wonder what it takes to shoot 4k:
-is it the processor
- optical lens
- software
or something else?
Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
Right right.... :silly:
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Just saw your signature, you need drop box space. lol Prostitute much
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I can't afford more gigs.
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Here, lets not make this anymore "xHD" devices with crappy bitrates please. Anthing can capture in 4K but if the bitrate is crap then the video will look like ****. There's no phone today that can fully utilized 4K bandwidth as their pokey CPUs couldn't keep up. Hell my 2Ghz Core I3 laptop has a tough time playing real 4K and you are gonna try and insinuate that a mobile CPU with slow NAND as a backup can record and process 4K video?
Right right.... :silly:
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Note 3 4k video looks better then some 1080p blu ray movies. So 4k on a mobile is still substantially better then 1080p shooting on a mobiel device. Just saying
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Guys, the shame is not that Nexus 5 doesn't record 4K videos, but that it doesn't record 1080p (or even 720p) videos at 60 FPS.
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This. baby steps. 4k is at least 5 years away from becoming mainstream and phones will likely be on the trail end of that adoption. Let's go ahead and hit standard HD video spec before we get all up in arms about a video format that isn't feasibly useful on such limited storage with very few outlets for playback
Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Must watch.
http://mblog.gsmarena.com/galaxy-note-3-faces-canon-5d-mark-iii-video-comparison/
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Very interesting indeed. Still haven't bothered capturing at 4k as I don't have a display to do it justice. Might start recording and archive so come the time for a new TV I have some bright sharp memories to view.
I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I spend a full 20 minutes staring and laughing hysterically at the thread title. :laugh: Thought it was about photo's, as opposed to video. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Wasn't expecting that from the Note 3, actually. Not bad at all, for such a tiny sensor.
Honestly though, comparing 4K against 1080p? Even if you downsize, that's an unfair comparison as 4K records more data than 1080p at the raw source. It's like shooting in Jpeg directly, or converting a RAWfile to Jpeg. (Which only makes sense if you know photography.)
I am, however, in doubt. An old classmate of mine shoots entire films with his 5D MKIII, and the quality is significantly better than what we're seeing in the video.
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I'm sorry but you're wrong, the comparison is as valid as any comparison between 2 devices. It would be like saying you can't compare benchmarks between Note 3 and GS5, because GS 5 has CPU running at higher frequency.
The fact is Note 3 can record 4k video out of the box and can record higher resolution, sharper video, than any DSLR currently on the market, period. Of course those were done in full sun/ good light, in low light Canon would win hands down. You could also see blown highlights in Note 3 video, but never the less our phone has excellent video recording capabilities I bet a lot of people are not even aware off and you have to remember Canon 5D mark III has probably one of the best video recording capabilities among DSLR and was used in quiet few commercial video recordings you see on TV. Even thought some people dismiss this as useless gimmick, it was one of the reasons I got Note 3 and I record all video in 4k, mostly of my kids, for the future memories. Right now none of my computers can play 4k video smoothly and I don't even have 4k display yet, but all this will be rectified before end of this year. Funny thing is, it is Samsung pushing the envelope, where the hell is Sony, commercial and consumer video leader?
arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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arhhh the Pixel Myth.... Just like the Megahertz Myth! Bigger numbers doesn't always mean better. The N3 is a complete waste of time in low light despite being able to record @ 4k. I'd like to have seen the guy walking around (camera movement) with both devices as this would have shown which device was better when watching both playbacks.
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Apparently you didn't see the video comparison, which clearly shows Note 3 video is much sharper, even on low resolution screen and apparently you never looked at benchmarks, clearly showing that everything else being equal, phone running at higher GHz will run faster most of the time, otherwise you wouldn't call it a myth. As far as low light goes, every camera sucks, it just a matter of how little is not enough. Canon 5d has full size sensor, which is almost as big as half width of the phone and this size sensor could not be fitted in a small phone and forget about optics required, never the less, with huge handicap in sensor size, much, much lower price and basic optics, Note 3 is competitive in good light. In low light it is much worse, but if you ever went to the movie set, just about half of the equipment is lights to improve exposure and they have cameras costing more than most people house, so yeah, good light is required for all cameras if you want good video.
Any luck in shooting 4K video? I know some china phones such as LeTV S1 can do 4K video with the Google camera app. Any tweak like that tried on the mate 8?
i dont see the point of 4K video tbh...
I mean I've read somewhere, that the soc can't manage 4k?! For me it's irrelevant.
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dlorean said:
I mean I've read somewhere, that the soc can't manage 4k?! For me it's irrelevant.
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i think the cpu is a beast it can hold even 8k
but huwaie camera image processing soft is ****
Here is where i read it http://www.anandtech.com/show/9762/hisilicon-announces-kirin-950-huawei
On the multimedia side, the company did not talk much about its encode and decode capabilities, limiting it to a single line in a single slide of their presentation, meaning we had to probe for further details. While the new SoC can now decode HEVC at up to 4K resolution at 30fps, the encode capabilities have not evolved from the previous generation and thus is limited to 1080p30 H.264. This also means that while the ISP would be able to handle 4K video, the actual encoder would make it impossible to actually implement 4K recording on a device product without a reduction in frame rate.
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i dont see the point of 4K video tbh...
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I do as I want to shoot video and save for the future. Kids growing up etc.... 10years ago videos were encoded in 240p. Back then we all thought it was the best. Today we laugh at anything under 1080p.... in 5years full HD will be Scheiße. Evolution
with your reasoning it would never make sense to take any pictures or videos, cuz of evolution
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would be nice tho
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with your reasoning it would never make sense to take any pictures or videos, cuz of evolution
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Warum... Mensch!
oh god, can anyone please stop saying "we never need X" where X is a new technology. I like 4K and I shoot with a NX1 that is capable of H265 (HEVC) 4K DCI (Cine 4k!) and it looks great. I really wanted to buy the Mate 8. I was a phablet early adopter with the Samsung Note 1. Currently using a Xiaomi Mi Note Pro. The biggest drawback for me with the Mate 8 is the absence of 4K recording. I like the decision to make the display FHD only, because it's still over 400ppi, which is enough on that size and saves a lot of power, but come on Huawei, not everyone watches recorded video on a smartphone, some people use footage shot with smartphones in NLE software and watch it on 4K devices
I really hope the HW is capable of encoding 4K, so someone can mod the camera app. If not, then I'm waiting for Huawei to release another phablet or just go with the next Xiaomi phablet.