ok so in the past i have had HTC devices and Samsung devices.. and when there is a OTA sent out we always had to either unroot and flash back to complete stock to take the OTA.. Or wait for a dev to make a firwmware/radio zip with the junk takin out... so then i would just have to flash that and then flash a rom thats on the new OTA and i would be good.. So my question is how does this work on nexus phones? say google sends us an OTA.. how would i go about updating my phone to the new base? would i wait for a dev to make a zip with the new firmware/radio?? or does just flashing a rom thats on the new base work also cause i really dont want to unroot to take an OTA.. if i have i i guess i will... so how do us rooted folks update when a new OTA comes along
I would just wait for a rooted rom of the update and flash that.
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You need a stock recovery and nothing more than root only. Any modifications to the rom what so ever, do NOT OTA.
There's an OTA helpdesk thread here somewhere that can help you
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I would just wait for a rooted rom of the update and flash that.
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thats what im asking.. on other phone u would have to flash a fiwmware/radio zip that a dev would make.. then flash the new ota rom... so your saying that when a OTA comes all i have to do is flash a rom that the OTA is based from?? i dont have to flash a new firmware or radio??
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so what happens when google send out a new OTA... how would i go about updting to it?? do i have to wait for a dev to make a firmwre/radio zip for rooted people??? or is it deffernt with nexus phones??
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thats what im asking.. on other phone u would have to flash a fiwmware/radio zip that a dev would make.. then flash the new ota rom... so your saying that when a OTA comes all i have to do is flash a rom that the OTA is based from?? i dont have to flash a new firmware or radio??
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You should never have to flash a radio if you don't want.
It gets confusing when you use the word firmware though. Most android handset manufacturers will refer to a rom as firmware. Although to me, this is technically incorrect - im not going to argue with them.
However, some US carriers for some phones deliver their updates in "firmware" and / or "apps". This confuses people even more so I prefer not to use "firmware" as a term.
An OTA update could include any of the following
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- part of the rom
Every ota is added to an updated full rom though so if rooted, best sticking with those
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thats not entirely true.
you can still have a custom recovery, but when the OTA asks you to reboot to install, it only takes you to the recovery screen and you need to find the file and flash it manually.
it will install fine however using a custom recovery.
i still dont understand.. what i have to do when a OTA comes.. how do i update my nexus to the new OTA?? so i just flash a rom thats on the OTA thats it?
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i still dont understand.. what i have to do when a OTA comes.. how do i update my nexus to the new OTA?? so i just flash a rom thats on the OTA thats it?
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it depends on how much modding you have done to your phone.
1) just root and still stock recovery - nothing it will download and install properly
2) just root AND custom recovery - it will download correctly, but when the phone reboots to install, you will need to manually find the OTA file and install it
3) any system modifications - the ota will not install and you will need to go back to the stock rom
4) custom rom installed - you need to either a) wait for the rom to be updated to the OTA version or b) return to stock.
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thats not entirely true.
you can still have a custom recovery, but when the OTA asks you to reboot to install, it only takes you to the recovery screen and you need to find the file and flash it manually.
it will install fine however using a custom recovery.
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Yes this I know but an ota also can include an updated recovery. Im trying mainly to convey ota +root not a good idea if you don't know what you're doing
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it depends on how much modding you have done to your phone.
1) just root and still stock recovery - nothing it will download and install properly
2) just root AND custom recovery - it will download correctly, but when the phone reboots to install, you will need to manually find the OTA file and install it
3) any system modifications - the ota will not install and you will need to go back to the stock rom
4) custom rom installed - you need to either a) wait for the rom to be updated to the OTA version or b) return to stock.
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thanks.. so this is waaayyy dif then any phone i ever had b4... i had the gs4 and the htc one... dont kno if u ever had any of them phone but when an OTA was sent out... i was always rooted with custom recovery/rom... so what we would have to do is... wait for a dev to make a zip for rooted folks.. they would take out the stock recovery and anything else that would change the hboot..... so i would just flash that zip with would have new firmware/radio/prl ect.. then i would flash a rom that based on the new OTA...im rooted custom rom.. custom recovery.. if and when a OTA comes... all i have to do to udate to the new ota is wait for the rom dev to make the rom on the new ota and im good.. that seems so easy!! it was always a project on other phones.. u could never just flash the new ota rom thats it.. u would have to flash a zip with firwmware/radio/prl ect.. so when google send a OTA out with a new radio.. i dont need to uodate my phone to that radio? it will be in the rom thats on the new ota?
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thanks.. so this is waaayyy dif then any phone i ever had b4... i had the gs4 and the htc one... dont kno if u ever had any of them phone but when an OTA was sent out... i was always rooted with custom recovery/rom... so what we would have to do is... wait for a dev to make a zip for rooted folks
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No that's exactly the same. If you have a CUSTOM rom, wait for dev to update his rom and flash it.
If you have a stock rooted but unmodified rom, you can have ota (but wouldn't recommend it). This is same as S4, S3 etc...
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No that's exactly the same. If you have a CUSTOM rom, wait for dev to update his rom and flash it.
If you have a stock rooted but unmodified rom, you can have ota (but wouldn't recommend it). This is same as S4, S3 etc...
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s4 i had to flash the radio sperate
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No that's exactly the same. If you have a CUSTOM rom, wait for dev to update his rom and flash it.
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on the s4 u cant just flash the rom that on the new OTA and thats it... i had to flash a firmware/radio zip.. then u flash the rom thats on the new ota
Im all set now!! LiquidSolstice spit his knowledge to me.. now i understand how it works on nexus phones... alot diff then htc..samsung.. thanks LiquidSolstice:good:
Hmmm much confusion in this thread. I come from Samsung and HTC. What I have said is universal. I cannot understand what you have read to the contrary so lets just forget it now - but in regards to flashing custom roms, flashing radios and receiving OTA updates - the principles of this phone are the same as every other android phone.
Probably have a read of the sticky thread at the top of the q&a. Lots of root information to help understand things
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hey guys.
did anybody know here how to make 2.3.3 ota update root, i have tried gingerbreak that doesnt working showing just black screen.
my phn is s-on, I do it coz it wont accepting OTA update.
is there any manual process to make it root via adb shell or something like that.?
i dont want to install custom roms i already checked so much of them but the are not fully bugs free and not fully google compatible as i want..
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Guys,
I just bought Desire S 2 days ago. It came with GB 2.3 & sense 2.1. I just checked out http://htcdev.com/devcenter/downloads/ & it has kernel source code for Desire S. Does this mean, I can flash the kernel to my device & it will be updated to GB 2.6.3?
Does kernel means android version here ??
Your device already contains the kernel. You can check for updates from your Settings -> About -> Software update it will pop-up if there is any. On stock phone there is no need to flash anything it comes out of the box
And the android version is generally defined by the OS not by the kernel
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Your device already contains the kernel. You can check for updates from your Settings -> About -> Software update it will pop-up if there is any. On stock phone there is no need to flash anything it comes out of the box
And the android version is generally defined by the OS not by the kernel
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I got that but my question is , if I flash the kernel(2.6.5) I downloaded from htcdev site, will this update my gingerbread from 2.3 to 2.6.5 or I could update it only over OTA. ?
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I got that but my question is , if I flash the kernel(2.6.5) I downloaded from htcdev site, will this update my gingerbread from 2.3 to 2.6.5 or I could update it only over OTA. ?
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What you're seeing on the HCDev site is the kernel source code... that is used by kernel devs to cook up kernels... you can't as an end user just flash the entire source!! It's not the kernel, it's the source. And anyway, kernel has nothing to do with upgrading you to a higher version of any OS... that's what a ROM does.
If you're asking these sort of questions, you hazard a very big chance of bricking your 2 day old device, so as a friendly advice, I'd suggest you do a looooot of reading in the Index and the Guide threads before attempting any kind of flashing. From your posts, I see you're pretty inexperienced with android and a good knowledge base built before attempting all sorts of crazy flashing will keep your device safe from inadvertent bricking.
Read a bit more...ask questions and get answers...and then it'll be happy flashing for you!:good:
BTW, have you even S-off'ed and rooted your device? How were you planning to flash the kernel (...source!!):cyclops:
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What you're seeing on the HCDev site is the kernel source code... that is used by kernel devs to cook up kernels... you can't as an end user just flash the entire source!! It's not the kernel, it's the source. And anyway, kernel has nothing to do with upgrading you to a higher version of any OS... that's what a ROM does.
If you're asking these sort of questions, you hazard a very big chance of bricking your 2 day old device, so as a friendly advice, I'd suggest you do a looooot of reading in the Index and the Guide threads before attempting any kind of flashing. From your posts, I see you're pretty inexperienced with android and a good knowledge base built before attempting all sorts of crazy flashing will keep your device safe from inadvertent bricking.
Read a bit more...ask questions and get answers...and then it'll be happy flashing for you!:good:
BTW, have you even S-off'ed and rooted your device? How were you planning to flash the kernel (...source!!):cyclops:
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Thanks. that really helped. And yes I am noob with android. I had an LG optimus black few months ago & it did not had anything like S-ON or S-OFF. I just rooted it & used to flash a lot of ROMS.
I think I need to read a lot about Desire S before I flash anything.
One more question, is there any other way to officially update to GB 2.5 apart from OTA. I have a very slow 2g connection on my device & it will take forever to download some 230 MB of data.
Thanks again.
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Thanks. that really helped. And yes I am noob with android. I had an LG optimus black few months ago & it did not had anything like S-ON or S-OFF. I just rooted it & used to flash a lot of ROMS.
I think I need to read a lot about Desire S before I flash anything.
One more question, is there any other way to officially update to GB 2.5 apart from OTA. I have a very slow 2g connection on my device & it will take forever to download some 230 MB of data.
Thanks again.
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Apart from updating via ota, there is no 'official' way of updating to a higher os. You don't have to download the ota over your mobile data connection. Wi-Fi is always preferred.
I would still recommend getting s-off and then flashing custom Roms. It is way better and more efficient than official updates which always leave out some thing to be desired. Custom Roms like Endymion take care of all those issues.
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hey ive got a mf3 s4 that i have rooted but have not yet put any roms on. ive read about as much as i can on here about roms and such. i know that i have to flash the mf3 zip after i flash the rom in safestrap on rom slot 1 and never to touch the stock rom slot. i just need some imput of which rom to use, they all sound great. so if u have used the roms could u give me some ideas of which to use. i like shostock but there are 3 versions and im still not sure which one to use, and gravitiron is also a posibilty. ive read where the WIFI sometimes wont work after flashing and that there is something u have to flash to get it to working. so if it doesent work and i go back to stock will the WIFI start working again.. sorry for the long post,.
Everyone has their own flavor here. What may be good for one may be utter crap to another. We all took roms out for a test drive till we found the one we were most comfortable with. Unfortunately no one will hold you hand on here and asking for what rom is best for you is frowned upon here. Thats why we never compare roms to one another.
As I said you have to take a few out for a test run and see which you like best. There all AWESOME in my opinion. Go to each rom and read the last few post and you will get an idea as to what issues people are running into is all I can advise. Plenty of reading ahead of you, we all did it.
Enjoy the learning.
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hey ive got a mf3 s4 that i have rooted but have not yet put any roms on. ive read about as much as i can on here about roms and such. i know that i have to flash the mf3 zip after i flash the rom in safestrap on rom slot 1 and never to touch the stock rom slot. i just need some imput of which rom to use, they all sound great. so if u have used the roms could u give me some ideas of which to use. i like shostock but there are 3 versions and im still not sure which one to use, and gravitiron is also a posibilty. ive read where the WIFI sometimes wont work after flashing and that there is something u have to flash to get it to working. so if it doesent work and i go back to stock will the WIFI start working again.. sorry for the long post,.
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Wait...MF3 can now flash custom rom?? since when? and How?? I didn't be here for while... please let me know if you can do that.
ksj0823 said:
Wait...MF3 can now flash custom rom?? since when? and How?? I didn't be here for while... please let me know if you can do that.
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yes u can flash custom roms on the mf3 they have to be 4.2.2 and u use safestrap.
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yes u can flash custom roms on the mf3 they have to be 4.2.2 and u use safestrap.
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U talking about MF3 only able to flash the rom that's android 4.2.2? and where is the details for Safestrap?
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U talking about MF3 only able to flash the rom that's android 4.2.2? and where is the details for Safestrap?
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I'm suprised you havent heard of this yet. Go to the general section (I think), you'll find a safe strap discussion Q&A thread. Read up and ask questions before you jump in and flash a wrong ROM or something.
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I'm suprised you havent heard of this yet. Go to the general section (I think), you'll find a safe strap discussion Q&A thread. Read up and ask questions before you jump in and flash a wrong ROM or something.
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well, I did hear the Safestrap before. But I didn't know it can help the MF3 to flash the custom rom. Good to know that.
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well, I did hear the Safestrap before. But I didn't know it can help the MF3 to flash the custom rom. Good to know that.
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yes u can flash the mf3 with custom roms there are some on here but u also have to flash a mf zip file after flashing the rom.
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yes u can flash the mf3 with custom roms there are some on here but u also have to flash a mf zip file after flashing the rom.
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By any chance, Is there someone who made a youtube video that can show me how to flash that on MF3??
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By any chance, Is there someone who made a youtube video that can show me how to flash that on MF3??
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84UJnU4TPos
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84UJnU4TPos
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okay, thanks for the video.
help me understand this. So this is like you got 2 roms in your phone at the same time. and we can flash the custom rom in slot1 2 3. and keep the stock rom right in the phone. that means we can always switch from the original stock rom and the custom rom that we install at slot 1. is that right??
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Hi,
Will either rooting or installing a custom kernel prevent a Nexus 5 from receiving OTA updates from Google? If not, and you have a custom kernel, does it get overwritten with a stock kernel during an OTA upgrade?
Thanks!
Being custom will often prevent ota updates and even if they didn't - accepting an ota would generally be a bad idea.
In terms of the hyper-hypothetical - a kernel cannot be overwrite if the ota doesn't include a kernel
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Being custom will often prevent ota updates and even if they didn't - accepting an ota would generally be a bad idea.
In terms of the hyper-hypothetical - a kernel cannot be overwrite if the ota doesn't include a kernel
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What about being root but no custom kernel? Is that an issue for OTA?
What do people generally do when they have a custom kernel. Do they still get an OTA notification then wait for the custom kernel to be updated or have to check manually? Do kernel developers generally have RSS feeds for update announcements? (The official kernel and ROM threads tend to have too much activity for me to want to subscribe to them...)
I'd be happy to stick with stock for a while, at least until Google polishes some of the bugs out, but there is one mod that requires a custom kernel that would be very useful for me.
Thanks!
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What about being root but no custom kernel? Is that an issue for OTA?
What do people generally do when they have a custom kernel. Do they still get an OTA notification then wait for the custom kernel to be updated or have to check manually? Do kernel developers generally have RSS feeds for update announcements? (The official kernel and ROM threads tend to have too much activity for me to want to subscribe to them...)
I'd be happy to stick with stock for a while, at least until Google polishes some of the bugs out, but there is one mod that requires a custom kernel that would be very useful for me.
Thanks!
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Anything other than being completely stock will not allow you to successfully apply an OTA. You can have root permissions, but if you have any modified files the OTA will not complete.
I have an OTA thread in the Nexus 4 section that I will probably bring here when we see our first OTA. The info in that thread will apply to the N5 as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=37925359
El Daddy said:
Anything other than being completely stock will not allow you to successfully apply an OTA. You can have root permissions, but if you have any modified files the OTA will not complete.
I have an OTA thread in the Nexus 4 section that I will probably bring here when we see our first OTA. The info in that thread will apply to the N5 as well. http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=37925359
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Great! Thanks for your help.
I have come to the N5 from a Samsung device, where if you flashed a kernel meant for a (Samsung) stock ROM onto a CM/AOSP/AOKP ROM, you would stand a good chance of bricking your phone.
Are there any similar incompatibilities between stock-based and CM-based ROMs which apply with the N5? Or can I flash any of the kernels which are available onto the CM-based (DroidKang v5) ROM I'm running?
If not, please can you explain why not and what I should be looking for in the kernel thread OP to indicate this.
Having briefly looked at a few kernel dev threads, there seems to be nothing to indicate a problem with flashing on either CM or stock.
Thanks in advance!
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Bumping to try and get a reply from some kind, knowledgeable soul!
Since I originally posted I have tried flashing Bricked-Kernel, which failed. So am I stuck with using the current kernel that came with my CM-based ROM, unless I flash a new stock-based ROM?
Still not got a full answer to my question, but am now using Bricked-Kernel, which so far I'm very happy with
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I have come to the N5 from a Samsung device, where if you flashed a kernel meant for a (Samsung) stock ROM onto a CM/AOSP/AOKP ROM, you would stand a good chance of bricking your phone.
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I come from a samsung phone and there was no chance of bricking my device by flashing the wrong type of kernel, so long as its from the same phone. Bricks come from flashing roms,.kernels, radios, bootloaders and recoveries from other phones
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