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[POLL] Knox Triggered Or Not?

Is you knox triggered?
Was it intentional or by accident?

1 - yes knox triggered unintentionally.
1 - not triggered...

I tried to root device for Titanium Backup and Adblocker and maybe to play around a little bit. At first I was afraid of this new counter and how bad it could affect my mobile life. I tried a safe method to root but at least I'd done anything wrong or it hadn't worked with my device at all. So it was an accident but it didn't change anything for me xD. I am used that Samsung devices are die-hard and in the past if something was to repair the most easiest and fastest way was to repair it by myself. So never mind.
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I used Root de la Vega and it worked. But when I wanted to try out Knox it told me I'm unable to do so. I checked it and I tripped the flag. But it also has its advantages because I'm pretty much open for new Roms etc
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Latest UK firmware - Knox Flag 0x0 - Rooted with Universal RDLV
But it takes much time to make sure nothing goes wrong. Maybe I'm getting bored from reading forums for hours, just to keep the knox flag at 0x0. If it takes too much afford or stops me from getting new firmwares, I'm not afraid to trigger the flag, because I don't need Knox and the loss in sales value should be marginal.

I'm trippin
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0x1 5
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does tripping the knox counter affect the system integrity by any chance? a damage to system or anything? or is it just for warranty purposes so that samsung service centers can check for unauthorized modding? i am planning to get a n9005 note 3 myself in the coming days but this knox thing has me spooked...i read it everywhere with so many people tiptoeing around it...thank you

linx1287 said:
does tripping the knox counter affect the system integrity by any chance? a damage to system or anything? or is it just for warranty purposes so that samsung service centers can check for unauthorized modding? i am planning to get a n9005 note 3 myself in the coming days but this knox thing has me spooked...i read it everywhere with so many people tiptoeing around it...thank you
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Self explanatory, warranty void 0x1....
Doesn't affect anything else except the using of the Knox security which is geared more for businesses anyway...

Not intentional, vega root method did it. 0x1

New to Samsung... How to check this?

Triggered, intentionally.. I really don't see what the fuzz is about. All these counters, just let them count... I betting that everybody that's on xda usually swaps phones at least once a year and what would you need the warranty for anyway? if somethings broke, you probably broke it yourself and you will be able to fix it. (expecting lots of flame now )
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I didn't trigger knox on the 900V with the Kingoapp root.
To check Knox Status :
1. Power Off Phone
2. Hold Power, Volume Down and Home button at the same time till it boots
3. Press Volume Down
4. Check Status then Hold the Power Button till the Phone reboots.

Tripped intentionally .. look at the de la vega thread and cf root thread.. way simpler..
anyway.. who cares.. I live in europe.. the warranty is in the store.. not samsung.. the people working there think root is something from a tree ..

Sammy has fu***d me intentionally as I m on exynos. Updated to mj6 and now it says "warranty bit 1 ".
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Tripping Knox is no concern at all for me and shouldnt be for any UK/EU personal user. I would never use Knox itself anyways, to be this is for corporate use not personal. I have Vodafone insurance so if there is a problem with the phone the Knox status is moot.

Yes
Intentionally, first day root cameout.

Yes intentionally although this will be my last Samsung phone ever... Don't like the new Apple tactics.
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Not triggered
CekMTL said:
Yes intentionally although this will be my last Samsung phone ever... Don't like the new Apple tactics.
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With you there. Problem is that there aren't many alternatives that are any better, at least in the US. I moved away from Motorola because of that. Ironically, now Samsung is locking down and Motorola is loosening up. My timing sucks.

CekMTL said:
Yes intentionally although this will be my last Samsung phone ever... Don't like the new Apple tactics.
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Same for me.

Used Root de la Vega, not tripped.

Knox is not an eFuse

I've been researching this for a couple of weeks, and have finally managed to change the Flag of Knox on the Bootloader... at the moment, I'm no closer to actually repairing the 0x1 counter, but it does let us know that it is indeed software/firmware related.
Attached file look at Knox Warranty : 0xffffffc and Knox Kernel Lock: 0xffffffc
Regards,
Mat

Interesting work. Perhaps you can share your work or research.
"All men are created equal, some work harder in pre-season."
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It seems you are right but there has to be some kind of encryption...

And why is this a new topic is discussed after the other and I told you what is obtained 0xffffffc

OP, did you use some hex/low level editing to change that value?
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Febby said:
Interesting work. Perhaps you can share your work or research.
"All men are created equal, some work harder in pre-season."
- Emmitt Smith
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The quote is killing me lol
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What happens if you now do something that trips the flag? Does it go 0xfffffffd?
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Wow I thought aboot sent a command to the TrustZone kernel to set the fuse. Where did you find this flag? Newer versions of aboot will probably verify it using public key cryptography.
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MemoryController said:
Wow I thought aboot sent a command to the TrustZone kernel to set the fuse. Where did you find this flag? Newer versions of aboot will probably verify it using public key cryptography.
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that seems to be done since the new KnoxBootloader came into the phone, it looking for matching keys and if they're not present well it will trigger Knox 0x1 and it seems like it won't kill your warranty, but i'm not sure how its outside EU but several people claimed that it doesn't void the warranty (except US)
Well as i'm not wrong it's even stated by samsung that it looks for keys and if it's not the correct key the Knox will be triggered and the TIMA (Knox) won't working unless you somehow contact a service center for help (but yeah it seems even if you've rooted your phone) which means you'll get knox 0x1 you're still able to get the Knox but well that explains much but seems to be not an efuse due to the mention by samsung that it uses keys and also that it can be fixed bla bla

galnet said:
I've been researching this for a couple of weeks, and have finally managed to change the Flag of Knox on the Bootloader... at the moment, I'm no closer to actually repairing the 0x1 counter, but it does let us know that it is indeed software/firmware related.
Attached file look at Knox Warranty : 0xffffffc and Knox Kernel Lock: 0xffffffc
Regards,
Mat
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How do you make the "eMMC Brust Mode" unenable?

SimonGleinert said:
How do you make the "eMMC Brust Mode" unenable?
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On the picture it's enabled...? :what:
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yeah, if u trip knox again, what is gonna happen? maybe u can make overflow that variable!
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nice work out there, waiting for more! good to know it isn't hardware protection, because I triggered it

If it's reversible I'm updating to the new bootloader ASAP, I really dig the MJ7 LTE modem
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Yes in order to be sure, I think you should try to reflash an old bootloader to see if the flag will be set again to 0x1. If not...

How should he do that? With a JTAG?
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Hmmm I'm going to be checking back on this.

@galnet rather than just posting a picture it would be much more progressive for you to document your research, findings, techniques/methods, seeing as how that's most in the spirit of xda.

CNexus said:
@galnet rather than just posting a picture it would be much more progressive for you to document your research, findings, techniques/methods, seeing as how that's most in the spirit of xda.
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Would you release information which you knew could brick peoples phones, because you do know that anything that is printed here, people will go try and then come back crying..
I've known in the past this occurring, and god don't start about the XDA way, the XDA way is still the reason why I don't say much now a days!

galnet said:
Would you release information which you knew could brick peoples phones, because you do know that anything that is printed here, people will go try and then come back crying..
I've known in the past this occurring, and god don't start about the XDA way, the XDA way is still the reason why I don't say much now a days!
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That's why put a big "DEV" or "R&D" tag in the title, and stick it in the developers only section. If anyone has issues as a result of it afterward, you can't say you didn't warn them.
As with many things in life, I'm sure the benefits would outweigh the costs if you simply shared your work.
Of course, in the end it's your choice and no one can force you to do anything.
But realize that there are other ways to go about this. A private hangout for example, or G+ community, or something like that. I simply think discussion would be beneficial.

Root or not yet?

Should I really root my note 3 or need yet?
I Faced so many hard times routing my Sgs+ now I really find the phone itself so good with latest android version so what rott can add more hour such device
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I had the same problem. I bought my note 3 in December and since then I was thinking about rooting. Finally, few days ago I finally decided to root my phone. And to be honest, now I feel like I have a new phone. Finally I could install apps like SD maid, greenify, Wanam, I could freeze/uninstall all this bloatware I have never been using like Knox, printing services etc. Now I have full control over my phone and I don't regret rooting and voiding my varranty (I used cf auto root)
My battery is a lot better now too!
Thinking right now about flashing a custom kernel to improve my phone even more.
If you don't worry too much about varranty, i would recommend rooting this phone. Even though this phone is one of the fastest devices now, there is still room for improvements.
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.NetDeveloper said:
Should I really root my note 3 or need yet?
I Faced so many hard times routing my Sgs+ now I really find the phone itself so good with latest android version so what rott can add more hour such device
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If you don`t need it and don`t miss anything atm don`t do it, and don`t let others convince you that you should or that its cool

I really dunno I scared really because the custome ROM will not add any new for the phonebut maybe disable do much features on it. I Agree with you that phone really do good and one of the best now but. .. This need to think about it so much so lol
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.NetDeveloper said:
I really dunno I scared really because the custome ROM will not add any new for the phonebut maybe disable do much features on it. I Agree with you that phone really do good and one of the best now but. .. This need to think about it so much so lol
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Look here too for warranty after rooting within the EU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801.

gee2012 said:
Look here too for warranty after rooting within the EU http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1998801.
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This nice news but how I make sure that this is real. Should I call the warranty?
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If you have to ask, then don't root.
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Root!! No brainer, free your phone!
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I also haven't rooted yet - will wait until Samsung officially stop providing updates... I don't want to have to flash ota updates

There really is no downside to rooting, if you know what you are doing.
It can only help your phone IMO

I'm caught in limbo too. I've rooted every Android device I've had and that is a lot of handsets. For me just to remove bloat and put a decent ad blocker on makes it all worth while. However, when it came to selling my Note 2 I noticed how hard it was to sell my device rooted. The only time I got any interest was when I completely returned it to stock and reset the flash counter etc. As this is currently not possible as I'm on 4.4.2 then I'm sat very much on the fence. I don't want a device that has no resale value but I wan't all that root has to offer.
I am broadly very happy with the phone. The battery is remarkable and it's as snappy as I need. but I am inching towards the rash decision to flash away and root. TBH the bloat stuff isn't bothering me and KitKat makes it easy to freeze apps... but I really detest all the adds in the browser and adds when using YouTube. If there was a non rooted solution for adds I doubt I'd even bother. The custom ROM scene is fairly ho hum by the look of it if you wan't to keep S-Pen functionality so which way to go?

Root it -> Install Custom ROM and Kernel
Don't wuss out after you start rooting, they joy of the scene are the new things developers can put into the device to enhance the experience.
The KNOX is your only thing you should think about, but once the tables are turned, go all the way in.
The battery may be friendly at first, but it can't be as friendly as a custom kernel built upon the basis of battery saving.

danbst said:
I'm caught in limbo too. I've rooted every Android device I've had and that is a lot of handsets. For me just to remove bloat and put a decent ad blocker on makes it all worth while. However, when it came to selling my Note 2 I noticed how hard it was to sell my device rooted. The only time I got any interest was when I completely returned it to stock and reset the flash counter etc. As this is currently not possible as I'm on 4.4.2 then I'm sat very much on the fence. I don't want a device that has no resale value but I wan't all that root has to offer.
I am broadly very happy with the phone. The battery is remarkable and it's as snappy as I need. but I am inching towards the rash decision to flash away and root. TBH the bloat stuff isn't bothering me and KitKat makes it easy to freeze apps... but I really detest all the adds in the browser and adds when using YouTube. If there was a non rooted solution for adds I doubt I'd even bother. The custom ROM scene is fairly ho hum by the look of it if you wan't to keep S-Pen functionality so which way to go?
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Best way for non-rooted users is using "Static DNS for WiFi" with FoolDNS's servers, unfortunately only on WiFi, but it's something:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=net.usb0.wifistaticdns
http://www.fooldns.com/fooldns-community/english-version/

Ive sold rooted rom installed phones the last two phones I owned and had no trouble...warrenty should be the only drawback
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To me, an unrooted android phone is similar to an iphone. Cute, shiny toy, does very little for a very lot of money . Then again, a hell damn lot of my apps require root access...
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I'm still happy with my official rom and don't want to lose warranty

magez.it said:
I'm still happy with my official rom and don't want to lose warranty
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You won't lose your warranty because rooting or changing system software does not directly void your warranty i.e if you rooted and flashed a ROM, then a repair was needed, Samsung have to prove that rooting or changing the system software was the direct cause of the malfunction, if they can't then they are obliged to fix the problem at no cost to you under statutory law.
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speedyjay said:
You won't lose your warranty because rooting or changing system software does not directly void your warranty i.e if you rooted and flashed a ROM, then a repair was needed, Samsung have to prove that rooting or changing the system software was the direct cause of the malfunction, if they can't then they are obliged to fix the problem at no cost to you under statutory law.
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I'm not sure, but I have an experience with this. My previous phone (not samsung) is refused for warranty because it's rooted when I came back to the store where I buy it. And I have no time to argue with them, so I decide to paid for them to fix my phone.

speedyjay said:
You won't lose your warranty because rooting or changing system software does not directly void your warranty i.e if you rooted and flashed a ROM, then a repair was needed, Samsung have to prove that rooting or changing the system software was the direct cause of the malfunction, if they can't then they are obliged to fix the problem at no cost to you under statutory law.
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Even if that's the case in your country of residence there is still a risk of being denied if you trip knox. You then face a lengthy dispute process to get them to honour it. In the mean time you are either without phone or have to pay for the repair.
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magez.it said:
I'm not sure, but I have an experience with this. My previous phone (not samsung) is refused for warranty because it's rooted when I came back to the store where I buy it. And I have no time to argue with them, so I decide to paid for them to fix my phone.
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You need to throw the book at them, they are obliged to repair it unless they can prove your actions caused the phone to break. Read this https://fsfe.org/freesoftware/legal/flashingdevices.en.html
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Custom roms?

Where are all the custom roms for this phone?
There is only a handful of ROMS with the Touchwiz interface. Are people not likeing this phone or something?

There are literally dozens of threads on this issue already.

So what is the general consensus on it?
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Exynos processor = No AOSP support.
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That sucks.
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I personally feel asop/cm roms are two boring and I stick to TW. There are a few roms available for the Edge.
I have rooted with pingpong root, but not sure if I want to void warranty on such an expensive phone yet with a custom rom.

dwarfer66 said:
I personally feel asop/cm roms are two boring and I stick to TW. There are a few roms available for the Edge.
I have rooted with pingpong root, but not sure if I want to void warranty on such an expensive phone yet with a custom rom.
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Why do people even care about KNOX? What does it matter if it voids a carriers warranty, it's crap anyway. There are other warranties like Squaretrade that will replace the phone even if KNOX is tripped.

How do you sign up for square trade?
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Brittany_Menton said:
Why do people even care about KNOX? What does it matter if it voids a carriers warranty, it's crap anyway. There are other warranties like Squaretrade that will replace the phone even if KNOX is tripped.
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Because people don't want to pay for something that is free. Warranties from companies like that will only mean you getting back substandard work or a refurb, and you have to pay for it? Why would you ? lol.
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nafeasonto said:
Where are all the custom roms for this phone?
There is only a handful of ROMS with the Touchwiz interface. Are people not likeing this phone or something?
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I think there are only a few because it's already perfect stock. Never thought i'd say that about a phone lol.

Jonathan-H said:
Because people don't want to pay for something that is free. Warranties from companies like that will only mean you getting back substandard work or a refurb, and you have to pay for it? Why would you ? lol.
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I think there are only a few because it's already perfect stock. Never thought i'd say that about a phone lol.
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Besides all the bloatware, it is perfect yes. XtreStoLite is perfect tho. Almost stuck, besides all the bloatware + few annoying things removed like S-Finder in notification panel + volume warning.

Obagleyfreer said:
Exynos processor = No AOSP support.
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well it takes time but eventually it does get support !

Jonathan-H said:
Because people don't want to pay for something that is free. Warranties from companies like that will only mean you getting back substandard work or a refurb, and you have to pay for it? Why would you ? lol.
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I think there are only a few because it's already perfect stock. Never thought i'd say that about a phone lol.
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If you keep getting a phone that fails when it was refurbished, they send you a check for full value of the phone when you bought it. Some phones aren't even worth fixing and they just send you a check.
It's a risk insurance company, they don't care about fixing the device. They calculated the odds of someone making a claim, that's how they make their profits. Refurbishing just allows them to save more money, but not all phones can be refurbished.

bhavstech said:
well it takes time but eventually it does get support !
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Only if someone is interested with literally going through hell. Making stuff like CM for Qualcomm bases is a piece of cake, but doing it for Exynos is like reinventing the wheel. Eventually maybe yes, but it will be a stony and long path for whoever decides to do it.

mythos234 said:
Only if someone is interested with literally going through hell. Making stuff like CM for Qualcomm bases is a piece of cake, but doing it for Exynos is like reinventing the wheel. Eventually maybe yes, but it will be a stony and long path for whoever decides to do it.
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don't forget that all past samsung phones with exynos had cm support...it was buggy but still better than nothing...it will get cm support but it will take a bit of time...

Wasn't the galaxy sIII Exynos?

hajyihia said:
don't forget that all past samsung phones with exynos had cm support...it was buggy but still better than nothing...it will get cm support but it will take a bit of time...
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If someone is interested in building it, sure. How well will it run? Thats indeed a different story. I'm syncing with the CM repos as we speak and going to see if we can get a 12.1 build running. Btw, You do know that CM doesn't add support? Devs make a build and submit it to them and it can then be considered official.
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Wasn't the galaxy sIII Exynos?
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Both, there were versions with Qualcomm and versions with Exy

Brittany_Menton said:
Why do people even care about KNOX? What does it matter if it voids a carriers warranty, it's crap anyway. There are other warranties like Squaretrade that will replace the phone even if KNOX is tripped.
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On what planet does that work?
Knox means where i live, no warranty at all, and people dont even want to buy it.

Android-Desire said:
On what planet does that work?
Knox means where i live, no warranty at all, and people dont even want to buy it.
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Any plan that covers accidental damage (including water) they will always replace the phone. If you tell them it has been water damaged and you purposely submerge it into water, they don't even bother checking the device because water damage cannot be repaired.
I called T-Mobile and their protection set plan will cover claims of accidental damage even if KNOX is tripped.

mythos234 said:
If someone is interested in building it, sure. How well will it run? Thats indeed a different story. I'm syncing with the CM repos as we speak and going to see if we can get a 12.1 build running. Btw, You do know that CM doesn't add support? Devs make a build and submit it to them and it can then be considered official.
Both, there were versions with Qualcomm and versions with Exy
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Same with the GS4 and Qualcomm and Exynos
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warranty after root?

hi guys!
i guess i have to get the mother board of my s7 (never heard of a phone with so many problems with the motherboard..) and luckily it's still in warranty.
i'd like to know if samsung (actually i guess vodafone as i bought with vodafone) will charge me because i rooted the phone and i have the know counter triggered
thanks a lot!

Flash stock ROM back. In many regions a knox trigger doesn't invalidate warranty.
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takerhbk said:
Flash stock ROM back. In many regions a knox trigger doesn't invalidate warranty.
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thanks a lot, i'll do it! finger crossed

I may have the same issue than you. My phone mostly freezes when its a bit hot (for example after charging). What did you say to samsung and did they replace the mainboard?