So I Have been spending a lot of time and effort with my GS3, tweaking the kernal and rom for battery performance and it seems to be working well, now I need to address my Note. Its gotten really slow and feels laggy. My memory used by running apps is less then half. I have greenify freezing a bunch of stuff i dont really need. Im rooted on stock for Rom, with stock Kernel. I was eyeballing some Roms but really dont want to lose any TW functionality, but was hoping to hold off on that until some 2014 Roms popped up. I run Apex as a launcher right now.
Has anyone noticed speed differences with Custom TW Roms or Kernels? or have a good CPU monitor app, they all look pretty, meh, on the play store (i really wish you could see number of dl's and raters from the list view on the play store)...
Up for any suggestions....
Your problem likely has nothing to do with "available RAM" or "processes".
... how full is your internal flash (your "sdcard")?
Neflhiem said:
So I Have been spending a lot of time and effort with my GS3, tweaking the kernal and rom for battery performance and it seems to be working well, now I need to address my Note. Its gotten really slow and feels laggy. My memory used by running apps is less then half. I have greenify freezing a bunch of stuff i dont really need. Im rooted on stock for Rom, with stock Kernel. I was eyeballing some Roms but really dont want to lose any TW functionality, but was hoping to hold off on that until some 2014 Roms popped up. I run Apex as a launcher right now.
Has anyone noticed speed differences with Custom TW Roms or Kernels? or have a good CPU monitor app, they all look pretty, meh, on the play store (i really wish you could see number of dl's and raters from the list view on the play store)...
Up for any suggestions....
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
Try 'Moderate' profile.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
Set to 512. It's the same as seeder but I felt this is much more stable. I'm using this despite paying for seeder.
Nikorasu said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
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I'm sorry, but both of those apps are essentially useless. Task killers are completely unnecessary with the version of Android we're using, and "Seeder" type apps have been shown to have no benefit (the entropy pool is refreshed a different way in post 3.0 kernel versions).
I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me how much free space is left on his internal flash; that measurement has actual deterministic correlation to lag.
Nikorasu said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
Try 'Moderate' profile.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
Set to 512. It's the same as seeder but I felt this is much more stable. I'm using this despite paying for seeder.
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Autokiller is not a task killer.
I'm aware that seeder does not work as well for Ics/Jb, compared to 2.x. On my Razr, seeder has more obvious effects on 4.0, 4.1 compared to 4.2 and 4.3. Perhaps I have a crapload of apps/games on my phone/tablet so the effects are more obvious.
Boths apps are free and are reversible so no harm trying.
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I'm sorry, but both of those apps are essentially useless. Task killers are completely unnecessary with the version of Android we're using, and "Seeder" type apps have been shown to have no benefit (the entropy pool is refreshed a different way in post 3.0 kernel versions).
I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me how much free space is left on his internal flash; that measurement has actual deterministic correlation to lag.
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Ok.. for the internal, out of 25.87 GB i have 18.86 GB Available
On Ram, from Application Manager im showing .93G used 863 MB free
While it may not seem like it, this im sure is the problem. I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings, but im not sure where im looking to clear that up... im only using half of each..
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Autokiller is not a task killer.
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Might as well be- its page says it "fine tunes android systems inner memory manager to keep your device fast over time", so it modifies the various low-memory-killer limits so Android does the killing, but the idea is the same. People have to get out of the mindset that "bloat" means anything, need to remember that unused memory is wasted memory and that the system has a better idea of how to manage the apps you've chosen.
Neflhiem said:
... for the internal, out of 25.87 GB I have 18.86 GB available
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You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
On RAM, from Application Manager I'm showing [930 MB] used 863 MB free ... this I'm sure is the problem.
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No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings
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From where? When do these occur?
You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
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Yeah, 32GB unit, No, havent tried an Fstrim app, grabbing it now...
No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
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Sorry, that didnt read right, i see i have plenty of open mem, i ment that i suspect the lag is comeing from some sort of storage/memory problem. An unseen one per say.
From where? When do these occur?
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When i install an app. thats when i get it. I couldnt remember at first.. was thinking its random, but it seems to pop up when i install and app. I cant tell if its only play store or sideloaded as well, dont do enough of the latter.
Ill install Fstrim, and see if it helps some.
thanks for taking the time to do this.
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I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings
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Neflhiem said:
When I install an app. That's when I get it. I couldn't remember at first. Was thinking it's random, but it seems to pop up when I install an app.
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OK, something isn't right here. Can you do me a favor? Run "adb shell df" and send me that?
kcrudup said:
Might as well be- its page says it "fine tunes android systems inner memory manager to keep your device fast over time", so it modifies the various low-memory-killer limits so Android does the killing, but the idea is the same. People have to get out of the mindset that "bloat" means anything, need to remember that unused memory is wasted memory and that the system has a better idea of how to manage the apps you've chosen.
You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
From where? When do these occur?
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Yup, it tweaks Android internal memory killer. I won't recommend this if it didn't work for me.
Changing it to moderate preset is pretty safe.
Thanks, I'll send that probably Monday. Thanks again
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Neflhiem said:
While it may not seem like it, this im sure is the problem. I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings, but im not sure where im looking to clear that up... im only using half of each..
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How odd! I got today this same warning too. I have 2,2gig free space i my internal memory and I was installing some app and got a message that i have only 1,48mb free or so.
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enigma_x said:
How odd! I got today this same warning too. I have 2,2gig free space i my internal memory and I was installing some app and got a message that i have only 1,48mb free or so.
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We have two note 10.1 tablets(wifi only). One is 16 gb the other is 32 gb... On the 16 there is about 5.6 gb free. When installing some apps from google play we get the same message . and it says 1.48 free.. I think this is a Bug with the new play store. The message will NOT Come up when side loading apps is what i have noticed.Unless it prevents you from installing the apps i would not worry about that message.
Wait for 4.3 and the TRIM support.
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Wait for 4.3 and the TRIM support.
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We have TRIM already.
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For you folks seeing "Not enough free space" issues, how are you determining your "Free Flash" numbers?
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We have TRIM already.
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Really?
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kcrudup said:
We have TRIM already
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enigma_x said:
Really?
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Yes. The stock kernel has it, see that "discard" option:
Code:
/dev/block/mmcblk0p12 /data ext4 noatime,nosuid,nodev,discard,noauto_da_alloc,journal_async_commit,errors=panic wait,check,encryptable=footer
... and my kernels have that, plus at boot time I run "fstrim" on every partition:
Code:
/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /data
/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /cache
/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /system
4.3 runs that last part more often, but technically if the system is running the "discard" option on the filesystems, at least once at boot should really be enough.
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OK, something isn't right here. Can you do me a favor? Run "adb shell df" and send me that?
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hmm. I dont have a PC to connect to, and am having an hard time finding something i can run from my Note. any suggestions on how to run ADB Shell DF locally?
i use system tuner pro. esp if you are rooted. gives a great overall outlook on what is going on with the system.
i personally haven't tried any custom rom's yet. and i can tell also my Note starting to feel laggy.
really hoping a 4.4 custom rom comes along. I heard they added IR blaster support in 4.4 and would really love that to be available. really the only functionality holding me back from custom roms atm.
killerskincanoe said:
i use system tuner pro. esp if you are rooted. gives a great overall outlook on what is going on with the system.
i personally haven't tried any custom rom's yet. and i can tell also my Note starting to feel laggy.
really hoping a 4.4 custom rom comes along. I heard they added IR blaster support in 4.4 and would really love that to be available. really the only functionality holding me back from custom roms atm.
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ok.. will try that out.. creepy ass avatar by the way..
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I'm running cognition 2.4.1 on my captivate and it's great unless my memory is low and then it's laggy and slow. 304mb of available ram for this phone is a joke so i need a way to manage my memory so that i have at least 100mb of ram free always or else it slows down. Does anyone know of an app that does that? i don't want a task killer. I'm getting sick of having to always use level 2 ram clear on the integrated froyo task manager. Also, I'm running launcher pro.
Android. You don't need to manage your memory; Android does this effectively and efficiently. Google the topic and you'll find a lot of information.
Get one of the i9000 roms with the setiron kernel, it has 343mb of memory available.
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Get one of the i9000 roms with the setiron kernel, it has 343mb of memory available.
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Oh i see. Is it as fast as cognition 2.4.1 and has ext4 lag fix imbedded? Can you give me the link please?
skinien said:
Android. You don't need to manage your memory; Android does this effectively and efficiently. Google the topic and you'll find a lot of information.
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Obviously it doesn't because I always have to click the level 2 ram clear or else it runs like a htc hero. I don't want it to use more than the amount i specify. If my phone had 512mb of ram than this wouldn't be an issue, mine shows 304mb free. What a mess.
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Oh i see. Is it as fast as cognition 2.4.1 and has ext4 lag fix imbedded? Can you give me the link please?
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Faster than cognition, it has universal lagfix included. Take your pick...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818030
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829500
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829245
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831542
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803569
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Faster than cognition, it has universal lagfix included. Take your pick...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=818030
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829500
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=829245
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=831542
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=821323
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803569
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Wow! Thank you so much! This phone is amazingly stable and fast now, the extra 36mb of ram helps a lot.
I have done the manual ICS update 4.04 that was recently released in the general section of the forum, and I noticed that the memory is much lower compared to 2.3.6. The memory averages around 50MB, sometimes 100MB, and showing used memory around 285MB. I was wondering if this is normal as some of my games force closes after i start to play. the games uses quite of bit of my phone's resources and was working perfectly on 2.3.6. Also, i use the GO Launcher EX and i tried not using the launcher, but it only frees up little bit of memory. My phone is not rooted, everything is stock of course. I was wondering if anyone else has the same or similar problems? or is this normal in terms of the ICS OS using more memory?
anyone knows????
Give me a list of what services are running and how much ram they're using. This is done through settings > apps > running.
The same is the case with my phone. Sadly thats a compromise for ICS, you have to install custom rom to free up more memory.
I had the same problem at first .
you have to install a ROM+KERNEL that support BIGMEM.
I use Pixel Rom 1.72+ Airkernel 3.9.5, I now have 180mb+ with many programs running. its super fast/stable
Try and you wont regret
Pixel Rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411734
Air Kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469842
Give me your thoughts if you do try
ismailham said:
I had the same problem at first .
you have to install a ROM+KERNEL that support BIGMEM.
I use Pixel Rom 1.72+ Airkernel 3.9.5, I now have 180mb+ with many programs running. its super fast/stable
Try and you wont regret
Pixel Rom:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1411734
Air Kernel:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1469842
Give me your thoughts if you do try
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i was actually looking into that ROM and kernel. How is it in terms of performance and battery life. I'm looking for a ROM and Kernel that increases both lol.
Also right now it says 292MB used and 46MB free. the processes running are settings (34MB), go weather (4.9MB) go launcher ex(34MB), go sms pro(7.5MB), go switch widget (4.1MB), google services (8.5MB), android keyboard (11MB)
Also for extra info, here is cached processes:
go weather (4.8MB) launcher (14MB), media (5.1MB), my uploads(3.4MB), package access helper (3.5MB)
in total, including cached processes, 134.8 MB used
You're sure that is everything that is being shown in the two pages? If so, it looks like something in the background likes eating RAM and doesn't want to share.
Regardless, could you download terminal emulator or something similar (or just use adb shell) and type: "ps > /sdcard/ps.txt" and upload/copypaste the file/contents. It's not a particularly great way of figuring out memory usage but i can probably make do and see if something is wasting it. I know on a fresh boot i have much more lying around in the cache than that, without opening any apps - mostly google sutff.
E.g., 24MB launcher, 11mb core apps, 15mb maps (and more in running), 36mb play store and so on. Although currently on ~402mb bigmem, i don't remember it being much less before - still 200mb used (as always) and cache is generally filled to the brim.
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Regardless, could you download terminal emulator or something similar (or just use adb shell) and type: "ps > /sdcard/ps.txt" and upload/copypaste the file/contents. It's not a particularly great way of figuring out memory usage but i can probably make do and see if something is wasting it. I know on a fresh boot i have much more lying around in the cache than that, without opening any apps - mostly google sutff.
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Hi. I have the same memory problem, i created the ps.txt. I don't know how to read this txt..
What does mean these things :
USER PID PPID VSIZE RSS WCHAN PC NAME
What are ppid, vsize, rss wchan??
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PID -> Process IDentifier -> Wiki for more info
Vsize -> Virtual Size -> RAM usage (SWAP + Physical)
RSS -> Residential Set Size -> RAM usage (Physical only)
wchan -> Some waiting indicator, never looked into it
I just want a detailed list of what processes are using up the RAM. Basically i'm looking for something with excessively high RSS and just comparing it with my phones results.
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You're sure that is everything that is being shown in the two pages? If so, it looks like something in the background likes eating RAM and doesn't want to share.
Regardless, could you download terminal emulator or something similar (or just use adb shell) and type: "ps > /sdcard/ps.txt" and upload/copypaste the file/contents. It's not a particularly great way of figuring out memory usage but i can probably make do and see if something is wasting it. I know on a fresh boot i have much more lying around in the cache than that, without opening any apps - mostly google sutff.
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that is all it shows. Here is the ps.txt file. Thank you for your help
Too sleepy (and mentally deprived) at the moment to give a good answer. I would, however, try ditching go launcher altogether (preferably uninstall, hopefully not too much trouble) for a little while and see if it gets better. I can't tell for sure without better memory analyzers but it is possible golauncher has gone haywire (or maybe not, trial and error ).
If not this, i notice there are many kcryptd processes going on. To my knowledge that is kernel based but i know not what it does or what it's for, did you encrypt the phone by any chance? I havn't run stock in too long to remember how the ps list was. I should be able to give a better, more thorough answer tomorrow regardless though.
edit: also, i've attached my own ps log for reference. We're talking around 205mb used and 197mb free when that log was taken. Have a look. Note that RSS (all in kB) can be shared, so that 20mb from each go launcher process may well be the same ~20mb between all of them which they all have access to, so it's not 100mb+ used, just ~20mb.
I'm pretty sure I haven't encrypted anything, is there a way to find out what has been encrypted? I have removed go launcher ex and the themes. Will now see how the memory is, in the meantime, go sleep Harbb lol.
Basche said:
I'm pretty sure I haven't encrypted anything, is there a way to find out what has been encrypted? I have removed go launcher ex and the themes. Will now see how the memory is, in the meantime, go sleep Harbb lol.
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You would know if your phone was encrypted
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Wow I'll have to try that pixelrom and airkernel for sure (especially since I just recently rooted for the first time a couple days ago).
The miniscule account of RAM we have on our phones to play with is literally my only complaint about my Nexus S. If I could seriously UP the free/available RAM like ismailham says, I'd be falling in love with my phone all over again!
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MotorcycleKopp said:
Wow I'll have to try that pixelrom and airkernel for sure (especially since I just recently rooted for the first time a couple days ago).
The miniscule account of RAM we have on our phones to play with is literally my only complaint about my Nexus S. If I could seriously UP the free/available RAM like ismailham says, I'd be falling in love with my phone all over again!
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dude, i know what you mean, but i don't wanna void my warranty yet. Still got some months left
Basche said:
dude, i know what you mean, but i don't wanna void my warranty yet. Still got some months left
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You know you can lock bootloader on a nexus right?
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DarkhShadow said:
You know you can lock bootloader on a nexus right?
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i think people had some issues with that, not sure
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i think people had some issues with that, not sure
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Only if they can't get into bootloader, and generally in that case Samsung can't either
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Basche said:
i think people had some issues with that, not sure
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Definitely non issue. Done it to send mine for repair for a failing BGA, it was near painless. The biggest "trouble" was removing CWM and SU to make it look stock.
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Definitely non issue. Done it to send mine for repair for a failing BGA, it was near painless. The biggest "trouble" was removing CWM and SU to make it look stock.
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how did u lock the bootloader
Can someone explain this to me?
I don't know why, I have the same thing, but I think its related to how you would order a 16gb microsd and have, for instance 14.03 gb.
Some of it gets used by kernel space and video ram.
Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
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Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
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Great way of putting out
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scsa20 said:
Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
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Basically this.
If you look at any Android device, you'll notice it doesn't list the full amount of RAM that it physically has. It's just the nature of the operating system.
With 1.62GB reserved for use by applications, who can complain? That's equal to or more than pretty much any Android device in existence at the moment.
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Basically this.
If you look at any Android device, you'll notice it doesn't list the full amount of RAM that it physically has. It's just the nature of the operating system.
With 1.62GB reserved for use by applications, who can complain? That's equal to or more than pretty much any Android device in existence at the moment.
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I was pretty sure is more and ANY android phone in existance except US variants of gs3 (and Korean one too maybe?)
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Bloat sucks! Like others have said, roughly 380mb of ram is reserved for the system.
droidstyle said:
Bloat sucks! Like others have said, roughly 380mb of ram is reserved for the system.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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derpy derp, please refer to bobloblaw's post!
can't see the attachment in the OP, but I assume based off the comments they are noticing the 1.6Gb available to user, which is as others have explained, after all the system gets it's memory and all
then out of that, at least on my CM10 JB build, with a lot of apps running, there is still 1GB of ram free, so there's 600Mb actively in use by apps and what not....
be really glad you have a full gigabyte of free ram, you could be like the Exynos guys and get a gimped 1Gb of ram and have only 100!150Mb free, and have your apps and stuff having to reload and stuff just to maintain free memory for overhead.
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Yes that is what I was trying to say. Thank you. But it is not irrelevant because by definition bloat would not be necessary files to my way of thinking. Bloat (the way I think of it) are files taking up space that are not necessary. This 380k is necessary.
the 380 is mostly necessary. you and droidstyle are both correct, no not all of that is useless stuff but honestly probably a majority of it is crap running in the background, stock apps and widgets and processes, that nobody will ever need.
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TechSavvy2 said:
I was pretty sure is more and ANY android phone in existance except US variants of gs3 (and Korean one too maybe?)
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LG Optimus LTE II announced the same day as the Galaxy S III comes with 2 GB of RAM. Although, if I recall correctly, the usable memory is something like 1.2 GB.
Taehee. said:
LG Optimus LTE II announced the same day as the Galaxy S III comes with 2 GB of RAM. Although, if I recall correctly, the usable memory is something like 1.2 GB.
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2GB of ram is quickly becoming the norm. It's nice after a couple days let say I have opened 60 apps, and when i go back to an app from the day before after using my phone the entire time, to be able to go back to that app and have it be right where i left it, having lost nothing......also it's nice to be able to run very involving launchers and not have to wait on it to reload from time to time......
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Your so called bloat isn't loaded into ram unless you launch it and I'm certain it isn't using the system reserved ram but would use the free ram pool. I would assume its the os and video memory that is using that space not some vzw apps you aren't using.
lol
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Your so called bloat isn't loaded into ram unless you launch it and I'm certain it isn't using the system reserved ram but would use the free ram pool. I would assume its the os and video memory that is using that space not some vzw apps you aren't using.
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a lot of the Samsung stuff is indeed loaded into RAM.
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b4silver said:
Can someone explain this to me?
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[/COLOR]Agree that it's being used by the video display. Video memory has to come from somewhere.
hi, ive been succesfully rooted my samsung galaxy gio s5660m and now im looking forward for my ram expansion and internal memory.. someone can help me for this topic? tnx a lot
badagila said:
hi, ive been succesfully rooted my samsung galaxy gio s5660m and now im looking forward for my ram expansion and internal memory.. someone can help me for this topic? tnx a lot
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You need to go here to download the extra RAM for your device - if it's compatible.
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SimonTS said:
You need to go here to download the extra RAM for your device - if it's compatible.
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is it 100% safe? tnx
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Sewrizer said:
I don't think you can download RAM.. I know you can add RAM cards on computers and laptops but they have certain limitations(plus, they are hardware which you have to buy and apply correctly).. and on an android phone I'm not sure.. so if you could provide more details it would be great.
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but you have any idea how to increase ram in a safe way? do you already root your cell phone?
Sewrizer said:
i have rooted a sgs2 and a htc sensation xe.
You can't increase RAM without the hardware (again, as far as i know). the only thing you can do is to use less RAM, thus making the device faster and more effective. try freezing the apps that you are not using with titanium back-up. a lot of apps work on background and you don't even need them. by freezing them, you prevent them from auto-starting. you can unfreeze them to make them work again. (you need to be rooted for this)
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And then we get into the old falacy that "Free RAM is good". This is simply NOT true on Android. If you start running too short on free RAM then the Android system starts to kill applications to free up more RAM, but RAM is there to be used.
badagila said:
is it 100% safe? tnx
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Ahahahaha :')
@OP I don't know if this'll work on your phone but on the HD2 at least you could create a swap partition on your SD card then flash a zRam script to increase RAM.
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So you are saying it is bad/useless to kill/freeze unused background applications?
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Useless? Not necessarily, as long as you know what you are doing and are 100% certain about the apps you are freezing. However, I have never seen any real benefit in doing so. The Android built-in task manager normally does a failry good job of managing the memory without any real intervention.
SimonTS said:
Useless? Not necessarily, as long as you know what you are doing and are 100% certain about the apps you are freezing. However, I have never seen any real benefit in doing so. The Android built-in task manager normally does a failry good job of managing the memory without any real intervention.
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Actually I personally have found that killing apps on devices with low RAM makes the phone feel a lot faster.
Nigeldg said:
Actually I personally have found that killing apps on devices with low RAM makes the phone feel a lot faster.
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Manually killing them is something I do as well. I just don't buy into the task-killer type apps.
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I was suggesting freezing and killing unused apps on background because on phones with low RAM (his gio has less than 512 MB of ram) system is laggy, mostly because of pre-installed software which users don't use. He said he has just rooted his phone, therefore he can't have uninstalled the network carrier apps/social networks apps, which may be running on background. And in my experience as an android user, if anything is laggy or stops working, i restart the phone. And after restarting it always works smoother.
About the android built-in task manager, it does indeed do a good job, but on 2.x android versions is a little harder to find and use. thanks for replies
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Freezing / killing the apps as root can be useful, but as I said you need to be certain what apps you are freezing and why. How many times have you read on XDA from someone who has frozen a load of the 'Background' apps, and then finds their device won't even boot up and they have to do a full flash to recover, often losing a load of data as well?
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Nigeldg said:
Ahahahaha :')
@OP I don't know if this'll work on your phone but on the HD2 at least you could create a swap partition on your SD card then flash a zRam script to increase RAM.
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my phone is samsung galaxy gio s5660m and yes i rooted
I am currently running stock with franco kernel 32...
i always see that my ram consumption is always very high about 1 gb...
i have auto sync off and by using gravity box module i often clear all the apps but still i get this high ram usage.. the apps i use are mostly paid version and dont have adds. I use greenify as well but still usage is high..
in my cached processes google search and aosp keyboard consume around 100 mb of memory
will this affect my battery life.?
pls can someone help?
Don't worry. Android uses as much ram as it can. Unless you're seeing performance issues if just leave it alone.
Hi,
Nothing abnormal to have about 1Gb used (there was a thing about RAM usage in the last version if I remember right, but not with R32 so...).
Maybe not necessary to clear often the recent apps (nor useful).
Nothing to worry about your battery life.
You apps stays in memory for faster use, let Android manage its ram, with 2Gb (a bit less for user/app) it's enough...
Ram is supposed to be used. The old adage "free ram is useless ram" applies here.
The ram device itself will use power as all components will however, it is "always on" it doesn't matter if its 1MB or 1GB.... it's same power regardless.
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@JJD1639 thanks for the assurance man.. i thought it may cause battery drain.:good:
@viking37 thanks,so u mean its better to leave them as they are. no need of hibernating them?
@rootSU thanks u! ya i had heard that in linux as opposed to conventional windows belief its rather that free ram is wasted ram.. so even if i start a game a high requirement one the OS will do the job itself?
Yeo
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Sonone said:
@viking37 thanks,so u mean its better to leave them as they are. no need of hibernating them?
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Re,
No, what I mean is let your apps currently running like they are, in the recent apps. If a day you are really very low in memory for whatever reason (like 200-300Mb free for example) and you experience lags, reboot ant it's fine. But Android will do the necessary before (unless a "huge memory leak" like we have seen or some wrong memory management settings caused by a "RAM manager app" or some "magic RAM script").
My opinion was not about Greenify in particular, I have no opinion about it... If you need or want to hibernate them, do it, for the other apps, leave them running
Not sure if I explain myself well
If you want post some screenshots of your apps running and cache process to see, but with what you said it seems that there is nothing wrong...
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No, what I mean is let your apps currently running like they are, in the recent apps. If a day you are really very low in memory for whatever reason (like 200-300Mb free for example) and you experience lags, reboot ant it's fine. But Android will do the necessary before (unless a "huge memory leak" like we have seen or some wrong memory management settings caused by a "RAM manager app" or some "magic RAM script").
My opinion was not about Greenify in particular, I have no opinion about it... If you need or want to hibernate them, do it, for the other apps, leave them running
Not sure if I explain myself well
If you want post some screenshots of your apps running and cache process to see, but with what you said it seems that there is nothing wrong...
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ya there is nothing wrong... its just that I am probably being a bit too curious for no reason...
i shall leave it to the OS memory management..I just checked there's no rogue app consuming memory.. the ones which are running seem quite justified!:good:
and please dude,i got you (explained well)and i really appreciate the support and help from all of you.. i post a thing and within a minute there are people to help..:highfive::angel:
Sonone said:
and please dude,i got you (explained well)and i really appreciate the support and help from all of you.. i post a thing and within a minute there are people to help..:highfive::angel:
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Yes, all seems good :good:
Curiosity is good and you're welcome
Sonone said:
@JJD1639 thanks for the assurance man.. i thought it may cause battery drain.:good:
@viking37 thanks,so u mean its better to leave them as they are. no need of hibernating them?
@rootSU thanks u! ya i had heard that in linux as opposed to conventional windows belief its rather that free ram is wasted ram.. so even if i start a game a high requirement one the OS will do the job itself?
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ps. this applies to pretty much all desktop OS's as well as mobile in the past 10 years or so.. linux, windows, osx etc.. 90% ram usage or more should be normal unless you have an insane amount of ram in the system.
nexusprouser said:
my ram booster keeps clearing my ram because it uses up to 1.6
any process I can shut down from default to stop it from clearing?
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Get rid of ram booster. You don't need it and it's causing more problems than it's fixing.
If I notice my device slow down, I click the button to switch apps and swipe them all closed.
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I should say, I don't need to worry about it on this phone.
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Sonone said:
I am currently running stock with franco kernel 32...
i always see that my ram consumption is always very high about 1 gb...
i have auto sync off and by using gravity box module i often clear all the apps but still i get this high ram usage.. the apps i use are mostly paid version and dont have adds. I use greenify as well but still usage is high..
in my cached processes google search and aosp keyboard consume around 100 mb of memory
will this affect my battery life.?
pls can someone help?
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Try this app http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2327541
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Ashcunak said:
ps. this applies to pretty much all desktop OS's as well as mobile in the past 10 years or so.. linux, windows, osx etc.. 90% ram usage or more should be normal unless you have an insane amount of ram in the system.
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memory management has not been a quite favourite subject of mine
Sonone said:
memory management has not been a quite favourite subject of mine
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Even on high end devices like nexus???
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Mr hOaX said:
Even on high end devices like nexus???
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i meant academically!
Sonone said:
i meant academically!
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Okay cool
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