Can someone explain this to me?
I don't know why, I have the same thing, but I think its related to how you would order a 16gb microsd and have, for instance 14.03 gb.
Some of it gets used by kernel space and video ram.
Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
scsa20 said:
Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
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Great way of putting out
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scsa20 said:
Think of this as a computer, a computer with a video card that doesn't have on board RAM will reserved some portion of the RAM for it's own used and will not show the full the full system RAM because of that portion being reserved. It's computer's nature.
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Basically this.
If you look at any Android device, you'll notice it doesn't list the full amount of RAM that it physically has. It's just the nature of the operating system.
With 1.62GB reserved for use by applications, who can complain? That's equal to or more than pretty much any Android device in existence at the moment.
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Basically this.
If you look at any Android device, you'll notice it doesn't list the full amount of RAM that it physically has. It's just the nature of the operating system.
With 1.62GB reserved for use by applications, who can complain? That's equal to or more than pretty much any Android device in existence at the moment.
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I was pretty sure is more and ANY android phone in existance except US variants of gs3 (and Korean one too maybe?)
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Bloat sucks! Like others have said, roughly 380mb of ram is reserved for the system.
droidstyle said:
Bloat sucks! Like others have said, roughly 380mb of ram is reserved for the system.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Without that "bloat" your RAM wouldn't work at all.
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derpy derp, please refer to bobloblaw's post!
can't see the attachment in the OP, but I assume based off the comments they are noticing the 1.6Gb available to user, which is as others have explained, after all the system gets it's memory and all
then out of that, at least on my CM10 JB build, with a lot of apps running, there is still 1GB of ram free, so there's 600Mb actively in use by apps and what not....
be really glad you have a full gigabyte of free ram, you could be like the Exynos guys and get a gimped 1Gb of ram and have only 100!150Mb free, and have your apps and stuff having to reload and stuff just to maintain free memory for overhead.
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Yes that is what I was trying to say. Thank you. But it is not irrelevant because by definition bloat would not be necessary files to my way of thinking. Bloat (the way I think of it) are files taking up space that are not necessary. This 380k is necessary.
the 380 is mostly necessary. you and droidstyle are both correct, no not all of that is useless stuff but honestly probably a majority of it is crap running in the background, stock apps and widgets and processes, that nobody will ever need.
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I was pretty sure is more and ANY android phone in existance except US variants of gs3 (and Korean one too maybe?)
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LG Optimus LTE II announced the same day as the Galaxy S III comes with 2 GB of RAM. Although, if I recall correctly, the usable memory is something like 1.2 GB.
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LG Optimus LTE II announced the same day as the Galaxy S III comes with 2 GB of RAM. Although, if I recall correctly, the usable memory is something like 1.2 GB.
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2GB of ram is quickly becoming the norm. It's nice after a couple days let say I have opened 60 apps, and when i go back to an app from the day before after using my phone the entire time, to be able to go back to that app and have it be right where i left it, having lost nothing......also it's nice to be able to run very involving launchers and not have to wait on it to reload from time to time......
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Huh. Think about what you just said.
Bloat is by definition superfluous data that is not required. And the ram would still work, it just wouldn't have anything to run so it wouldn't have a function.
What you were probably trying to say was without the necessary required system files the ram would be largely useless. Of course that really isn't relevant in addressing what droidstyle said.
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Your so called bloat isn't loaded into ram unless you launch it and I'm certain it isn't using the system reserved ram but would use the free ram pool. I would assume its the os and video memory that is using that space not some vzw apps you aren't using.
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Your so called bloat isn't loaded into ram unless you launch it and I'm certain it isn't using the system reserved ram but would use the free ram pool. I would assume its the os and video memory that is using that space not some vzw apps you aren't using.
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a lot of the Samsung stuff is indeed loaded into RAM.
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Can someone explain this to me?
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[/COLOR]Agree that it's being used by the video display. Video memory has to come from somewhere.
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Allright, everyone has their noob questions and here's mine:
The HTC Inspire has 768MB RAM, correct? Yes.
So why is it that whenever I go to Settings > Applications > Running services
I see it saying 140Mb Used + 416MB Free.
That's only 556MB RAM.
It always adds up to that number.
Where's my other 212MB RAM being used?
I'm currently using Android Revolution HD 4.0 Beta 2
Thanks.
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Allright, everyone has their noob questions and here's mine:
The HTC Inspire has 768MB RAM, correct? Yes.
So why is it that whenever I go to Settings > Applications > Running services
I see it saying 140Mb Used + 416MB Free.
That's only 556MB RAM.
It always adds up to that number.
Where's my other 212MB RAM being used?
I'm currently using Android Revolution HD 4.0 Beta 2
Thanks.
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I'm not an expert but I recall someone saying it sets some side for the video processor to use.
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A portion of the RAM is used by the OS, all the processes it needs, the launcher, and sense UI stuff.
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A portion of the RAM is used by the OS, all the processes it needs, the launcher, and sense UI stuff.
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True, but those "system processes" are also shown with that 556MB, and they usually take up around 200MB of it. Leaving me with about 350MB RAM if I'm running nothing.
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What he says is true...on a fresh boot with nothing running i usually have between 350mb and 365mb free and the Android OS and HTC UI are in the list of whats being used.
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Theres some being set aside for hardware. The gpu may use some, theres probably a good bit set aside for the radio. Like the galaxy s, some may be able to be skimmed from here and there to give a little more user accessible RAM, but I've looked into this 0%. My kernel for the captivated is able to give around 30 extra MB or RAM accessible to the user with everything still working 100%(hd video recording etc). There is 768 mb or RAM in the phone though, some of its just reserved for things that need some of it dedicated, its not dynamically distributed as hardware needs it, instead its set aside UNTIL the hardware needs it.
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True, but those "system processes" are also shown with that 556MB, and they usually take up around 200MB of it. Leaving me with about 350MB RAM if I'm running nothing.
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Not everything appears though in running lists, the launcher for example takes up at least 20-30Mb of RAM just to run. Other internal processes just aren't shown. Sense UI stuff I bet is a big part of it.
You can set your task manager/viewer/killer to show all the system processes and whatnot.
It doesn't show 768 total ram.
I have this same question about the 4gigs of storage I've seen reported... I only see 1gig myself
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You can set your task manager/viewer/killer to show all the system processes and whatnot.
It doesn't show 768 total ram.
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And it never will. Read my post above. It's 100% the answer to this thread, same as every other phone
arajay said:
I have this same question about the 4gigs of storage I've seen reported... I only see 1gig myself
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The theory behind this is that the 4GB has been formatted to Single Layer. When you do this to flash memory, it becomes faster and more stable, but you lose half of the storage space. So 4GB goes to 2GB. Take out for the operating system, and you are left with about a gig.
Once you format to single layer, you cannot go back. I know it sounds like false advertising, but i am fine with my system partitions being faster and more stable in exchange for losing a couple of gig. There is always SD cards.
I hope this helps.
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The theory behind this is that the 4GB has been formatted to Single Layer. When you do this to flash memory, it becomes faster and more stable, but you lose half of the storage space. So 4GB goes to 2GB. Take out for the operating system, and you are left with about a gig.
Once you format to single layer, you cannot go back. I know it sounds like false advertising, but i am fine with my system partitions being faster and more stable in exchange for losing a couple of gig. There is always SD cards.
I hope this helps.
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That was a great answer! Thank you for helping me to understand
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Yup that was the same the same question/ordeal when the g2 vision came out and this was the answer that was found.
Hi everyone,
I notice my TOTAL RAM (not used RAM) is gradually decreasing. For example, my total RAM started at 1.79, then went to 1.69, not at 1.59. Is this normal? Why is it decreasing? What can I do to increase to total RAM back to out of box (or close thereto) of 1.79?
Thanks for your help.
Uhhh I just checked mine and I have 1.56 wtf. I swore it was 1.79 before I switched to jb tw.
Actual ram available on this device is 1.6gb on touchwiz...aosp roms might be slightly more.
kench33 said:
Uhhh I just checked mine and I have 1.56 wtf. I swore it was 1.79 before I switched to jb tw.
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Exactly. I know my S3 started at 1.79 out the box. Now at 1.59. Although I've rooted my phone previously, I unrooted my phone and am now back o stock. Any help to get total RAM back up is appreciated.
kdubs71 said:
Exactly. I know my S3 started at 1.79 out the box. Now at 1.59. Although I've rooted my phone previously, I unrooted my phone and am now back o stock. Any help to get total RAM back up is appreciated.
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Haven't you accepted OTA's since you first had this phone? The small difference in ram missing is likely because of newer firmware updates similar to, for example, the missing internal storage of your 16GB or 32 GB that is dedicated to TW. Couldn't the same hold true for ram since we don't get a full 2 GB out of the box? If you've used Odin to return to stock and your available ram hasn't changed to what you remember it was at, there's likely no getting that back.
My max has been at/around 1.62 GB of ram FWIW.
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Mine is also 1.59. If everyone the same it being used by new OS/firmware. If you are even close to using it all need to kill some apps running apps.. I have 200+ apps on mine and still only using half of it.
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Haven't you accepted OTA's since you first had this phone? The small difference in ram missing is likely because of newer firmware updates similar to, for example, the missing internal storage of your 16GB or 32 GB that is dedicated to TW. Couldn't the same hold true for ram since we don't get a full 2 GB out of the box? If you've used Odin to return to stock and your available ram hasn't changed to what you remember it was at, there's likely no getting that back.
My max has been at/around 1.62 GB of ram FWIW.
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Yes I've accepted OTAs. Currently on VRLHE. Not sure what happened to RAM. Just don't like to see it going down like this. maybe future OTAs will help.
They are obviously reallocating it somewhere, maybe the gpu?
1630 ram here on AOSP.
Couple things, touchwiz hogs up a lot of ram, so if you are on a touchwiz rom you WILL have less ram. AOSP roms use far less ram, so if your on AOSP you'll have a lot more (hence me having 1630). Free ram is wasted ram as well, if its not being used then its being wasted. And finally as updates come things can be relocated to other places, just because you can't see it doesn't mean its not there and not doing something helpful
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Hi everyone,
I notice my TOTAL RAM (not used RAM) is gradually decreasing. For example, my total RAM started at 1.79, then went to 1.69, not at 1.59. Is this normal? Why is it decreasing? What can I do to increase to total RAM back to out of box (or close thereto) of 1.79?
Thanks for your help.
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I think I have noticed the same thing efore
Just a question, why are we concerned with "only" having 1.59gb of ram? Is that not enough to run with? I mean damn most phone that come out the same time had 1gb. I see wanting to know whats using it but I wouldn't be worried about running out. Haha
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droidx2.3.3 said:
Just a question, why are we concerned with "only" having 1.59gb of ram? Is that not enough to run with? I mean damn most phone that come out the same time had 1gb. I see wanting to know whats using it but I wouldn't be worried about running out. Haha
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Agreed. 2 gigs of ram (1.6x actual ram) is more than enough ram. The reason why so many phones now that have 1gig of ram run slow is because so much of that ram is used by Sense, touchwiz, motoblur, etc which slows everything down. That's why AOSP is nice to have as an option because you get so much more actual ram to use thats not being sucked up by manufacturer skins. Getting 2gigs is a huge plus solely because of the touchwiz UI, because if we only had 1gig like the international version we'd be stuck with things appearing to run slower than they should.
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Agreed. 2 gigs of ram (1.6x actual ram) is more than enough ram. The reason why so many phones now that have 1gig of ram run slow is because so much of that ram is used by Sense, touchwiz, motoblur, etc which slows everything down. That's why AOSP is nice to have as an option because you get so much more actual ram to use thats not being sucked up by manufacturer skins. Getting 2gigs is a huge plus solely because of the touchwiz UI, because if we only had 1gig like the international version we'd be stuck with things appearing to run slower than they should.
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I know the feeling about the laggy feel of not enough ram. I came from a droid x with only 512mb. Most times it wad bearable but others it was an annoyance.
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I wondered this same thing, but with no other phones to compare to. But yes, I'm down to 1.59GB as well
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hi, ive been succesfully rooted my samsung galaxy gio s5660m and now im looking forward for my ram expansion and internal memory.. someone can help me for this topic? tnx a lot
badagila said:
hi, ive been succesfully rooted my samsung galaxy gio s5660m and now im looking forward for my ram expansion and internal memory.. someone can help me for this topic? tnx a lot
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You need to go here to download the extra RAM for your device - if it's compatible.
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SimonTS said:
You need to go here to download the extra RAM for your device - if it's compatible.
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is it 100% safe? tnx
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Sewrizer said:
I don't think you can download RAM.. I know you can add RAM cards on computers and laptops but they have certain limitations(plus, they are hardware which you have to buy and apply correctly).. and on an android phone I'm not sure.. so if you could provide more details it would be great.
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but you have any idea how to increase ram in a safe way? do you already root your cell phone?
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i have rooted a sgs2 and a htc sensation xe.
You can't increase RAM without the hardware (again, as far as i know). the only thing you can do is to use less RAM, thus making the device faster and more effective. try freezing the apps that you are not using with titanium back-up. a lot of apps work on background and you don't even need them. by freezing them, you prevent them from auto-starting. you can unfreeze them to make them work again. (you need to be rooted for this)
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And then we get into the old falacy that "Free RAM is good". This is simply NOT true on Android. If you start running too short on free RAM then the Android system starts to kill applications to free up more RAM, but RAM is there to be used.
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Ahahahaha :')
@OP I don't know if this'll work on your phone but on the HD2 at least you could create a swap partition on your SD card then flash a zRam script to increase RAM.
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So you are saying it is bad/useless to kill/freeze unused background applications?
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Useless? Not necessarily, as long as you know what you are doing and are 100% certain about the apps you are freezing. However, I have never seen any real benefit in doing so. The Android built-in task manager normally does a failry good job of managing the memory without any real intervention.
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Useless? Not necessarily, as long as you know what you are doing and are 100% certain about the apps you are freezing. However, I have never seen any real benefit in doing so. The Android built-in task manager normally does a failry good job of managing the memory without any real intervention.
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Actually I personally have found that killing apps on devices with low RAM makes the phone feel a lot faster.
Nigeldg said:
Actually I personally have found that killing apps on devices with low RAM makes the phone feel a lot faster.
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Manually killing them is something I do as well. I just don't buy into the task-killer type apps.
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I was suggesting freezing and killing unused apps on background because on phones with low RAM (his gio has less than 512 MB of ram) system is laggy, mostly because of pre-installed software which users don't use. He said he has just rooted his phone, therefore he can't have uninstalled the network carrier apps/social networks apps, which may be running on background. And in my experience as an android user, if anything is laggy or stops working, i restart the phone. And after restarting it always works smoother.
About the android built-in task manager, it does indeed do a good job, but on 2.x android versions is a little harder to find and use. thanks for replies
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Freezing / killing the apps as root can be useful, but as I said you need to be certain what apps you are freezing and why. How many times have you read on XDA from someone who has frozen a load of the 'Background' apps, and then finds their device won't even boot up and they have to do a full flash to recover, often losing a load of data as well?
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Ahahahaha :')
@OP I don't know if this'll work on your phone but on the HD2 at least you could create a swap partition on your SD card then flash a zRam script to increase RAM.
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my phone is samsung galaxy gio s5660m and yes i rooted
So I Have been spending a lot of time and effort with my GS3, tweaking the kernal and rom for battery performance and it seems to be working well, now I need to address my Note. Its gotten really slow and feels laggy. My memory used by running apps is less then half. I have greenify freezing a bunch of stuff i dont really need. Im rooted on stock for Rom, with stock Kernel. I was eyeballing some Roms but really dont want to lose any TW functionality, but was hoping to hold off on that until some 2014 Roms popped up. I run Apex as a launcher right now.
Has anyone noticed speed differences with Custom TW Roms or Kernels? or have a good CPU monitor app, they all look pretty, meh, on the play store (i really wish you could see number of dl's and raters from the list view on the play store)...
Up for any suggestions....
Your problem likely has nothing to do with "available RAM" or "processes".
... how full is your internal flash (your "sdcard")?
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So I Have been spending a lot of time and effort with my GS3, tweaking the kernal and rom for battery performance and it seems to be working well, now I need to address my Note. Its gotten really slow and feels laggy. My memory used by running apps is less then half. I have greenify freezing a bunch of stuff i dont really need. Im rooted on stock for Rom, with stock Kernel. I was eyeballing some Roms but really dont want to lose any TW functionality, but was hoping to hold off on that until some 2014 Roms popped up. I run Apex as a launcher right now.
Has anyone noticed speed differences with Custom TW Roms or Kernels? or have a good CPU monitor app, they all look pretty, meh, on the play store (i really wish you could see number of dl's and raters from the list view on the play store)...
Up for any suggestions....
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
Try 'Moderate' profile.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
Set to 512. It's the same as seeder but I felt this is much more stable. I'm using this despite paying for seeder.
Nikorasu said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
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I'm sorry, but both of those apps are essentially useless. Task killers are completely unnecessary with the version of Android we're using, and "Seeder" type apps have been shown to have no benefit (the entropy pool is refreshed a different way in post 3.0 kernel versions).
I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me how much free space is left on his internal flash; that measurement has actual deterministic correlation to lag.
Nikorasu said:
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.rs.autokiller&hl=en
Try 'Moderate' profile.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.zdvdev.sef&hl=en
Set to 512. It's the same as seeder but I felt this is much more stable. I'm using this despite paying for seeder.
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Autokiller is not a task killer.
I'm aware that seeder does not work as well for Ics/Jb, compared to 2.x. On my Razr, seeder has more obvious effects on 4.0, 4.1 compared to 4.2 and 4.3. Perhaps I have a crapload of apps/games on my phone/tablet so the effects are more obvious.
Boths apps are free and are reversible so no harm trying.
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I'm sorry, but both of those apps are essentially useless. Task killers are completely unnecessary with the version of Android we're using, and "Seeder" type apps have been shown to have no benefit (the entropy pool is refreshed a different way in post 3.0 kernel versions).
I'm still waiting for the OP to tell me how much free space is left on his internal flash; that measurement has actual deterministic correlation to lag.
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Ok.. for the internal, out of 25.87 GB i have 18.86 GB Available
On Ram, from Application Manager im showing .93G used 863 MB free
While it may not seem like it, this im sure is the problem. I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings, but im not sure where im looking to clear that up... im only using half of each..
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Autokiller is not a task killer.
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Might as well be- its page says it "fine tunes android systems inner memory manager to keep your device fast over time", so it modifies the various low-memory-killer limits so Android does the killing, but the idea is the same. People have to get out of the mindset that "bloat" means anything, need to remember that unused memory is wasted memory and that the system has a better idea of how to manage the apps you've chosen.
Neflhiem said:
... for the internal, out of 25.87 GB I have 18.86 GB available
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You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
On RAM, from Application Manager I'm showing [930 MB] used 863 MB free ... this I'm sure is the problem.
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No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings
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From where? When do these occur?
You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
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Yeah, 32GB unit, No, havent tried an Fstrim app, grabbing it now...
No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
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Sorry, that didnt read right, i see i have plenty of open mem, i ment that i suspect the lag is comeing from some sort of storage/memory problem. An unseen one per say.
From where? When do these occur?
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When i install an app. thats when i get it. I couldnt remember at first.. was thinking its random, but it seems to pop up when i install and app. I cant tell if its only play store or sideloaded as well, dont do enough of the latter.
Ill install Fstrim, and see if it helps some.
thanks for taking the time to do this.
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I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings
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Neflhiem said:
When I install an app. That's when I get it. I couldn't remember at first. Was thinking it's random, but it seems to pop up when I install an app.
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OK, something isn't right here. Can you do me a favor? Run "adb shell df" and send me that?
kcrudup said:
Might as well be- its page says it "fine tunes android systems inner memory manager to keep your device fast over time", so it modifies the various low-memory-killer limits so Android does the killing, but the idea is the same. People have to get out of the mindset that "bloat" means anything, need to remember that unused memory is wasted memory and that the system has a better idea of how to manage the apps you've chosen.
You have a 32GB unit, right? If not you're looking at your SD-Card, and I need to know the used/free percentages on your /data (or /sdcard, close enough) partition. But if you do have a 32GB device, that's actually quite empty, which is a good thing. If you're rooted, have you tried running an "fstrim" app on the device like this app?
No, not at all- in fact, you're underusing most of your memory.
From where? When do these occur?
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Yup, it tweaks Android internal memory killer. I won't recommend this if it didn't work for me.
Changing it to moderate preset is pretty safe.
Thanks, I'll send that probably Monday. Thanks again
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Neflhiem said:
While it may not seem like it, this im sure is the problem. I do get the "only xxmb left of internal memory" warnings, but im not sure where im looking to clear that up... im only using half of each..
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How odd! I got today this same warning too. I have 2,2gig free space i my internal memory and I was installing some app and got a message that i have only 1,48mb free or so.
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enigma_x said:
How odd! I got today this same warning too. I have 2,2gig free space i my internal memory and I was installing some app and got a message that i have only 1,48mb free or so.
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We have two note 10.1 tablets(wifi only). One is 16 gb the other is 32 gb... On the 16 there is about 5.6 gb free. When installing some apps from google play we get the same message . and it says 1.48 free.. I think this is a Bug with the new play store. The message will NOT Come up when side loading apps is what i have noticed.Unless it prevents you from installing the apps i would not worry about that message.
Wait for 4.3 and the TRIM support.
elzeus said:
Wait for 4.3 and the TRIM support.
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We have TRIM already.
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For you folks seeing "Not enough free space" issues, how are you determining your "Free Flash" numbers?
kcrudup said:
We have TRIM already.
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Really?
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kcrudup said:
We have TRIM already
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enigma_x said:
Really?
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Yes. The stock kernel has it, see that "discard" option:
Code:
/dev/block/mmcblk0p12 /data ext4 noatime,nosuid,nodev,discard,noauto_da_alloc,journal_async_commit,errors=panic wait,check,encryptable=footer
... and my kernels have that, plus at boot time I run "fstrim" on every partition:
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/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /data
/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /cache
/system/bin/logwrapper /sbin/fstrim -v /system
4.3 runs that last part more often, but technically if the system is running the "discard" option on the filesystems, at least once at boot should really be enough.
kcrudup said:
OK, something isn't right here. Can you do me a favor? Run "adb shell df" and send me that?
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hmm. I dont have a PC to connect to, and am having an hard time finding something i can run from my Note. any suggestions on how to run ADB Shell DF locally?
i use system tuner pro. esp if you are rooted. gives a great overall outlook on what is going on with the system.
i personally haven't tried any custom rom's yet. and i can tell also my Note starting to feel laggy.
really hoping a 4.4 custom rom comes along. I heard they added IR blaster support in 4.4 and would really love that to be available. really the only functionality holding me back from custom roms atm.
killerskincanoe said:
i use system tuner pro. esp if you are rooted. gives a great overall outlook on what is going on with the system.
i personally haven't tried any custom rom's yet. and i can tell also my Note starting to feel laggy.
really hoping a 4.4 custom rom comes along. I heard they added IR blaster support in 4.4 and would really love that to be available. really the only functionality holding me back from custom roms atm.
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ok.. will try that out.. creepy ass avatar by the way..
How much free ram are you seeing on your nexus 5?
Don't worry about free ram. Android uses it very efficiently. Free ram is wasted ram.
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jd1639 said:
Don't worry about free ram. Android uses it very efficiently. Free ram is wasted ram.
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Well KitKat is supposed to use less memory yet when I had my nexus 4 on 4.3 I had more free ram
izbrian said:
Well KitKat is supposed to use less memory yet when I had my nexus 4 on 4.3 I had more free ram
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Does your N4 have a custom ROM?
abaaaabbbb63 said:
Does your N4 have a custom ROM?
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Don't have it anymore and no when I had it completely stock but was seeing up to 1.5 free ram yet on my nexus 5 it's 1.35-1.41
izbrian said:
Don't have it anymore and no when I had it completely stock but was seeing up to 1.5 free ram yet on my nexus 5 it's 1.35-1.41
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KitKat uses RAM if it's able to. You have 2 GB of RAM. You don't need to worry about it.
KitKat would probably use RAM in a different way if it were installed on a 512MB RAM phone.
Edit: As of now, I have 1.2 GB of RAM free on my N4, after closing all apps, but the system is fast, and battery life is great!
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Don't worry about free ram. Android uses it very efficiently. Free ram is wasted ram.
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Why are people still preaching this nonsense?
This has never been the case on any of my Android phones. The apps and phone starts lagging when a lot of ram is consumed.
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Elisha said:
Why are people still preaching this nonsense?
This has never been the case on any of my Android phones. The apps and phone starts lagging when a lot of ram is consumed.
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Think how much it would lag if you're not using that ram. So why do you want free ram free.
No one answered the question
Elisha said:
Why are people still preaching this nonsense?
This has never been the case on any of my Android phones. The apps and phone starts lagging when a lot of ram is consumed.
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http://www.androidcentral.com/ram-what-it-how-its-used-and-why-you-shouldnt-care
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No one answered the question
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Because it's a silly, pointless question.
In order to answer your question, I would have to answer the following: "What apps do I have installed? How many? Which ones are syncing with what service? How many? How often? Am I sure you REALLY killed them, and they didn't immediately relaunch upon being killed? What system tasks were affected? Are we talking about immediately after a boot? 10minutes? After a kill-all command? When do you want this measurement?" ... etc.
What exactly are you hoping to accomplish and/or discover by polling this community for such information? Do you feel that your Nexus 5 is somehow diminished or the performance is somehow affected by not having as much free RAM available as your Nexus 4?
Depends on how many apps you got installed. Your question makes no sense.
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Because it's a silly, pointless question.
In order to answer your question, I would have to answer the following: "What apps do I have installed? How many? Which ones are syncing with what service? How many? How often? Am I sure you REALLY killed them, and they didn't immediately relaunch upon being killed? What system tasks were affected? Are we talking about immediately after a boot? 10minutes? After a kill-all command? When do you want this measurement?" ... etc.
What exactly are you hoping to accomplish and/or discover by polling this community for such information? Do you feel that your Nexus 5 is somehow diminished or the performance is somehow affected by not having as much free RAM available as your Nexus 4?
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Well guess you're right didn't of think of it like that