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[Q] With ICS OTA will we loose everything?

Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
TiA
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It dosen't matter. Just backup with Titanium Backup and restore when it comes.

ElMango said:
Hi all,
After ICS OTA upgrade, will I have to reconfigure and reinstall all the apps?? Also, what about the media data?
TiA
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You'll want to wait for a rooted version of the OTA anyway. It'll be out hours after the source is released. Then you can just use your favorite backup app to get your stuff back.
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Do we know approximately when the ICS is set to come. Since I got the 3D I haven't really kept up with Nexus news but I'm looking to come back to the flagship.
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Samfirmware stated on twitter two days ago that it was close.
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Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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I'm the same. I've rooted by all the ICS ROM's still have bugs. I'd already have a Galaxy Nexus if they did not delay and delay then have volume bugs! If they released all the drivers from day one, we'd have a million decent custom ROM's...

the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should

I have a question when they said that nexus s should receive ice cream sandwich within " weeks" after galaxy nexus release. Do you guys think the clock has started or are did they mean release in the united states?
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fightingroost12 said:
the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark.
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Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...

Rod3 said:
Yeah, you may want to recall how us Nexus One users were treated with Gingerbread when the NS came out. ICS was probably developed primarily on the GN, so NS development slips on the totem pole. At least you are getting official ICS...
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yea your right, im very happy just to be on gingerbread (anyone with an x10 or intercept will agree with me) and i wouldnt even mind waiting for the update, its mostly the lack of any information from google thats killing me

hamiltus said:
Don't see why it would take Google sooooo long to release the OTA ? I mean, The community has had it built for Weeks. I guess I'm just a bit too impatient and don't really feel like rooting my phone.
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Because unlike the Community, Google has certain standards it must meet before releasing an OTA. I mean no respect towards the community but no company could ever release partially working builds.

fightingroost12 said:
the nexus s is supposed to be an android flagship phone. Its built with vanilla android so its the first and easiest phone to update, yet for weeks now people are walking around with 4.0 on their galaxy nexus and nexus s users are still left in the dark. say what you will about apple but when an update comes out all compatible devices receive the update that day. obviously im not saying every android should get this update in a timely manner, but a phone by google made for this situation certainly should
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The Nexus S will get a ICS update LOOONNNGGGG before any other phone will and ICS was built for the Galaxy Nexus so THAT was the first and easiest to develop for. The Nexus S is next.

I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.

Corvidd said:
I don't really care the Nexus S gets the update before other phones, I just want it asap.
I'd gladly have every compatible phone receive ICS tomorrow as long as I got it on my NS.
And, much as I don't like it; the Apple comparisons are true. Apple do release new OS available for everyone to download on the same day their new device featuring that OS is launched.
People say that it would be ridiculous to expect updates until the GN has been out a while, but why? Google should have made the next update available on the day they announced ICS.
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Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.

Matridom said:
Apple also restricts new features to older phones to encourage people to upgrade. Just look at Siri as a fine example, it's *only* available on the 4s even though it's been proven that it will run fine on the 4. Similar constraints can be found with each model upgrade.
When ICS comes out for the nexus S, it will be fully functional with no neutering of any feature. so how does one "encourage" people to upgrade? you delay the update to crank in some early sales.
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all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.

fightingroost12 said:
all because thats true it doesnt make the other point invalid. When a new iphone comes out, all iphones (and ipod touches mind you) get the update that day.
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Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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Matridom said:
Does the iPod second generation have IOS 5? What about the original iPhone?
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is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?

fightingroost12 said:
is the nexus one getting ICS? how about the G1?
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Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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Matridom said:
Point, but this is due to hardware limitations. Siri for example will run fine on older devices. also if I know the Xda, there will be a ROM available
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of course there will be, there already are roms available now for the g1. the original iphone obviously has the same problem the g1 has, hardware limitations. When 4.0 came out the iphone 3gs was laggy and almost unusable until apple released a second update to fix the mess. But were losing sight of the point, when an OS is released by apple all phones (fine all compatible phones) get it that day. Sure it doesnt have all the features as the newest iphones, and by not all the features i mean ONE feature as in siri, but they get the update at least. What have we received since the galaxy nexus was released? And i honestly dont even care enough to keep talking about it, but when ever people hear about apple they always have to but in with "YEA BUT APPLE SUCKS CAUSE ____" which isnt the point, i was making a comparison.
like i said before all because one statement is true, it doesnt make the other statement false.

4 months since ICS release & Not a single phone updated to ICS

ICS was released on Oct 19th 2011. It is almost 4 months and still not a single phone was officially updated to ICS. The closest one was Nexus S which had an update that was pulled for being too buggy.
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
The wide varity of devices cannot be the reason as the team managing a device don't have to worry about other devices. For example, Galaxy S2 team needs to worry about Galaxy S2 and not other hundreds of devices.
Does upgrading in Android world means buying new phone and not software updaye like in iOS & WP7?

Although In part what you are asking makes sense it is in large part a flawed question and premise. I can not speak to windows mobile as I am not terribly familiar so everything going forward is about android and apple.
Yes we are all waiting to see how much each oem can f up ics with their version of android, whether it is tw or sense or blur etc. ics is a major change in how android handles things unlike ios5 which was in reality a very minor update to the system. And it was delayed by about 5 months from their typical release so when it was officially released it was available to most iOS devices true, but delayed all the same.
The delay for ics is caused by the oems thinking they can improve on it and give their own twist. If it was a vanilla update your premise would be accurate. As to the nexus s although the official release was pulled back there are several quality ports across several devices using it as a base

Though the source code was available previously, the first ICS device (the GSM Galaxy Nexus) was not released until mid-November. As mcord11758 mentioned, ICS is a *huge* updated to the Android system and it takes time to get everything coded to work properly.
I also saw some information last night that the 4.0.4 rollout would resume for Nexus S 4G devices today, so take a deep breath and relax

It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about

What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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mcord11758 said:
I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about
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Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.

cdrice15 said:
What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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Independent devs get to release ROMs with a "sorry if it doesn't work, but tough sh*t" disclaimer. OEMs/Carriers have to be able to support the ROMs they ship.

Also have to remember that The CM based roms here use open source drivers that dont use the hardware to the fullest. While OEMs use closed sourced drivers built for the hardware. Once they get the update they have to wait for new drivers to be built to work with the hardware to the fullest.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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alex2792 said:
Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.
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Wait...are you saying you would rather a quick but flawed update rather than a delayed but more stable one?
Dave
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mistermentality said:
With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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Carrier IQ anyone?

The reason it takes so long is because all the manufacturers have there own UI to make there phones stick out from the others and with major updates like in ICS they have to rewite there UI to work smoothly with ICS.

IamJAX said:
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
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I have worked at Microsoft on Windows Phone 7 and on Windows Mobile. Going back pre WP7, updates generally simply didn't get released for phones. Microsoft is trying to improve that, but the software has to go through modification and testing for carriers. I don't think any version was ready for acceptance in less than four months, ever.
I suspect it's worse in Android-land (where my phones live), because at least Microsoft has big teams for their for-profit product. The major manufacturers also have teams on-site at Microsoft, working to do the customizations. And Microsoft controls the hardware more tightly than Android; for WP7's initial release, there were really only two hardware package options (e.g. screen size, resolution, camera, processor, etc.) So less to modify.
And then Moto adds their new Blur incarnation, HTC adds Sense, and so on, each requiring more changes and testing.
So the comparison between WP7 and ICS is off because of profit-driven teams, hardware diversity and software customization that MS doesn't allow.

Idk but isn't this site to get ICS before any update??? Lol
I'm running ICS in my Samsung Captivate and I can promise you ICS will never come to a Captivate ... but guess what I've got it!!!
I can point and laugh at iOS and WP7 for their limited OS and customize my device
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To be honest I don't even know why people want ICS.
I was one of the unfortunates to get the update and now am desperately trying to downgrade back to stock 2.3.6 OR even better..load Cyanogen Mod on my phone.
The only good thing about the update is it led me to register and start to poke around this forum!
Bugs in ICS on my Nexus S include:
- Phone won't ring even when it should. It will only vibrate.
- Lags heavily and hangs when pulling up and trying to type a text message.
- Have to write text message most times before inputting contact to send to.
- Runs million processes in the background, thus killing my battery life.
When I upgraded it wouldn't let me sync my contacts and erased over half my names in my contact lists. When I turned on sync, it would continue to delete the names I had recently readded.
Since wiping all data from my phone, it works a bit more like it should and is a bit more snappy, but it still sucks. They need to hurry up and re-release ICS in a workable version, or at least let people roll back their phone to previous version like you could in Gingerbread.
Whatsup with naming their OS after generally crappy dessert items? Someobody in their marketing department is a glutton...

i want to up grade to ics... but i want to learn more first from here...
please give me some advice

SASQ!!!!!!
come on la, use your butt and think....
why android take such a long time to release a update.
because android has just tooo many different model....
while apple only got...umm.....1......
and windows.....ummm....less den android....
so think about it.....

maybe one----huawei Honor(U8860)ANDROID 4.0
the second edition of ICS commercial release

no guidelines, no warranty, no quality

Android updates...

Just got a thought about android updates.
And it goes like this:
Google must specify the least requirements/specifications that a phone must hold to run operating system smoothly.
Like Microsoft do,example windows 7 requires minimum1gb ram,2ghz processor or whatever it is.
This will make mobile companies/manufacturers work on providing updates instead of giving lame excuses.
What do you think???

Well,
It would only result in a consumption market (again) in which google put's the requirements a bit higher after each update of the Android software since the cellphone makers are putting faster cpu's and gpu's in there. Goes with everything in our economy btw.

Just because there is powerful hardware does not mean there will be updates.
The biggest culprit is the CARRIER who often refuses to release the update for a few months. This is why the VZW galaxy nexus was such a big flop
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when will get jellybean update for g2

gagdude said:
Just because there is powerful hardware does not mean there will be updates.
The biggest culprit is the CARRIER who often refuses to release the update for a few months. This is why the VZW galaxy nexus was such a big flop
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I know carrier delay in releasing updates but for unlocked devices it will be great.
And also you can flash unlocked version on other locked models...

Even the OEMs wouldn't want to update their older phones Cuz nobody would upgrade their phones to their latest flagships, if they gave out all the updates!
Sent from the zombie world. No they aren't coming yet!

The problem is that after carriers have sold you the phone there is no incentive to provide any more support than they promised you when you signed the contract. It is more profitable for them to just sell you a new phone when your software become outdated.

4.4

now with the source code released for 4.4 and when it says that it the OS can run on lower end devices as well do we have any chances to get 4.4?:victory::angel:

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2505910
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When they say "low end devices" I do not think they are talking about the EVITA. Even though its going on 1.5 years old, there are still a lot of "budget" phones that are newer than EVITA, but with lower specs. Google is actually saying KitKat will work on phone with as little as 512 MB of RAM, and on "wearables" like Android watches.
Supposedly, Google is trying to make this the Android version for the "next billion users" including developing countries that don't have money for high end smartphones. And Google want to get everyone (or as many as possible, anyway) on the same Android version, including those developing countries where many are stuck on Gingerbread.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/31/android-4-4-kitkat-google/
(not a particular fan of Tech Crunch, but the article sums up Google's goals with 4.4 very well)
If you are talking about an "official" 4.4 ROM from HTC (with Sense, etc.) it has less to do with the phones technical capabilities, and more to do with the the companies financial resources and product focus. "Official" 4.4 seems unlikely, although we can always hope.
A 4.4 based custom ROM (either a Sense port from another device, or an AOSP based) for the EVITA is much more likely. All it takes is one (or more) developer(s) willing to put in the time and effort. Although being from unofficial base, its almost sure to have some hardware incompatibilities that may take time to iron out.

redpoint73 said:
When they say "low end devices" I do not think they are talking about the EVITA. Even though its going on 1.5 years old, there are still a lot of "budget" phones that are newer than EVITA, but with lower specs. Google is actually saying KitKat will work on phone with as little as 512 MB of RAM, and on "wearables" like Android watches.
Supposedly, Google is trying to make this the Android version for the "next billion users" including developing countries that don't have money for high end smartphones. And Google want to get everyone (or as many as possible, anyway) on the same Android version, including those developing countries where many are stuck on Gingerbread.
http://techcrunch.com/2013/10/31/android-4-4-kitkat-google/
(not a particular fan of Tech Crunch, but the article sums up Google's goals with 4.4 very well)
If you are talking about an "official" 4.4 ROM from HTC (with Sense, etc.) it has less to do with the phones technical capabilities, and more to do with the the companies financial resources and product focus. "Official" 4.4 seems unlikely, although we can always hope.
A 4.4 based custom ROM (either a Sense port from another device, or an AOSP based) for the EVITA is much more likely. All it takes is one (or more) developer(s) willing to put in the time and effort. Although being from unofficial base, its almost sure to have some hardware incompatibilities that may take time to iron out.
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its really good to know that we may be getting KITKAT in some way or the another!
btw a stupid question why is it that even the old nexus devices get ports so soon and often,i know its meant to be a developers phone but still!

You kind of answered your own question.. Google designs android around the nexus devices for the most part. After an update is released by Google, HTC, Samsung, etc. Need to optimize for their own devices which takes time and money and then after that, carriers need to add their bloat ware and deploy ota. Takes time bro.
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exad said:
You kind of answered your own question.. Google designs android around the nexus devices for the most part. After an update is released by Google, HTC, Samsung, etc. Need to optimize for their own devices which takes time and money and then after that, carriers need to add their bloat ware and deploy ota. Takes time bro.
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quite silly of me
long back i had heard this news of cyanogen mod becoming an independent OS platform,i guess they have collaborated with Oppo.
wish if they had collaborated with HTC,then probably we could have got everything really soon!
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[Q] why some phones do not receive android updates

each day we can read about a new Android update 4.3.3 , 4.4 etc.
1) I would like to understand where these updates are coming from, I had supposed from "google", but I read often they are coming from the "carrier"
2) I have 3 different android phones , on the first when I look for updates it tells me that is ok, but it is a 4.0.2 version rooted and never updated, the second has no option to check for updates and the third has 4.2.1 without any option. I had expected that once google distributes a new version, in the same way that an app is updated also the operating system updates, as with windows xp etc.
3) reading in internet, they tell me to force the update deleting a framework file, or a complicated flashing of a new rom, it sounds illogical, it would be the same if microsoft would tell me to download a new OS instead of an update
4) Branded phones have no problems, I had expected that the brand is Android and not HTC, Samsung etc.
please explain me how the updating logic works
thanks-renato

The android devices are manufactured by companies like Samsung, HTC etc. But the os source code is provided for free by Google. Manufacturers and carriers can modify the source code and build their own ROM.Google provides source code for every android version like 2.2,2.3,3.2,4.0 etc.if the carrier is interested in providing the update to specific device that have minimum ram to run the update,they will provide the update, other wise they won't.though you can root and install custom ROMs from internet for your device with latest versions like 4.2.2 and 4.3.
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OEMs and carriers.
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OEMs and carriers.

Reasons
Some phones don' recieve updates for two reasons
1.manufacturer not interested to give so
2.hardware incompatibilities

If you want an up to date android stick to google nexus. its the reference platform of googles android development.
As said above, all other OEMs carrier will use the source of google development to create their own roms. The update.policy is up to them not to google.

givemeaname said:
If you want an up to date android stick to google nexus. its the reference platform of googles android development.
As said above, all other OEMs carrier will use the source of google development to create their own roms. The update.policy is up to them not to google.
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Not all nexus will receive every update after 2 years you have to buy the new nexus already, They will be the first one to get the newest android update.

Shouldn't manufacturers give vanilla version on every phone
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nikhildroid said:
Shouldn't manufacturers give vanilla version on every phone
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That makes them no different from Google. The OEM's adds their own UI and features to stand out from other manufacturers. And these are the main reasons for slow update for their devices. If it was pure vanilla, the updates would've been much faster.

coolsandie said:
That makes them no different from Google. The OEM's adds their own UI and features to stand out from other manufacturers. And these are the main reasons for slow update for their devices. If it was pure vanilla, the updates would've been much faster.
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Yep thats (unfortunately) true.

Low end devices will suarly not get any update or upgrades.
Because as the brand goes on releasing the devices they concentrate on latest and drvices which has much customer users....
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