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Looking for People who can help me to set up a petition to Google and ....

.... all manufacturers of Android mobiles and tablets.
I'm not longer agree with the update policy of Google and the manufacturers. I've bought a device and a half a year later it is old and rusty. The manufacturers often needs over one year to update their devices to the newest version of Android. Or they say your device is to old, please buy a newer one.
You see my english is very bad!!!
That's the reason why I need the help of german speaking peopel with good english knowledges or from english speaking people with good german knowledges. To help me translate it in a proper and rightful english
It is not my intention to say android is bad. But we all have payed a lot of money to get an android device. And market is full of applications and Games. But wich one is compatible with our devices. Even the developers have the same problem. They have a lot of work to do, that their products reach a minimum of possible Android users.
Feel free to PM me or leave your statement here.

There are alot more involved. Google already stated that it would support devices for 18 months. But then you have the OEM who make changes to it and then it goes to the carriers who also make changes to it.
With the way hardware is updating there is no way to say that an OS built for a dual or quadcore is gonna work on a single core system. Once the hardware stabilizes then it may be an option but until then asking them to support a phone over a year old is just not gonna happen.

In regard to your question about which market apps are compatible for your android device the market app hides apps you might want but that won't work on your system though occasionally one slips through.
Dave
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Nexus or Custom Roms
Is the only way to make sure you always get the latest software.

I think we are too demanding. We bought the phone once, then we want it to be always updated to the latest android without paying more.
Hey I think it is already very generous that they provide updates to 2.3.5, 2.3.6. I think they only required to provide updates to fix bugs.
Why we demand more just because its is android? do we ever demand updates from windows xp to vista or to 7, win mobile to 7, or from ios 4 to 5?
Do we really needs that non bug fix updates?
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dragon135 said:
I think we are too demanding. We bought the phone once, then we want it to be always updated to the latest android without paying more.
Hey I think it is already very generous that they provide updates to 2.3.5, 2.3.6. I think they only required to provide updates to fix bugs.
Why we demand more just because its is android? do we ever demand updates from windows xp to vista or to 7, win mobile to 7, or from ios 4 to 5?
Do we really needs that non bug fix updates?
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Very good point. Once the updates slow down to once a year we wont have this issue

bad time for evo 4g owners our updates are by dev only.

4 months since ICS release & Not a single phone updated to ICS

ICS was released on Oct 19th 2011. It is almost 4 months and still not a single phone was officially updated to ICS. The closest one was Nexus S which had an update that was pulled for being too buggy.
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
The wide varity of devices cannot be the reason as the team managing a device don't have to worry about other devices. For example, Galaxy S2 team needs to worry about Galaxy S2 and not other hundreds of devices.
Does upgrading in Android world means buying new phone and not software updaye like in iOS & WP7?

Although In part what you are asking makes sense it is in large part a flawed question and premise. I can not speak to windows mobile as I am not terribly familiar so everything going forward is about android and apple.
Yes we are all waiting to see how much each oem can f up ics with their version of android, whether it is tw or sense or blur etc. ics is a major change in how android handles things unlike ios5 which was in reality a very minor update to the system. And it was delayed by about 5 months from their typical release so when it was officially released it was available to most iOS devices true, but delayed all the same.
The delay for ics is caused by the oems thinking they can improve on it and give their own twist. If it was a vanilla update your premise would be accurate. As to the nexus s although the official release was pulled back there are several quality ports across several devices using it as a base

Though the source code was available previously, the first ICS device (the GSM Galaxy Nexus) was not released until mid-November. As mcord11758 mentioned, ICS is a *huge* updated to the Android system and it takes time to get everything coded to work properly.
I also saw some information last night that the 4.0.4 rollout would resume for Nexus S 4G devices today, so take a deep breath and relax

It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about

What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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mcord11758 said:
I have an iOS device. All ios5 did was eat my battery faster and do a weak job of copying androids notifications. Not sure what your bragging about
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Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.

cdrice15 said:
What I have always found funny is why independent devs can get roms out quicker. There was recent interview with one of Motorola's top execs that said the reason for delays was all the different hardware used in all the different phones. I am running jokers çm9 ics on my motorola electrify. An independent dev got it out before motorola with all their resources. They could get updates out a lot quicker if they so chose to.
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Independent devs get to release ROMs with a "sorry if it doesn't work, but tough sh*t" disclaimer. OEMs/Carriers have to be able to support the ROMs they ship.

Also have to remember that The CM based roms here use open source drivers that dont use the hardware to the fullest. While OEMs use closed sourced drivers built for the hardware. Once they get the update they have to wait for new drivers to be built to work with the hardware to the fullest.

alex2792 said:
It's all that freedom man! It takes time to add bloatware,spyware and hideous UI "enhancements" you know.
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With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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alex2792 said:
Well, at least you didn't have to wait 6-12 months to actually be able to update your device.
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Wait...are you saying you would rather a quick but flawed update rather than a delayed but more stable one?
Dave
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mistermentality said:
With each post I'm more convinced your an apple employee but I'll bite and ask what spyware you refer to.
Dave
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Carrier IQ anyone?

The reason it takes so long is because all the manufacturers have there own UI to make there phones stick out from the others and with major updates like in ICS they have to rewite there UI to work smoothly with ICS.

IamJAX said:
Why is it that android phones are so slow to update while WP7 & iOS have all their devices updated in days after a new update is out.
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I have worked at Microsoft on Windows Phone 7 and on Windows Mobile. Going back pre WP7, updates generally simply didn't get released for phones. Microsoft is trying to improve that, but the software has to go through modification and testing for carriers. I don't think any version was ready for acceptance in less than four months, ever.
I suspect it's worse in Android-land (where my phones live), because at least Microsoft has big teams for their for-profit product. The major manufacturers also have teams on-site at Microsoft, working to do the customizations. And Microsoft controls the hardware more tightly than Android; for WP7's initial release, there were really only two hardware package options (e.g. screen size, resolution, camera, processor, etc.) So less to modify.
And then Moto adds their new Blur incarnation, HTC adds Sense, and so on, each requiring more changes and testing.
So the comparison between WP7 and ICS is off because of profit-driven teams, hardware diversity and software customization that MS doesn't allow.

Idk but isn't this site to get ICS before any update??? Lol
I'm running ICS in my Samsung Captivate and I can promise you ICS will never come to a Captivate ... but guess what I've got it!!!
I can point and laugh at iOS and WP7 for their limited OS and customize my device
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To be honest I don't even know why people want ICS.
I was one of the unfortunates to get the update and now am desperately trying to downgrade back to stock 2.3.6 OR even better..load Cyanogen Mod on my phone.
The only good thing about the update is it led me to register and start to poke around this forum!
Bugs in ICS on my Nexus S include:
- Phone won't ring even when it should. It will only vibrate.
- Lags heavily and hangs when pulling up and trying to type a text message.
- Have to write text message most times before inputting contact to send to.
- Runs million processes in the background, thus killing my battery life.
When I upgraded it wouldn't let me sync my contacts and erased over half my names in my contact lists. When I turned on sync, it would continue to delete the names I had recently readded.
Since wiping all data from my phone, it works a bit more like it should and is a bit more snappy, but it still sucks. They need to hurry up and re-release ICS in a workable version, or at least let people roll back their phone to previous version like you could in Gingerbread.
Whatsup with naming their OS after generally crappy dessert items? Someobody in their marketing department is a glutton...

i want to up grade to ics... but i want to learn more first from here...
please give me some advice

SASQ!!!!!!
come on la, use your butt and think....
why android take such a long time to release a update.
because android has just tooo many different model....
while apple only got...umm.....1......
and windows.....ummm....less den android....
so think about it.....

maybe one----huawei Honor(U8860)ANDROID 4.0
the second edition of ICS commercial release

no guidelines, no warranty, no quality

What is andrid fragmentation

Over the last few weeks almost every artile I have viewed about android have mentioned fragmentation can someone please explain to me what this is and how it affects gingerbread?
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It means some devices run 2.2 others run 2.3
Carriers putting on skins ect
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So like honeybread?
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asoep1 said:
So like honeybread?
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There is no android version called honeybread but you might be thinking of the version for tablets which is called honeycomb.
Fragmentation means that there are several versions of android being used rather than just one or two.
All operating systems are fragmented but some more than others. For example a number of iphone users are not using ios5 just as a lot of android users are not using ice cream sandwich.
Dave
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From what I have been reading, it mostly refers to the fact that the all Android versions for phones have, over time, taken slightly different directions as far as the UI, development, tools, etc from Honeycomb, the version dedicated to tablets. This in turn has created increasing consistency/incompatibility issues with applications since even slight differences in the OS would (in many cases) require different versions of the same application. This, again translates into unnecessary additional costs, and so ICS has been developing as the common ground for any future software development, be it phone or tablet.

@nacho thnx and other dude I know honeybread is not a version its when you have gingerbread on something but have honey comb icons
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asoep1 said:
Over the last few weeks almost every artile I have viewed about android have mentioned fragmentation can someone please explain to me what this is and how it affects gingerbread?
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It means that not all Android devices are up to date, and they're all running slightly different software versions and manufacturer overlays.
For example there are tons of phones with Android 2.3 (Gingerbread), some with 2.2 (Froyo), and a few still on 2.1(Eclair) or 1.6 (Cupcake). The latest Galaxy Nexus has 4.0 (Ice Cream Sandwich) and most tablets are still running 3.2 (Honeycomb).
Of the phones on 2.3, all of these phones have slightly different versions of 2.3, with HTC Sense, Samsung Touchwiz, etc. that make these all look and act differently. People complain because there are no consistent UI paradigms across different devices. If you pick up an HTC phone then a Samsung phone they look completely different.
So right now, only ~1% of Android devices are running the latest software (even though ICS is months old), consisting of devices like the Galaxy Nexus and Transformer Prime pretty much. Contrast that with iOS, where probably 90% of devices have the latest version (save for iPhone 2G and 3G, which got kicked off the update path), and when the new version is available, all devices get it at the same time. Windows Phone is similar, in which when there is an OTA, pretty much all manufacturers and carriers push the update, and about 85% are running WP7.5 (latest version).
If you want an editorial opinion, I think Google needs to learn from how Apple and Microsoft are doing their updates and controlling their OS. Fragmentation is bad for the ecosystem, bad for users, and bad for Google. They need to start putting the screws to manufacturers to stop putting skins on Android (for example withhold GAPPS from those who skin), and start hitting the carriers to push OTAs in a timely matter.

martonikaj said:
If you want an editorial opinion, I think Google needs to learn from how Apple and Microsoft are doing their updates and controlling their OS. Fragmentation is bad for the ecosystem, bad for users, and bad for Google. They need to start putting the screws to manufacturers to stop putting skins on Android (for example withhold GAPPS from those who skin), and start hitting the carriers to push OTAs in a timely matter.
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You got that right. The reason the Samsung Galaxy S series isn't getting an official ICS is because they haven't figured out a way to cram Touchwiz into it. In their view, that's the deal breaker.
On the plus side, it's pushed people like me to XDA. I was quite content with the official Gingerbread but now I wonder why I waited so long before jumping into custom ROMs.

Wakamatsu said:
You got that right. The reason the Samsung Galaxy S series isn't getting an official ICS is because they haven't figured out a way to cram Touchwiz into it. In their view, that's the deal breaker.
On the plus side, it's pushed people like me to XDA. I was quite content with the official Gingerbread but now I wonder why I waited so long before jumping into custom ROMs.
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But we are getting the.value pack instead
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A lot of Android phones aren't getting updates after a few months of being released. This causes major fragmentation. iPhones have fragmentation too, as the older models can't run iOS 4.3 and above.

iJchen said:
A lot of Android phones aren't getting updates after a few months of being released. This causes major fragmentation. iPhones have fragmentation too, as the older models can't run iOS 4.3 and above.
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Yes very true, but only very old models. Even the 3GS got iOS 5, and that is coming up on 3 years old. And the 2G and 3G got updates for about as long as well.

JB update (RELEASE)

Someone knows when is the release ofJB firmware for the hox att
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November 2013

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November 2013
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AT&T specifically never promised anything. That was when it was supposed to be delivered to one of the carriers. How did you post that when it's now December and there isn't anything yet is puzzling.

NJGSII said:
AT&T specifically never promised anything. That was when it was supposed to be delivered to one of the carriers. How did you post that when it's now December and there isn't anything yet is puzzling.
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Read the year again

Lol I swear this is like the 10th thread on this topic
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00-00-0000
Nobody knows this lol good god people its releases when you're able to download it
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You know not the hour nor the day.

Actually I believe it may be. I have an update waiting in que & have heard from two sources, one that works for the big H, & heard that the JB rom is starting to roll out. I have not had time yet this morning to DL & pull the update, but I believe it just started rolling out this morning.
I plan on taking a look at the OTA that I have in que over lunch & will report back.

Updates on Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) and Frequently Asked Questions
We're looking forward to providing our HTC One X and HTC One S customers with Android 4.1 (Jelly Bean) along with our latest version of HTC Sense. As with any software upgrade, we work closely with our carrier partners to ensure we deliver the best experience possible on our devices.
After internal testing, we test the software on live networks in order to confirm the experience matches our expectations, and carrier expectations, for performance, connectivity and platform stability. While testing takes time, we're working quickly with our carrier partners to rollout these updates. We'll provide information on availability once the software is ready for release.
When will additional devices receive Android 4.1?
In addition to the HTC One X and HTC One S, we are actively reviewing our product portfolio to identify candidates to receive Jelly Bean. Our goal is to prioritize review for devices launched in 2012 with our numerous carrier partners across multiple regions and then consider our ability to provide updates to products from 2011.
What is the overall timeline of Android 4.1 updates?
There are many aspects to the software development process that make it difficult for us to give specifics on upgrade timing. As a global company, we work with a number of carrier partners in various regions to ensure a great user experience with every upgrade. Each region and carrier partner has unique requirements that necessitate customized testing. Only after HTC and its partners have successfully completed the final testing will the software be released.
What devices will not get Android 4.1?
We work hard to ensure each of our products has the optimal user experience and therefore some products will remain at their current version of Android. In general, devices with 512MB RAM or less will not be upgraded to Android 4.1. At present, these devices include the HTC One V and the HTC Desire C. As we identify other devices that will not be upgraded, we'll provide updated information.
It should be noted that upgrades are not the same thing as ongoing support. Devices not being upgraded to Android 4.1 will still get software improvements, security fixes, and technical support.
What about a development version of Android 4.1?
For our developer community, we plan to make generic development ROMs of Jelly Bean available for both the HTC One X and HTC One S. As soon as the ROMs are ready, they will be posted to our HTCdev site (www.htcdev.com). We strongly recommend customers take the time to understand the limitations of the development software along with the terms and conditions on the site before downloading to their device.
My phone hasn't gotten the Android 4.1 update, while others with the same device have. Why?
Our devices are available on a wide variety of carriers and across many countries, due to localization, testing, and partner approvals, updates do not roll out to all devices with the same name at the same time.
Even once a software update begins to roll out from HTC or a carrier partner, the update can take up to 45 days from the initial push to reach each person with that device on a given network.
If your phone has not received the update after the 45-day period, navigate to Settings > About > Software Updates to have your device manually check for updates. If your device still does not show an update, please contact customer support
Why does it take so long to release an update?
Our goal is to make sure that an upgrade provides an improved customer experience and that means a high standard of quality for hardware compatibility, adapting device or carrier specific customizations, testing by HTC and partners, addressing device hardware constraints, and many other factors.
What version of HTC Sense will come with the Android 4.1 update?
The upgrade to Android 4.1 will include HTC Sense 4+.

Its coming out on 12-21-2012. Too bad we won't be able to update...
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ethantarheels123 said:
Its coming out on 12-21-2012. Too bad we won't be able to update...
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Link?

iElvis said:
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He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..

WhatTheAndroid? said:
He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..
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Doh. I deserve that, I think. lol

iElvis said:
Doh. I deserve that, I think. lol
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Ya, I had to read it twice to actually get it. The part when he said "to bad we wont be able to update ", and then i linked December 21 2012 together to the date Mayans predicted something would happen. At first it got took out of proportion to the world ending but they proved that mayan calendar was not the same as ours or something. But yeah you got trolled by ethantarheels123 hehe.

WhatTheAndroid? said:
He Was Trolling, He is a idiot. December 21,2012( Mayan Calendar) Worlds Going to end bullcrap.Scientists actually proved it was the Start of something else..solstice or something..
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Haven't looked too far into it cause I don't care.. but one of my friends said it could possibly be the start of a new age.
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There is an "everything jelly bean discussion" thread in the General lounge that's stuck. Please use that.

What's the point in 4.4 when most phones aren't even on 4.3 yet?

This has always puzzled me since I switched over to Android 5 months ago. I noticed that most carriers don't push the latest update for months to come, if ever in some cases. For example, my SGS4 ATT hasn't been officially updated to 4.3 yet, but 4.4 is being released soon. Its not like as soon as 4.4 is released, everyone can update to it, like iOS. My question is, why is this? What's the point in Android releasing another major update when the majority of non-rooted phones aren't even running their latest update?
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It's not googles fault the oems can't keep up. Google even gave them the tools they needed to port software to newer versions of Android. If google took longer to release, that's longer oems would take
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I think a big part of it is that Google knows that the people with the know-how will go get 4.4 themselves and start testing/coming up with fixes for bugs and such. Yes, we all do it for advanced features/rooting, but at the same time Google can go look at bug fixes online just like the rest of us can

bubblebuddyi said:
This has always puzzled me since I switched over to Android 5 months ago. I noticed that most carriers don't push the latest update for months to come, if ever in some cases. For example, my SGS4 ATT hasn't been officially updated to 4.3 yet, but 4.4 is being released soon. Its not like as soon as 4.4 is released, everyone can update to it, like iOS. My question is, why is this? What's the point in Android releasing another major update when the majority of non-rooted phones aren't even running their latest update?
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Simple, most updates are minor and bit by bit remove the "Open" source features of AOSP.
Next android version will include the ability to have custom Messenger app that can recieve SMS. Google will probably replace it with a propietary version that integrates with g+ and other services and end up not support AOSP version. Its only natural because propietary software earns alot more money and google can earn money both from ads and its services.
Yes, android as we know it is being left to die by google.
Also, the thing others said here are correct, OEMs do not have the interest to update or support a device for more than one year, thats their cycle. This adds to android version fragmentation.
Its the same reason there are over 30% of devices still using gingerbread 2.3
Android devices are usually advertised heavily, distributed, supported for 1 year, and abandoned. This goes mostly for midrange devices. Flagships might get special treatment-
Low end devices are never updated to rarely if never updated to new versions. Of course, this policy might differ based on OEM.
LG uisually releases 1 update and thats it. Samsung does 2-3 updates for higher end devices. Dunno about HTC or Sony, but they should be the same.

it may be availble for all device
as far as i know google is planing to bring all android phones under one roof with same os.. they had worked on pusing updates through playstore .. so we may see soon that we are getting our os upgrades directly from playstore

Pipo
Keep an close eye on official release& waiting!

Thank goodness for developers who take the updates and then make far better roms than the carriers could ever do.. These updates are more for the artists that make the art that is the rom, or am I wrong?
M919 running Virgin GP ed. ROM

I think for the moment the answer is you simply don't need 4.4.
If you have 4.1 and up your phone will support all the new apps coming with 4.4, in fact they're already available...
We won't see universal Play Store upgrading for the foreseeable future, because remember, Google wouldn't want the hassle of handling hardware support for every single phone out there, they have enough on their plate with their Nexus line.
The road taken, if you will, probably is for the best, where Google develop their services independently of the platform as much as possible.
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