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Hello community,
I have an Atrix, and it is quite old now... I want a larger screen
Planning to get a Sensation to replace it, and i have some questions to ask about it:
1. How is the battery life?
Would it get very hot while using?
2. How is the build quality? ie. any chance to be easily broken?
I havd my Atrix repaired several times because of digitizer.
3. Are the current ICS roms stable enough?
And, does unlocking bootloader/flashing a custom rom easy?
How about gaming?
4. Sensation's spec better than Atrix or not?
I mean, for normal web or apps using, 768MB ram is enough?
Thanks for any advices.
tennyleaz said:
Hello community,
I have an Atrix, and it is quite old now... I want a larger screen
Planning to get a Sensation to replace it, and i have some questions to ask about it:
1. How is the battery life?
Would it get very hot while using?
2. How is the build quality? ie. any chance to be easily broken?
I havd my Atrix repaired several times because of digitizer.
3. Are the current ICS roms stable enough?
And, does unlocking bootloader/flashing a custom rom easy?
How about gaming?
4. Sensation's spec better than Atrix or not?
I mean, for normal web or apps using, 768MB ram is enough?
Thanks for any advices.
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Ok so not biased answer it worth it but if you can expand your budget little bit more might aswell get a galaxy nexus however for your question :
#1 : battery life is pure crap on stock battery unless you get an anker otherwise you can get more then 1-2 hours screen on time..
It depends how you use your phone if you game alot alot ot heats up easily but i do normal use sometimes it gets hot but overall it isn't that bad..
#2 : build quality is quite good feels good in the hand it isnt easily breakable but keep in mind if you drop your sensation there is always a chance of cracking the screen...
#3 : yes ics roms are really stable most of the have 90% of the things working there is some small issues such as on aosp roms or cm9 wiping sd card will hard brick your phone otherwise things like camera and so on works...
i cant really answer to this one as my phone was already s-off unlocked bootloader but from the forums it seems quite hard...
Gaming is good if you'd ask me but it still lags a little bit on gta 3
#4 : yes specs are better and ram is plenty enough on sense rom i always have 250mb free and on aosp roms about 340mb free..
But as i said having a anker is a must if your an moderate user !
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
tennyleaz said:
Hello community,
I have an Atrix, and it is quite old now... I want a larger screen
Planning to get a Sensation to replace it, and i have some questions to ask about it:
1. How is the battery life?
Would it get very hot while using?
2. How is the build quality? ie. any chance to be easily broken?
I havd my Atrix repaired several times because of digitizer.
3. Are the current ICS roms stable enough?
And, does unlocking bootloader/flashing a custom rom easy?
How about gaming?
4. Sensation's spec better than Atrix or not?
I mean, for normal web or apps using, 768MB ram is enough?
Thanks for any advices.
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1. decent/average.. and yea it gets hot.. depends on your kernel setup too
2. there are several hardware defects that affect random people. digitizer, deathgrip, low speaker quality, etc.. mines been fine so i cant really add much to this. pretty solid build though, sort of typical of HTC
3. 90-99.9% stable, still a few things here and there.. not necessarily to do with our phone but with ICS in general. VERY easy to unlock and root and get s-off.. but ive been doing this to htc phones for years so i guess experience counts. gaming is as it should be. some games might not work with certain sense 4.0 or other ICS roms for some. everything works for me though
4. yes. especially if you decide to do the CM/MIUI/AOSP/AOKP route (aka sense-less, lol) youll have more than enough free memory
shahkam said:
#3 : yes ics roms are really stable most of the have 90% of the things working there is some small issues such as on aosp roms or cm9 wiping sd card will hard brick your phone otherwise things like camera and so on works...
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The bug about it reformatting the NAND and not the SD card has been fixed and is no longer present in the current ASOP or AOKP builds, but to be safe I recommend only using AOSP or AOKP builds from April to current. But the rest of the info you gave is pretty spot on,
Also the current method of S-off for Hboot versions 1.21.0000 and up is Juopunutbear S-off is a little tricky because you have to use the wire trick. But if you follow the guides that are in this forum you should not have to much trouble.
T-Macgnolia said:
The bug about it reformatting the NAND and not the SD card has been fixed and is no longer present in the current ASOP or AOKP builds, but to be safe I recommend only using AOSP or AOKP builds from April to current. But the rest of the info you gave is pretty spot on,
Also the current method of S-off for Hboot versions 1.21.0000 and up is Juopunutbear S-off is a little tricky because you have to use the wire trick. But if you follow the guides that are in this forum you should not have to much trouble.
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Yeah forgot that vorbeth fixed it in his cm9 build sorry so now what we are close to like a 95% working ice cream sandwich rom?
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
Ok, thanks for informations.
A Sensation in Taiwan now is priced about 280~300USD, just fit my budget.
I'm reading the s-off guide... somewhat complicated than motorola devices, but I think I can make it.
How about the battery life on ICS roms vs. GB roms?
I have a Htc Senseation and ive had heaps of phones, battery life for me..is okish with screen brightness lowered but i would like to get a anker battery,
The ICS Roms are really Good for me i love the Team PKMN with the little tweaks makes it very more..my own
Ive only had about 3 issues, 1 Boot looping..and that was due to my own fault.
2 a Camera issue with a rom but that was due to my own error
3 a couple of random shutdowns from something but again..my own fault.
Basically i have Setcpu , System Tuner , And cputuner running
im 18 and i was able to root it so if you have any experience rooting..you should had NO issues, just post and ask around most people are very helpful to guide you with a how to So Far my fav phone.
tennyleaz said:
Ok, thanks for informations.
A Sensation in Taiwan now is priced about 280~300USD, just fit my budget.
I'm reading the s-off guide... somewhat complicated than motorola devices, but I think I can make it.
How about the battery life on ICS roms vs. GB roms?
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On stock GB & battery I was getting 12hrs life with only 1 or 2hr screen time, with ICS (VI ROM) and Anker battery I get between 1 and 2 days life and up to 9hrs screen time.
Everyone's usage is different but there's nothing wrong with the hardware.
The only limitation is the custom ROM scene, most developers bypassed or moved on from the Sensation. Custom ROMs are miles better than stock, but development is pretty static now.
Based on my personal experience, I will not buy a HTC phone again. This is a shame considering I have the Desire as well.
I have been plagued by the following problems:
death grip ( i know most phones experience this at some point, but this is no excuse )
missed calls - even with a full signal strength, my phone would not even ring
reboots at random intervals
HTC do make good phones, but apparently the One X on the Vodafone UK network is also plagued by signal loss.
I love my sensation!
Yes its worth getting! battery life can be worked with I got a long lasting battery it makes a huge difference! Rooting can be difficult depending on your h boot version but I promise its well worth it and very do able. Just follow the guide to s off and rooting. You will do fine. Ice Never had problems with my device and I flash a lot. Mine has proven sturdy and solid. I have no complaints. I really enjoy everything about my device! Ics custom roms have proven to be more stable than stock roms! ice never got a reboot on a custom ROM and ice tried several, even sense 4. I can honestly say I'm still enjoying my device! Thanks to the developers here at xda. If your rooted you make your device rudely your own. if you don't like something just change it. the customization is wonderful! You can create a device thats truely yours with the help of rooting, roms, kernels, and mods! Its always fresh never boreing! I think you will be completely happy. I know I am! Your not stuck with something you don't like because you change and modify it to what you want. I don't understand how anyone can complain about that! You have the ability to change it on the deepest levels. My advice is to try many roms until you find what suits you! Then you can change kernels and mods and really customize your device. Warning its highly addictive lol. bottom line IM still happy after a year. I think you will be also. I must say rooting is a must! Also s off. Then you will be on your way to making your device custom AND TRUELY your own creation! Enjoy every step of the way! I think you will love it! I know I do. Best of luck and have fun!
Sent from my Sensation using xda premium
boomboomer said:
On stock GB & battery I was getting 12hrs life with only 1 or 2hr screen time, with ICS (VI ROM) and Anker battery I get between 1 and 2 days life and up to 9hrs screen time.
Everyone's usage is different but there's nothing wrong with the hardware.
The only limitation is the custom ROM scene, most developers bypassed or moved on from the Sensation. Custom ROMs are miles better than stock, but development is pretty static now.
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Your not getting 9h screen on time no matter what post some pics! I the sgs3 which has 2100mah cannot achieve that...
By the way add like 40$ more and you can get the galaxy nexus off the market place here on xda really at that price it doesn't worth it...
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
tennyleaz said:
And, does unlocking bootloader/flashing a custom rom easy?
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Just to chip in here, I'm a complete noob at this stuff but a few days ago I just followed this guide and went from stock ICS to rooted with a custom ROM in only a few hours, and much of that was spent waiting for files to download. I highly recommend you follow it, and if you do, modify step 4b a little bit. Everything Superwipe does can be done by a 4EXT wipe, so replace step 4b with:
Download the custom ROM you want, you don't need Superwipe
Place the zip on your sd card
Reboot into recovery
Perform a full wipe ("wipe | format" --> "format all partitions (except sd card)")
Enable smartflash ("tools" --> "enable 4EXT SmartFlash")
Flash the new ROM ("install from sd card" --> "choose zip from sd card" --> select zip)
And once you're rooted you can repeat this process as many times as you want each time you want to try out a new ROM
HTC sensation is worth every penny. I am inloved with this phone. I have been using one since January. I rooted it and installed a custom ROM on it. The phone fits perfectly with my needs. It is fast enough, nice design, good material quality so, yeah, I reccomend it.
Now, is it possible for me to downgrade 4est recovery from v2.... to v.1 and stuff RC?
The damn speaker is so awesome, I've made a conscious decision not to buy a HTC phone again. Galaxy s 3 or the eagerly awaited Google nexus with jelly bean should be a wise choice.
Sent from my HTC Sensation using xda app-developers app
What do you guys think about the dude claiming 9hrs of screen on time ?
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
I would suggest a Nexus instead. Google has decreased $50 off the original price, so that's $350 for an unlocked phone, with superior specs than the Sensation, for pretty much a similar price and priority OTA updates from Google. It'll be getting JB anything now.
ungraph said:
I would suggest a Nexus instead. Google has decreased $50 off the original price, so that's $350 for an unlocked phone, with superior specs than the Sensation, for pretty much a similar price and priority OTA updates from Google. It'll be getting JB anything now.
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+infinite
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
ungraph said:
I would suggest a Nexus instead. Google has decreased $50 off the original price, so that's $350 for an unlocked phone, with superior specs than the Sensation, for pretty much a similar price and priority OTA updates from Google. It'll be getting JB anything now.
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"superior specs than the sensation" LOL
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=3875
the slight ram increase is not worth anything, the typical end user will find no difference with the CPU and GPU differences, and not many people even care to use the front facing camera or require HD quality..
other than that, its a downgrade to get the nexus.. its not like we wont get a JB version ROM lol devs are always hard at work
also... sense > any other UI including stock
DonDizzurp said:
"superior specs than the sensation" LOL
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=3875
the slight ram increase is not worth anything, the typical end user will find no difference with the CPU and GPU differences, and not many people even care to use the front facing camera or require HD quality..
other than that, its a downgrade to get the nexus.. its not like we wont get a JB version ROM lol devs are always hard at work
also... sense > any other UI including stock
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Hows that super gorgeous screen a downgrade ? And rom developement is crazy aswell + really light device which suits me better personally..
Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
DonDizzurp said:
"superior specs than the sensation" LOL
http://www.gsmarena.com/compare.php3?idPhone1=4219&idPhone2=3875
the slight ram increase is not worth anything, the typical end user will find no difference with the CPU and GPU differences, and not many people even care to use the front facing camera or require HD quality..
other than that, its a downgrade to get the nexus.. its not like we wont get a JB version ROM lol devs are always hard at work
also... sense > any other UI including stock
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Sent From My Sexy Sensation.
since there is pretty much only 1 stable rom on here, was is it worth unlocking to use it? would you suggest unlocking to use it?
lets here it.... i see the log for zeus but im just not sure if its worth it yet.
vegandroid said:
since there is pretty much only 1 stable rom on here, was is it worth unlocking to use it? would you suggest unlocking to use it?
lets here it.... i see the log for zeus but im just not sure if its worth it yet.
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Personally, I'm waiting on Jelly Bean before i unlock. Not worried about warranty since i have best buy protection plan.
I too will wait for JB before i unlock.
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I too will wait for JB before i unlock.
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+1 when I get mine
sounds like what ive been doing. i think im going to wait before i unlock as well.
why not unlock now? only take few seconds, then try out Zeus' Rom and use it as a reference (best rom). Later when you got the JB, you can compare to this rom to see if JB indeed faster or better? we maybe surprising.
buhohitr said:
why not unlock now? only take few seconds, then try out Zeus' Rom and use it as a reference (best rom). Later when you got the JB, you can compare to this rom to see if JB indeed faster or better? we maybe surprising.
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+1 to this. I too thought about waiting for the JB Rom to unlock then thought the following:
1. While the OTA for JB will only work if you have not unlocked, I have never had a device (phone or tablet) where the latest update wasn't made available by the dev community pretty darn fast for people that had done things that turned off OTA. And by fast I mean usually before the OTA was even available for devices in my area.
2. Moving now to Zeus gives me more benchmarks by which to measure the JB ROM, which also is not a bad thing
3. I know I am going to unlock anyway, so why pretend I am not, or set myself artificial barriers
I had a Samsung gs2 and now a gs3. I always put on them custom roms without bricks and I'd buy a tablet that can give me the same freedom in changing roms, kernels and recovery without bricking. But here in this forum I read some threads about bricks and dead tablets so I'm thinking about buying this tablet or a Samsung tab, also If no one of them have fullhd display
I'm too scared about putting custom roms because I don't want a €500 heavy paper..
mouse100 said:
I had a Samsung gs2 and now a gs3. I always put on them custom roms without bricks and I'd buy a tablet that can give me the same freedom in changing roms, kernels and recovery without bricking. But here in this forum I read some threads about bricks and dead tablets so I'm thinking about buying this tablet or a Samsung tab, also If no one of them have fullhd display
I'm too scared about putting custom roms because I don't want a €500 heavy paper..
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Yes, I agree with you, but fear not with Zeus rom. It's very close to STOCK with performance tweak/battery life saver, he tried to keep it as close as stock as possible that's why it's bug free and very stable. His I/O on this rom is sick = 20, while I don't think Jelly Bean can beat this. If you talk about performance, the only advantage of JB over Zeus rom is 60fps and probably smoother overall GUi experience. I'm waiting for Zeus for the JB then if Zeus rom stills better then I will unlock the bootloader. Currently I only root, but my tab is running pretty fine, thanks to browser2ram, force 2D render and I/O scheduler SetCPU.
Don't forget about the stock deodexed + tweaks rom.
I'm running that one over zeus as it just seems more stable and smooth.
I unlocked within a week.
**** it... zeus, here i come!
Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
nirurin said:
Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
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1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
Jonphinguyen7 said:
1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
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1) Its nice that I have the options to play with it then, I'm sure there are ways to disable the 3G search. I was tempted to get it, but it didnt seem worth the extra £100+ (I got my note on an offer)
2) I assume I can flash CM10 while I wait, and return to stock when it is released? I'm only used to iOS jailbreaking, where you can always return to stock easily... I'd assumed this would work in a similar way?
3) It would be a shame to lose out on the samsung stuff... I'm not hooked on touchWiz or anything, but the multi-window stuff in the new JB update looked pretty snazzy. Of course in a years time I may change to pure android roms, if only to keep updated (I expect samsung will stop making their own updates soon enough)
4) I plugged it in briefly, saw it already had half a charge, and so unplugged it ... I cant remember if I should charge it to full first, then discharge it to 0%... or run it flat then charge it to full. Or if it makes no difference at all. Curse you technology!!
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5) Any recommended apps? I assume I can chuck on AVG or similar, is there anything specific I should use for backups etc?
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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Thanks for this. As it is getting late already, and I have work tomorrow, I may just stick to the ICS for now and get a couple basic apps and have a play around. You never know, the update may turn up!
I would just go for the JB one tonight, but I will need to find a step-by-step guide to help me, as I only have experience with the iOS jailbreaking process.
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All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
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How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
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It was better with ICS. But it's still pretty good. Last week I watched 4½ hours of video and still had about 52% battery life left. It seems like every version of Android they come out with gets slightly worse with regards to battery life. But in this case I think the extras that JB adds makes it a worthwhile tradeoff. In JB the difference seems to come from the addition of Google Now. I'm tempted to turn it off since I really don't use it other than to shut up iPhone users
After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
Same. I usually stay stock/un-rooted for about a month.. or two.. then I can't help it and just want to root and do other stuff. But for now, I have all that I really need for my Note at the moment without needing to root.
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After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
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hahaha, I felt the same way. I actually bought mine about a week before the Nexus 10 official announcement. I wanted to wait to make a decision on whether to keep the Note or send it back and get the Nexus 10. I was going to wait to root until I heard the full details and made the decision.
I was rooted about 2 hours after I took it home :laugh:
I hope your resolve lasts longer than mine did.
I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
mankoorb said:
I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
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I'd be happy with stock (for a while at least), if the current stock was the jellybean update lol.
I will attempt to keep myself entertained with the differences between my old iPad1 and this fancy new tablet, and hope that distracts me until samsung release the UK JB.
Hope its soon!
Strange how Germany got it first... and as far as I know is the only place to get it? and that was 3 weeks ago now. Odd.
Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
Well I have a 3G model but I am from India so no update yet for me so kind of sucks
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Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
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Yeh, I was initially tempted by the 3G model... But it would have been over £100 more expensive, plus a monthly subscription for data, and just isn't worth it.
Although its frustrating that Samsung will probably now wait another month before updating the wifi model... I don't think Germany even has it yet?
Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Well yes, but thats the point I was making... to buy it outright would have cost me an extra £100, and I simply dont have that much money to throw away.
If I was going to make a lot of use out of it, then fine... but I doubt I will. If I need internet on the move, I have my GalaxyS2,
Or, if for some reason I need internet on the move *specifically* on my tablet... I have my GalaxyS2 and tethering.
Saving myself over £100 means... well that £100 has bought me a really nice case, a 64GB microSD card, and a 4-in-1 adaptor for using USB/miniUSB/SD cards with the Note. And I still have £30 left over!
More than worth it, in my book. Just a shame we have t wait for the darned JB update so I can actually use the 64gb stick!
Hello,
currently i'm experimenting with custom roms, and i started thinking about stock 2.3.5 with sense 3.0.
Are there any NO NO reasons why not to use it ? (Such as vulnerability etc).
I have feeling that battery on 2.3.5 was amazing, camera was better than on ics etc..
No, none whatsoever
"It is better to have a permanent income than to be fascinating."
- Oscar Wilde (1854-1900)
I had overall better feeling of my phone while using 2.3.5.
It's 50/50 because there are also improvements such as GPS reception, better gmail app etc.
I have the same feeling as you, but the curiosity to experiment new things, makes wanna try another roms leading to always the same conclusion.
Despite all the hard work and improvements in other roms, 2.3.5 is the stable, fast and the only rom that can give confidence for a daily use, but thats my opinion of course
The only thing that i've felt is better in new custom roms is the wifi recepcion, and even in that, it's not a very major big improvement, the wifi in this phone was never very good.
Unfortunatelly there are some apps (such as Chrome) that won't work with 2.3.5. I need chrome, because it's only browser in which i can open AIS (academic information system).
Other browsers fail.
Was thinking about buying new HTC one. But this "support" that HTC cancelled after 2.3.5 for our devices tells me NO NO, don't buy HTC again.
So by now i'm sticking with ICS :/
Again, i agree with you. I love this phone but always get the feeling that HTC don't really care about costumers.
Before HTC i was a very huge fan of the 'Finland guys', devices never failed on me (but doesn't mean they're perfect of course) and now i know for sure what phone i'll buy next and it's not going to be an android (again, nothing against android itself, it's an amazing OS) but i'm not an fan of Samsung and HTC have disapointed me.
In my opinion they don't explore the full capacity of they're devices, and when they forget the devices, they are forgeting the people that have bought it.
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But this "support" that HTC cancelled after 2.3.5 for our devices tells me NO NO, don't buy HTC again.
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For me the main reason to install the custom ROM was the stock ROM: I have neither Facebook nor Twitter accounts, so having to scroll half the screen to skip the "social" fields of the contact info to finally reach the actual contact data was an overkill for me. At the same time, I could use HTCDev to change ROM with zero chance of bricking the phone. Sure, HTC could care more about their customers, but we have already got IMHO more then others.
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What did you install ?
Btw, you can remove system (read un-unistallable) apps such as facebook, twitter via Titanium Backup. But you need root.
Despite i'm defending 2.3.5 i am also on ics, ICE DS v8.0 Rom.
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What did you install ?
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CM 7.2, then beta CM9 and finally CM10.1. I really like CM.
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Btw, you can remove system (read un-unistallable) apps such as facebook, twitter via Titanium Backup. But you need root.
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I didn't know. Still, I needed newer Google Talk.
And FWIW HTCDev-Unlock still is wonderful way to root your device without doing some stuff you either don't fully understand or feel not very comfortable with. That is: I stick with HTC just because of HTCDev. I don't really mean that this is the reason for everybody to switch to HTC devices, but this POV is pretty much reasonable IMHO.
CM 10.1 - you mean flinny's builds ?
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CM 10.1 - you mean flinny's builds ?
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Exactly. Though it may change soon, as I have an uncommon problem with them.
Reasons Why
1- Battery Life, your phone drain the battery very quickly, i tried many ICS and Jelly Bean roms and all of them the same thing with battery.
2- Phone perfomances, theses rom slowdown your systems.
3- Wifi signal is really poor, i did everything to get my signal strong as GingerBread was, but nothing works.
4- Unstable system, sometimes you have randoms reboots. No Matter what rom you use.
The best rom for this phone is GingerBread(Custom or Stock) until now, cause all those custom of Jelly Bean and Ice Cream, have many bugs.
So think about it before you flash ICS OR Jelly Bean. i have to use [Heimdall][One-Click] to go back, since i go back to GingerBread everything is back to normal.
My phone now is rooted, custom recovery and Stock GingerBread 2.3.6 the perfect combination for me now.
REMEMBER THIS JUST ON T959V..
1) Depends on your settings mostly. Some people have gotten >6 days battery out of ICS.
2) Mine is WAY faster than GB. This is in line with most people's results as well.
3) The wifi is actually the same strength. Bars show lower, because GB lied. Change it to dB and you'll see.
4) Your battery is dying. Not ICS/JB fault that you have faulty hardware.
Good that you like GB though. Have fun.
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It seems like u have just wake up from a long sleep from the cave my friend.. you cannot justify that some of the ICS and JB roms we have all of the bad
things you have mentioned. i am currently on ICS AOKP which for me the close to stock and stable ICS. i can agree with you about JB which just arrive
in this phone not so long ago on which our great dev's are still looking for solution for some major problem exist..
Its your choice to stay on what you think its good for you and what you think the best choice. Not all of us here may agree with your statement right now
because some of the people here already jumping into JB.. I hope you can search a little more to find out on how to provide a good and stable rom for your
phone rather that whining the bad things you have experience..
I'm on ICS and haven't experienced 1 random reboot in a year, while I had many on GB. Memory management and availability is far superior compares to GB and Wifi strength seems the same. Battery is the same unless you have a dying battery which is possible.
P.S what's your point?
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LOL, i never got any on ICS, but I did on GB and JB, but on JB, I only get one once every month or two, so I don't mind.
Everyone who says they get crappy battery life needs to spend a week with a rom not installing anything else that didn't come with the phone. It'll be a good experiment. You'll get to see how much random apps drain your phone's battery with so many wakelocks, etc.
Again, if you wanna see your phone get great battery life on ICS/JB, DON'T INSTALL ANY APPS for a week.
I wonder if people with bad battery life use GPS. I noticed on ICS that once I use GPS no matter with what program the phone goes unstable and sometimes starts to discharge rapidly. The GPS is flaky at best anyway, once it would start, next time it wouldn't, no real pattern to it and nothing interesting in the logs. I found that after using it it's better to reboot right away to avoid troubles.
I don't experience any of the problems you seem to address on Cyanogenmod 9.
way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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way-to-go on the discouragement... so sad, then next week you'll be asking why development is slow.
the energy used to create this thread would have been better spent discussing what makes android great (freedom, freedom to choose the rom off your choice) without being biased by disgruntled users.
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I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.
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I just saying that thoses ics and jellybean customs rom most of them have the problem i wrote before but on T959V cause this is a lowend phone it is just 512mb of ram thats too low for ICS and JellyBean.
Im not saying anything bad about android, because android is and will be the best os for smartphones, all my devices are android.
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Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.
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Slim JB is like 85MB. the 512MB is no problem for that. And it's fast. Faster than GB ever was.
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I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.
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I used slim and it was very buggy, battery drain and poor wifi was the main problem.
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Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.
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Except that the issues you listed are just plain wrong. They either aren't true, or are due to something else. As I broke down your reasons points by point earlier, they're either due to bad hardware (your battery, 2 of the reasons you gave), bad software (your programs sucking down the battery and making the hardware worse), GB/Samsung lying (showing more Wifi bars to make you think it has a better signal strength even when the dB is the same), or bad scheduler/governor choices.
And then you present this as truth... note the title you gave it. Reasons why Stay away From.... not Reasons why I Stay away From. Your presentation is either useless... we don't really care why you don't like it for yourself; we're not judging you if you go back to GB... or worse, demotivational for the developers doing the actual work. If you have something useful to share with the class, do it. This doesn't qualify. And if you don't want to get judged, you'll do much better if you aren't blaming the developers for your dying battery.
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You are so wrong , cause since i go back to GB , i dont have none of the problem i write before....... Thats my opinion if you want to use it i dont care.. i just alerting new users....
If im lying why some developers said that still has no found an answer for the poor wifi or simply look most of the ics and jellybean custom rom post and you will find thousand of users describing what i saying...... I also opened a post describing my problems and no one could answered...
I'm not discouraging developers, I am encouraging them to do a better job.
I thanks to all them for the great job that they made...
I have no problems with you presenting your anecdotal experiences.
I have MAJOR issues with you presenting your impressions of what's happening as truth for new users who don't understand that you're causing your own issues. This is XDA developers, not XDA noobs. If you don't understand why you're causing your own issues, at a certain point there's nothing we can do to help you understand.
I also have issues with you implying that the unpaid developers suck and should just do better work. But hey, I'll try to leave you with your opinions.
Just please... in the future... try to make it VERY clear that you're presenting your opinions, not anything that other people should actually use to make their decisions.
Your experiences? Not in synch with the people who don't install broken programs or who read OPs and the like. Why? Who knows. But people will hopefully make their own decisions based on their phone and how they use it, not based on a "This is why you, the newbie, should avoid JB/ICS" post.
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Wifi isn't officially working on the latest Slim, so not sure what one you tried. I only managed to get wifi working for 4.2.2 last night, so it wasn't that one, and a lot of the JB rom's released are early stages. My point was that JB runs fine on our phone CPU and limited space.
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i tried slim 4.1.2 , was a bad experience......
xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol
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xtreme you like gingerbread? You should try Froyo. Who knows you might start a movement. Lol
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No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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No i like most Jelly bean, it s a shame my phone is slow with jellybean....
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You're obviously doing something wrong if gingerbread is smoother than jellybean. Come back when you learn how to flash a rom correctly