Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
nirurin said:
Ok, you may have seen me asking questions about the Note in the last couple days.. and today I ventured out and actually bought one
A grey 16gb wi-fi model.
So now, I have a couple of questions I wanted to ask before I started installing lots of apps onto this thing!
First off, I have been looking into the JB stuff, which is one of the main reasons I wanted the Note. It seems that this is not out in the UK yet (or anywhere except Germany?) but there are ways to root the Note and install it...
Except it seems these (and every other ROM) are all designed for only the 8000 model? Which *I believe* is the wifi+3G model...
1 - So does this mean I cant use many custom roms? As they seem to be designed for the 8000? or is this irrelevent?
(I did find this thread about it http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1982821 except it seems that the JB install makes the battery drain around 3 hours quicker than it should? OR is this standard for jellybean? (seems strange)
2 - Alternatively, is it recommended just to wait for the official JB release. Seems its expected any day now, though who knows when that would be in reality.
3 - Something I was curious about... has any of the custom roms managed to keep the samsung ability to have multiview/dualview etc? Or do they just revert you to a customised version of standard Android?
4 - Anything that its recommended I do first, or install first, before I get going? Full battery charge would seem an idea, though I think I need to drain the battery first... Been a long time since my iPad was new, cant remember the right ways to do things anymore.
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1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
Jonphinguyen7 said:
1) There are usually tweaks that allow you to use the ROM, even if your device isn't the 8000. Keep in mind that those roms have telephony services, and will be looking for a 3G signal (unless disabled).
2) If you are staying stock I recommend waiting. If not, flash CM10. It's lovely!
3) It depends on if it is stock based or AOSP/CM based. Stock based roms retain all of the original functionality, but adds speed, animation, theme, and other misc tweaks. AOSP based roms lose all of the Samsung Touchwiz specific functionality (Multi-window, S apps), but give you a pure android experience and look. Of course, CM also has a cool theme chooser!
4) I believe you should charge it first, but others will correct me if I am mistaken
Enjoy your awesome new Note!
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1) Its nice that I have the options to play with it then, I'm sure there are ways to disable the 3G search. I was tempted to get it, but it didnt seem worth the extra £100+ (I got my note on an offer)
2) I assume I can flash CM10 while I wait, and return to stock when it is released? I'm only used to iOS jailbreaking, where you can always return to stock easily... I'd assumed this would work in a similar way?
3) It would be a shame to lose out on the samsung stuff... I'm not hooked on touchWiz or anything, but the multi-window stuff in the new JB update looked pretty snazzy. Of course in a years time I may change to pure android roms, if only to keep updated (I expect samsung will stop making their own updates soon enough)
4) I plugged it in briefly, saw it already had half a charge, and so unplugged it ... I cant remember if I should charge it to full first, then discharge it to 0%... or run it flat then charge it to full. Or if it makes no difference at all. Curse you technology!!
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5) Any recommended apps? I assume I can chuck on AVG or similar, is there anything specific I should use for backups etc?
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
midas69 said:
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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Thanks for this. As it is getting late already, and I have work tomorrow, I may just stick to the ICS for now and get a couple basic apps and have a play around. You never know, the update may turn up!
I would just go for the JB one tonight, but I will need to find a step-by-step guide to help me, as I only have experience with the iOS jailbreaking process.
midas69 said:
All Android devices seem to have a real problem if you truly run the battery down to 0. I would say, get it close, but not to the point of dying.
As far as the German JB ROM, there's a patch to disable the phone stuff. I'm running it on a WiFi only 8013 and it's fine. Just read everything you can. Read the threads from the first page to the last.
Frankly, I've always been a custom ROM kind of guy. But the multi-view stuff is just so awesome, especially the JB version, that I'm sticking with stock. Changed the launcher, but sticking with stock.
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How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
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How is ur battery life on this rom, just got this tab a few days ago .thanks.
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It was better with ICS. But it's still pretty good. Last week I watched 4½ hours of video and still had about 52% battery life left. It seems like every version of Android they come out with gets slightly worse with regards to battery life. But in this case I think the extras that JB adds makes it a worthwhile tradeoff. In JB the difference seems to come from the addition of Google Now. I'm tempted to turn it off since I really don't use it other than to shut up iPhone users
After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
Same. I usually stay stock/un-rooted for about a month.. or two.. then I can't help it and just want to root and do other stuff. But for now, I have all that I really need for my Note at the moment without needing to root.
nirurin said:
After some research, it seems rooting is even more complicated than I first thought... because of the "binary counter" that samsung now has on their devices.
It seems that you can reset this counter, but I think it would only be sensible to road-test the tablet as stock first, in case it has any obvious faults that need to be sorted under warranty...
Although I do hate being sensible.
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hahaha, I felt the same way. I actually bought mine about a week before the Nexus 10 official announcement. I wanted to wait to make a decision on whether to keep the Note or send it back and get the Nexus 10. I was going to wait to root until I heard the full details and made the decision.
I was rooted about 2 hours after I took it home :laugh:
I hope your resolve lasts longer than mine did.
I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
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I rooted immediately, I have SG3 & 2, and I still have the galaxy 10.1 running a jb Rom. Guess I should of played with stock a little more, but really wanna see how the development is.
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I'd be happy with stock (for a while at least), if the current stock was the jellybean update lol.
I will attempt to keep myself entertained with the differences between my old iPad1 and this fancy new tablet, and hope that distracts me until samsung release the UK JB.
Hope its soon!
Strange how Germany got it first... and as far as I know is the only place to get it? and that was 3 weeks ago now. Odd.
Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
Well I have a 3G model but I am from India so no update yet for me so kind of sucks
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Apparently you got your wish... JB for UK dropped today, unfortunately for all you guys with wifi only, you seem to be the redheaded freckle faced kid in the shade that can't come out to play because its for the 3g model only again....
Personally, I'd root that sucker and try the new JB update.... You won't be disappointed....
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Yeh, I was initially tempted by the 3G model... But it would have been over £100 more expensive, plus a monthly subscription for data, and just isn't worth it.
Although its frustrating that Samsung will probably now wait another month before updating the wifi model... I don't think Germany even has it yet?
Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Couldn't you buy it outright? Then its up to you to either buy a plan, prepaid sim or use as a wifi model.... I personally prefer to get the 3g model simply because there may come a time when I need to use it.
I have a few 3g tablets, note 10.1, galaxy tab 7" and Acer Iconia A501.... Not all of these have sim cards but the potential is there if needed....
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Well yes, but thats the point I was making... to buy it outright would have cost me an extra £100, and I simply dont have that much money to throw away.
If I was going to make a lot of use out of it, then fine... but I doubt I will. If I need internet on the move, I have my GalaxyS2,
Or, if for some reason I need internet on the move *specifically* on my tablet... I have my GalaxyS2 and tethering.
Saving myself over £100 means... well that £100 has bought me a really nice case, a 64GB microSD card, and a 4-in-1 adaptor for using USB/miniUSB/SD cards with the Note. And I still have £30 left over!
More than worth it, in my book. Just a shame we have t wait for the darned JB update so I can actually use the 64gb stick!
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Ok, I was an early adopter of this phone bought it the day it came out July 18th. There are a great many things that disappoint me about this phone, main thing being lack of Froyo at the moment. I'm tired of waiting for samsung, I have little faith it will truely resolve my issues which are the following
In order to use wifi I must reboot my phone, this only occurred after the official JH7 was loaded on it through the over the air update that ATT did.
Constantly having lag all the time, and having apps running that I never ever use and dont want such as ATT Navigator, ATT Family Map, etc. I was able to root the phone and get rid of those but it really hasnt helped.
My stereo bluetooth headphones must be paired EVERY single time I want to use them, its not the headphones because they work perfectly with 4 other devices.
Of course the GPS, it sucks for everyone, any of these or all fix that? Samsung seems unwilling.
So maybe I'm wishing too much but I've watched almost every youtube review of the ROMs that are out there and theres a few details that stick out for things that I want in a rom so I'll detail them here and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction as to which one has the best combo.
1. froyo based, I need 2.2 for certain apps
2. I've heard theres different modems that can affect HSPA, I want fastest download and upload.
3. No wild color schemes, I dont like orange or green. I quite like the look of the phone I think samsung did a great job with the touchwiz and I know theres alot of you out there that perfer the "vanilla" versions of Android. I'm not one of those people. I really loved the look of the cognition rom and some of the things it had visually.
4. Overclocking would be nice but not at the expense of battery life, I'm right in the 24-30 hour range just as most are on here, better would be great if possible.
Go to romkitchen.org and build your own there. There are many threads about the advantages of one modem over another, and you can pick pretty much everything yourself. Then search for CLShortfuse's GPS fix and you'll be set.
Don't worry, its extremely easy
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24-30 hours of what kind of use? There are a couple roms out there with stock appearance
Cognition
Perception
Precision
Andromeda
Docs
30 hours, you have to consider what you are asking. I want faster dl, no lag, better gps, but I don't want to eat any more battery. It is possible to get 30hrs of light to moderate use. Heavy use will yield 12-18
Andromeda v1.2 is a rom that is pretty vanilla....simple and has the things your looking for. You have to try roms that you think will be what you want.
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Ok, I was an early adopter of this phone bought it the day it came out July 18th. There are a great many things that disappoint me about this phone, main thing being lack of Froyo at the moment. I'm tired of waiting for samsung, I have little faith it will truely resolve my issues which are the following
In order to use wifi I must reboot my phone, this only occurred after the official JH7 was loaded on it through the over the air update that ATT did.
Constantly having lag all the time, and having apps running that I never ever use and dont want such as ATT Navigator, ATT Family Map, etc. I was able to root the phone and get rid of those but it really hasnt helped.
My stereo bluetooth headphones must be paired EVERY single time I want to use them, its not the headphones because they work perfectly with 4 other devices.
Of course the GPS, it sucks for everyone, any of these or all fix that? Samsung seems unwilling.
So maybe I'm wishing too much but I've watched almost every youtube review of the ROMs that are out there and theres a few details that stick out for things that I want in a rom so I'll detail them here and hopefully someone can point me in the right direction as to which one has the best combo.
1. froyo based, I need 2.2 for certain apps
2. I've heard theres different modems that can affect HSPA, I want fastest download and upload.
3. No wild color schemes, I dont like orange or green. I quite like the look of the phone I think samsung did a great job with the touchwiz and I know theres alot of you out there that perfer the "vanilla" versions of Android. I'm not one of those people. I really loved the look of the cognition rom and some of the things it had visually.
4. Overclocking would be nice but not at the expense of battery life, I'm right in the 24-30 hour range just as most are on here, better would be great if possible.
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shoman94 said:
Andromeda v1.2 is a rom that is pretty vanilla....simple and has the things your looking for.
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+2 for Andromeda 1.2.
You can fix all of these if you root the phone. The best ROM out there is the Rom Kitchen (aka "Doc's ROMs") over at romkitchen.org. You can "cook up" your own ROMs using the specifications you want. This is what is so great about the ROM kitchen, especially when compared to the other ROMs like Cognition: you can pick what you want, and don't have to take whatever it was that someone else decided was best. For example, if you want the benefits of rooting but want to keep touchwiz, the ROM kitchen has an option for that. It also lets you pick things like the theme, boot animation, apps, etc. There are 5 captivate modems, and you might just have to experiment to see which one is best. I did this, and it was well worth it. The one that worked best for me was the XXJPP modem. Just load a seperate ROM with each of the different modems, flash each, and download a few things to see which is faster. Also check and see how well the GPS works on each.
Rooting will fix the lag, although one of the ROM kitchen kernels (Glitterball's Voodoo) will improve it even further. There is something called "Project Voodoo" which is a community of developers who build a kernel tweak called Voodoo which completely fixes the remaining lag issue (this is caused by the inefficient way the captivate organizes its folders), and also improves a few other features such as resolution.
You should go try out my ROM its small and fast and stable. I'm getting great battery life and DL/UL speeds. Give it a shot.
Here.
Well I decided to go with the serendipity 5.9, I love the speed, my upload and download speeds almost doubled, bluetooth and wifi finally work like they are supposed to!!
I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
rodimus_prime said:
Well I decided to go with the serendipity 5.9, I love the speed, my upload and download speeds almost doubled, bluetooth and wifi finally work like they are supposed to!!
I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
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Use the add on kitchen and add samsung keyboard. download zip and flash.
rodimus_prime said:
I do have a few complaints though, like the keyboard for texting, I loved the samsung one, I hate swipe any way i can get the stock one back on there?
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It comes with the Gingerbread keyboard as well.
However, if you're still interested in the Samsung keyboard, it's in here:
http://serendipityrom.weebly.com/add-ons.html
I just found that, wow, short of having a flash on the camera and video chat this phone is now everything I could have ever dreamed of
Holy crap what a difference. Everything actually works and is super fast. I would be on cloud nine right now except for the fact I'm probably soon getting the Atrix, this will def hold me over till then.
Im using Precision 3.5 with the monochrome 3.5 theme. Its running the latest suckerpunch kernel. For sure my favorite combo I've tried so far. Its really amazing, not to mention dev'd by ryude, who is one of the best!
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Samsung Captivate running Serendipity 5.12 Paragon6 1200-100hz (uv'd and slightly oc'd) and I9000XXJVE modem. Almost have it edited/themed up how I want it. Need to get started on custom icons and I think I want to try my hand at a completely custom framework. Anyway, I was perfectly happy with 'dipity out of the box, but since I've flashed Paragon this phone is AMAZING. It's quite fast and the battery seems to last forever. Just now recharging for the first cycle after having to reflash my rom w/o a full battery, so after today I'll know for sure how long the battery last, but initially it seems like I'll get a day or so with my daughter constantly playing video's and games all day.
I have tried the team phoenix roms. I'm currently running phoenix 7.0 and am happy so far.
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I am running phoenix. 7 with latest paragon 1200 rom using uv and this is by far the best combo I have had yet. Using jl3 modem and call quality is great. I change roms almost daily and this one will be here for a while, I am happy with everything this combo has to offer and speed and battery life is excellent.
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Samsung Captivate running Serendipity 5.12 Paragon6 1200-100hz (uv'd and slightly oc'd) and I9000XXJVE modem. Almost have it edited/themed up how I want it. Need to get started on custom icons and I think I want to try my hand at a completely custom framework. Anyway, I was perfectly happy with 'dipity out of the box, but since I've flashed Paragon this phone is AMAZING. It's quite fast and the battery seems to last forever. Just now recharging for the first cycle after having to reflash my rom w/o a full battery, so after today I'll know for sure how long the battery last, but initially it seems like I'll get a day or so with my daughter constantly playing video's and games all day.
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...How quickly things change, now running Serendipity 6 with all the above still the same.. although I think I may flash the 1400 Paragon and try that out..
just went up to Serendipity 6.2 yesterday, same battery issues again im trying to do what I did last time to fix that part
busy day though, just got an ipad last night been trying to ha0xr that thing, no luck on jailbreaking 4.3 yet though
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just went up to Serendipity 6.2 yesterday, same battery issues again im trying to do what I did last time to fix that part
busy day though, just got an ipad last night been trying to ha0xr that thing, no luck on jailbreaking 4.3 yet though
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14:25:12 uptime, moderate use and I'm t 70%
I guess every phone is different...
im still working through my first charge after wiping the battery stats so im sure it will be better once I cycle through
In those screen shots posted how did you get those multiple icons at the bottom? i mean other than the stock serendipity theme. im running the redrom right now, i dont want to lose the red but i would like the more icons at the bottom other than the phone the :: for app tray and the globe for internet
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In those screen shots posted how did you get those multiple icons at the bottom? i mean other than the stock serendipity theme. im running the redrom right now, i dont want to lose the red but i would like the more icons at the bottom other than the phone the :: for app tray and the globe for internet
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I wouldn't mind knowing either. I'm thinking it's a different launcher, but I'm only guessing. Still kinda new to android.
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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same too me, I tried it over 3.1, what I experienced:
- browser little bit slower
- more SOD
- nothing real extra feature
I have to use a custom rom for a couple of reasons:
1) My stock rom is the Chinese verison, which means no google apps or google sync. Without google, it's just not android.
2) I need the Chinese input methods. I would normally switch to the USA stock rom, but it doesn't have Chinese input. Prime does/did, Chinese handwriting input is MIA, but I'll sure it will be taken care of.
I choose to use a custom rom for these reasons:
3) I don't like excess crap on my computer. I can modify a custom rom before I install it, mostly just removing apps that I will never use.
4) Root! I love freedom on my computer. Root lets me do things. All kinds of neat things: block ads, increase speed on sd card, delete/modify system apps and directories, and lots more. Look into it, it is fun.
5) Overclock. Prime doesn't have it, but you can add a kernal that does. I currently don't overclock, but as the Tegra 2 ages, i will overclock it. I'm specifically waiting for a rom with a high GPU overclock. There is one out there that currently does have a minor GPU overclock.
6) Clockwork Recovery. Backup, restore, switch roms, clear cache and more.
Why I choose Prime:
7) Dock battery meter in the taskbar.
8) Reboot/recovery options for power button.
After looking through the current selection of roms available, I choose Prime. But I keep my eye on revolver and Clemsyn.
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I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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How do you not? OP clearly states that there are optimizations made to increase load times etc etc.
No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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bobloadmire said:
I haven't flashed to any Tom's yet, but this seems to be the most popular. Why is that? I looked at the change log and I don't understand what I would be gaining I guess.
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Last time I flashed a Tom he punched me in the face...
One reason I haven't seen mentioned would also be themes, but it is still early in the game, there are few options. Custom Roms are generally just optimized better, though the Transformer doesn't have nearly the bloat some Android devices have making them almost essential...
Honestly once you learn, it is such an easy process that flashing different roms/kernels and trying them is the only real way to know what is best for you and your usage.
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No, op states "better user experience" which is very vague. Also I'm not having any slow load times, everything is pretty zippy.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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The reason im asking is so i dont miss out on anything and obviously im looking for empiracle data to help me understand any performance benefits.
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zephiK said:
Then why are you worrying about ROMs? It's obvious you want some of that Baconcomb so just get it already.
Honestly, I don't know why people ever need to "beg" you to try something. If you're happy with what you got already, then be happy.
"If it isn't broken, don't fix it"
If you're curious, then just do it... because all in honesty. One person's opinion is only a opinion. The only way you're going to know if it's worth it is from YOUR personal experience. I can personally say that, PRIME 1.6 and root is good and its worth it.
If you don't want to take my word for it, then don't. I'm not going to beg you to do it.
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Wow...
He asked what was the difference between stock and Prime, and you went off in another direction. He wasn't asking to be "begged" into using Prime nor asking for others to convince him into using Prime at all.
Anyways, I know Prime has a few optimizations, but I don't know if it brings any substantial changes. There's a link to download the power/recovery mod, so I suppose it could be applied to any ROM including rooted stock.
One reason I would like to root my tf101 is to be able to use a USB dongle. But I am waiting for 3.2 to come out before since I just got my tf101.
The stock version is pretty good actually. No major complaints so far.
I hav ebeen using Prime for a while but ASUS stock version is definitely quite good. Even more so for lack of garbageware that so plagues the mobile phones...
Yea I guess I'm in the same camp. I haven't seen a compelling reason to move to a different ROM versus rooted stock. There are too many posts that seem to lead users to believe that a different ROM is the same as root. Remember you can root the stock ROM. The OP is asking what user experience enhancements make Prime (or any other ROM) compelling.
If you read changelog second post it will tell you exactly what's new in the ROM. Many changes are only useful for experienced linux users, but many others are useful for everyone. The nice thing about roms is that most of the things and tweaks are already done for you. If you don't need/care about those changes then there is no point for you to reflash.
Which BXX mod did you get ?
I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
Manufacturer's (ASUS included) have to be very careful about their ROM releases so they are thoroughly tested and ready to release to the general public. Consequently they are slower to release updates (i.e. NVidia updates, etc.). Custom ROMs generally consolidate the best and latest releases from various manufacturer's into the most cuttest edge versions you can possibly be running. As you'll notice this can also mean more lock-ups and weird issues since you are getting just-available changes. So if you prefer max stability, stick with the manufacturer's updates. For many of us part of the fun of owning an Android tablet is the rapid pace that custom ROMs are put out and the interesting/quirky things they bring us.
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I'm curious because I'm thinking of picking up one of these today ( the guy at Orifice Depot tried to get me to buy an Iconia, but that thing doesn't have anywhere near the support the TF is getting...)....?
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I got a B60 TF and a B60 dock from my local OD this past weekend (Denver, CO).
Prime Vs Stock
Reason why I flashed the Prime Rom. With Prime and a netflix patch I'm able to stream netflix movie. Also now Adhoc connections work. I can Wifi tehther my TF101 with my Driod using the adhoc connection. I can now easily reboot into recovery prior to this going into recovery was a bit tricky. This was not possible even with HC 3.2. Also I don't have to worry about losing root becuase of an OTA update.
I am actually a flashaholic when it comes to flashing roms on my phone. But so far, I haven't come across any compelling reasons to flash custom roms on my transformer. The need to flash roms on phones offer benefits that are non existant on a tablet. For instance, one major reason to flash custom roms on phones is to enable free wifi tethering, which obviously does not apply here. Another reason, as stated above is to remove bloatware. The transformer doesn't really have that. And yet another reason is to be able to update to the latest Android version before the official release. Correct me if i'm wrong but when I looked, the 3.2 update came out officially before any transformer custom roms had it. There are a couple more minor customizations options that I'm not seeing yet being offered by the transformer roms. I am fully aware of the speed enhancements and optimizations that custom roms offer, but considering the custom roms for the transformer are still relatively new (no disrespect or discredit to the devs for their hard work), and considering that even still now, the rooting and flashing methods keep getting outdated and changed, it's too early in this ballgame for me to flash.
I've been lurking the forums here now for a month and finally pulled the trigger, my TF get's here monday.
I have yet to see any reason to flash a custom rom or even root at this point. I'll be rooting it just to say it's rooted and just for a couple of root only programs I have. The custom roms don't really bring anything to the table that this tablet doesn't have. it has the newest version of android with all the bells and whistles. I'm not going to be overclocking. I understand netflix is big for some people, but, from what I have read flashing the fix breaks some video playback. I'm ok to wait for the official netflix patch. A 32gb MicroSD and the 16gb on board space is plenty to store movies on for travel etc. I also have a server I run at home that will stream my entire movie,. TV, and music collections directly to me.
Having the best of the best and the most up to date version of android does have it's perks
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I am a bit bored from my vibrant - especially when it comes to speed (despite running MIUI rom, which is quite snappy compared to stock).
How's the blaze? Worth the hassle? Speed demon? Or just ok?
Here's my take. Kinda drunka and all.
I came from the original Mt3g. 528mhz. Always cyanogenmod though.
Super fast phone. Fast network. The benchmarks that I run place the Blaze way at the top, though I don't know much about that stuff.
Once the ICS update happens if it does, or if an ICS rom happens I'll be thrilled. The phone has plenty of horsepower for me at least.
Being that i upgraded from a Motorola Defy that was even overclocked and still sucked....yea this phone is pretty damn nice. Super fast and no issues with mine. I'm waiting to root and do V6 and all that until ICS comes out so I don't have to go back to stock and all those other things for the real update to work, even with the bloat it does not slow this phone down.
i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.
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i also came from a vibrant, cm9 and all.
its not that much quicker IMO
if i didnt get this phone for completely free, and had to use my upgrade for it, i would not have gotten it.
i wish the dev community for this phone was stronger but its all good.
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there is only two ways that is gunna happen, either people step forward and start making things work, or you reach out to devs
The vibrant is out dated and can't come close to touching the blaze/mini s2
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I am also coming from the Vibrant to this, due to my Vibrant not charging anymore. i had an upgrade and will be getting this in the mail by friday. Im also looking to root and flash a custom rom, since i have heard battery life is terrible. If anyone has any advice, please message me.
I kinda regret buying it. I didn't really research the community involvement on the phone, or even really the phone at all. I usually do, but in my situation my previous phone (nexus one) died suddenly, and unexpectedly. I pretty much had to get a phone that day, and I initially balked at the idea of getting a phone that was much larger than what I had.
But, I also wasn't really feeling like dishing out $400+ up front for a phone, so the Blaze was naturally a good option for me, especially since I do prefer GSM phones (cdma networks don't work too well in a lot of buildings I am commonly in) and I was getting fed up with AT&T's slow data speeds.
So it was pretty much between this or an S2, and at the time, the phone was just too large.
Now that I've had the phone for a week or so, running the same OS as my previous phone (one I had for 2 years) while it's true this phone is much faster, I find myself kinda wishing I would have been able to have more of a "wow omg" feeling after owning it.
In short, I'm starting a cash fund just to keep handy for whenever the new nexus line of phone is released. I really preferred stock android before, and I would definitely still prefer it now.
I'd like to see tmobile push out ICS for the phone pretty soon, but seriously, they loaded this thing with so many junk apps, sometimes 2 or 3 apps that do the same freaking thing that android already does, so I'm thinking it's going to be 2 years before they actually push ICS to this phone.
I have removed a lot of the apps with titanium backup pro, but it makes NO SENSE TO ME AT ALL why a carrier would put so much crap on the phone. For crying out loud if I use the stock launcher that doesn't have the ability to hide apps you don't want to see, it took a good 2 minutes just to freaking find what you wanted!
I like being able to flash roms and customize my phone and im worried there isnt going to be much developer interest in this. The S2 was also too large for my liking, and I chose this last minute after my vibrant stopped charging.
What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....
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What I dont understand is, why are people who dont even have this phone making roms for it? So far theres only 2 and neither of them work. Go figure....
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I'm guessing because it seems like the number of users with this phone is rather small. There's lots of reasons for it. It's a new model, didn't it come out in March?
It's also available only on Tmobile, and reviewers do nothing but dump the phone in the lower tier bracket because there's nothing "special" about it. They are always like, "meh, it's not tablet sized, so who cares!"
Even the model number is confusing as all get out, not even Tmobile themselves can consistently distinguish between it and the other Samsung phones.
Good phone just as fast as the Galaxy S2 T989 just a smaller screen size otherwize specs are almost exactly the same except for the camera is a little better in the Galaxy S2.
i just picked up the galaxy s blaze as well from my friend. i have a quick question though. Does anyone else have a slight issue with the power button being a bit loose when pressed in towards the button?
I kinda wish I had the Blaze along with my S II. If I did, i would be using the Blaze almost all the time because it does the same thing that the S II does, but in a smaller design. LOL. You guys should be proud because some of the S II owners use the Blaze's modem. I use it. It's so much faster and better. I give the Blaze some Love.
So odd and random but i noticed today on T Mobile that the Vibrant is now listed as a phone to buy in the phones/upgrade section again lol and since I got my Blaze and have no discount they still think they are gonna get someone to pay 379 for that outdated POS..must have found some stashed in their inventory haha
So I just got home with my brand spanking new 10.1 and I think its high time I void the warranty and get rid of the prerequisite bloatware that Samsung insists on pumping into the device before shipping it. This brings me here with two questions:
1: What is a good de-bloated / efficient ROM to run while I'm waiting for CM10.1 to reach a more stable state?
2: Is there anything different I should know about the tablet rooting / flashing process from the phone rooting / flashing process?
Thanks for any input.
Mate, I found the stock rom runs just fine.... All I did was root it...
It's up to you entirely but if all Samsung phones and tablets were shipped like the Note 10.1, I don't think I'd ever really flash a different rom again...
Would suggest trying it out as is for a few days then go ahead and flash, flash, flash... I do insist you root it however...
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Mate, I found the stock rom runs just fine.... All I did was root it...
It's up to you entirely but if all Samsung phones and tablets were shipped like the Note 10.1, I don't think I'd ever really flash a different rom again...
Would suggest trying it out as is for a few days then go ahead and flash, flash, flash... I do insist you root it however...
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Idk... I'll give this one a try, we'll just have to see how stable the ROM stays when I start peeling away the bloatware. If its anything like my past experiences, once the Samsung apps get pulled, the whole system will start to collapse like a house of cards. That's why I tend to prefer preshrunk ROMs, with CM being the best for my tastes.
using gloryrom myself
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So I just got home with my brand spanking new 10.1 and I think its high time I void the warranty and get rid of the prerequisite bloatware that Samsung insists on pumping into the device before shipping it. This brings me here with two questions:
1: What is a good de-bloated / efficient ROM to run while I'm waiting for CM10.1 to reach a more stable state?
2: Is there anything different I should know about the tablet rooting / flashing process from the phone rooting / flashing process?
Thanks for any input.
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These tablets kick ass stock. I would read a bit of these forums before any mods. at least use it for a few weeks that way after you modify it you'll be able to tell what broke it. After all these forms go a bit like this, I just flashed rom x and now my tab don't work right. Why mess up perfection. I have tried many and the bug free one is the one the creators made for it, stock
rooting does not void your hardware warranty.. if you screw up software you are on your own but most likely can unroot and flash stock..
I use stock touchwiz on my 8013 .. just rooted and removed all the bloatware..
also you can remove stock installed apps such as maps, google plus, street view, talk, chat on etc.. which take up quite a bit of space is ssystem/app and when you upgrade them anyway in google play the old versions are still there wasting space.. recommend you create a stockapps directory first on sd and copy any app you are about to remove so yhou can always put it back if there is an issue or you need it for an upgrade.
For me there is only one good reason to root a note 10.1 ........... To install [ROOT] FolderMount https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.devasque.fmount this app is the bomb.
My stock note 10.1 is way more stable than when it was rooted with a custom rom. The only reason that I would think about rooting again is if I wanted to take advantage of storing my game data and obb files onto ext memory. But once you learn all of the storage locations and file names for those files you can manually move them and achieve the same out come with out rooting but it is a pain to have to move 2gb files back and forth from internal and ext memory.
I should have gotten the 32gb note (but I wanted white) and none of this would be an issue because my stock note runs every app and game I have put on it without an issue.
Good luck no matter what you decide.
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All I can say for CM10.1 on this tab is, why disable all the multi-window goodness? CM ruins this device, IMO.
I would stick with any rom based on stock.
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All I can say for CM10.1 on this tab is, why disable all the multi-window goodness? CM ruins this device, IMO.
I would stick with any rom based on stock.
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With so many votes for the stock OS, I guess I'll give it a chance, but I will say that I'm still going to be running into one of my own personal preference problems with the fact that I'm going to want to change the themeing of the stock ROM. I've never been a huge fan of the look of TW, so that may end up being the deciding factor when push comes to shove. I guess we'll see though... if stock is as good as you say, I may have to live with it...
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With so many votes for the stock OS, I guess I'll give it a chance, but I will say that I'm still going to be running into one of my own personal preference problems with the fact that I'm going to want to change the themeing of the stock ROM. I've never been a huge fan of the look of TW, so that may end up being the deciding factor when push comes to shove. I guess we'll see though... if stock is as good as you say, I may have to live with it...
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I am not a fan of Touchwiz at all. So I install Nova Launcher. THere are others as well. Apex and many more. Might want to look at those.
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I am not a fan of Touchwiz at all. So I install Nova Launcher. THere are others as well. Apex and many more. Might want to look at those.
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I actually already use Apex, but I generally want the themeing to go deeper to cover things like the system framework etc., which just isn't possible with Apex. I think that's one of my favorite things about CM10, beyond its bare-bones nature, is that it supports one-touch theme changing.
maybe....
http://au.ibtimes.com/articles/5034...veals-android-4-kitkat-os-11.htm#.UicpuH-I68A
here's a quote from the article:
Android 4.4 KitKat Features
Google hasn't revealed any features yet of the upcoming Android 4.4 KitKat but instead, the company said: "our goal with Android KitKat to make an amazing Android experience available for everybody."
With this statement from Google, it is expected that KitKat will become accessible to Android-running devices with lower RAM such as 512MB and older Android version such as 2.3 Gingerbread. This optimisation has been rumoured to be included in Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie.
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What...
http://signatures.mobile-overload.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/sig-cm-5.png
I would not hold my breath.
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lol no. Unless if it was created by an awesome person here, but there's no point in that. This phone is long dead, earlier this week I finally moved on, and oh my gosh, its been great having a Nexus 4 over this phone that was out-dated before it was even released back in Spring 2011.
Nope
You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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You'll probably never see a KitKat version on the Charge. The main reason is the same that you never saw ICS or JB on the Charge. The code for the radios was never released. I've tried JB on the Charge, it runs well; however the camera and data don't work. Also, while I still use the Charge as my primary phone, there's not many of us left.
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
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ICS and all versions of JB work fine on this phone already... we are just missing the radios.
I doubt anyone cares about this phone anymore anyways...
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Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I'm inclined to agree, though it would be awesome to be proven wrong!
Yeah not many folks left that's for sure... still a few that care though
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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I agree with both assessments. Thanks for all the work you've done on Tweaked, Dwith. My wife and I love it on our charges.
P.S. One problem I had with Tweaked Lite, when I installed it, it didn't install file manager(I think that's what it's called on stock) and when I went to select a sound(not ringtone) for a ringtone it would show and error. I went to tweaktools and installed the file manager and it works fine. Not sure why it wouldn't work with my other file management programs.
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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Yeah I am not a fan of MyFiles, and for better or worse the call to that for ringtone selecting is hardcoded... at least tweaktools brings it back quick enough - forgot about that tbh, sorry for the troubles!
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I agree with your take on MyFiles, one of the first thing I did was replace it with something else(currently FX File Manager). I wasn't a big deal, I had planed on copying my few ringtones to system anyway.
while I agree that the we are more likely to see Republicans and Democrats agree on something, would still be interesting to see if this holds true. I really would not be surprised though, if older devices do get upgraded to the latest OS - that could mean larger revenues for Google. more folks would be able to use their apps, services, etc. without having to get a new device.
however, after then, they could see how slow their device is, and then they decide to upgrade. but still, worth keeping an eye on.
Google and Verizon both agreeing to do this? Hell will freeze over first.
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From my understanding of several stories posted from Android sites since KitKat was announced, It sounds like either Google is going to update phones to KitKat silently like they have been doing everything else without the help of Samsung or Verizon or perhaps we just get these features without ever actually upgrading to KitKat
Hangouts is supposed to be replacing the stock Messaging app-If Google can do that then why would they need anything from Samsung/Verizon??
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...msmms-integration-video-sharing-capabilities/
http://mobilesyrup.com/2013/10/08/h...uts-will-almost-certainly-integrate-with-sms/
4.4 "Google Experience" Launcher Launcher could be released from the Play Store (which would replace touchwiz??)
http://www.androidpolice.com/2013/1...re-some-things-we-are-expecting-to-see-in-it/
The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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The truth of the matter is this. The Motorola Droid 1, a phone I bought as a media/mp3 player for 50 bucks and fixed up, is working better than a phone I paid 300 new and had nightlies and better support. I loved my charge, the battery sucked. And the phone I use now is the Verizon note 2 and sprint note 3 as a business phone since I now work for the sprint corporation. Do I miss my charge? Yes. Do I wish it had some cyanogenmod support being a phone 1 1/2 years newer than the droid 1? yes. As soon as I can learn how to make a rom for the charge, I plan to make an ics or jb nightly that will support a wifi only support on this relic. It was my first 4g phone. I have it in my desk and feel sad since it helped me achieve so much.
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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That's exactly what I was thinking - even if the radios weren't released, having the phone to use over wifi would be good enough for me. I guess that's the question - would it be possible to work up a kitkat ROM that was just purely wifi?
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I've seen an ics rom that was floating around, but support for this phone was always limited. It came and went faster than any other phone I saw. Hell, the bionic I owned had support and nightlies all the way up to the day I got the note 2. I digress. I am looking into it as soon as I can get a linux kitchen set up.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I am learning how to build for android. Starting with the fascinate since there is a lot of support so I can gain familiarity and then I'm going to do a build for the charge. I intend to only use it as a media device. I can't promise or guarantee anything but, I will try my best to deliver a bootable kitkat rom. This is all pretty difficult. We shall see what happens.
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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I have a Fascinate as well, but haven't installed any of the KK offerings for it yet. I did notice that when updating the Fascinate to KK you have to flash a 4.1 or 4.2 rom first, to get the file system setup, right? Then flash the 4.4 rom. Would the steps be the same for the Charge?
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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AFAIK you shouldn't have to flash any rom first.. I could be wrong. I don't keep up with all the fascinate development. I did flash a 4.4 rom in the past from cm10.1.
I have a build enviroment set up and I am running into problems building cm11 for the fascinate. I think by the errors that I need to increase the system partition. Because the build always fails at making the system.img. The build guides make it seem like you should run into no errors at all.
I'll start building for the charge soon. I'm too much of a noob to actually develop for it right now, but I think I can atleast boot it once I figure out how to build it.
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not sure if I mentioned this earlier, but it could be the fact that the charge is based on RFS system (GB 2.3). I believe android went EXT4 with ICS and higher. there are some kernels that can convert the Charge to EXT4 - so not sure if that would help ya.