I'm struggling to understand why so many people here are so anal on the benchmark scores. Does it really matter? will a few points up or down help you decide on whether to purchase it? When you buy a new car, do you ask other owners for their BHP results to help you decide?
If you like the phone, then get it, don't let a bunch of figures help you decide...they mean nothing anyway...very few, if not any apps will require the full processing power of the note 3.
If you're going to root it and put on a custom rom, then don't even bother to ask someone for their benchmark results, as you know full well that any rom cooked will result in different scores.
I love this community and am all for android and the customisation that comes with it...but christ, some of you are annoying!
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Why do they rate cars with horsepower and torque then? When speed is really figured by weight to power ratio? Why do they have mpg? Who cares about mpg? It all matters how you drive etc etc etc
Why test 1/4 mile, 0-60, 0-100, braking, slalom, top speed, fuel range, etc etc list goes on and on. people want to know what a car (phone) can do before they buy it
Because it's interesting.
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Because it's interesting.
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You mean it's penis envy then?
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You mean it's penis envy then?
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I'm a woman, genius.
No, I find benchmarks interesting because it's fascinating to see how far technology has come in such a short time.
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I'm a woman, genius.
No, I find benchmarks interesting because it's fascinating to see how far technology has come in such a short time.
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but, apart from just a number to compare with other numbers, do you actually know what they mean?
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I'm struggling to understand why so many people here are so anal on the benchmark scores. Does it really matter? will a few points up or down help you decide on whether to purchase it? When you buy a new car, do you ask other owners for their BHP results to help you decide?
If you like the phone, then get it, don't let a bunch of figures help you decide...they mean nothing anyway...very few, if not any apps will require the full processing power of the note 3.
If you're going to root it and put on a custom rom, then don't even bother to ask someone for their benchmark results, as you know full well that any rom cooked will result in different scores.
I love this community and am all for android and the customisation that comes with it...but christ, some of you are annoying!
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Now that you got that off your chest, how about letting ppl. who know how to use benchmarks... do and use benchmarks?
yes...because you can use benchmarks to your advantage.
neither of us are twelve anymore, admit it.....benchmarks are just a way to show you have penis envy.
I thanked the OP while I understand both sides. I enjoy benchmarks while taking them with a grain of salt. They give you a round-about in direct comparison to other devices, while not translating to things that matter such as "frames per second within a game" or "amount of seconds to open an excel spreadsheet"
exactly....they're not accurate within 1000 points, so more than a few grains of salt are needed when looking at them.
It's nice to know your device is the best, however, it totally depends on how you use your phone. I add about 200+ apps to a device, which heavily affects the benchmark, so i never look at the initial scores.
it just annoys me at how anal some people are and how they take a score as a direct affect to their decision of purchase or wait.
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I'm struggling to understand why so many people here are so anal on the benchmark scores. Does it really matter? will a few points up or down help you decide on whether to purchase it? When you buy a new car, do you ask other owners for their BHP results to help you decide?
If you like the phone, then get it, don't let a bunch of figures help you decide...they mean nothing anyway...very few, if not any apps will require the full processing power of the note 3.
If you're going to root it and put on a custom rom, then don't even bother to ask someone for their benchmark results, as you know full well that any rom cooked will result in different scores.
I love this community and am all for android and the customisation that comes with it...but christ, some of you are annoying!
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Personally, because until I have the phone in my hand to see how it performs, they allow to get an idea of how it will perform by comparing to others... Once I have it, I couldn't care less... Just my .02
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yes...because you can use benchmarks to your advantage.
neither of us are twelve anymore, admit it.....benchmarks are just a way to show you have penis envy.
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It seems you are lost at what benchmarking is for and can only think about is underage penis. XDA is a place for mobile gadget discussion, part of it is knowing the exact capabilities of said gadgets, and @mods will show you soon whether sexual fantasies are up to these standards.
I find it a tad more odd that posters refer to a Penis and anus? Now THAT is odd
but even when the SG3 was announced, basic use was seen as ''lagless'', and the benchmarks were the best around....what's changed? apart from gaming, apps haven't changed that much to warrant such a fast device.
gadget?......you mean smartphone? there's not much info about gadgets here.....smart phones (and the newly added 'watch') are pretty the only gadget thing catered for here.
None of us are building phones like computers, so benchmarks on a fresh phone are not really anything to brag about. It is just something you go out and buy. I don't think the benchmark scores once you load a bunch of apps or a different ROM make much difference but if you knew what the benchmark of an out of the box S4 was and then compared it to and out of the box Note 3 that would give you a good idea what the difference between the phones is going to be. Other than benchmarks how would you suggest making the comparison? You can look at spec sheets till you are blue in the face but the benchmarks will give you a good idea how a device is going to perform.
you don't quite understand Sigmund's work then, do you ?
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but even when the SG3 was announced, basic use was seen as ''lagless'', and the benchmarks were the best around....what's changed? apart from gaming, apps haven't changed that much to warrant such a fast device.
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The number of screen pixels changed, the amount of tolerable processing time changed, the number of actively running apps changed, the complexity of services changed, the pixels and bitrates of camera operations changed, the amount of data going through RAM, NAND, connections and cables changed... and you changed, you are now 29 and talking about 12yo penises to random ppl. on a tech site is extremely worrysome.
Say you have two phones you are considering that cost the same amount of money, the question would be why wouldn't you care about benchmarks? Are you just buying the one you think has the better logo on it? Personally I would prefer my cash go to the device that I can get the most out of, not only now but 10 months from now. If you are one of those people who keeps a phone for 2 years the games available 2 years ago didn't even come close to taxing your phone the way the ones that are being released now do. I'm going to assume the same will be true in 2 years.
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Chanced across this youtube video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5uhnJxmKqU
Shows how BAD the stock rom (even its successors) are. Tablet lagged, wifi failed, browser didn't load and something force closed during its show case.
But the guy said "we are expected to be on gingerbread and honeycomb by mid year." Good news?
They should just hire the developers her on XDA (roebeet, rothnic, pershoot, gojimi) to get even a chance.
Actually, the way viewsonic operates looks more like communism than anything else. We know what they came out with doesn't work. They know what they came out with doesn't work. And yet, they insist on continuing to do the same damn thing over and over. It's like having a 5 year plan on top of a 5 year plan over and over even though millions people are starving. They (viewsonic) insist on continuing with TapnTap UI even though it caused the biggest return rate they ever saw. Communism!
The xda community is like capitalism. This is an open market environment where people who are capable contribute what they have and users are presented with many different choices to choose from. Take OC, for example. We can either use Persh's or we can use Clem's kernel.
We've learned from history that communism simply doesn't work. Why? Because people have no choice. What's given to people to use isn't the best but rather what the originator could present to the premiere. We all know how sucky TapnTap UI is, but the fact of the matter is TapnTap has access to the premiere, aka Viewsonic's board. It doesn't matter if TapnTap suck ass. Just like that submarine called the widow maker. It doesn't matter if people keep dying from radiation exposure and all of that good stuff. The premiere says people have to use it and people use it. That's how communism works.
Not to turn this into a political thread, but we have never witnessed pure Communism.
What we have witnessed in history are Authoritarian governments using the term Communism or Socialism and even Democracy, as a way to deceive the people into supporting them, until the people realize too late; that they have given away their freedoms.
Many countries claim to be democracies, except they rig the ballot box and 'disappear' people who oppose them. Communism, Socialism, Democracies; the labels don't matter, the results do.
Does Apple or Microsoft allow end users the ability to easily 'root' their devices or even offer their code to the community, like ViewSonic has? If not, are they communist-like?
ViewSonic has created a truly bad UI. That's because they're not in the UI business and unfortunately have made several bad choices. Do you really believe they wanted to take back all those devices and receive the bad press? They have paid for those choices in market-share and reputation, just as the free market demands.
Further, they have responded to recent user demands and have in the past released their code, which allows the 'capitalism' on XDA you cheer about. Without code, you can have no choice. Without Nvidia releasing their drivers, Gingerbread will be doomed not to have hardware acceleration. If they don't release their code, is Nvidia communist-like?
A truly Authoritarian company would not have responded to the emails, tweets and phone calls of average users and they certainly wouldn't have offered any code or tried to deal with the users on this forum.
Try getting that response from Apple or Microsoft.
What you are witnessing in ViewSonic is not some take on Communism, but the typical results of a business that merely 'rebrands' merchandise with no real understanding of what the device does and more importantly what it should do.
It's no different than a company sending a job lot of talking Barbies to South America and not bothering to check if the dolls spoke English or Spanish. Bad research? Yes, but if I have razor thin profit margins, do I really invest more money into the hole I am already in or do I just fill it in and start digging somewhere else?
I guarantee you, someone looked at the numbers involved in this mess and decided to band-aid just enough to shut the community up, while positioning the community to help them push their next product.
You have to remember that for the average user and there are many on the board who have said so, the latest TNT UI, is 'good enough' and that's all ViewSonic needs to produce... Good enough.
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Not to turn this into a political thread, but we have never witnessed pure Communism.
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I completely agree. I was using the word communism to avoid this very thing... a political debate. That said, I was comparing one specific aspect of these communist/authoritarian/goo-gaga/hoogabooga (call it whatever you want) to what we're seeing in VS in regard to the gtab.
Everyone, including VS, knows that TapnTap UI simply is sluggish and doesn't do the gtab's hardware justice. And yet, VS continues to use the TapnTap UI.
It's like the 5 year plan on top of the 5 year plan that starved millions of people. Everyone knew that those plans never worked, and yet those communist/authoritarian/goo-gaga/hoogabooga (call it whatever you want) kept using those plans. Sure, they eventually improved upon those plans to a "good enough" state.
Does Apple or Microsoft allow end users the ability to easily 'root' their devices or even offer their code to the community, like ViewSonic has? If not, are they communist-like?
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No, but you're forgetting something. By law, VS had to release the source code under the GNU license. There have been companies completely liquidated because they broke this law.
ViewSonic has created a truly bad UI. That's because they're not in the UI business and unfortunately have made several bad choices. Do you really believe they wanted to take back all those devices and receive the bad press? They have paid for those choices in market-share and reputation, just as the free market demands.
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And again, I was comparing this one aspect of the whole gtab return rate fiasco to those communist/authoritarian/goo-gaga/hoogabooga (call it whatever you want) regimes. Do you think those regimes wanted to see millions of their people starve to death? And yet there they were kept making the same mistakes over and over. We're seeing the same damn thing with VS. They don't want to see those high return rates, and yet here we are with VS continuing to use TapnTap UI.
Further, they have responded to recent user demands and have in the past released their code, which allows the 'capitalism' on XDA you cheer about. Without code, you can have no choice. Without Nvidia releasing their drivers, Gingerbread will be doomed not to have hardware acceleration. If they don't release their code, is Nvidia communist-like?
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I've a different comparison to this one particular thing as well. The gtab to VS seems to be that one child that the parent wanted to become a doctor but then he ended up being an engineer so the parent is ashamed and doesn't want to mention him at gatherings. When it comes to it, the parent proclaims that he hasn't disowned his son. That said, he isn't fond of his son either.
The gtab is very popular because of the hardware. And yet VS continues to shy away from the device. They only mention it once or twice when they are pressured to do so by the community.
A truly Authoritarian company would not have responded to the emails, tweets and phone calls of average users and they certainly wouldn't have offered any code or tried to deal with the users on this forum.
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Oh, please, a truly anything wouldn't do a lot of things. A truly android tablet would have market right out of the box. A truly dog wouldn't eat vegatable (my dog last year went through and ate all my veg in the garden). A truly cat wouldn't come when you call it (my friend's cat comes when you call her). What's your point?
Try getting that response from Apple or Microsoft.
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I never said those companies don't resemble communist/authoritarian/goo-gaga/hoogabooga (call it whatever you want) in certain areas. Take windows vista, for example. To this day after update after update and service pack, it's still a piece of crap.
What you are witnessing in ViewSonic is not some take on Communism, but the typical results of a business that merely 'rebrands' merchandise with no real understanding of what the device does and more importantly what it should do.
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No, what I'm witnessing is you not seeing my point in comparing just one aspect of the matter and instead nitpick other things. For example, suppose I say "Like you, I need to use the bathroom on a daily basis." Imagine how annoyed I'd be if you respond with "But you're not like me because I was born here and you weren't." Sure, I can't dispute that, but that's not what I was talking about.
Ok guys.... let's get back to the topic of the OP or else we'll close this thread
I was quite happy with my stock G tablet until this latest update. Back to being sluggish at least on web surfing.
If this was Apple they would try to shame you for believing anything is even wrong.
Woah haha...we've digressed quite a bit eh. Anyway, i think Viewsonic or the OEM just contracted TapnTap to do this for the g tab. Can't really blame VS for everything -> if the startup was a little more capable, everything would be fine.
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Woah haha...we've digressed quite a bit eh. Anyway, i think Viewsonic or the OEM just contracted TapnTap to do this for the g tab. Can't really blame VS for everything -> if the startup was a little more capable, everything would be fine.
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Why can't we blame them for everything? They were the one who decided to put that terrible TapnTap UI. And even after that initial mass returns because of the sluggish UI performance, all they did to try to fix it was change all the later ones to classic view.
In engineering, we call this the no-common-sense engineer. Do something, see that it doesn't work, try to do it again and again and again.
Go ahead then.changes nothing though.
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Go ahead then.changes nothing though.
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I know it changes nothing. VS doesn't seem to feel bad about keep putting the TapnTap UI on there, so it doesn't matter what we think.
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I know it changes nothing. VS doesn't seem to feel bad about keep putting the TapnTap UI on there, so it doesn't matter what we think.
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There are plenty of tablets out there without the TapnTap, why do you stick with it?
As far I'm concern, that TapnTap makes the ViewSonic WAF capable tablet. I have mine on the Fidge and she can't live without it now. This is a great software, not perfect yet but lot more user friendly than the majority at this price tag. If we have a tablet today, it's because of TapnTap, that about it.
I feel you will be better served with an Android no name tablet that you can dismantle and hack the way you want.
Again, this tablet is not for you.
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There are plenty of tablets out there without the TapnTap, why do you stick with it?
As far I'm concern, that TapnTap makes the ViewSonic WAF capable tablet. I have mine on the Fidge and she can't live without it now. This is a great software, not perfect yet but lot more user friendly than the majority at this price tag. If we have a tablet today, it's because of TapnTap, that about it.
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And yet the high return rates because of TapnTap tells us otherwise. In this case, TapnTap decided to sacrifice speed and efficiency for the sake of user friendliness.
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And yet the high return rates because of TapnTap tells us otherwise. In this case, TapnTap decided to sacrifice speed and efficiency for the sake of user friendliness.
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like the "Evolution" of Windows....
I would love to know what you guys think about it http://androidmixer.com/t-mobile-g2x-review/
grammar really....
Good review anyway.
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grammar really....
Good review anyway.
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Thank for your feedback, I'm new to this. Can you be more specific please?
It was a good review. I would have like to see some of the games running and some data speed test.
Edit: Did not watch any of the videos. May have to do that. Ignore statement about the games.
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Great review man. Esp for being new to reviewing devices. Don't mind these people here. Anybody that doesn't talk proper, they think is ghetto. Funny thing is. I'm from the ghetto & probably smarter than a lot of people here.
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It was a good review. I would have like to see some of the games running and some data speed test.
Edit: Did not watch any of the videos. May have to do that. Ignore statement about the games.
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Thanks, I was planning on doing more games through the HDMI and I still might but YouTube has a bs 15 minute upload limit so I was trying to pack in a lot of stuff.
Edit: just seen the statement, let me know what you think. I'm not a public speaker but I know feedback will help me get better.
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Great review man. Esp for being new to reviewing devices. Don't mind these people here. Anybody that doesn't talk proper, they think is ghetto. Funny thing is. I'm from the ghetto & probably smarter than a lot of people here.
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I believe you are, people who make ignorant comments like that should be banned for life. That wasn't even a creative remark. Be original with your idiocracy lol
I was wondering the same thing. You have an accent but you were perfectly clear. Good job man. Great unboxing.
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I was wondering the same thing. You have an accent but you were perfectly clear. Good job man. Great unboxing.
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Thanks for your feedback, I did stumble a few times but I felt it was good as well.
Didn't know I had an accent, nice
I thought these guys were just being mean to you because I thought you were being off grammar on purpose to be funny or a little bit humurous like engadget but look
"We was lucky enough to spend a nice amount of time with the T-Mobile G2x. in our time with this device found ourselves to be more and more impressed with the handset. It can take anything you throw at it and ask for more. It performed every tasked we tossed at it without a hitch and it did so with mind blowing speed."
Obviously it should be we were lucky enough and instead of uncapitalized start of new sentence with "in our time" instead of "In our time" and also "it performed every tasked..." Should be task
All of this adds up together to look like you don't care if people understand you or not so that is why they are saying ghetto talk.
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I believe you are, people who make ignorant comments like that should be banned for life. That wasn't even a creative remark. Be original with your idiocracy lol
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LOL! Exactly! Offer constructive criticism. Ways the review could be better. Not a stupid comment like. "You sound ghetto."
That's what's wrong with the world now. That's another topic though... Great review man. Can't wait to pick this phone up tomorrow!
Nice review! Don't give any of the grammar/ghetto remarks any weight. You speak and write better than a lot of the paid bloggers at some of the more popular Android sites.
I like the fact that you broke the various tours/reviews out into separate videos. It's easier (for me) to take them in small increments when I have time than to try to digest a 15-minute review. And I'm definitely happier with your software/multimedia reviews. Lots of others simply flip through the app drawer and the browser, like that tells me how the phone really performs.
Maybe it's just me but I'd like to see the output of "mount" and "df" so I can gauge how the storage is laid out and what's mounted where (and how). That may be beyond the scope of what you're trying to show.
Other than that, I have to say it's probably one fo the most thorough reviews I've seen. Good, no, excellent job!
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I thought these guys were just being mean to you because I thought you were being off grammar on purpose to be funny or a little bit humurous like engadget but look
"We was lucky enough to spend a nice amount of time with the T-Mobile G2x. in our time with this device found ourselves to be more and more impressed with the handset. It can take anything you throw at it and ask for more. It performed every tasked we tossed at it without a hitch and it did so with mind blowing speed."
Obviously it should be we were lucky enough and instead of uncapitalized start of new sentence with "in our time" instead of "In our time" and also "it performed every tasked..." Should be task
All of this adds up together to look like you don't care if people understand you or not so that is why they are saying ghetto talk.
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Thank you for pointing this out. Feedback like this what I was asking for. I'll fix those now.
The ghetto comment was from one idiot, I'm sure there are tons of people from the "ghetto" that posses proper grammer.
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Nice review! Don't give any of the grammar/ghetto remarks any weight. You speak and write better than a lot of the paid bloggers at some of the more popular Android sites.
I like the fact that you broke the various tours/reviews out into separate videos. It's easier (for me) to take them in small increments when I have time than to try to digest a 15-minute review. And I'm definitely happier with your software/multimedia reviews. Lots of others simply flip through the app drawer and the browser, like that tells me how the phone really performs.
Maybe it's just me but I'd like to see the output of "mount" and "df" so I can gauge how the storage is laid out and what's mounted where (and how). That may be beyond the scope of what you're trying to show.
Other than that, I have to say it's probably one fo the most thorough reviews I've seen. Good, no, excellent job!
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Thank you very much, it is greatly appreciated. BTW I worked for one of the most popular Android blog site for a year. In fact, I was the senior editor when I left. We're picking up steam on my blog and I consider it in the top ten of Android blogs now.
props for the review good job
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Ghetto?? wow your ignorant. I've never lived in the ghetto in my life and I am college educated. Thanks for the feedback though
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Well, you do live in Taylortucky. Just kidding. Nice review. Were those pics taken outside of the Northville store? I thought the PF Changs and Bravo looked familiar.
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Well, you do live in Taylortucky. Just kidding. Nice review. Were those pics taken outside of the Northville store? I thought the PF Changs and Bravo looked familiar.
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Lol, you right, that is what it's called. But I don't live in the country area, I'm moving to the Citation Club in your area next month. We'll be neighbors.
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Thank for your feedback, I'm new to this. Can you be more specific please?
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Welcome everyone to AndroidMixer’s first device review. We were lucky enough to spend a nice amount of time with the T-Mobile G2x. In our time with this device found ourselves to be more and more impressed with the handset. It can take anything you throw at it and ask for more. It performed every tasked we tossed at it without a hitch and it did so with mind blowing speed. When you think of Android you don’t immediately think LG but after this review you might have a different view on this phone and the direction it could lead the company in the future.
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Welcome everyone to AndroidMixer’s first device review. We were lucky enough to spend a nice amount of time with the T-Mobile G2x. During our days tesiting this device, we found ourselves to be more and more impressed with the handset. It can take anything you throw at it and ask for more. It performed every task we tossed at it without a hitch...and it did so with mind blowing speed. When you think of Android, you don’t immediately think LG. However after this review, you might find yourself holding a different perspective on this phone, and the direction it could lead the company in the future.
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Welcome everyone to AndroidMixer’s first device review. We were lucky enough to spend a nice amount of time with the T-Mobile G2x. During our days tesiting this device, we found ourselves to be more and more impressed with the handset. It can take anything you throw at it and ask for more. It performed every task we tossed at it without a hitch...and it did so with mind blowing speed. When you think of Android, you don’t immediately think LG. However after this review, you might find yourself holding a different perspective on this phone, and the direction it could lead the company in the future.
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Excellent wordage, I'd expect nothing less from a mod. Overall, how do you think I did? From 1 to 10 what would you give it?
It's a solid 7. A little word switching / punctuation checking could easily make it a 10. Very thorough and comprehensive. I'll be doing my own unboxing of the device later on this week (no reviews from me ). Just purchased today.
Hi all,
I have been a member of XDA since 2009 starting with a WM6.1 Samsung Omnia and then becoming a HUGE Android fan. I have much respect for all of the great DEV's here and for the community in general and as such but I would like to see your opinions on the following...
After being here for so long and seeing so many different issues with so many different devices...
Do you think that Manufacturers release devices that are "sub par" or "incomplete" (per say) on purpose because they know that there are MANY Developers out here and on other forums that will essentially fix these "shortcomings" for almost nothing?
What do you think? Please vote AND leave a reply for discussion.
Thanks...
I think they do so they can bang phones phones out quickly to increase their revenues faster.
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I think they do so they can bang phones phones out quickly to increase their revenues faster.
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I agree with this
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I think they do so they can bang phones phones out quickly to increase their revenues faster.
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I agree with this also. That was my point to this thread. It does not seem very professional to me however especially since these Manufaturers are now essentially sitting back and waiting for DEV's to finish or fix their software, etc...
There's nothing wrong with the devices, at least not all the time.
On Verizon the majority of issues are a result of all the bloatware and unnecessary processes that they set up the phones to run. Certainly Blur and Touchwhiz and what not don't help, but I don't think they're the major culprits. Roms sitting on top of them often run with few to no issues.
It's the carriers, not the manufacturers.
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There's nothing wrong with the devices, at least not all the time.
On Verizon the majority of issues are a result of all the bloatware and unnecessary processes that they set up the phones to run. Certainly Blur and Touchwhiz and what not don't help, but I don't think they're the major culprits. Roms sitting on top of them often run with few to no issues.
It's the carriers, not the manufacturers.
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I agree with you on that but what about things like "the volume is too low", or "bad screen colour" and other defects like that? There are DEV's (Supercurio for example) who essentially take these types of issues and "fix" them essentially for free. Why cant the Manufacturers (Samsung in this particular example) just ensure that these issues are caught in the QA/QC stages before they ship their devices?
Dont get me wrong... I as a USER think its FANTASTIC that we have devoted DEV's that will do this for us but I also feel that it is the Manufacturers responsibility to ensure their products meet specific quality standards before they put their devices up for sale.
Well the case doesn't really apply to the sgs 2.
But I do wish we could get full sources.
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Well, things like screen color issues definitely seem to be symptoms of a rush job. I don't understand how so many RAZRs could have green screens on low brightness and problems getting stuck in landscape and it was never noticed unless it got rushed out. Things like that should definitely be caught and corrected in the testing phase.
Fewer devices, more focus for the win.
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I agree with this also. That was my point to this thread. It does not seem very professional to me however especially since these Manufaturers are now essentially sitting back and waiting for DEV's to finish or fix their software, etc...
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Yes I agree, they sit back raking it in and put all there work into marketing more than the product while leaving the real work to the volunteers to put the missing pieces of the puzzle together.
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I feel the manufacturers leave issues so they can push their new phones as "fixes".
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OF Course! they just want to make quick money and most dont support their phone after a while.
I strongly believe they do! I can only imagine the amount of money they save not having to worry about the little things.
"Ohh you have problem XYZ with this device, well here we are three months later with a newer version with a fix for that. Now I know that it takes a lot longer then three months to get a phone ready and out the door but just take it from us we we able to do it..."
I see some people definitely agree with me on this. Keep the opinions coming...
I don't think they release incomplete devices. I feel as if they need to just push the device out on schedule, and if its complete great, if not, of well.
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KayxGee1 said:
I don't think they release incomplete devices. I feel as if they need to just push the device out on schedule, and if its complete great, if not, of well.
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Doesn't that seem a bit "shady" though? And why do we as consumers keep on gobbling up these "defective" (some yes, some no) items and never do anything about it?
Ill be the first to admit it... When there is a new device out and I want it... I GET IT on impulse but still... for upwards of $600.00 per device that has ANY KIND of deficiency seems completely wrong for the manufacturers to be selling...
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I thought up of a intresting idea here and I want everyone to bare with me as it may have been suggested.
Now I know there are alot of talented developers onhere but how about hardware engineers? If we have hardware engineers, I think XDA could produce a (mainly technically and oriented towards a XDA audience) phone using Kickstarter. For me, this idea is based off Ouya; The Android gaming console. That project raised 8 million dollars and is being preordered at 99 dollars. A XDA phone would be a lot more expensive (as there is no way in hell it would raise 8 million and the phone has touchscreen) but would just be so complete. I imagine XDA completly wanting every single function inside the phone.
The only catch would be that this is a phone "as-is". Meaning the only tech support you get is from the forums and there is no quality control to make sure all batches are 100%. Think of it as those chinese knockoffs but with a real good site/forum behind it.
What do you guys think?
I cant believe that noone is even remotely intrested in this....
Compared to Ouya, designing a smartphone is way more complicated process -> you need to spend more resources on development -> price goes up -> you'll end up with product much more expensive than high end phones.
Also Ouya is let's say "universal". In case of smathphone you have to make choices between different screen sizes, battery life vs dimensions/weight etc. In the end, you won't be able to satisfy everyone needs. So, even though there are a lot of great projects funded by Kickstarter, I think this one wouldn't be successful, but that's just my opinion.
qubas said:
Compared to Ouya, designing a smartphone is way more complicated process -> you need to spend more resources on development -> price goes up -> you'll end up with product much more expensive than high end phones.
Also Ouya is let's say "universal". In case of smathphone you have to make choices between different screen sizes, battery life vs dimensions/weight etc. In the end, you won't be able to satisfy everyone needs. So, even though there are a lot of great projects funded by Kickstarter, I think this one wouldn't be successful, but that's just my opinion.
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I disagree with some of your first points. I think indeed its more complicated and expensive but, if there is enough demand and preorders, I dont think the product will end up being more expensive than a high end phone (granted around with a S3 and/or a iPhone, the initial batches)
Obviously the choice would be made by the majority of the XDA memberbase; Priotories, 3.7 vs 4.3 screens, battery size, etc would be decided by its memberbase. This would take time of course Im not saying lets just do it and in a month have the phone: No. A ideal poll: "Choose: 3.7 with 2500mAh or 4.3 with 1800mAh" And thats it. And we see what the majority of XDA members perfer (since we cannot have both, for realistic and budget proposes).
I think what XDA should do is research it first: Research is free as it is putting polls on websites and listening to feedback. If there is not enough feedback, thats it; Nothing spent except time. Now if there is enough intresting, well........
Another thing that would be intresting (and also dividing costs) is to work with the Cyanogenmod team. They are argueably the biggest ROM making team currently and would really help out on the software side.
XDA should at least try it.....If it fails, hey thats it....
Like I mentioned I am surprised there isnt even a min of intrest in this at all........
The main problem is getting agreement as to what will be built. Another forum I'm on is wanting to do a project like this but it is a much smaller community so it will be far easier to get a consensus. If this isn't done correctly it could end up getting drawn out forever with nothing ever coming of it.
in china you can buy an MTK "package" for peanuts and put up your brand of phones in days, without basically any work other than designing the shell - and they are pretty sweet phones, 6577 onew are nice and 6589 are nearing top-class phones at bargaining price.
I dont think you can trumph that without huge resources.
It's not as easy as picking out a cpu, a gpu, storage rom etc. and just connecting them to a board. You're going to end up with a piece of crap because no two people can agree on the same things in a forum. This has never been done, and for good reason. Let's leave the hardware up to the billion dollar companies who know what they're doing, not some kid who runs a vBulletin forum and has eclipse installed on his ubuntu computer.
All the engineers on xda live far away from each other, so every developer needs to get a protype and that is going to be expensive as hell
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in china you can buy an MTK "package" for peanuts and put up your brand of phones in days, without basically any work other than designing the shell - and they are pretty sweet phones, 6577 onew are nice and 6589 are nearing top-class phones at bargaining price.
I dont think you can trumph that without huge resources.
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A search would have told you that this has already been talked about before.
As for the post above. If it was to happen it would not be with parts from china. If anything came of it we would use a trusted sources. While the the budget parts are cheap. With tech you get what you pay for. A good phone is not cheap and a cheap phone is no good.
As for working with CM. That is not out of the question but I don't think we would use anything more then pure AOSP code. CM edits too much for it to be the base.
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Yeah I have to agree. Xda phone is not a good idea.
Something that represents xda would be great like the cases they did with cruzerlite.
Edit: I don't know if you can kick start software stuff but how about xda software that its compatible with alot of android phones. This way the site still gets traffic from different Samsung and Motorola,etc users and only true fans can run it. Since android runs off Linux maybe someone can make XdaMod that runs off the new Ubuntu. Only thing is that these devs would need to be very generous because no one would pay for a ROM.
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It's not as easy as picking out a cpu, a gpu, storage rom etc. and just connecting them to a board. You're going to end up with a piece of crap because no two people can agree on the same things in a forum. This has never been done, and for good reason. Let's leave the hardware up to the billion dollar companies who know what they're doing, not some kid who runs a vBulletin forum and has eclipse installed on his ubuntu computer.
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Once again, a poll would be made and the mayority would choose. Its not about two or three people deciding.
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A search would have told you that this has already been talked about before.
As for the post above. If it was to happen it would not be with parts from china. If anything came of it we would use a trusted sources. While the the budget parts are cheap. With tech you get what you pay for. A good phone is not cheap and a cheap phone is no good.
As for working with CM. That is not out of the question but I don't think we would use anything more then pure AOSP code. CM edits too much for it to be the base.
Wayne Tech S-III
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Well, if it has been talked about and working with CM is not out of the question, why not just make a actual thread and front page about it and see how much intrest it generates? Maybe there is a market for it...
If there isnt intent, its obvious that we will never see even if it generates intrest.
Just my 2c - In order to satisfy all the people you would need a line of products
Some like big screens, some not.
Some require hardware keyboards, some not.
Some like huge internal memory, some not.
Some like powerful quad processors, some not.
Some like bigger battery traded for bigger phone, some not.
Compromise would be unappealing to majority.
No excuses now:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/forumdisplay.php?f=2666
Futuremark makers of 3DMark have delisted the Galaxy Note 3 from results along with the HTC One on suspicion of attempts to manipulate their score.. more info here
I can't say I'm surprised after Samsung were caught out last time and make some feeble excuse via their PR people. However this time they have fallen foul of the leading bench-marking company around and broken very clear and publicly published rules though Futuremark haven't said specifically which rule they broke.
androidizen said:
Futuremark makers of 3DMark have delisted the Galaxy Note 3 from results along with the HTC One on suspicion of attempts to manipulate their score.. more info here
I can't say I'm surprised after Samsung were caught out last time and make some feeble excuse via their PR people. However this time they have fallen foul of the leading bench-marking company around and broken very clear and publicly published rules though Futuremark haven't said specifically which rule they broke.
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benchmarking = teenagers comparing the length of their .....
So who really cares...
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benchmarking = teenagers comparing the length of their .....
So who really cares...
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I agree but sadly a large number of average users still use them, I get asked all the time to provide benchmarks for new devices even after explaining why they are junk results.
androidizen said:
I agree but sadly a large number of average users still use them, I get asked all the time to provide benchmarks for new devices even after explaining why they are junk results.
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yes, I know....I can't tell you how often I heard things like that: "....ohhh, my device is faster and smoother after this update, but my benchmarking is worse...I can't live with that..."
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yes, I know....I can't tell you how often I heard things like that: "....ohhh, my device is faster and smoother after this update, but my benchmarking is worse...I can't live with that..."
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Lol I know what you mean, still what ever Futuremark have seen in the results must of been enough to declare an unfair advantage in the stock Hardware and Firmware both corps are using.. ive got emails in with both companies for a response.