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Recently, I contacted Asus about the issues that we have seen since the JB update. Since I support a number of these tablets for clients, I have had lots of backlash since the update. I emailed Tien and Gary about what advice they could provide when dealing with these units. I have included the last response that I got from him that addresses factory resets and cold booting, as well as a method he recommends for installing software after a reset:
"Hi Jordan,
There are people out there who believe doing multiple factory resets works, but I do not think so. Once a device has been reset, there is no user data left on there. Everything is back to factory. There should be no way data can be conflicting. Restoring a device that has nothing on it in the first place would not make a difference. However, multiple cold-boots do seem to help. Start with a factory reset and then as you reload your data back on (apps, media, e-mail, ect), cold-boot after something has been loaded on. For example, once and app or 2 has been reloaded, cold-boot the device before you load another app. This is the same for new app s being downloaded also. You want to keep the cache clear as much as possible.
I understand that a firmware update, or even news of a firmware update would be a lot easier, but again, I apologize as I do not have that kind of information. HQ releases the updates, and for the most part, they are pretty tight-lipped about them.
Sending in a bunch of units might not the best solution - you are right. I would try cold-boots u for now. JB is still new and there are definitely some things that need to be worked out with it on the TF700. I would give them some more time to deliver a solution.
Tien"
I have yet to try this process on my tab, maybe someone will beat me to it. Hope this information helps someone out there.
The issues that I reported are:
1. Graphics related issues that show as a flicker of the top 1/3rd (sometimes the entire) screen while in landscape, also a line of black pixels flashes for a moment on that same part of the screen. I have seen this in many apps at this point including the stock browser and in the XDA developers premium app. It seems unrelated to the application since I have seen reports of it on the desktop. (this is driving our users crazy- need a fix quickly!)
2. Backspace key is not respected in many applications if the asus keyboard is enabled. There are lots of examples on xda but this worked in ICS and now, does not.
3. The auto screen dimmer does not work properly and will dim, and not increase brightness when tapped. It also seems much more distracting and does not dim as gracefully as before(I know it can be disabled).
4. When docked, a Bluetooth keyboard that is paired with the device, will not function. A usb keyboard will work, but it is odd that Bluetooth keyboards will allow no input at all while docked.
5. Crash of the device with a white screen- have seen this 3 times.
6. Wifi direct removal is a major disappointment as many users had a need for this functionality.
This is good information, thanks. The only real change I have witness that's a problem is Google navigation freezing or rebooting the TF700 during trips longer than a few minutes. Intermittent problem but it has happened on three separate trips.
I'm getting the occasional black lit screen crash/freeze
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6. Wifi direct removal is a major disappointment as many users had a need for this functionality.
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Not sure where you are seeing this. Wifi Direct was not removed with JB. In fact, I noticed it performs much better.
The option for sending a file via WiFi direct is avialable under the share options. If you are looking for it directly under the settings menu, it was just moved to a different place (not an ASUS thing.....it was moved by Google). Go under Settings -> Wifi and click on the menu button to access it (3 dots in the lower right hand corner).
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Not sure where you are seeing this. Wifi Direct was not removed with JB. In fact, I noticed it performs much better.
The option for sending a file via WiFi direct is avialable under the share options. If you are looking for it directly under the settings menu, it was just moved to a different place (not an ASUS thing.....it was moved by Google). Go under Settings -> Wifi and click on the menu button to access it (3 dots in the lower right hand corner).
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Thanks for that! I had a couple of users who complained that it was not there. I emailed them to let them know it how to access it, they appreciate it.
--Would have been nice if Tien had mentioned it-- ya think?
Never even tried that feature and assumed it was removed since Asus listed it as a feature that would be removed with the update. I get it now.... they removed their custom support of it in favor of the stock android setup.
Kind of funny that an update announcement was posted today, I have been back and forth with them quite a bit in the last couple of weeks and the last email I sent to Tien and Gary said this:
"Unless you have a newer firmware with some of these issues resolved, I am not
sure how offering to send them to you will do any good....
Please let Gary know that this is effecting companies that have purchased over 50 of
these tablets at a time. We need resolution!"
Maybe I got his attention. I have to support these tablets, and so does Asus, they are an international company that is trying desperately to be THE go to hardware partner for cutting edge tech. Partnerships with the big G and M$ are evidence of that. I hope they realize that this is a defining year for them, either they will get their support in order or they will fold under the pressure of the added user base.
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The issues that I reported are:
1. Graphics related issues that show as a flicker of the top 1/3rd (sometimes the entire) screen while in landscape, also a line of black pixels flashes for a moment on that same part of the screen. I have seen this in many apps at this point including the stock browser and in the XDA developers premium app. It seems unrelated to the application since I have seen reports of it on the desktop. (this is driving our users crazy- need a fix quickly!)
2. Backspace key is not respected in many applications if the asus keyboard is enabled. There are lots of examples on xda but this worked in ICS and now, does not.
3. The auto screen dimmer does not work properly and will dim, and not increase brightness when tapped. It also seems much more distracting and does not dim as gracefully as before(I know it can be disabled).
4. When docked, a Bluetooth keyboard that is paired with the device, will not function. A usb keyboard will work, but it is odd that Bluetooth keyboards will allow no input at all while docked.
5. Crash of the device with a white screen- have seen this 3 times.
6. Wifi direct removal is a major disappointment as many users had a need for this functionality.
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On top of these i have:
1. Random reboots,
2. Wifi drops out and fails to reconnect or slows down to be unusable state
Well if looks like some of the issues have been resolved but some still remain. Has anyone had time to try the method tien suggested in my op? Unfortunately i have not gotten time.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda premium
jordanmw said:
Well if looks like some of the issues have been resolved but some still remain. Has anyone had time to try the method tien suggested in my op? Unfortunately i have not gotten time.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda premium
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I also don't have the time to try, but I have my own share of doubt regarding these suggestion. Cold-booting my device after loading one or 2 apps is just too much of a hassle and I doubt that it provides any practical benefit. My friend's Nexus 7 haven't been turned off for weeks and I don't see any slow down or problems. The same thing can be said about my phone as well. I know they are different devices, but I don't think Google designs Android in such a way that you need to restart your device every time you install a new app.
Overall, I believe all of the problems above can only be fixed with OTA updates, and no amount of cold-boot or factory reset can fix it. I might be wrong, but it is just my opinion.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. Maybe someone will benefit from this discussion.
Since nobody has tried this method, I guess I will give it a shot today. Of course I have major doubts that this will actually work but if Tien said that there is some benefit, I have to at least try it. He is one of the only reps at asus that has ever given us any real help with the TF series.
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I also don't have the time to try, but I have my own share of doubt regarding these suggestion. Cold-booting my device after loading one or 2 apps is just too much of a hassle and I doubt that it provides any practical benefit. My friend's Nexus 7 haven't been turned off for weeks and I don't see any slow down or problems. The same thing can be said about my phone as well. I know they are different devices, but I don't think Google designs Android in such a way that you need to restart your device every time you install a new app.
Overall, I believe all of the problems above can only be fixed with OTA updates, and no amount of cold-boot or factory reset can fix it. I might be wrong, but it is just my opinion.
Anyway, thanks for sharing. Maybe someone will benefit from this discussion.
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Seriously? You think cold booting is a hassle? My friend it takes an extra second of hold the power down button when turning your tablet on. Come on stop lazy. Also if the op isn't blowing smoke, then these suggestions are directly from asus, so why would they lie? I personally have seen a huge benefit from cold booting after a couple of app installations. I do it anyways because i do like to keep my cache clear.
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Seriously? You think cold booting is a hassle? My friend it takes an extra second of hold the power down button when turning your tablet on. Come on stop lazy.
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If a computer requires regular cold booting to work properly, it is defective. A Linux-based system should be able to reach uptimes measured in years (theoretically, if no updates were required).
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Seriously? You think cold booting is a hassle? My friend it takes an extra second of hold the power down button when turning your tablet on. Come on stop lazy. Also if the op isn't blowing smoke, then these suggestions are directly from asus, so why would they lie? I personally have seen a huge benefit from cold booting after a couple of app installations. I do it anyways because i do like to keep my cache clear.
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Seriously? If you buy this expensive gadget you shouldn't be doing extra hussle like cold booting after installing an app or two. It should work without. This is the only Android device with this kind of problems. Not sure if this is some kind of memory leak or what is going on. Still its interesting that for example on Galaxy S 3 even beta roms work better than these official ones from Asus.
Asus designs beautiful units, then manufactures them with horrible QC and finally don't seem to know much about software optimizing.
Finally got around to trying this process.... Maybe I installed too many apps at one time since after the first few installs, i was doing more than 2 in some cases. No difference doing this method over factory reset. I am going to contact them again today with feedback from the process and latest update.
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Finally got around to trying this process.... Maybe I installed too many apps at one time since after the first few installs, i was doing more than 2 in some cases. No difference doing this method over factory reset. I am going to contact them again today with feedback from the process and latest update.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda premium
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I can't say that I'm surprised, but I really appreciate your effort. Thanks for sharing.
To be honest the response seemed like a "SYA" response that was so far fetched and so much hassle you wouldn't bother to try it and they could push your issues aside.
I find it funny that they claim "Jellybean is still new..." when it has been out in the wild since around July or earlier. That seems like plenty of time to get the software optimized for your flagship device(s). If you want my honest opinion, the TF700 was placed on the back burner a little bit because of the Nexus 7 that Asus and Google partnered up for. That took priority but I do find it odd that the hardware in the Nexus 7 almost mirrors the TF700, yet the Nexus 7 does not exhibit the same odd behavior or issues we are experiencing (some of us anyway) on the TF700.
I must be one of the blessed ones because I'm not experiencing all the issues that are mentioned here. I had the hardware issue of screen flex and bent adapter port, but other than that and getting a replacement I'm pleased. I actually considered getting a galaxy note 10.1, but just knew I wouldn't be satisfied with the display. The screen is the major aspect of a tablet and you really can't find a replacement at this time for the full HD of the tf 700. I have noticed that my pad is running really well after the last update and I'm really happy I didn't go with the note. I'm totally stock and not rooted. I may root one day if needed and there is a method that doesn't void the warranty by using the bootloader (if there is please let me know...I'd love to use titanium backup with root).
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app
I upgraded to JB and I can not connect to my galaxy s2 wifi hotspot. Any idea of solution..?
Thanks for your answers.
KaliS-Pugilist said:
I must be one of the blessed ones because I'm not experiencing all the issues that are mentioned here. I had the hardware issue of screen flex and bent adapter port, but other than that and getting a replacement I'm pleased. I actually considered getting a galaxy note 10.1, but just knew I wouldn't be satisfied with the display. The screen is the major aspect of a tablet and you really can't find a replacement at this time for the full HD of the tf 700. I have noticed that my pad is running really well after the last update and I'm really happy I didn't go with the note. I'm totally stock and not rooted. I may root one day if needed and there is a method that doesn't void the warranty by using the bootloader (if there is please let me know...I'd love to use titanium backup with root).
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using XDA Premium HD app
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Root does not require you to unlock the boot loader.
KaliS-Pugilist said:
I'm totally stock and not rooted. I may root one day if needed and there is a method that doesn't void the warranty by using the bootloader (if there is please let me know...I'd love to use titanium backup with root).
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ICS can be rooted easily even with the locked bootloader. If you are already on JB, follow the guide to downgrade to ICS 9.x.x.30, root using the debugfs method, use OTA Rootkeeper, and then apply the OTA to JB.
I absolutly loved my TF 700 the last months. But it seems its getting slower and slower. Doing some slow background data transfer with 100-200kb/s and you cant work anymore. Switching between apps takes too long, the browser reacts awfully and every couple of seconds the "would you like to close the app?" screen.
Im so pissed right now. Is Asus ever going to remove the Issue and the awfully black stripe on the screen?
If I could I would return the tablet but I have to stick with it...
Can u install the clearmod without changing the bootloader? Can u still recieve updates? If yes I will try that if nothing changes till new year.
TO ASUS: F*** you!
UPDATE:
Yes I did factory reset, wipe and exchanged the tablet for mechanical problems. This is a major problem with most tablets.
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I absolutly loved my TF 700 the last months. But it seems its getting slower and slower. Doing some slow background data transfer with 100-200kb/s and you cant work anymore. Switching between apps takes too long, the browser reacts awfully and every couple of seconds the "would you like to close the app?" screen.
Im so pissed right now. Is Asus ever going to remove the Issue and the awfully black stripe on the screen?
If I could I would return the tablet but I have to stick with it...
Can u install the clearmod without changing the bootloader?
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Nope.
Can u still recieve updates?
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Nope
If yes I will try that if nothing changes till new year.
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What makes you think it will?
TO ASUS: F*** you!
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When referring to stock shipping state: slightly agreed.
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Yes I did factory reset, wipe and exchanged the tablet for mechanical problems. This is a major problem with most tablets.
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Agreed. Do yourself a favor and unlock the 700, and install CleanROM. World of difference, and only minor risk involved. Really!
I agree. Install cleanrom and it will be night and day. Check out the post your benchmarks thread.
Uh oh!
Another Ooooo mommy I got a boo-boo thread
Not to pi55 on people's CleanROM parade here, but a reminder that my Infinity died a sudden death after only two months on Friday. All unlocking suggestions should be appended with a 'must buy extra warranty' note, what with such awful QC in Asusland.
usern ameisval idandnot said:
I absolutly loved my TF 700 the last months. But it seems its getting slower and slower. Doing some slow background data transfer with 100-200kb/s and you cant work anymore. Switching between apps takes too long, the browser reacts awfully and every couple of seconds the "would you like to close the app?" screen.
Im so pissed right now. Is Asus ever going to remove the Issue and the awfully black stripe on the screen?
If I could I would return the tablet but I have to stick with it...
Can u install the clearmod without changing the bootloader? Can u still recieve updates? If yes I will try that if nothing changes till new year.
TO ASUS: F*** you!
UPDATE:
Yes I did factory reset, wipe and exchanged the tablet for mechanical problems. This is a major problem with most tablets.
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I had the same experience after the last update, BUT then rolled back to .30 and re-updated using the DLPKGFILE method and now things are much better. Browser still acts a little wonky now and then but it doesn't seem to be IO related as background downloads have little effect on overall performance.
I'll second the last post, while cleanrom seems to be amazing from reports, there have been too many reports of bricking trying to reboot to recovery for me to give up my Warranty.
Choice of nand aside I think this tablet is great and qc is no worse than any other tablet out there. I looked at the samsung windows 8 tab the other day and it felt like a cheap POS compared to the infinity.
So I finally installed Clean Rom with Fsync -> disabled.Stock kernel and launcher, no changes and no wipe/factory reset. Before that I was about to eat my TF700 alive
Now it feels like it is another new rocking tablet. Everything is so smooth and works so fast. Apps open in 2 seconds where it needed 5 before. Browsing works almost as fast as on my desktop pc. The new surface is much better than the one provided by Asus
But if somehow you get one that should've failed QC and you unlocked the thing...
Then just give some time to settle. Look for little defects or signs that you may of gotten a lemon before unlocking, bad screen, buttons etc.
I've only had mine for two weeks, still on the OTA 4.1 JB. Yeah its a little hicups at times, but overall i think its very smooth, games play pretty good.
I'm just waiting for a bit to make sure its stable as a rock and everything is looking good before I unlock it.
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So I finally installed Clean Rom with Fsync -> disabled.Stock kernel and launcher, no changes and no wipe/factory reset. Before that I was about to eat my TF700 alive
Now it feels like it is another new rocking tablet. Everything is so smooth and works so fast. Apps open in 2 seconds where it needed 5 before. Browsing works almost as fast as on my desktop pc. The new surface is much better than the one provided by Asus
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So CleanROM sorts out absolutely everything on the tablet? Do you need to put on the IO fix onto an SD Card as well?
It is optional. I didnt do it. If there is an offer on SD Cards I will do it later on for even more speed.
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So CleanROM sorts out absolutely everything on the tablet? Do you need to put on the IO fix onto an SD Card as well?
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A reply in another thread he still has the occasional lag even after using cleanrom
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what he said
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Of course that does not happen all the time, otherwise I would have thrown my TF700 out of the window already, but it happens too often to not notice. And that is already after unlocking (voiding warranty) and installing CleanROM. Trying to use some Data-to-SD solution failed because the MicroSD interface is unreliable (at least with my SanDisk 32 GB UHS-1 card) and hangs after some time or produces lots of I/O errors in the log.
Do not buy this tablet if you want a mostly problem-free device.
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I have to agree with the op...... i would add that my browser was much improved after JB but since has ground to a mind numbing lag when i first open pages. Scrolling while the page opens (and stalls) brings a FC message. Ive cleared cache, cold reboot, etc.... stock browser is still garbage. Too bad browsing is such a drag on this product. My old Mytouch 4G kicks the S**T out of this tired, tired tab.... lol, turbo-fail!
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I have applied the new update and i think it may have sped the situation up a bit.....that is, the lag when I load a page has lessened to some degree... not disappeared.....now we shall see if it slows down again...
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I bought mine 1 week back with lot of hopes and expectations. I did see posts about IO issue here, but I thought it wouldn't bother me much. But I am extremely disappointed. It lags really badly whenever I try to download something. Right now, I am looking for reasons not to return it. I would have already returned it, but I don't really like going to UPS and do the shipping.
Please advice me...Should I wait hoping that Asus will fix this, or return it and get Nexus 10 or Surface? I am on the latest 4.1.1 Asus original firmware.
Yeah, if you plan on downloading something or just transferring files on/off it you better just do it and let it be. Multi tasking is impossible in those situations.
Custom ROMs change that much?
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Yeah, if you plan on downloading something or just transferring files on/off it you better just do it and let it be. Multi tasking is impossible in those situations.
Custom ROMs change that much?
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That's sad. I guess I don't have any other options.
just do it
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That's sad. I guess I don't have any other options.
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i dont know about you guys but i love my tf700 ... now!
at first, yeh i was a bit (a lot) disapointed, but now... runnin cromi and on/off with clemsyn/stock kernel it is a beast!
i have an oc'd gs2 also which is an animal... and all thanks to custom roms and tweaks and rooting!
imho: unlock,root,cromi the biatch,some d2sd action and block ads with adaway and browsing/gaming/etc is awsum!
just did it
snypa said:
i dont know about you guys but i love my tf700 ... now!
at first, yeh i was a bit (a lot) disapointed, but now... runnin cromi and on/off with clemsyn/stock kernel it is a beast!
i have an oc'd gs2 also which is an animal... and all thanks to custom roms and tweaks and rooting!
imho: unlock,root,cromi the biatch,some d2sd action and block ads with adaway and browsing/gaming/etc is awsum!
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For some reason, your post inspired me. Now, its running CROMI :highfive:
Not decided on d2sd though...
I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away? Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue? Will the overall system be snappier? Does it somehow fix the slow io?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.
If you feel this way, do it. But why? Are you missing apps?
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Why what, why do I want to unlock it? All the reasons I just outlined, it kinds a little annoying having to wait 5 seconds for the keyboard to pop up randomly, or the little stutters and halts when you browse as the page is loading. I just don't know for sure if there are ROMs out there that will take care of these for me, or if they fix the IO issue, or if that's even the culprit at all here.
I'm also running into a really annoying friggin typing issue here where it will double press keys, and when I go to backspace, it copies and pastes the word I'm trying to delete a line above where I am. I think it's only this forum, but it renders typing on the tablet here useless.
I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update). I now have a fully unbrickable, and fully flashable and downgradable tab. The biggest pain is that the updates don't work, but they can be downloaded from asus's website and flashed manually. Cleanrom as virtually free of the IO issue, and CM is slick all around.
Also try using an alternate keyboard such as swiftkey or hackers keyboard.
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I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update). I now have a fully unbrickable, and fully flashable and downgradable tab. The biggest pain is that the updates don't work, but they can be downloaded from asus's website and flashed manually. Cleanrom as virtually free of the IO issue, and CM is slick all around.
Also try using an alternate keyboard such as swiftkey or hackers keyboard.
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when you say free of the IO issue, have you tried transferring large files to the onboard storage (not SD)? iirc it was a hardware issue so no amount of software fix is going to fix it. IO issue != stuttering when browsing
Well, I'm pretty sure I'm going through with it, I'll probably wait a bit yet just to read up some more. I'll get the SquareTrade warranty with the 40% off coupon as soon as I figure out how to get the code just as a crutch/safety net, and I'm thinking of going with CleanROM Inheritance.
So, grabbed from David's thread earlier, this is the basic process:
Unlock
Reboot
Install Goo Manger
Install TWRP recovery
Reboot into recovery
Install ROM/Gapps
{PROFIT}!?
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Is there a thread somewhere that at least has screenshots as you start loading the ROMs, because I've never done that before and would like to just see what I'm going to be looking at first.
I was trying not to add in here...
As a one week old tablet owner I wouldn't let myself get drawn in too quickly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965214&highlight=warranty
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979655&highlight=warranty
The above threads talk about some bad luck.
I recommend trying another path to alleviate any minor performance issues.
Then again if you're compelled to to unlock and flash it is a great idea to read and read some more.
Spend some time learning about pitfalls and benefits.
I'm thinking one week is too soon.
That is unless you're very confident about tweaking.
*just a note:
Get familiar with some of the tools used for pushing updates outside of OTAs to your Android.
If not already...good luck!
Apologies about the long winded response...
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I was trying not add in here...
As a one week old tablet owner I wouldn't let myself get drawn in too quickly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965214&highlight=warranty
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979655&highlight=warranty
The above threads talk about some bad luck.
I recommend trying another path to alleviate any minor performance issues.
Then again if you're compelled to to unlock and flash it is a great idea to read and read some more.
Spend some time learning about pitfalls and benefits.
I'm thinking one week is too soon.
That is unless you're very confident about tweaking.
*just a note:
Get familiar with some of the tools used for pushing updates outside of OTAs to your Android.
If not already...good luck!
Apologies about the long winded response...
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I hear what you're saying, but the SquareTrade warranties will still apply to unlocked devices, won't they? I plan on getting the 2 year from them just in case the **** hits the fan, I can get 40% off the normal price which puts it below $60. I think I read something here about them honoring the warranty even if the tablet gets bricked.
As far as the "other paths", what would they include? I rooted and froze some of the bloatware on here, I wasn't aware of anything else that could be done without unlocking. I'm used to tweaking everything computer related, I've just never done this before so if there's a thread that has a step by step with pictures so I don't go in blind that would be good. Even without the screens I'd be alright, I'll be sure to read up about it more.
berfles said:
I hear what you're saying, but the SquareTrade warranties will still apply to unlocked devices, won't they? I plan on getting the 2 year from them just in case the **** hits the fan, I can get 40% off the normal price which puts it below $60. I think I read something here about them honoring the warranty even if the tablet gets bricked.
As far as the "other paths", what would they include? I rooted and froze some of the bloatware on here, I wasn't aware of anything else that could be done without unlocking. I'm used to tweaking everything computer related, I've just never done this before so if there's a thread that has a step by step with pictures so I don't go in blind that would be good. Even without the screens I'd be alright, I'll be sure to read up about it more.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDroidDemos/videos?query=tf700t
These vids from DroidDemos have helped me in the past.
You can also search the "TF201 and TF300T" vids on DD some of those procedures will be the same as the Infinity.
Other things to try would be stepping back to ICS from JB.
JellyBean has proven buggy for a number of tablet users.
Turning on GPU 2d rendering under settings.
Not using the stock browser try an alternative.
If your using the Asus keyboard try the original Android keyboard.
Use the Asus task manager to shut down recurring apps.
Turn down screen brightness.
Turn off Bluetooth.
Turn off GPS temporarily.
Good read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28427614&postcount=1
...and of course try the factory reset or wipe cache from a cold boot (Volume down + power button then do nothing and wait for reboot)
etc.
Now do some homework and have fun!
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDroidDemos/videos?query=tf700t
These vids from DroidDemos have helped me in the past.
You can also search the "TF201 and TF300T" vids on DD some of those procedures will be the same as the Infinity.
Other things to try would be stepping back to ICS from JB.
JellyBean has proven buggy for a number of tablet users.
Turning on GPU 2d rendering under settings.
Not using the stock browser try an alternative.
If your using the Asus keyboard try the original Android keyboard.
Use the Asus task manager to shut down recurring apps.
Turn down screen brightness.
Turn off Bluetooth.
Turn off GPS temporarily.
Good read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28427614&postcount=1
...and of course try the factory reset or wipe cache from a cold boot (Volume down + power button then do nothing and wait for reboot)
etc.
Now do some homework and have fun!
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Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?
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I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
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You'll have to do the convincing yourself.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away?
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Depends on which browser you use. In most cases, it will improve considerably, but if you use the stock browser you can achieve the same effect with some tweaking (after rooting).
Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue?
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I hardly remove the dock. Is this a known issue??
Will the overall system be snappier?
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Yes, as this is a software issue.
Does it somehow fix the slow io?
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No, as this is hardware-related..
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.
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As I said, you'll have to do the convincing yourself, as that is a decision I have nothing to do with. Taking a swig of my own medicine - I unlocked at the first opportunity -- I'd say that the benefits are significant.
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Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
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Because a large minority of apps seem to have compatibility issues, causing them to force-close. Legacy reasons, in other words.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?
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As far as I have followed the discussions, the ST warranty has been used a few times.
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I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update).
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That was also the main motivation for me - the big decision if I want to be forever limited to what Asus provides, but with warranty and automatic upgrades, or if I want to take full control over my own tablet, with the risk of having to pay for hardware faults.
Knowing that I could not upgrade past 9.4.5.26 without either unlocking or forever losing full control over the bootloader forced me to decide. I still waited for a few weeks, then I finally unlocked, made the nvflash backups and upgraded to stock JB. After a few days I installed CleanROM. Not all lag issues went away, but I still think the experience is better than before.
Unlocking totally worth it for me
I've had my infinity for about 4 months now, I rooted a while back. I just recently unlocked and started using CleanRom Inheritance (now at version 2.5.5). I was always happy with the tablet, but had some of the issues you mentioned and after 4 months I figured what have i got to lose? (I also have a ST warranty)
★★ CleanROM 2.5.5 Inheritance | 10.4.4.20 | OC/UV Kernels | JB 4.1.1
I can tell you it's made QUITE a difference in the overall responsiveness and eliminated just about all of the stutters and pauses I thought was just a natural part of the infinity ecosystem. Check out the thread, check out the quadrant scores and see if it's something you'll find worthy of unlocking for. I'm very happy I did it. No regrets and I feel like I have a brand new tablet that performs the way it was supposed to all along.
The customizations built in to the Aroma installer alone is worth a look.
Matt
berfles said:
I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away? Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue? Will the overall system be snappier? Does it somehow fix the slow io?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.
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I think that it's important for you to state where you live (which continent).
Because if you live in Europe, you have nothing to fear. If you unlock your device, you cannot be held responsible for hardware (/production) issues. The repair centres will always replace anything for free the first 6 months after your purchase.
In the United States customer service will help you out as well, as long as you bought the device from a somewhat bigger and respectable store.
To be honest, unlocking the device is the best thing since sliced bread. It fixed a lot of issues and I can easily get above 6500 on Quandrant on the normal mode and I get 6900+ on performance mode.
Hope this helps you out
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I've had my infinity for about 4 months now, I rooted a while back. I just recently unlocked and started using CleanRom Inheritance (now at version 2.5.5). I was always happy with the tablet, but had some of the issues you mentioned and after 4 months I figured what have i got to lose? (I also have a ST warranty)
★★ CleanROM 2.5.5 Inheritance | 10.4.4.20 | OC/UV Kernels | JB 4.1.1
I can tell you it's made QUITE a difference in the overall responsiveness and eliminated just about all of the stutters and pauses I thought was just a natural part of the infinity ecosystem. Check out the thread, check out the quadrant scores and see if it's something you'll find worthy of unlocking for. I'm very happy I did it. No regrets and I feel like I have a brand new tablet that performs the way it was supposed to all along.
The customizations built in to the Aroma installer alone is worth a look.
Matt
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Plus one on this. Tablet is a joy to use now!
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Plus one on this. Tablet is a joy to use now!
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Yeah, *we* love *your* ROM, too!
Thanks for the replies, lots to look at and go through. I looked through some of the CROMI thread and the last few pages had me a little worried, seemed people were having troubles but I didn't go back far enough to see if that was user error or what.
Once I do this, if I make it through the process without issue does that mean I'm out of the woods in terms of danger? I mean most issues people have occur when they're trying to flash a ROM, right? So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?
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Thanks for the replies, lots to look at and go through. I looked through some of the CROMI thread and the last few pages had me a little worried, seemed people were having troubles but I didn't go back far enough to see if that was user error or what.
Once I do this, if I make it through the process without issue does that mean I'm out of the woods in terms of danger? I mean most issues people have occur when they're trying to flash a ROM, right? So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?
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If you got worried about the issues some people seem to have, just flash CleanROM 2.4 -- it won't be updated, but it was rock-stable. It seems that there is quite a bit of variability between our devices, as there have been lots of issues experienced by small numbers of users (sometimes even only one) that even Scott found hard to reproduce.
The riskiest thing you can do is flashing a bootloader -- even there, if done correctly, the risk is minimal, but at its highest point. Just flashing a ROM in itself doesn't carry that much of a risk at all -- you might end up with an OS that doesn't boot, but then you could always enter recovery, wipe date/factory reset and just flash an earlier version, or another ROM altogether. As long as you keep a working ROM .zip file handy for emergency flashing (I have one on my SGS2 that was amid-life ICS version of RootBox), you'll be able to save your bacon.
Oh... don't forget to get a good backup program *I'd suggest Titanium Backup Pro), and set a (preferably daily) schedule for the backups. That way, you won't lose more than the data modified since the last backup. That has worked out nicely for me the past few years.
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So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?
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Flashing a custom ROM will not make a hardware problem rear its ugly head. It would've been there before, so check for the known issues thoroughly. If OK, flash away.
Ive had my TF700 for awhile, always had it rooted but today unlocked it.
Took 10mins to get Teamwin and install liquid smooth.
I should of done this months ago, this rom let alone makes a huge difference in speed, plus the customization never ends.
DO IT
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Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?
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If you read term and condition, Square Trade will not cover unlocked bootloader. BTW, running custom rom will eliminated ALL your issues mentioned above. Your device will be fast and smooth just like the way it should be.
Just bought the transformer today. It has jb preloaded. It was extremely laggy. Google search took several seconds to start etc. I returned it and got a new one. It's currently charging so I haven't set it up. Is this a common problem or did I just get a lemon? Thanks
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Just bought the transformer today. It has jb preloaded. It was extremely laggy. Google search took several seconds to start etc. I returned it and got a new one. It's currently charging so I haven't set it up. Is this a common problem or did I just get a lemon? Thanks
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i only had the stock rom for a few hours but as i recall it wasnt real slow. but i can attest to the fact that this tablet runs twice as well on clean rom 3.0.3
well this 2nd one is just as laggy. I can't believe I'm about to say this, but the Kindle Fire HD 8.9 I returned in favor of this was faster.
Try doing a factory reset. See if that makes it better. Also, the pad suffers from a bad I/O. Currently the only way to make it fly is unlocking and installing custom ROMs and kernels.
I'm seeing blank pages with "loading" written on them in google play books.
So, this thing is unusable unless I root/rom?
gunnyman;3604947 seeing blank pages with "loading" written on th google play books.
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Well tbh ive never owned a android, apple or windows device i didnt customize, overclock, ect. It just makes for a better machine. But in this case if you have done the jelly bean update keep in mind you WILL lose your warranty when you unlock your bootloader. Good luck man.
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Oh I'm no stranger to ROMS or rooting, and this thing came with Jellybean. I've just never seen something be so unusable out of the box.
Did you try factory reset?
Yes. No difference.
It sucks to hear its not running smoothly man! maybe it has to deal with a hw problem itself? i was between buying a kindle fire, a nexus 10 and this tablet, im not new to flashing and such either, my tablet came with stock jellybean, it ran smoothly since the first boot!, i unlocked it for the fun of it but I had no need, im very happy with the tablet.
maybe you should return it or try another one? maybe theres a problem with the one you got
I've not installed any custom roms, so I don't have them to compare it to, though stock rom seems to work smoothly for myself. I don't find it lagging or slow, so maybe a fresh install will help?
The only other device I use that has Android is a Galaxy S2 and the Asus TF300 feels much quicker and responsive.
After getting fed up with my Infinity, I finally called ASUS. They gave me an RMA number. Is it worth it to send it in since I have to pay to ship it?
The problem I have is the keyboard lags so bad most of the time. It will not register anything for 5 seconds, then try and insert all the letters you typed at once. The browser also closes itself down randomly without an error box. In general it's just extremely slow. Made more apparent by the fact that I have a Galaxy Note II that I use every day. It's frustrating to use a $500 tablet that is so much slower.
I'm afraid it's just the nature of the tablet, though, and I'm wasting money shipping it. I've done several factory resets and cold boots. Lags even when typing on the setup screen after a reset. I'm not rooted, everything is stock.
Should I mail it off?
Thanks.
It is doubtful that the RMA will make the tablet any faster. The symptoms you describe are unfortunately very typical for the TF700 if not optimized. The bottleneck is very slow I/O performance and nothing they could do at the repair center will fix that.
There are a number of ways to speed it up a little. For browsing you could try the Boat browser, it's much faster than stock.
You can try the app Greenify. It hibernates unseen background services and helps managing what's running at any given time.
If you are willing to root, you can try SD Booster, implement the Browser2RAM script, install Titanium Backup and get rid of or freeze apps and services you don't use.
But the real difference makes to unlock the tablet and flash a custom ROM. I am running CROMi-X and now the TF700 runs like you would expect from a $500 tablet.
If you decide to sell it, be quick about it. A new model is due this fall.
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My biggest concern is that I do have an internal hardware problem. If I root and install some kind of custom rom but it doesn't fix the issue, I won't be able to send it to ASUS. I do have a 2 year Square trade warranty though I don't know if it will be covered by them if rooted.
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My biggest concern is that I do have an internal hardware problem. If I root and install some kind of custom rom but it doesn't fix the issue, I won't be able to send it to ASUS. I do have a 2 year Square trade warranty though I don't know if it will be covered by them if rooted.
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Well, then send it in and let Asus check it out. Since you got the RMA - better safe than sorry. But with the Squaretrade warranty you're all covered anyway. They don't care if you root and unlock AFASIK.
Check that on the forums, but I'm pretty sure Squaretrade has you covered no matter what you do software-wise.
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I doubt that you have a hardware problem. What you are describing is what many people complain about on the stock experience. Rooting may help as you can use B2R but realistically the only way to solve your issues is to unlock and install a custom rom.