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[Q] Is it worth it to lose warranty in order to unlock?

What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is

arminneman said:
What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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Yes, it worth to run cleanrom 2.4. It makes everything works the way it suppose too and it makes the device worth $500. Without cleanrom, I would return my tablet. Seriously, I was once afraid to unlock because I don't know if it really better, and now people whom are not happy with their devices should unlock and flash this rom, then kick yourself in the bud for not doing it sooner.

YES!! Unlock it and use the CleanROM & Data2SD mods. I was previously on CleanRom 2.3 only but it was still lagging, especially when I'm updating an app and trying to surf. Ofcourse, this is caused by the inherently poor memory Asus installed in this device. With the Data2SD mod, I'm able to multitask without the lags. TF700 + Jellybean + CleanROM + Data2SD = iPad killer

arminneman said:
What can we stock users expect from a custom ROM like CleanROM 2.4?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what I wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser. Every few minutes I get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overall the tablet feels laggy and slow and I wonder if CleanROM 2.4 will fix all these issues or will I have to accept it as it is.
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Kind of depends on how desperate you are.
Have you tried the "Factory Reset" regimen.
Think twice before walking away from that Asus warranty.

Thats OK said:
[A]
Kind of depends on how desperate you are.
Have you tried the "Factory Reset" regimen.
Think twice before walking away from that Asus warranty.
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I keep looking for new updates and fixes, so i guess pretty desperate. I have tried lots of resets but i can't really say that it was helping. I have been experiencing some weird problems lately, the screen will sometimes not respond on my finger, it looks like the device is stuck but when i use the dock to navigate it works normally. With a restart it goes away but i do fear it might be some hardware issue, altough it's probably very unlikely. Problems like these make me wonder if i should give up my warranty. On the other hand i feel that i'm not productive on this tablet the way it runs at moment. I have downgraded to ICS, i have done a few factory resets, nothing helps, at the moment i'm running JB which seems just as bad. Ever since i got this device i have been resetting and updating, hoping to get rid of some problems, i would like to use my device and stop worrying about these kind of problems. It gives me some hope that cleanrom users report some improvement, thanks for the feedback.

arminneman said:
I keep looking for new updates and fixes, so i guess pretty desperate. I have tried lots of resets but i can't really say that it was helping. I have been experiencing some weird problems lately, the screen will sometimes not respond on my finger, it looks like the device is stuck but when i use the dock to navigate it works normally. With a restart it goes away but i do fear it might be some hardware issue, altough it's probably very unlikely. Problems like these make me wonder if i should give up my warranty. On the other hand i feel that i'm not productive on this tablet the way it runs at moment. I have downgraded to ICS, i have done a few factory resets, nothing helps, at the moment i'm running JB which seems just as bad. Ever since i got this device i have been resetting and updating, hoping to get rid of some problems, i would like to use my device and stop worrying about these kind of problems. It gives me some hope that cleanrom users report some improvement, thanks for the feedback.
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The echo of desperation there it seems
Is it possible to return the Asus for a different brand or perhaps another TF700?
If not a new ROM would be the next step.
There are a few pre-unlock tricks, although the ultimate fix for some would be the custom ROM route.

Do custom ROMs fix the lag transitioning between apps?
Really the only lag I notice on mine is when I use dolphin to browse the web, and during Netflix. That's really it. Not sure if a custom ROM will fix those issues :-/
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My Infinity spontaneously crapped out, so I'd say don't ditch the warranty unless you have e.g. SquareTrade aftermarket warranty as a backup. Asus's QC is just too poor to trust these devices to last.

Yes it is
I had the warranty officially for 5 days. The improvements with using CleanROM are astounding over plain stock. Plus, you will be able to make this tablet a beast for many moons after Asus stops updating the software. And the modifications are almost endless

No, it is not.
I unlocked mine and 2 days later I am faced with non-functional, bricked unit, without any warranty (this is completely hardware related, not software). It was a $500 mistake. It was very very good, for two days.

Go ahead and roll those dice, you riverboat gambler . . .
arminneman said:
What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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You might regret it. but take your chances, That's why you are here at XDA in the first place, right?
You will Really regret it if you put up with what you describe and do nothing about it except wait for a warranty issue, L0L

nearlydigital said:
I unlocked mine and 2 days later I am faced with non-functional, bricked unit, without any warranty (this is completely hardware related, not software). It was a $500 mistake. It was very very good, for two days.
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Without any more relevant information, I'd strongly hesitate in establishing a cause/effect relationship here. I'm sorry for the fact that you are out of warranty (seemingly), but I'd still take it up with ASUS. Unlocking the 700 probably didn't have anything to do with -- unless yo udid something stupid -- which we all do sometimes.

Uhh, I did anything but establish a cause and effect relationship. That's why I said my issue was hardware related. It had nothing whatsover to do with unlocking. My point is that with a [seemingly] very high defect ratio on these machines, the consequence of completely removing all warranty (even for unrelated issues), is severe.
MartyHulskemper said:
Without any more relevant information, I'd strongly hesitate in establishing a cause/effect relationship here. I'm sorry for the fact that you are out of warranty (seemingly), but I'd still take it up with ASUS. Unlocking the 700 probably didn't have anything to do with -- unless yo udid something stupid -- which we all do sometimes.
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arminneman said:
What can we stock users expect from a custom rom like cleanrom?
Is it really that much faster?
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yes!
Will the input lag be solved ? Because now my tablet takes a few seconds to catch up with what i wrote.
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i never had it that bad before, so hard to say.
I get a lot freezes where applications hang. Especially the stock browser, every few minutes i get "program is not responding" wait or close
Overal the tablet feels laggy and slow and i wonder if cleanrom will fix all these issues or that i have to accept it as it is
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ASUS's stock ROM sucks compared to cleanROM. haven't had one ANR, tablet is FAST, no lags at all. no waiting.

ASUS's Stock ROM sucks compared to CleanROM. Haven't had one ANR, tablet is FAST, no lags at all. No waiting.
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I will triple second this!
This man speaks the truth!!!

I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made, at first i was skeptical about what other users reported but i can confirm that it's true. ASUS is doing a terrible job with their software, taking away warranty because users want normal use out of their device...they should be sued, anyway this will be my last ASUS product ever, I'm content with my infinity now thanks to the custom roms on xda, but i feel ASUS should see the consequences of their policies, the only thing i can do is stop supporting them with my wallet.
I don't know how it works in the US or other places, but here in europe there is a law that states that customers should have two years of warranty, i doubt ASUS can overrule that law by a simple " I AGREE " statement.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm

arminneman said:
I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made.
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Excellent!
Now you know!
Very happy for you...
jim

nearlydigital said:
Uhh, I did anything but establish a cause and effect relationship. That's why I said my issue was hardware related. It had nothing whatsover to do with unlocking. My point is that with a [seemingly] very high defect ratio on these machines, the consequence of completely removing all warranty (even for unrelated issues), is severe.
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Agreed -- apparently, my red flag went up before I had actually read and consumed your reply. My sincere apologies. You're right, but there are loads of people that have been unlocked and flashing away since the beginning, myself included. My guess is that, from a statistical point of view -- which is worthless in your case, where a 100% of TF700s are sucky devices -- most of the 700s are actually fine.
Thats OK said:
I will triple second this!
This man speaks the truth!!!
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I've had an ANR twice. Once with Chrome, 86 tabs open (picture leeching off website). The other one was my fault also, but cannot reconstruct it as well from my mind.
arminneman said:
I unlucked my device and so far I'm very happy with it, it's unbelievable how much of a difference it made, at first i was skeptical about what other users reported but i can confirm that it's true. ASUS is doing a terrible job with their software, taking away warranty because users want normal use out of their device...they should be sued, anyway this will be my last ASUS product ever, I'm content with my infinity now thanks to the custom roms on xda, but i feel ASUS should see the consequences of their policies, the only thing i can do is stop supporting them with my wallet.
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As a consumer, that's the only vote you have.
I don't know how it works in the US or other places, but here in europe there is a law that states that customers should have two years of warranty, i doubt ASUS can overrule that law by a simple " I AGREE " statement.
http://europa.eu/youreurope/citizens/shopping/shopping-abroad/guarantees/index_en.htm
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You're right, obviously, as EU consumer law is pretty strict. However, you'd need to bring a lawyer into play, as ASUS will just keep its stance when you contact them telling them so. There's a minimum of two years' warranty against factory defects or "inability to use for intended purpose" -- the last term is pretty broad, actually.

Unlocking and flashing any of these roms is not a magic bullet, thought it will perform better. I'm currently playing around with Paranoid Android and really digging it.
My biggest gripe with unlocking is that I can't view play store movies and tv shows in HD anymore, I wouldn't really use it that often but it's lost functionality and it kinda pisses me off. For instance, took the family away on vacation this past summer and being able to hook up my tablet to the flat screen where we stayed was pretty nice. Now, I'll have to either have movies already installed and ripped from a bluray or just watch movies in, what appears to be, 480i.
Both cleanrom and Paranoid are pretty awesome roms and I highly recommend you check out both and some of the others, if you decide to unlock.
*edit*
for what it's worth, my TF700 boots up in a staggering 35 seconds on Paranoid android as opposed to the 1min 40+ seconds on stock and stock based roms. wicked fast

[Q] Convince me to unlock

I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away? Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue? Will the overall system be snappier? Does it somehow fix the slow io?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.

If you feel this way, do it. But why? Are you missing apps?
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Why what, why do I want to unlock it? All the reasons I just outlined, it kinds a little annoying having to wait 5 seconds for the keyboard to pop up randomly, or the little stutters and halts when you browse as the page is loading. I just don't know for sure if there are ROMs out there that will take care of these for me, or if they fix the IO issue, or if that's even the culprit at all here.
I'm also running into a really annoying friggin typing issue here where it will double press keys, and when I go to backspace, it copies and pastes the word I'm trying to delete a line above where I am. I think it's only this forum, but it renders typing on the tablet here useless.

I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update). I now have a fully unbrickable, and fully flashable and downgradable tab. The biggest pain is that the updates don't work, but they can be downloaded from asus's website and flashed manually. Cleanrom as virtually free of the IO issue, and CM is slick all around.
Also try using an alternate keyboard such as swiftkey or hackers keyboard.

rightonred said:
I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update). I now have a fully unbrickable, and fully flashable and downgradable tab. The biggest pain is that the updates don't work, but they can be downloaded from asus's website and flashed manually. Cleanrom as virtually free of the IO issue, and CM is slick all around.
Also try using an alternate keyboard such as swiftkey or hackers keyboard.
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when you say free of the IO issue, have you tried transferring large files to the onboard storage (not SD)? iirc it was a hardware issue so no amount of software fix is going to fix it. IO issue != stuttering when browsing

Well, I'm pretty sure I'm going through with it, I'll probably wait a bit yet just to read up some more. I'll get the SquareTrade warranty with the 40% off coupon as soon as I figure out how to get the code just as a crutch/safety net, and I'm thinking of going with CleanROM Inheritance.
So, grabbed from David's thread earlier, this is the basic process:
Unlock
Reboot
Install Goo Manger
Install TWRP recovery
Reboot into recovery
Install ROM/Gapps
{PROFIT}!?
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Is there a thread somewhere that at least has screenshots as you start loading the ROMs, because I've never done that before and would like to just see what I'm going to be looking at first.

I was trying not to add in here...
As a one week old tablet owner I wouldn't let myself get drawn in too quickly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965214&highlight=warranty
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979655&highlight=warranty
The above threads talk about some bad luck.
I recommend trying another path to alleviate any minor performance issues.
Then again if you're compelled to to unlock and flash it is a great idea to read and read some more.
Spend some time learning about pitfalls and benefits.
I'm thinking one week is too soon.
That is unless you're very confident about tweaking.
*just a note:
Get familiar with some of the tools used for pushing updates outside of OTAs to your Android.
If not already...good luck!
Apologies about the long winded response...

Thats OK said:
I was trying not add in here...
As a one week old tablet owner I wouldn't let myself get drawn in too quickly.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1965214&highlight=warranty
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1979655&highlight=warranty
The above threads talk about some bad luck.
I recommend trying another path to alleviate any minor performance issues.
Then again if you're compelled to to unlock and flash it is a great idea to read and read some more.
Spend some time learning about pitfalls and benefits.
I'm thinking one week is too soon.
That is unless you're very confident about tweaking.
*just a note:
Get familiar with some of the tools used for pushing updates outside of OTAs to your Android.
If not already...good luck!
Apologies about the long winded response...
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I hear what you're saying, but the SquareTrade warranties will still apply to unlocked devices, won't they? I plan on getting the 2 year from them just in case the **** hits the fan, I can get 40% off the normal price which puts it below $60. I think I read something here about them honoring the warranty even if the tablet gets bricked.
As far as the "other paths", what would they include? I rooted and froze some of the bloatware on here, I wasn't aware of anything else that could be done without unlocking. I'm used to tweaking everything computer related, I've just never done this before so if there's a thread that has a step by step with pictures so I don't go in blind that would be good. Even without the screens I'd be alright, I'll be sure to read up about it more.

berfles said:
I hear what you're saying, but the SquareTrade warranties will still apply to unlocked devices, won't they? I plan on getting the 2 year from them just in case the **** hits the fan, I can get 40% off the normal price which puts it below $60. I think I read something here about them honoring the warranty even if the tablet gets bricked.
As far as the "other paths", what would they include? I rooted and froze some of the bloatware on here, I wasn't aware of anything else that could be done without unlocking. I'm used to tweaking everything computer related, I've just never done this before so if there's a thread that has a step by step with pictures so I don't go in blind that would be good. Even without the screens I'd be alright, I'll be sure to read up about it more.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDroidDemos/videos?query=tf700t
These vids from DroidDemos have helped me in the past.
You can also search the "TF201 and TF300T" vids on DD some of those procedures will be the same as the Infinity.
Other things to try would be stepping back to ICS from JB.
JellyBean has proven buggy for a number of tablet users.
Turning on GPU 2d rendering under settings.
Not using the stock browser try an alternative.
If your using the Asus keyboard try the original Android keyboard.
Use the Asus task manager to shut down recurring apps.
Turn down screen brightness.
Turn off Bluetooth.
Turn off GPS temporarily.
Good read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28427614&postcount=1
...and of course try the factory reset or wipe cache from a cold boot (Volume down + power button then do nothing and wait for reboot)
etc.
Now do some homework and have fun!

Thats OK said:
http://www.youtube.com/user/TheDroidDemos/videos?query=tf700t
These vids from DroidDemos have helped me in the past.
You can also search the "TF201 and TF300T" vids on DD some of those procedures will be the same as the Infinity.
Other things to try would be stepping back to ICS from JB.
JellyBean has proven buggy for a number of tablet users.
Turning on GPU 2d rendering under settings.
Not using the stock browser try an alternative.
If your using the Asus keyboard try the original Android keyboard.
Use the Asus task manager to shut down recurring apps.
Turn down screen brightness.
Turn off Bluetooth.
Turn off GPS temporarily.
Good read here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=28427614&postcount=1
...and of course try the factory reset or wipe cache from a cold boot (Volume down + power button then do nothing and wait for reboot)
etc.
Now do some homework and have fun!
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Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?

berfles said:
I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
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You'll have to do the convincing yourself.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away?
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Depends on which browser you use. In most cases, it will improve considerably, but if you use the stock browser you can achieve the same effect with some tweaking (after rooting).
Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue?
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I hardly remove the dock. Is this a known issue??
Will the overall system be snappier?
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Yes, as this is a software issue.
Does it somehow fix the slow io?
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No, as this is hardware-related..
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.
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As I said, you'll have to do the convincing yourself, as that is a decision I have nothing to do with. Taking a swig of my own medicine - I unlocked at the first opportunity -- I'd say that the benefits are significant.
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berfles said:
Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
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Because a large minority of apps seem to have compatibility issues, causing them to force-close. Legacy reasons, in other words.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?
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As far as I have followed the discussions, the ST warranty has been used a few times.

rightonred said:
I unlocked because I was receiving the update notification for .30 and I wanted NvFlash access (which I would not be able to do after accepting the update).
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That was also the main motivation for me - the big decision if I want to be forever limited to what Asus provides, but with warranty and automatic upgrades, or if I want to take full control over my own tablet, with the risk of having to pay for hardware faults.
Knowing that I could not upgrade past 9.4.5.26 without either unlocking or forever losing full control over the bootloader forced me to decide. I still waited for a few weeks, then I finally unlocked, made the nvflash backups and upgraded to stock JB. After a few days I installed CleanROM. Not all lag issues went away, but I still think the experience is better than before.

Unlocking totally worth it for me
I've had my infinity for about 4 months now, I rooted a while back. I just recently unlocked and started using CleanRom Inheritance (now at version 2.5.5). I was always happy with the tablet, but had some of the issues you mentioned and after 4 months I figured what have i got to lose? (I also have a ST warranty)
★★ CleanROM 2.5.5 Inheritance | 10.4.4.20 | OC/UV Kernels | JB 4.1.1
I can tell you it's made QUITE a difference in the overall responsiveness and eliminated just about all of the stutters and pauses I thought was just a natural part of the infinity ecosystem. Check out the thread, check out the quadrant scores and see if it's something you'll find worthy of unlocking for. I'm very happy I did it. No regrets and I feel like I have a brand new tablet that performs the way it was supposed to all along.
The customizations built in to the Aroma installer alone is worth a look.
Matt

berfles said:
I'm trying to convince myself to unlock my week old Infinity. Obviously I'm worried about the warranty, but need to know if these symptoms I'm experiencing vanish with a custom ROM.
First, and I guess this is the io problem, but the general pausing I occasionally get while browsing, will that go away? Also the slow to pop up keyboard issue? Will the overall system be snappier? Does it somehow fix the slow io?
I guess I'm just trying to figure out exactly what a custom ROM will do for me and if it's worth it for me. I did read through the stickies at the top but didn't see anything specific.
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I think that it's important for you to state where you live (which continent).
Because if you live in Europe, you have nothing to fear. If you unlock your device, you cannot be held responsible for hardware (/production) issues. The repair centres will always replace anything for free the first 6 months after your purchase.
In the United States customer service will help you out as well, as long as you bought the device from a somewhat bigger and respectable store.
To be honest, unlocking the device is the best thing since sliced bread. It fixed a lot of issues and I can easily get above 6500 on Quandrant on the normal mode and I get 6900+ on performance mode.
Hope this helps you out

physicsguymatt said:
I've had my infinity for about 4 months now, I rooted a while back. I just recently unlocked and started using CleanRom Inheritance (now at version 2.5.5). I was always happy with the tablet, but had some of the issues you mentioned and after 4 months I figured what have i got to lose? (I also have a ST warranty)
★★ CleanROM 2.5.5 Inheritance | 10.4.4.20 | OC/UV Kernels | JB 4.1.1
I can tell you it's made QUITE a difference in the overall responsiveness and eliminated just about all of the stutters and pauses I thought was just a natural part of the infinity ecosystem. Check out the thread, check out the quadrant scores and see if it's something you'll find worthy of unlocking for. I'm very happy I did it. No regrets and I feel like I have a brand new tablet that performs the way it was supposed to all along.
The customizations built in to the Aroma installer alone is worth a look.
Matt
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Plus one on this. Tablet is a joy to use now!

sbdags said:
Plus one on this. Tablet is a joy to use now!
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Yeah, *we* love *your* ROM, too!

Thanks for the replies, lots to look at and go through. I looked through some of the CROMI thread and the last few pages had me a little worried, seemed people were having troubles but I didn't go back far enough to see if that was user error or what.
Once I do this, if I make it through the process without issue does that mean I'm out of the woods in terms of danger? I mean most issues people have occur when they're trying to flash a ROM, right? So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?

berfles said:
Thanks for the replies, lots to look at and go through. I looked through some of the CROMI thread and the last few pages had me a little worried, seemed people were having troubles but I didn't go back far enough to see if that was user error or what.
Once I do this, if I make it through the process without issue does that mean I'm out of the woods in terms of danger? I mean most issues people have occur when they're trying to flash a ROM, right? So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?
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If you got worried about the issues some people seem to have, just flash CleanROM 2.4 -- it won't be updated, but it was rock-stable. It seems that there is quite a bit of variability between our devices, as there have been lots of issues experienced by small numbers of users (sometimes even only one) that even Scott found hard to reproduce.
The riskiest thing you can do is flashing a bootloader -- even there, if done correctly, the risk is minimal, but at its highest point. Just flashing a ROM in itself doesn't carry that much of a risk at all -- you might end up with an OS that doesn't boot, but then you could always enter recovery, wipe date/factory reset and just flash an earlier version, or another ROM altogether. As long as you keep a working ROM .zip file handy for emergency flashing (I have one on my SGS2 that was amid-life ICS version of RootBox), you'll be able to save your bacon.
Oh... don't forget to get a good backup program *I'd suggest Titanium Backup Pro), and set a (preferably daily) schedule for the backups. That way, you won't lose more than the data modified since the last backup. That has worked out nicely for me the past few years.
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berfles said:
So if I get through that part it's not like something debilitating is going to pop up down the road out of the blue?
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Flashing a custom ROM will not make a hardware problem rear its ugly head. It would've been there before, so check for the known issues thoroughly. If OK, flash away.

Ive had my TF700 for awhile, always had it rooted but today unlocked it.
Took 10mins to get Teamwin and install liquid smooth.
I should of done this months ago, this rom let alone makes a huge difference in speed, plus the customization never ends.
DO IT

berfles said:
Thanks. I'm doing a lot of those already, I just enabled the GPU 2d rendering and my benchmark score shot way up on that front, not sure where I'll notice it in real world applications though. Why is it even disabled by default, seems like that's the way it should be from the get go.
I'll check the videos out and your other link.
Does anyone know about the SquareTrade warranty for sure?
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If you read term and condition, Square Trade will not cover unlocked bootloader. BTW, running custom rom will eliminated ALL your issues mentioned above. Your device will be fast and smooth just like the way it should be.

Is the I/O problem gone? Is JB any better?

Hey everyone.
Im thinking of buying this tablet tomorrow, but Ive been reading about this I/O problem and dont really understand what it is, but it seems it has something to do with the memory speed being bottleneck and causing lag and apps crashing.
Is this problem gone with lastest updates or is it still there and a big issue avoiding me to buy this tablet?
Also I heard you cannot root the device without losing warranty or that I need to contact Asus for it or something like that. Is it easily rootable?
Does the tablet lag big time or slow down over time?
Thanks for the help.

If you are willing to unlock then this tablet can go as fast as any other.
Stock w/root you can still get it going pretty well.
don't know about running without root as I did that day 1.

Mine is stock and not rooted, and it lags too much. Way more than my Galaxy Nexus GSM running 4.1 JB. Chrome browser would have very jerky scrolling and even the stock browser would be unresponsive. I will root and then report back any differences

I 'me very happy with mine - stock with no root. I have two other JB devices, Nexus 7 and Nook Color with CM10 and all show the same startup delay on some apps - so I blame the apps not the devices.

Mine runs fine. Not as fast as my note 2. But the Note has twice the ram, processor is clocked at the same speed as the transformer and the screen resolution isn't close to the transformer.
I'm very satisfied with the speed. I don't notice any lag. And the resolution is great.
Although I have to say I don't use it as much since I got the Galaxy Note 2. (I mainly use my devices for web browsing, and the note 2 is a great size for that)
I still have some really good uses for my tablet, though. In the my cloud app it has the splashtop remote built in which is a nice bonus.
Penned with my Galaxy Note 2 via xda premium

smachine said:
Mine is stock and not rooted, and it lags too much. Way more than my Galaxy Nexus GSM running 4.1 JB. Chrome browser would have very jerky scrolling and even the stock browser would be unresponsive. I will root and then report back any differences
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Root will not help, you need to unlock and use custom rom/kernel.

Sensamic said:
Hey everyone.
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Howdy!
I'm thinking of buying this tablet tomorrow, but Ive been reading about this I/O problem and dont really understand what it is, but it seems it has something to do with the memory speed being bottleneck and causing lag and apps crashing.
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True in some cases not all users have problems with this.
The Infinity's inherent IO slowdown is built in.
The Internal SD\eMMC (manufactured by Hynix) which as far as I know has slow or average data R\W speeds.
Is this problem gone with latest updates or is it still there and a big issue avoiding me to buy this tablet?
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It would be impossible to repair a hardware deficiency with OS updating.
Again many TF700T owners have minimal problems if any.
You may or may not fall into this group.
Also I heard you cannot root the device without losing warranty or that I need to contact Asus for it or something like that. Is it easily root-able?
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A root will not cause the warranty as written by Asus to be void.
Does the tablet lag big time or slow down over time?
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Not always.
A good trick is to factory reset a brand new tab right out of the box.
Charge fully before using after the factory reset.
Thanks for the help.
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You are certainly welcome!
jim

As Thats OK ^^ already said, rooting will not cause you to lose warranty. You're probably confused with unlocking -- which is the opening up of your device to flashing (of custom ROMs and kernels). And as buhohitr said, rooting in itself will not do anything to alleviate any problems in themselves, except for some tweaks that lessen scrolling hiccups and such to a large degree.
Unlocking, however, is another story entirely. Although you cannot change the hardware choices ASUS made -- and they are the cause of some issues we are/were having -- you can change to a better optimized version of the stock ROM, or an AOSP/AOKP/CM10-based ROM. It will make your user experience that much better.
And something personal... (I've recently been criticized for typically being unhelpful and rude. At leats this tie, I didn't mean it that way.) Please do make sure you get to a good level of understanding regarding the Android basics of flashing/rooting/unlocking, and their differences and implications, and the same for ROMs/kernels/recoveries. The change of the 700 killing itself is probably close to nil, but with a little bit of ill-informed user intervention will do the trick.

unlocking a TF700 voids warranty. Just something to keep in mind if that's important to you. manufacturing defect (e.g. screen not properly glued) won't be covered either even though it has nothing to do with unlocking.

[Q] bought the TF700. return?

Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).

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Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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Yes, clean rom cromi, cm10.1, etc.. speed up the device very well! it will fly
I own a TF300T and we have basicly the same thing on stock rom: very bad lag! so if you like stock i would reccomend crom-x/cleanrom or TF700 specific roms based on stock

Honestly i would return it and save the money for some upcoming device.It's one year old,you have to unlock it (and loose your warranty) in order to have more decent performance and you will mostlikely end-up spending more time to tweak the device than actually enjoy it.Ofcourse this is only my opinion,the final decision it's up to you.

ignoramus0611 said:
Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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If I had it to do over again...it would go back. Sorry to say that but you should NOT have to make ANY changes to a tablet that is supposed to be at the top of the line. My wife's AT105-T1032 Toshiba, is a lot more stable than the TF700.
Here are some of MY problems:
ANY browser will loose input from the onscreen keyboard...doesn't matter if it's Asus KB or Swiftkey or Google
The lag is so bad at times the KB won't appear for a second or two
ANY browser will just force close for no appearent reason...doesn't happen often but it does happen
The screen is loose on the lower right corner, I thought this issue had fixed itself but I noticed it again the other day
When posting on forums none of the browsers work correctly. They make it a horrible experiance and I usually have to give up and go to my PC to complete posts I want to make. If you insert a word that was mispelled it usually will appear at the top of the post you are making and delete any text it replaces. VERY VERY frustrating and has been an issue for me from day 1. (a year ago)
Here's how I intend to fix them:
When the warranty is up I will try rooting and unlocking and a different ROM. If I can't get that to make it work right for me I WILL take it out in the driveway and beat the living crap out of it, place it in a box and send it back to Asus with a detailed explanation of why they now have it in their hands
Now- it's your decision to make and you will probably read a lot of negitive replies as well as see quite a few on the forums about TF201 and TF700. It seems like people go to the forums to complain not realizing that they aren't supported by Asus. So get ready for more like this one but also you'll get quite a few saying how great this tablet is. It still all comes down to YOU.
I have NEVER been this frustrated by any computer and I'm not a happy Asus customer. BUT I will still buy Asus products, just no more tablets. I have an old P5GPL (P4) Asus motherboard that has been running for 8-9? years and has never given me one days trouble. I've replaced everything around it, power supply, hard drive and video card and it just keeps on keepin' on!

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Honestly i would return it and save the money for some upcoming device.It's one year old,you have to unlock it (and loose your warranty) in order to have more decent performance and you will mostlikely end-up spending more time to tweak the device than actually enjoy it.Ofcourse this is only my opinion,the final decision it's up to you.
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@Pretoriano80, after being on the custom rom for some time, do you see it using too much memory or getting sluggish? It's one year old but the new 10inch tablets are $500 and up. what option do i have?
I looked through your all in one guide but wouldn't know where to start since my tablet is already updated to 4.2.1.
So how would one unlock the bootloader if the instructions listed were for version below 4.2.1?
Does it mean Id have to downgrade to ICS first?
Also don't know what comes first, unlocking or rooting. Just rooting the device will not allow installation of Cromi-x/cleanRom right?

Please please return it...I know you will be tempted to unlock and install CROMI. But don't....I am using the tablet for the last 6 months I think. If it weren't for CROMI, I would have jumped over it in anger.
Please just return it, and get a better tablet.
WARNING: DON'T READ ANY OF THE MODDING THREADS UNTIL YOU RETURN IT. IT'S FULL OF TEMPTATIONS.

Please just return it, and get a better tablet.
WARNING: DON'T READ ANY OF THE MODDING THREADS UNTIL YOU RETURN IT. IT'S FULL OF TEMPTATIONS.[/QUOTE]
+1 :good: I have to agree with you on this but it also improves the over all performance quite a bit..

ignoramus0611 said:
Just found out about the MAJOR lag issues surrounding it I have 14 days to return it. I was looking for a $400 tablet, not too old with good battery life and came across this.
Do the clean and cromi-x roms 'renew' it completely?
Would you have returned your tablet and gotten something else if you'd known this would happen??
Should i return it, or just keep it (and flash)?
I keep hearing people saying to get the nexus 10, but even that has its issues apparently (battery drain + slow charging).
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I kinda agree with the above, but I bought a used one of eBay not knowing what I'd gotten into. I just want to check email, watch movies, shop, etc. No real life-saving issues. Didn't notice much lag or problem with stock but went ahead and installed CROMI-X not knowing anything about android, etc. I love mine. At 400, maybe not, half the price, sure.

ignoramus0611 said:
@Pretoriano80, after being on the custom rom for some time, do you see it using too much memory or getting sluggish? It's one year old but the new 10inch tablets are $500 and up. what option do i have?
I looked through your all in one guide but wouldn't know where to start since my tablet is already updated to 4.2.1.
So how would one unlock the bootloader if the instructions listed were for version below 4.2.1?
Does it mean Id have to downgrade to ICS first?
Also don't know what comes first, unlocking or rooting. Just rooting the device will not allow installation of Cromi-x/cleanRom right?
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You can ROOT your device without unlocking your bootloader, but you can't install custom roms and a custom recovery in this case, just some apps that need rooting or some tweaks. The good part with only rooting is that your warranty will still be valid because you can return to a clean stock rom anytime. For rooting your device on 4.2.1 you will have to use MotoChopper (search in the tf700t forum).
If you unlock the bootloader then you can kiss goodbye your warranty and enjoy custom roms, custom kernels, etc but you can't go back to a bootloader locked state anymore.
No matter what you will choose (root or unlocking) don't expect miracles or else you will be disappointed. The first time you install a rom you will notice much gain in performance, but after you install some of your favourite apps you will see the performance going down again (imho this is also the reason why you can find bad and good opinions about this device, because everyone use it in different ways). Also forget about benchmarks it won't do any good to you or the device itself and you will just end-up just hunting higher scores.
I really don't know which device to recommend you becaause i only have this one, but read some reviews from trusted sites (Engadget for example was maybe one of the few to do a honest review about the tf700t) or wait until some new generation devices will be released.
Btw one year ago i paid 500€ just for the tablet so paying 500$ now for a new generation device it's in line with the tablet market in my opinion, so once again mate, it's your call.

Even with cromi or cm10.2 the tablet lags. It's not good enough! RETURN RETURN RETURN!

I actually love this tab. I did do a lot of research before buying it though so I knew some issues before I bought so I also knew that I was not going to buy one for full retail and be happy. I did a lot of hunting around on craigslist and ended picking up a 64GB tab with the docking station and quite a few accessories for a little less than half of retail. I then immediately unlocked and rooted it, installed CROMI-X, and tried a coupe different kernels until I found the combination that worked for me. Finally I created a Nandroid of this setup and started using the tab.
I did have experience rooting and ROM'ing as well so I knew that I would be comfortable with that aspect and I always try to stay a little behind the curve of teh latest gadget so others can figure out how to fix the issues (because for every device there are issues).
As of right now I couldn't be happier. I got a tab that does everything I need it to and it seems sufficiently fast and responsive to me.
Would I have been happy if I paid full price a year ago and had to suffer through all of the issues that I hear being talked about on this forum? No. but at half price and time to give the great and dedicated developers on this site a chance to address the worst of the issues, Hell yeah, Great tab :good:
Just my experience so far.
Jeff

Pretoriano80 said:
You can ROOT your device without unlocking your bootloader, but you can't install custom roms and a custom recovery in this case, just some apps that need rooting or some tweaks. The good part with only rooting is that your warranty will still be valid because you can return to a clean stock rom anytime. For rooting your device on 4.2.1 you will have to use MotoChopper (search in the tf700t forum).
If you unlock the bootloader then you can kiss goodbye your warranty and enjoy custom roms, custom kernels, etc but you can't go back to a bootloader locked state anymore.
No matter what you will choose (root or unlocking) don't expect miracles or else you will be disappointed. The first time you install a rom you will notice much gain in performance, but after you install some of your favourite apps you will see the performance going down again (imho this is also the reason why you can find bad and good opinions about this device, because everyone use it in different ways). Also forget about benchmarks it won't do any good to you or the device itself and you will just end-up just hunting higher scores.
I really don't know which device to recommend you becaause i only have this one, but read some reviews from trusted sites (Engadget for example was maybe one of the few to do a honest review about the tf700t) or wait until some new generation devices will be released.
Btw one year ago i paid 500€ just for the tablet so paying 500$ now for a new generation device it's in line with the tablet market in my opinion, so once again mate, it's your call.
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I actually love this tab. I did do a lot of research before buying it though so I knew some issues before I bought so I also knew that I was not going to buy one for full retail and be happy. I did a lot of hunting around on craigslist and ended picking up a 64GB tab with the docking station and quite a few accessories for a little less than half of retail. I then immediately unlocked and rooted it, installed CROMI-X, and tried a coupe different kernels until I found the combination that worked for me. Finally I created a Nandroid of this setup and started using the tab.
I did have experience rooting and ROM'ing as well so I knew that I would be comfortable with that aspect and I always try to stay a little behind the curve of teh latest gadget so others can figure out how to fix the issues (because for every device there are issues).
As of right now I couldn't be happier. I got a tab that does everything I need it to and it seems sufficiently fast and responsive to me.
Would I have been happy if I paid full price a year ago and had to suffer through all of the issues that I hear being talked about on this forum? No. but at half price and time to give the great and dedicated developers on this site a chance to address the worst of the issues, Hell yeah, Great tab :good:
Just my experience so far.
Jeff
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Thanks guys, I'll just return it then. I did a lot of research as well before picking this one...its a great tablet, but not worth full price considering its drawback. I'll probably wait for the next Infinity Pad that's coming out, although I've been hearing that even Tegra 4 has issues

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Thanks guys, I'll just return it then. I did a lot of research as well before picking this one...its a great tablet, but not worth full price considering its drawback. I'll probably wait for the next Infinity Pad that's coming out, although I've been hearing that even Tegra 4 has issues
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Try cm 10.2 no more lag at all:thumbup:

I agree with everyone here. Return it. If you want a tablet right now just get the Nexus 10 or maybe even the Toshiba Excite Pro or sony experia z. If you want a kb dock get the HP slatebook x2 which I just bought and it a very speedy and smooth tablet. Screen isn't as high contrast and cant get as bright but it's not too bad. But if you can wait just wait for Asus to release the new Infinity pad and hopefully it performs as well as the slatebook x2. I have gotten so used to the tf700 that I did not realize how bad it really is even with cromi x or data2sd mod compared to the slatebook. So please take everyone's advice on this one.
EDIT: Posted too early and did not read your post about returning it. Good for you!
Sent from my HP SlateBook 10 x2 PC using Tapatalk 4

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Try cm 10.2 no more lag at all:thumbup:
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I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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Try also holo Launcher hd

aznmode said:
I tried it and does get rid of transition stutter but it still lags here and there. It's still in its early stages so maybe it will get better but thats a big risk the OP will have to make.
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Try CROMi-X 4.7. The only lag I get is on wake up since I disable wifi in deep sleep. No transition/scrolling lag whatsoever, browsing is lightning fast.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk 4

I've been on cromi x for a while now. You must've set your transition to 0 to not notice any lag in transition. There's still I/O issue no matter which cromi version or kernel. Anyway were getting off subject. Thanks for the advice. Let's get back on topic.
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RETURN IT. 10 months with this tablet suffering lag -.-
I would if I could and just grab a nexus 10 or perhaps the new nexus 7.
P.S: I use cromi, still a failure. My droid razr dual core beats this quad so badly...

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I've been on cromi x for a while now. You must've set your transition to 0 to not notice any lag in transition. There's still I/O issue no matter which cromi version or kernel. Anyway were getting off subject. Thanks for the advice. Let's get back on topic.
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Try my latest beta version - I found some settings that may help some of the IO issues when downloading files or using the sdcard.
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RETURN IT. 10 months with this tablet suffering lag -.-
I would if I could and just grab a nexus 10 or perhaps the new nexus 7.
P.S: I use cromi, still a failure. My droid razr dual core beats this quad so badly...
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Thanks appreciate the support

ZenPad S Root achieved

all credit to social-media-concepts and vampirefo who developed the root:
this has only been tested on the Z580C model and ONLY FOR LOLLIPOP.
finally got root on my zenpad s 8. i can't say how this'll affect updates in the future, but this is done after taking the first update out of the box as of 7-19-15.
pretty much all you do is follow the info here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/android/development/intel-android-devices-root-temp-cwm-t2975096
grab the file here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60770086&postcount=352
download intel usb drivers here: https://software.intel.com/en-us/android/articles/intel-usb-driver-for-android-devices
download the latest chainfire su: https://download.chainfire.eu/696/SuperSU/UPDATE-SuperSU-v2.46.zip and copy to your device or sd card
make sure your android sdk is up-to-date.
if you happened to already install the device and the usb adb device has the yellow warning on it, just updated the device driver after installing the intel drivers. select brows my computer... let me pick... scroll down to intel and select adb device.
next verify that adb recognizes your device -> adb devices
unzip IntelAndroid-FBRL-05-16-2015-PTR and run launcher.bat
if your device is detected select T2 and press enter.
wait a good while as it reboots into recovery. you'll see an error on the launcher bat about failing b/c of too many links or something, just ignore. you device will restart and have a buncha lines of text. after about 3-5min it'll boot into CWM. install su zip and reboot (didn't need to fix su at the propt).
you may want to do a nandroid before flashing SU. i skipped it so i can't say whether it'll be successful or not, but it's better to be i case something goes wrong. i'm still w/in my return period
there you go. enjoy an adfree device or what ever you want to do with your rooted tablet!
stock image available here: http://dlcdnet.asus.com/pub/ASUS/EeePAD/Zenpad/Z580C/UL-P01M-WW-3.3.8.0-user.zip

Mine is now stuck on spinning in the boot. It wont start up

try booting back into recovery and running the script again - the launcher.bat . did you follow the instructions exactly? you should have booted to a tethered cwm where you flash root from. if you boot back into cwm reflash root. I'm assuming you allowed cwm to fix root. I skipped that step.
I believe you can get into recovery by holding vol down while booting up.

It worked for me. Thanks alot! Definitely skipped the "allowed cwm to fix root" at the end.
- Sweet relief. Now to debloat the hell out of this puppy!
Update - After root and debloat this thing runs like butter. I cant believe how good this is for $199. I was a bit worried about the Intel chip, but it actually runs cooler than any Snapdragon 600 or 800 I have ever used. Even when streaming video for hours.

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It worked for me. Thanks alot! Definitely skipped the "allowed cwm to fix root" at the end.
- Sweet relief. Now to debloat the hell out of this puppy!
Update - After root and debloat this thing runs like butter. I cant believe how good this is for $199. I was a bit worried about the Intel chip, but it actually runs cooler than any Snapdragon 600 or 800 I have ever used. Even when streaming video for hours.
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Can I get a de-bloat list? I removed quite a bit but not sure what all is safe to remove. Its running great now, but i would love to get as much of that junk off as possible.

bsutton said:
Can I get a de-bloat list? I removed quite a bit but not sure what all is safe to remove. Its running great now, but i would love to get as much of that junk off as possible.
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I haven't really gone through and tested everything to make sure its all 100% for sure good. A few hours of use with no issues at all. I just use Titanium backup and then go as follows. Freeze/Disable anything that starts with the word ASUS that you dont use. Even the Asus services (not keyboard and obvious stuff). I kept the Asus launcher though even though I use Nova because it caused issues with wallpapers when I disabled it.
then go through the list of apps and Freeze ones you dont use. A good way is to get the app "Advanced task killer free" . See what apps are running in your background. If its running and you dont use it freeze it. That should get you most of the way there. If you arent sure, just do a few at a time and see how it runs. If you broke something, unfreeze it. No harm done. I am not really done either... It's a process.

yep this thing is a steal at $200 and root makes it even better. wonder why there's so few reviews on best buy. it's been out for 3 weeks or so. I was #2 review.
4:3 is growing on me. I started digging it with my nexus 9. I doubt I'd get 4:3 for anything bigger than 9 in though.

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Can I get a de-bloat list? I removed quite a bit but not sure what all is safe to remove. Its running great now, but i would love to get as much of that junk off as possible.
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make sure you freeze and don't uninstall since we don't have a way of getting back to stock... or am I wrong on that?
has any tried a nandroid yet?

madsquabbles said:
make sure you freeze and don't uninstall since we don't have a way of getting back to stock... or am I wrong on that?
has any tried a nandroid yet?
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Yup, that is good advice. You can always unfreeze, you cant always re-install. Titanium Backup full version is well worth the couple dollars.

Ugh I'm stuck between buying the 199 model or waiting for the 299 model, I mean I don't honestly need 4gb of ram nor 64gb of storage. I just want them Haha, I'd use it mostly for reading and movies really.

Takinato said:
Ugh I'm stuck between buying the 199 model or waiting for the 299 model, I mean I don't honestly need 4gb of ram nor 64gb of storage. I just want them Haha, I'd use it mostly for reading and movies really.
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i'm using mine the same way so i decided to not spend another $100 for the CA version. though for taking notes and stuff should be nice on this thing. it is freaking light! those who have weaker arm strength or have to hold a tablet for extended periods may like it better than a galaxy note 8 (only slightly lighter) or 10.1. it's waaaay lighter than a surface.
i can notice when a tablet i heavier than another one, but i don't complain like so many people seem to over a few ounces since the weight differences are sometimes just the weight of pencil or burger... i've never struggled holding a friggin pencil! but this thing is like holding nothing. it's amazing how much battery life and performance you can get in it.

madsquabbles said:
i'm using mine the same way so i decided to not spend another $100 for the CA version. though for taking notes and stuff should be nice on this thing. it is freaking light! those who have weaker arm strength or have to hold a tablet for extended periods may like it better than a galaxy note 8 (only slightly lighter) or 10.1. it's waaaay lighter than a surface.
i can notice when a tablet i heavier than another one, but i don't complain like so many people seem to over a few ounces since the weight differences are sometimes just the weight of pencil or burger... i've never struggled holding a friggin pencil! but this thing is like holding nothing. it's amazing how much battery life and performance you can get in it.
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Haha you aren't making my life any easier good sir! Thanks for the advice!

bsutton said:
Can I get a de-bloat list? I removed quite a bit but not sure what all is safe to remove. Its running great now, but i would love to get as much of that junk off as possible.
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Haha you aren't making my life any easier good sir! Thanks for the advice!
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Buy the Cheaper one now and if you need more, but the other one later.
I am with madsquabbles on this though. I have a high end PC and a high end smartphone for mobile... I really dont do anything heavy on a tablet, just browse web, imgur, email and occasional streaming and a few apps. Any decent tablet will do the job.

I didn't think of it that way, I also have desktop and high end mobile, probably grab one Today!

Takinato said:
I didn't think of it that way, I also have desktop and high end mobile, probably grab one Today!
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Yup, save that $100 for your next phone

I got one as a spur of the moment decision. I am Canadian and I happen to be vacationing in New York. I walked into the best buy in Albany and they happen to have one on display. The screen really wowed me and its colors and contrast and I couldn't believe how late it was. I thought it would be nice to have a smaller tablet in this form factor. Overall so far I have really enjoyed it the only tiny issue I have with it is it the bottom right third of the device has a small creek on it sometimes when I first pick it up but after holding it for a while it will not make the noise anymore. It is a small issue and I can certainly live with it as it would be too difficult for me to bring back to return in the United States. Additionally I happen to get lucky and have one of the first LCD screen tablet I have never bought that did not have any light B bleed whatsoever. Even the iPads I have thought in the past have had at least one return before getting one that was satisfactory in that regard.
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Furthermore I certainly hope that this device gets its own forum as now that there is a routing option and I see these and phones have custom ROMs it should only be a matter of time that there is a demand for development on this it expensive yet really beautiful tablet
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Thanks a lot! The instructions worked like a champ. I did take the time to make a nandroid. Took forever, easily 15-20 minutes, but it was successful. Anyway, thanks again!
I bought the Galaxy Tab Pro 8.4 on sale for the same price as the Asus and I'll be taking the Galaxy back. They're pretty comparable devices but all things being equal I prefer the Asus. The Galaxy does have the luxury of having a developer community already but now that it's eol they'll be moving on. Hopefully some will hop to this device!

I'll root when I have more time to do so. Thx for the post.
When I'm watching movies the screen looks like it's adjusting the brightness. I don't have the brightness set to auto. Anyone else having this problem.? I've gone thru all the settings, can't figure it out. That's the only gripe I have with the tablet. Any help would be awesome.

Check that power saving is off and not on optimised
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thanks for this guide, it works PERFECT