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what do you think about this phone?
Pretty incredible. I guess this is still single core though?
rumors.. rumors.. rumors...
Where is the dual hd projectors?
Quite impressed but I agree with the author - instead of focusing on putting out faster processors that barely make a difference with the apps that we have, they should really work on increasing battery life. If the 2ghz makes the battery last a shorter time than my Captivate then it just isn't worth it. I'd much rather have the same specs we have now but with a battery that can last 2 full days with normal use instead of one. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my current battery life, it easily gets me through a day, but I'd prefer to only charge every other day if the option was there.
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rumors.. rumors.. rumors...
Where is the dual hd projectors?
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I head it will mow your lawn and change the oil in your car too. Spread the word..
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I head it will mow your lawn and change the oil in your car too. Spread the word..
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Damn...sign me up..I got a 4 car and 1 SUV household to change the oil on and over 1 acre of yard to mow
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I'd honestly be much more excited to see samsung commit to gingerbread for its current (and still top of the market) generation
I appreciate the bump of the screen to "4.3 in" I tested my friend's droid x, and I like how "full" it feels XD
This speculation looks cool, but even if it is "real" it would most likely be push back to like Q4 of 2011, Honestly Samsung has pushed back Froyo so much. Those stats look great but they really need to work with their software to enhance android OS for their Hummingbird CPU architecture. The snapdragon Cpu is so enhanced with Froyo, hopefully Gingerbread... hopin... the actual device looks great though. I like the slate design.
Me wants.
Me drools
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As far as bettery life is concerned I doubt it will make a huge impact. From what I've read the dual core designs don't really require much more power than their single core counterparts so I imagine they would have a 2ghz CPU designed similarly in efficiency. I'm with the idea though that it sounds like overkill but if you put the hardware out someone will find a way to use it. With this phone being as fast as it is ill imagine ill be able to ride out my contract with it no problem. I like having the latest and greatest but if nothing really takes advantage of it before the next Gen comes out its not worth it. It is amazing to see the strides these smartphones are taking.
Cool. But it's so worthless.
the 1ghz hummingbird processor is fast enough for EVERYTHING.
And the design.. it's nothing special. All these phones are looking for and more alike (iphone shape-ish). They need to create something a bit more fancy.
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Cool. But it's so worthless.
the 1ghz hummingbird processor is fast enough for EVERYTHING.
And the design.. it's nothing special. All these phones are looking for and more alike (iphone shape-ish). They need to create something a bit more fancy.
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I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.
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I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.
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Agreed. I want to buy the Otterbox case when it comes out, but I really don't want to cover up the phone's good looks with it. The checkering on the back cover looks really great. And it's so slim! This is a dilemma of great proportions.
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I must say I think the captivate it one of the best looking phones out.
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I'm not a really big fan of the Captivate's design. All the curves just end up wasting space for no particular reason other than to look cool while at the same time making it so different from other phones that there are far, far fewer accessories available for us than pretty much any other 2.1/2.2 Android phone.
I like that CGI mockup of a possible Galaxy S2, it's minimalist and would be very well suited to having an aftermarket case, unlike ours, which tend to look way too rounded after putting on a case.
The thing I'm most interested in is if the AT&T version of the phone will again be a stripped down, gimped, bloatware-filled version of the international version. I will not buy another smartphone until there is one available that has a FFC and a flash. I think it's pretty silly to go through the trouble of redesigning the entire outer casing of the phone while removing features. You're just spending more money for less (it costs far more to make a separate production line for new bodies than it does to simply keep the FFC in; as we've all seen from the Vibrant mods, the FFC assembly is DIRT CHEAP).
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Agreed. I want to buy the Otterbox case when it comes out, but I really don't want to cover up the phone's good looks with it. The checkering on the back cover looks really great. And it's so slim! This is a dilemma of great proportions.
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Yeah I wont be throwing a case on this bad boy. I was actually going to look into maybe clear coating this thing or something just to give it a little resiliance but since I have insurance ill just rma a new one if gets too beat up
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I'm not a really big fan of the Captivate's design. All the curves just end up wasting space for no particular reason other than to look cool while at the same time making it so different from other phones that there are far, far fewer accessories available for us than pretty much any other 2.1/2.2 Android phone.
I like that CGI mockup of a possible Galaxy S2, it's minimalist and would be very well suited to having an aftermarket case, unlike ours, which tend to look way too rounded after putting on a case.
The thing I'm most interested in is if the AT&T version of the phone will again be a stripped down, gimped, bloatware-filled version of the international version. I will not buy another smartphone until there is one available that has a FFC and a flash. I think it's pretty silly to go through the trouble of redesigning the entire outer casing of the phone while removing features. You're just spending more money for less (it costs far more to make a separate production line for new bodies than it does to simply keep the FFC in; as we've all seen from the Vibrant mods, the FFC assembly is DIRT CHEAP).
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to me I think the phone shouldn't look like it needs to be covered up with a case. I'm not so sure I understand where your coming from on the design/ accessories issue as I really have not noticed us lacking something other phones have but I really don't keep up with that stuff. I agree about the flash and FFC. I was a little disappointed when I saw a flash was not included.
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Lee1733 said:
Quite impressed but I agree with the author - instead of focusing on putting out faster processors that barely make a difference with the apps that we have, they should really work on increasing battery life. If the 2ghz makes the battery last a shorter time than my Captivate then it just isn't worth it. I'd much rather have the same specs we have now but with a battery that can last 2 full days with normal use instead of one. I'm not saying I'm unhappy with my current battery life, it easily gets me through a day, but I'd prefer to only charge every other day if the option was there.
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Yeah. I'm with Lee on this one. If it is single core, aps will open marginally quicker with the performance limiter being the wireless network. The only benefit I can see if multitasking. I foresee a 2ghz single core phone having poor performance in battery life. A dual core properly architectured can come out with similar battery performance to single. I wish Samsung would focus on improving the current product, and understand the fact that their phones have to be hacked...not to overclock, or over perform; but to make the phone perform the way the hardware allows it to. Not what the software limits it to. I am sure they formatted the drives to preserve the battery life, and not hit the processor so hard, but hey if you roll out a 1GHZ CPU, it should run like a 1GHZ CPU. I love the hardware and look forward to an official release of Froyo. Until then the leaked version with lag fix works great for me. (GPS and all)
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As far as bettery life is concerned I doubt it will make a huge impact. From what I've read the dual core designs don't really require much more power than their single core counterparts so I imagine they would have a 2ghz CPU designed similarly in efficiency. I'm with the idea though that it sounds like overkill but if you put the hardware out someone will find a way to use it. With this phone being as fast as it is ill imagine ill be able to ride out my contract with it no problem. I like having the latest and greatest but if nothing really takes advantage of it before the next Gen comes out its not worth it. It is amazing to see the strides these smartphones are taking.
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I hear the sound of a veteran over zealous overclocker. Let me check, what bridge (s) for pencil overclock?
I just want a higher resolution display. Not to sound like an apple fanboy but what the heck was Samsung thinking? I can see the pixels so clearly on this display (maybe cause its super amoled )
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I have been having numerous arguments with people regarding Android vs the rest.
We all know that Android is an operating system, that is used by many phone manufacturers - therefore it CANNOT be compared to iPhone directly and vise versa!
Same thing is about Windows OS.
What I am trying to say is that Android equipment manufacturers have to step up the game. I believe that making a new phone every other month is a BIG NO NO. Especially when the phone is not well tested.
As an example, I own myTouch 4G. First one had a washed out screen and not working Genius button. Second one had a spic of dust under the screen, but lucky for me - it had both good screen and eMMC. So I decided to keep it. Other folks have their phones die on them because of the bad eMMC chip.
Similar issue goes to the G2 (I read about bad eMMC chips). I also heard that Sensation has some issues too!
I witnessed people exchanging up to 7 phones, and yet to get a good one.
On the other hand, Samsung devices are seem to be very plastic on the touch. I did held them in hand. Yes, the screen looks gorgeous, but the phone itself feels bad in the hand.
LG is another story.
I haven't tried or read about SE phones.
You would ask, why the hell did I write this all?
I simply want to voice my opinion. I just sick to see all these phones popping out and then read that one has bad power button, another has 2 types of screen, and then get one of them. I really want to see Android rise up in class!
Heck for not having problems I could have gone with iPhone, but I am an Android fan and chose it because it can do what I need!
I believe with the resources that Samsung, HTC, LG and other have - they can do so much better!
Lets discuss what bad sides Android phones have and what can be improved. I think it is more productive topic than fighting over blindly.
The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
There's nowhere near the level of QC there used to be in the 'real' smartphones - Treos, Communicators, iPAQs etc.
I think they do a pretty good job, there's a fit and finish for just about every taste out there today. The target audience has changed a lot, the userbase has expanded exponentially, plus there are many more manufacturers today, all vying for a slice of the pie - price competitiveness has a lot to do with this, too.
It sucks, but these things are built to be thrown away. Why pump billions of dollars into the fit and finish of something outdated two weeks after it hits the streets? Sucks for us, but 'near enough is good enough' for the manufacturers, and fair enough in my opinion
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The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
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Agreed about Samsung durability, I've dropped my phone on probably every surface and it is still good.
As for android there many problems with the OS. No hardware acceleration is probably big on my list. My nexus runs pretty good but I do notice lag from time to time. Stock browser is a joke to use, hella amounts of lag when viewing pics and forget about even viewing flash, so opera for me.
I hope ICS will live up to the hype, because I'm really digging the Nokia and windows mobile deal. Only time will tell...
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I was rooting for androids latest iteration to blow at least iOS out of the water but if that leaked nexus build is a final it doesn't even look smooth on a nexus device...
Who know?Probably NOT a final build as it as no acceleration. Word is that ICS will have hardware acceleration for both the interface and browser.
We will see.It does look impressive though....
On quality:My HTC Desire is horrendous, all buttons are almost dead, that has to do with quality. On the other hand my Huawei IDEOS X5 is surprisingly good for what i paid for (hint: zero but costs about 199euros).
If you want quality go for a truly expensive and good phone like the gs2, if not buy smething cheaper.
P.S. the buttons on the iphone 4 HAVE problems.3 of my friends went to the applestore to change them.That is not good build quality imho.
Eh, I like dells build quality though they fail as a software company. Honestly though I do hope ics is more impressive than it looked in that video because that was just slow and choppy, then again I guess the default UI of android isn't what's supposed to sell android. It's the customization options available.
I have a HTC Desire HD, and in my oppinion Android+Sense is the best mobile combo. all the good things from android + an awesome HTC skin.
Company's like Samsung don't make skins for their phones. I think that they should start making them. Ans if they do that, i might buy a Samsung phone or something like that after my HTC. But if they dont start making skins, i don´t want them...
i like my desire with htc sense, also like iphone with long time battery.
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The reason for Samsung's "plastic" feel is durability, you drop a metal phone then the weight is going to make it more likely to break, the plastics Samsung uses often just has the back pop off, maybe a scratch.
As for HTC, they're just not a quality company. They build devices that are pretty from afar but once you use them they often have horrid flaws. Very little quality control.
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i own HTC devices with metal... and all of them are broken, chipped so badly i have to pull out my sandy paper or file to smooth the metal back out, because the phone shell has been ripped apart after many close encounter with the floor
since i switched to Samsung the plastic design has proven that it can handle the drops much better than the metal
I got an issue with samsung and their software updates.
I've been lucky so far with HTC. Good build quality and frequently updated software.
If I need to trade off iphone quality for the freedom of Android, I will.
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There got to be some military grade glass, that will hold all kinds of abuse. My back cover of Glacier is already swinging from side to side. I really hope that this upcoming Nexus will fix all of the issues I, and many other, have with Android phones build quality.
I still do not get, where did samsung got info that 4.65" screen is good for everyone?
hmm. interesting thread, and views.
my experience hasn't been so great with samsung phones. i had a samsung moment and that thing was terrible. and apparently the gs2 is having some problems as well. users have reported problems with the screen/display having some kind of stain like color on it, and the wifi antenna has also been reported by many to be skittish.
not surprising to me. that's what happens when you push a device out based on deadlines rather than completion of thorough testing. regardless of what company is putting the phone out - HTC, samsung, LG... any of them will have problems if they don't ensure a good testing phase pre-release.
i went from the moment to the evo 3D, and the difference is night and day. and i have handled a gs2 and all i can say is i am not impressed. it feels weak and flimsy and in the end, it's still a samsung to me, with the samsung company behind it. i will never own one. but that's just me.
meanwhile, my evo 3D seems to be just a powerhouse in the performance area. i consistently hit quadrant scores over 4300 and linpack scores of 100+ and RL benchmark is completed in about 18 seconds.
there are merely a couple phones out there putting numbers like that down consistently. i know it is that fast in reality, as well, because performing tasks such as viewing, zipping, and opening pdfs from my work email are done extremely fast, and significantly faster than when the phone wasn't rooted with a custom rom/kernel.
just my opinion, but if you can't see the advantage in power and functionality in the android OS, you are not using your phone for anything other than playing games and texting.
I played this bubble game, it's fun. After a few rounds I found myself always stopped in the middle by the app ad and when I restarted the game, the previous records were all gone. Annoying!
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I played this bubble game, it's fun. After a few rounds I found myself always stopped in the middle by the app ad and when I restarted the game, the previous records were all gone. Annoying!
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I love the relevance! Made my day so far
I agree with most of your arguments, but there's nothing we can do about it.
Manufacturers are still going to release one smartphone per month because people are used to buy tons of different phones to show to their friends.
More smartphones = more profit.
Doesn't matter if for the market it would be a lot better to play with only one "model" like iPhone does.
Let's hope that Google's Nexus can step up its game and be the iPhone rival.
I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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I believe that we have a truly amazing device in our hands. If you love your oneS then the least you could do is to write a good review about somewhere like on amazon or something especially since now we have some saboteurs trying to ruin our devices name and drop its rating to zero. But in actuality if our device gets horrible reviews no new developers will come here to work with our phones. I don't believe that is fair and so I am starting my own campaign called goodreview-Aday where I will give positive feedback on our device and rate it high on several major websites that sell our phone such as amazon eBay etc. Everybody can join me to keep development alive for our phone! If everybody not experiencing the alleged issue wrote one good review on one site their evil little "campaign" will have no chance!
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
Fastest android mobile currently
IMO sense V4
Regarding the first post, developers won't go by "user reviews" on shop sites, they will look into all the hardware detail and kernel source/drivers/software stuff etc. and if they like what they see then they will buy it.
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
Terminator19 said:
Amazing build/perceived quality compared to any other android mobile
Great design/looks
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Agreed, and now that they seem to have done something about the metal arc oxidation issues its build quality is great.
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Amazing audio, which is only matched by the GS 3 and perhaps the iphone 5
One of the best cameras
Great battery life out of the box, again best there is for android phones
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Yes, yes and yes, the Beats gimmick aside the regular audio output is of very good quality as GSMArena's measurements show. Camera is a delight to use, although the S3 version has a small buffer lag between shots. Battery life, surprisingly, seems to be very similar between the S3 and S4 models.
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The S4 version yes, the S3 version no.
IMO sense V4
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Yes, Sense 4 is really good, better than TouchWiz although I suspect most people on XDA prefer stock Android if it means faster updates
Personally, I think the One S was a really good phone when it launched, but the change to the S3 processor has changed my view of the model significantly; it is still a good phone for what it is but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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What's so amazing about this phone?
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Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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Not any more, HTC have reworked the One S to use the Snapdragon S3, and for most regions outside the US at least all newly manufactured units will be the revised spec.
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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but the price is too high for a phone using a 2010 chip.
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Completely agree about that with regards to the S3 version.
Regarding the battery and speed, I thought it was the other way round (in real world usage), battery much worse and performance isn't as good but for standard usage like games etc. there isn't a huge difference.
Doesn't help when no one has posted any info. on the battery of the S3 though i.e. screen shots and detailed info..........
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I agree this device is amazing-but Htc needs to step up their game and provide S-Off and in general be more developer friendly -Htc Dev has done more harm then good it seems to me and recovery is a mess some use twrp others prefer cmw - If Htc would show better support It would be one the best phones to date Just my 2c
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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^Absolutely agree with this. Recovery really is a mess.
The rest of the device is overall good, but there are some cons to go with the pros.
+ Nice display, accurate colors. PenTile didn't bother me a bit. Great viewing angles and black is truly black, unlike on the Samsung devices where black appears blotchy. 4.3 for me seems the sweet spot for screen size and overall phone size.
+ Slimness of device is nearly unparalleled.
+ Speed (based on S4) is best-in-class
+ Battery life (on Sense ROMs) is excellent
+ Camera and Video capabilities are excellent
- Overall call quality on the latest two radios is awful. Crackling and full of static. This is subjective, and I'm in Los Angeles, which isn't known for amazing AT&T voice quality. This leads me to
- Inconsistent data speeds. Again subjective, but my Lumia 800 seems to pull down faster and more consistent speeds on the ATT HSPA network.
- SIM Cover starts to creak if you remove it more than the first time you install your SIM.
- Placement of the power button at top right for this tall a device is not ergonomic. AOSP/CM10-based ROMs enable wake via volume rocker, which is useful, but inconsistent.
- Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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Recoveries come from our local friendly developers if your recovery is a mess contact them it is no way htcs fault. I love this phone despite no s-off. And that's okay for me lol we will steal it from the Onex one day lol.
For the new radios and your crackling problem, most unlocked android devices have this issue when you unlock them I have a sidekick 4g on att right now and this on tmob and there is a compareable difference
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I absolutely love this device. I had the choice between the one s and the s3 and chose this one and am really pleased. It fits my hands perfectly and outperforms most devices. The battery life is unparalleled. I average 4 to 6 hours on screen time while some friends with s3's only get 2 hours with power saving on. The lack of s off is little annoying but not that big of a deal for me since my hboot is so low. As for the people spreading negative reviews in hopes to "teach HTC a lessons" this is a horrible approach. Operation rolling thunder should be stopped!!
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And the UK still has quite a lot of S4's. Although S3's are being sold here as well, but not sure which places are selling only those versions. I think amazon are only supplying the S3 versions now. AFAIK the network shops still have supplies of the S4 version.
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Just wanted to mention that on Tuesday 11/09/2012 i received my nice new htc one s from talktalk.co.uk ( run on vodafone network) and it is a Z560e model (Ville C aka S3) version, personally i am not to bothered but figured worth mention for anyone who maybe intrested in UK
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Only the best CPU chipset, better than the quad in the GS 3 and X (s4)
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
My One S
My S one is about 5 months old. After years as a Nokia fan-boy I finally gave in and reluctantly jumped ship. So I was presented with a problem: Which phone do I get. I won't be taking up a place in a queue for the new iPhone 5 with the iSheep - as a Ubuntu user getting an android was a no-brainer. I chose the One S because 1/ it wasn't Samsung (my personal prejudice) 2/ the One X was slightly too big for my taste.
I know Nokia missed a very big boat by sticking with Symbian for so long, but on a personal level I was happy because I know them inside out I can mod them easily and enjoyed playing about with them despite the limitations. In fact the limitations made it more of a challenge and more interesting.Eventually the lack of progress Symbian was making, combined with the fact that Nokia jumped in to bed with Micros*#t forced my hand. So to be honest, I waited for T-Mobile to deliver my One S with very little enthusiasm. That's changed. I love my One S.
So as it's my first Android I can't say its any better or worse than a Galaxy III, a WildFire or a Nexus. I do know that I am very happy with it. On the hardware side I am happy about the lovely big screen, the slim casing and the nice finish. I am very happy with the processor speed and flawless screen refresh. Battery life could be better, but I will never be happy with battery life. Software wise, I am happy that there are people out there making ROMs which while flawed are keeping me very busy and making me feel like I have a new phone every week or so. I am happy that I have a JB based ROM while HTC has yet to release the "official" JB for the One S.
Which is all a long winded way of saying I love it.
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? better ? u idiot.
Just because it's A15Krait u got 2 cores....that GUN Exynos 4412 have it A9 but 4 cores son.
Which is rapes your HTC one S.. I didn't talk about ****ty Adrenno 225....which is garbage.
So don't talk about better or not.
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
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Saving the biggest for last, is the keyboard accuracy. The stock Sense keyboard is terrible, but the replacements in the market aren't much better. I consistently make ridiculous typing mistakes on Android's keyboards even after calibrating them. How many times do I have to type out 'The quick brown fox jumps over a lazy dog' in order to have it make a difference? This is, again, subjective, but with my large hands on a large device with plenty of screen real-estate, the keyboard should just work. And unfortunately on this device, it doesn't.
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I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Nice grammar, who is the idiot?
Obviously, you have no clue, "OMG has quad, must be better!"
Firstly lets have a look at performance, shall we?
Have a look at these benchmarks of the X (s4 version) compared to the GS 3:
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i9300_galaxy_s_iii-review-761p5.php
Notice how any test, which relies solely on the CPU is better on the S/X (S4)? Take it that isn't enough? Here have another benchmark comparison by another expert site:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/3
Once again, notice the CPU dependant tests?
Heck even the one S and XL holds it own very well in the other tests that are reliant on the GPU etc.
So much better performance per core (which is much better rather than having an extra 2 cores considering nearly every android app still doesn't fully utilise dual core let alone quad, therefore the much better performance for one core is better!).
However, that is just benchmarks, which only shows the potential power and doesn't really relate to real world usage. Have you actually used the mobiles yourself and compared tasks to see which is quicker?
I have (along with many others phones) and the S is the quickest/snappiest android device there is, quicker than the GS 3 especially in launching/loading apps, game levels, installing apps/games, loading thumbnails in the gallery etc.
Now onto battery life/power efficiency:
Lets take the XL for this test as it is more fair since it has the 720P res. and bigger screen, although it does have a much smaller battery compared to the GS 3, but have a look here anyway:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/5868/htc-one-s-review-international-and-tmobile/2
Although I always take benchmarks for battery life with a pinch of salt as they aren't exactly a great representative when it comes to real world usage.
But reading through many posts, XL users are able to get up 6 hours on screen time (auto brightness) spread across 1-2 days, where as the best that GS 3 users seem to get is around 5 hours spread across 1-2 days, on average the XL users are getting 4-5 hours on screen time with 1-3 days usage and on average the GS 3 users are getting 3-4 hours on screen time spread across 1-2 days.
Can you read the graphs ok?
Also nothing wrong with the battery life on my stock S and same goes for many other people. Like to see GS 3 users get the same as me with my usage......
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27665378#post27665378
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=27010378#post27010378
Now onto the heat that the chips generate, well there simply is no contest in this area, here is a video comparing the S4 to the exynos dual core chip used in the GS 2 and some other CPU, which is used in one of Motorola's phones:
And the exynos quad won't run any cooler than the S4.
Oh and yup the adreno 225 combined with the S4 is real xxxxx, oh wait..........
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6121/glbenchmark-25-performance/2
I personally find the typing is very good even with the sense keyboard.
With swiftkey it is even better!
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Closed Source Project said:
Please don't be a ****. From your signature it looks like you don't even have this device. You are probably one of the trolls who wrote bad reviews.
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Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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laggy? sense 4.0 on my one s is less laggy than my friends SGS3 and even iphone4.
you sir, are biased and doesnt know what you are talking about.
and about the phones people buy, that has to do nothing with the wellness of the phones, its absolutely marketing, which HTC lacks alot.
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Biased? lol yeah right I dont even own those phones. And to say that sense 4.0 is smoother than Touchcrap 4.0 and iOS5 is just outright lying. Yes it's smoother than sense 3.0 but it's still laggy and I have been following the One X long enough to know that A LOT OF people complain about how laggy sense 4.0 was.
And FYI people dont ask about HTC not because HTC doesnt advertise enough. As a matter of fact a lot people know about them. They just dont buy them because HTC has the reputation of making buggy phones. And as a former owner of 2 HTC phones I cant say I disagree.
louis.b said:
Just because I dont own it doesnt mean I havent used it. I work for a phone shop and my co-worker has this phone. I think it's "interesting" to see HTC uses the S3 in the version sold in all regions in Asian Pacific, and yet charges the same price as the S4 version. Not sure how amazing Sense 4.1 will be once it comes but from what I've seen out of the box it's laggy. But I guess it's gonna really a big injustice since no-one asks for it anyway. Everyone buys either Samsung or Apple or (rarely) One X.
I think I should shut my mouth because when people say the truth on here they are often mistaken for being trolls and get banned. Scary.
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You got an S3, didn't you? I'm sorry about that and have been quite out-spoken about HTC's idiotic behavior regarding other countries, but the S4 One S is a great piece of machinery.
I have never had on hands experience with the S3 version so can't comment on it, however, when I have had my S4 one S side by side with the GS 3 (quad) and the 4s, the one S has been quicker/snappier/instant smartphone and the GS 3 appears smoother overall, although this is largely down to the animations and the animation scaling used, when JB arrives on both phones there should be no difference at all then really, in terms of smoothness.
I have found the 4s/4 to be laggy in quite a few places personally and not as silky smooth as what many people make it out to be.
Also, the one X hardware (tegra 3) was very poorly optimized with sense/ICS, when the mobile was first released, it was so laggy and nowhere as instant as the one S (S4), since the last update it has improved somewhat, however, still not as good as the S (S4) and GS 3, with JB it should be much better as the nexus 7 has the exact same hardware and it is smoother and faster than both the GS 3 and S, of course assuming HTC don't **** up with driver optimisation on sense Vxx whatever it will be with JB.
Regarding why people don't get HTC handsets, yes for some reason people seem to think they're an awful company with poor phones, I would have agreed with some of their phones (largely the desire HD, IMO their worst phone), however, most of their phones (especially the one series) are actually very good and out of the people I know who have a HTC android device have been very happy with theirs and not had any problems (a lot of people absolutely love sense, the homescreen and widgets impresses the "average joes" a lot). And it does largely come down to marketing/brand in the end, as in the UK here, the majority of ads that I see on TV, posters on bus stops etc. is for the GS 3, iphone, GS 2, galaxy ACE & Ace 2 (the Ace mobiles are bundled with very good network deals though, the ads aren't actually for the phones themselves) along with a few for the one X and virtually no ads at all for the one S (still have not seen a single ad on TV for the one S), people automatically recognise the GS 3 and iphones where as with the likes of HTC phones people aren't sure about them and automatically think they aren't good since they never heard of them.
It is a shame because HTC did start the "empire" of android with the hero, desire and nexus one, dread to think where android would be now if it weren't for them.
No matter how I think about it, still makes no sense. I still think people who are working on this are either seriously mistaken, or intentionally participating in a scam for development funding.
Modularity Overhead, Physical Size
This is the number 1 huge in your face problem they have to deal with, and people don't seem to be taking this seriously enough. The guy at the conference bragged about "25%" overhead, which already seems impossibly small. But even if it were true, it still wouldn't be small enough. Simple question, would you buy a Galaxy S5 that's 25% heavier and 25% thicker and 25% larger around the edges? You would not! Because no smartphone is that big! It's enormous! And it'll be over 10mm thick! Who the **** buys a 10m+ thick phone now days?
The latest prototype they have now has about 100% overhead in volume.
"Benefits" to a Modular Phone
Simply put, it does not exist, period. Remember your last phone? Why did you upgrade to the new Droid Turbo? Because it has the Snapdragon 805 chip? Or because it has a 2k screen? Or was it the camera? Or maybe? ALL OF THEM? The ASSUMPTION in the original phone block video, that people upgrade or swap phones because of a single component is simply false! Because
Firstly, modern phones are so incredibly reliable that none of the components ever get broken except the screen.
Secondly, you can replace your screen for possibly cheaper than it would cost to buy a new Ara screen module!
Thirdly, It would be stupid to put a 2k screen on your Ara phone with Snapdragon 400 SoC because it will lag this **** out of you. And who is ever going to upgrade from a 720p screen to another 720p screen?
Forthly, It's equally stupid to put a 20MP camera on your phone with Tegra 3 SoC because it doesn't support 20MP cameras! And even if it did you don't want a laggy ass camera experience do you? And neither do you want to viewfind a 20MP camera with your WVGA screen!
So, the assumptions that people would want to swap out modules, and the assumption that people change phones because a single component has failed, are BOTH FALSE! But sadly these are what the Ara project is entirely based on!
Other problems
How the **** are you going to build a centralised communications board that supports the bandwidth requirements of components even a year in the future? Without itself being ultra futuristic and expensive from the start? Because you don't want it to bottleneck your camera for 4K recording. Or you new 2k screen. Or your ultra fast LTE Cat-6 modem.
One of the biggest reasons people want to change phones is battery life. How the **** are you going to fit bigger batteries without it bulging out at a random corner and make the phone difficult to balance on your hand and a million times more ugly than the extruding camera on the iPhone 6? Because the grid is fixed and has a super small slot for the battery?
Another big reason people change phones is screen size. Well no luck here because you can't change screen size. So you can maybe change to a marginally better screen at the cost of a hundred dollars or more.
Drop the phone and have your components scatter all over the place. Or have a back cover to further increase thickness. But oh wait, you can't have a back cover because some of your components like the high end camera and big battery are bulging out in a CUSTOMISED and UNIQUELY YOURS way that you can't find a suitable back cover. Maybe you can try duck tape?
Target Market
Who is the target consumer of this device? People who don't already have a smartphone you said? How about they but a Chinese smartphone for $100 that will work just fine until the screen is smashed and have it replaced for $10? Rather than spending $200 on a mid-high range piece of **** like this and loose components because they fell off into the gutter on the side of the street? I mean these high precision engineering aren't cheap, and the end result can't be cheap either!
Maybe enthusiasts just like people who build their own PCs? Yeah good luck with the fixed screen size! What about the Galaxy S6 which is cheaper (because no need for the electro magnet and extra systems like central skeleton), thinner lighter smaller, with bigger screen and bigger battery? Now don't tell me you can swap out the GPU on your project Ara phone! As a PC gamer myself I don't even swap parts on my PC that often. Except the storage (*cough* micro SD card), and the graphics card.
Or maybe people who don't really care how their phone worked, as long as it does? Regular consumers? Like iPhone users? Yea right!
Sorry for long post. But I just don't get it.
Uh, Project Ara is a Google project...
I highly doubt Google would risk running a scam.
And dont forget it's just the first prototype. They start the downscaling once it works, not beforehand.
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jacobgong said:
....I still think people who are working on this are either seriously mistaken, or intentionally participating in a scam for development funding.....
Or It's a curtain maybe they are working on alien-powered new devices...
...You would not! Because no smartphone is that big! It's enormous! And it'll be over 10mm thick! Who the **** buys a 10m+ thick phone now days?
The latest prototype they have now has about 100% overhead in volume.
Big sells, now lets see if heavy and bulgy sell ...
Forthly, It's equally stupid to put a 20MP camera on your phone with Tegra 3 SoC because it doesn't support 20MP cameras! And even if it did you don't want a laggy ass camera experience do you? And neither do you want to viewfind a 20MP camera with your WVGA screen!
Yeah pretty much ... totally stupid!
So, the assumptions that people would want to swap out modules, and the assumption that people change phones because a single component has failed, are BOTH FALSE! But sadly these are what the Ara project is entirely based on!
I think a certain category of user would, but this kind of user keep awake at night to scout the net for the cheapest possible hardware so it's a bit like selling a 20$ burger at McDonald
How the **** are you going to build a centralised communications board that supports the bandwidth requirements of components even a year in the future? Without itself being ultra futuristic and expensive from the start? Because you don't want it to bottleneck your camera for 4K recording. Or you new 2k screen. Or your ultra fast LTE Cat-6 modem.
I told you previously: ALIEN hardware (LOL)
One of the biggest reasons people want to change phones is battery life. How the **** are you going to fit bigger batteries without it bulging out at a random corner and make the phone difficult to balance on your hand and a million times more ugly than the extruding camera on the iPhone 6? Because the grid is fixed and has a super small slot for the battery?
The answer: it will sport a crappy battery ! Or the aliens could help here too E.T had great batteries in his ship!
Another big reason people change phones is screen size. Well no luck here because you can't change screen size. So you can maybe change to a marginally better screen at the cost of a hundred dollars or more.
Best way to piss off customers: upgrades that cost more than the device
Drop the phone and have your components scatter all over the place. Or have a back cover to further increase thickness. But oh wait, you can't have a back cover because some of your components like the high end camera and big battery are bulging out in a CUSTOMISED and UNIQUELY YOURS way that you can't find a suitable back cover. Maybe you can try duck tape?
Yeah your right magnets wont hold for sure , but again the aliens!
Or maybe people who don't really care how their phone worked, as long as it does? Regular consumers? Like iPhone users? Yea right!
Not me for sure (or you for that matter)
Sorry for long post. But I just don't get it.
me neither!
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Will you pre-order ?
P.S you forgot to bash the name!
ARA are HUGE parrots godamn sign of things to come?!
would you believe
LOL. you see the very best answer if you are a XDA user and YOu still don't believein Google project ara, There are people on earth even still today those who believe NASA never send MAN on MOON. They did everything in earth in desert...
Believe my friend . Its true. Even one of leading newspaper in India has posted a review and a big article that they saw a prototype.
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LOL. you see the very best answer if you are a XDA user and YOu still don't believein Google project ara, There are people on earth even still today those who believe NASA never send MAN on MOON. They did everything in earth in desert...
Believe my friend . Its true. Even one of leading newspaper in India has posted a review and a big article that they saw a prototype.
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I know there is a prototype and I know the prototype is real. The question being raised here is also not whether it's technically feasible with limitless budget, which would be the case for the Apollo landings.
This is a consumer product and MONEY is a huge factor. I have no doubt that they could do it technically, but there is no reason to believe that such a product would be economically competitive to other products made by equally smart engineers, backed by equally rich companies.
jacobgong said:
I know there is a prototype and I know the prototype is real. The question being raised here is also not whether it's technically feasible with limitless budget, which would be the case for the Apollo landings.
This is a consumer product and MONEY is a huge factor. I have no doubt that they could do it technically, but there is no reason to believe that such a product would be economically competitive to other products made by equally smart engineers, backed by equally rich companies.
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Money is always the factor. But what you see when the computer was first launched it is a thing for very rich people. But if u see today the you hold computer In your hand. Well right the cellphone. It's the baby born from technological advancements that happened over the passage of years. Companies worked to bring down the cost of those hammer head computers.
Same goes here. Today we have so much technological advancements that has made the pace of development very high. The project at first look very alien to people but once its started it comes to life. Don't worry its Google who need to be worried about how they gonna make it that much cheap. Now to people Google glass seem very bad device though it is not. As we move toward future things and uses will start getting clear. So just let the things have their way up to the end. Google is not small company who bet without thinking anything on Ara. Well now Google holds the patents from Motorola. People questioned why google acquired Motorola. Well for patents for sure....why Microsoft bought Nokia just for their patents. Its money....
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A few months ago I was in Sam's Club, and an AT&T salesman cornered me to try to sell me a new phone. I wasn't really all that interested; but my goddaughter was with me and wasn't done shopping yet, so I figured I'd let him pitch me.
He started talking about the camera on whatever phone he was pushing, and I interrupted him. "I don't care about the camera," I said. "What chipset does it have?"
Almost without skipping a beat, he started talking about the camera again. So I stopped him again and asked about something else, probably the battery capacity.
He picked up right where he left off talking about the amazing camera. I walked away.
More recently, I've been looking at phones to possibly (well, inevitably, eventually) replace a V20. On practically every manufacturer's site, at least three quarters of the page for any given phone is devoted to the camera and all the things it can do. Sometimes I can't even find the specs I'm looking for and have to search for them on Google. Sometimes it seems almost as if the manufacturers want to hide the specs -- except for the camera -- even when they're quite impressive.
I rarely use the camera on my phone. When I do, it's usually to take a picture of the serial number of something I'm looking for parts for, showing someone how much snow fell where I live, or some similarly boring or mundane thing. It's the absolute last thing I care about on a phone. But it seems to be the thing manufacturers spend the most time marketing.
Trying to find out how the audio quality on the earpiece is, on the other hand, is almost impossible -- at least on Web sites. One would think they'd upload a sound sample because it is, after all, a phone. How it sounds should count for something, no?
The last time I was in an AT&T store to pick up a SIM card, they tried to sell me a phone. That's okay. It's what they do; and at that time, I was actually interested in the V20 (which I eventually wound up buying, but from a distributor). I asked the salesman if he had one activated that I could listen to. He looked at me like I had two heads. I guess he never came across a customer who actually wanted to know what a phone sounded like. Am I the only one left who actually uses phones to make phone calls?
My process of searching for a new phone goes something like this:
1. Narrow down by processor, chipset, and RAM.
2. Narrow down by band support.
3. Find YouTube teardown videos to determine the difficulty of replacing the batteries in the remaining candidates, and eliminate the ones that seem designed to make it as hard as possible.
4. Search for comments about sound quality and battery life.
5. Start looking for the best deals.
I couldn't care less about the cameras because even the worst ones are good enough for what I use them for. Apparently that makes me unusual. It seems to me that most people are looking for a high-quality camera that has Internet access more so than a communication device.
Richard
You are not the only one who doesn't care about phone camera quality. I use mobile phones for gaming, so when I buy phone I first look for it's GPU. Strong GPUs like Adreno 30 series (330, 430, 530, 540 and 630) means in most casses that phones have good CPU. Most today tasks can be done with 4GB of RAM so does phone have 4, 6 or 8gb ram it's no so important for now.
Lilke Studio said:
You are not the only one who doesn't care about phone camera quality. I use mobile phones for gaming, so when I buy phone I first look for it's GPU. Strong GPUs like Adreno 30 series (330, 430, 530, 540 and 630) means in most casses that phones have good CPU. Most today tasks can be done with 4GB of RAM so does phone have 4, 6 or 8gb ram it's no so important for now.
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I tend to keep phones for a long time, so I lean toward bleeding edge hardware. But this obsession with camera quality is starting to get a little ridiculous. Unless people are blowing up the images to poster size, I think we got past the human eye's ability to see the difference quite a while ago.
Another thing I don't care about is whether the phone is waterproof. I'll take a removable battery over waterproofing any day. Also, considering that I own two GoPro cameras that I use underwater all the time, I think the excuse that a phone can't be waterproof and have a removable (or at least user-replaceable) battery is hogwash anyway.
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I tend to keep phones for a long time, so I lean toward bleeding edge hardware. But this obsession with camera quality is starting to get a little ridiculous. Unless people are blowing up the images to poster size, I think we got past the human eye's ability to see the difference quite a while ago.
Another thing I don't care about is whether the phone is waterproof. I'll take a removable battery over waterproofing any day. Also, considering that I own two GoPro cameras that I use underwater all the time, I think the excuse that a phone can't be waterproof and have a removable (or at least user-replaceable) battery is hogwash anyway.
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If you want good camera for big posters and images use DSLR or professional cameras like Sony, Cannon or Nikon for that. Phone cameras will never reach that level of quality because their objective is too small. For every other needs phone camera is just fine. You are right human eye can see differences only on big screens and on high zooms.
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If you want good camera for big posters and images use DSLR or professional cameras like Sony, Cannon or Nikon for that. Phone cameras will never reach that level of quality because their objective is too small. For every other needs phone camera is just fine. You are right human eye can see differences only on big screens and on high zooms.
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Exactly.
Well I care about one good main camera. I don't care for multiple lens, portrait mode, wide angled and all those gimmicks. I think tech reviewers lost touch with reality and most regular people in the real world rarely use all those gimmick features. Having a manual mode is more important to me than the additional lens and gimmicks.
I agree with you OP. Processor, GPU, and RAM are the things most important to me when choosing a phone. That’s what makes a phone snappy and fast. The next are battery life and price. I think for the average buyer, pretty much every phone satisfies their basic need (browsing and running some apps like facebook). What makes them different is the camera, so manufacturers try to capitalize on that.
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I agree with you OP. Processor, GPU, and RAM are the things most important to me when choosing a phone. That’s what makes a phone snappy and fast. The next are battery life and price. I think for the average buyer, pretty much every phone satisfies their basic need (browsing and running some apps like facebook). What makes them different is the camera, so manufacturers try to capitalize on that.
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I agree; and as much as I think the obsession with cameras is silly, at least it's one of the more-positive tactics manufacturers use to sell new phones to people who really don't need them.
Other than gamers, few average users will really notice much (if any) difference in the performance that the hardware improvements of the past few years make possible. If you're using your phone primarily for SMS, WhatsApp, and checking your Twitter and FecesBook feeds, there's little subjective difference between a four-year-old flagship phone and one built this morning.
Natural obsolescence is a function of how a device is used and the demands that newer software make on the device; and most of the software that average users use most simply isn't all that resource-intensive. Either of my V20's are subjectively as zippy today as they were the day I bought them, even on stock ROM with few mods other than uninstalling LG's and AT&T's useless crapware and disabling Google apps that I don't need, when running apps that most typical users use most.
So how to get users to replace phones that still do what they need them to do, and still do it quite well? Enhanced cameras and other gimmicks that may be useless in the real world, but still elicit an "Oh wow!" response, are at least an honest tactic. If people want to pay for useless gimmickry, more power to them. Personally, I'd prefer a cutting-edge processor and GPU, more RAM, and more complete band coverage, than a 108MP camera whose capabilities I'll NEVER make use of. But at least fancy cameras are honest, even if useless for most people.
The tactics that really turn me off -- to the point of swearing of a manufacturer altogether -- are those specifically designed to bring about obsolescence. Making batteries difficult to replace is the most obvious example. I always watch teardown videos before buying a phone, and the degree to which manufacturers are going to assure that average users can't replace their phones' batteries is infuriating to me.
Hiding the battery behind a bazillion cables and connectors is one thing. That makes replacement tedious, but not dangerous. Gluing the battery into the phone, on the other hand, can cause less-knowledgeable DIY-ers to lose their fingers, hands, or eyes if they don't know better than to try to pry the battery out of the phone without somehow loosening the glue.
To me, that's just unconscionable; and although I hope it never happens to anyone, if it does happen, I hope that person sues the living **** out of the phone's manufacturer, wins, and puts them out of business.
The manufacturers' arguments in favor of gluing the batteries in are nonsense. There is no functional reason to glue the battery in at all, much less that tenaciously. The argument that it will rattle otherwise is garbage. All the phones I've owned except one have had removable batteries. None of them rattled. I'm sitting here shaking a V20 as I type this. It doesn't rattle.
Planned obsolescence is bad enough. Planned obsolescence using methods that can maim people is despicable.
I think I can understand why manufacturers opted to use non-removable batteries. It allows them to reduce the phone's thickness (this was the trend when iphone 6 was released). It also allows them to make irregular-shaped batteries, like the one in iphone x, to make room for other components. Last is that it makes it easier for manufacturers to waterproof their device. Though, I agree with you that gluing the battery to the phone is overkill. A simple double-sided tape is enough.