Just looking to poll people to see if they still find value in these Windows RT App ports.
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Just looking to poll people to see if they still find value in these Windows RT App ports.
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Still finding value for ports since I just downgraded back to 8.0... Until 8.1 is jailbroken I am still interested in 8.0..
Heck yes. You're doing amazing work and benefiting the entire community with it.
One program I would like ported is the game Osu! It is perfect for tablets and I wish it was ported to the RT platform.
Unfortunately no. I have ported few apps myself but after seeing lack of interest/lack of appreciation for my work I decided to give up. Not that I need constant praise for what I do and call me dork but I like the feeling that time and effort I put into something result in things that matters to anybody. Unfortunately Windows RT homebrew scene(that's how I call that "desktop apps on Windows RT movement") didn't get of the ground, nobody seems to care, just look at this forum. Someone had to say that.
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Unfortunately no. I have ported few apps myself but after seeing lack of interest/lack of appreciation for my work I decided to give up. Not that I need constant praise for what I do and call me dork but I like the feeling that time and effort I put into something result in things that matters to anybody. Unfortunately Windows RT homebrew scene(that's how I call that "desktop apps on Windows RT movement") didn't get of the ground, nobody seems to care, just look at this forum. Someone had to say that.
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Im pretty sure there are quite a bit of people who care. Don't expect recognition from the work you've done. Just be glad you made an app that someone can use. Don't ruin it for the people who want more programs ported to the RT platform.
MS is still locking windows rt.desktop app for windows rt is game over.next time I prefer atom based tablet.I will say good bye to metro only device.
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Unfortunately no. I have ported few apps myself but after seeing lack of interest/lack of appreciation for my work I decided to give up. Not that I need constant praise for what I do and call me dork but I like the feeling that time and effort I put into something result in things that matters to anybody. Unfortunately Windows RT homebrew scene(that's how I call that "desktop apps on Windows RT movement") didn't get of the ground, nobody seems to care, just look at this forum. Someone had to say that.
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For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is awesome. I haven't had a chance to try qupzilla due to my tablet being in various states of disarray, but I have used FileZilla, Synergy, and I played around with your Quake 3 port.
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For what it's worth, I think what you're doing is awesome. I haven't had a chance to try qupzilla due to my tablet being in various states of disarray, but I have used FileZilla, Synergy, and I played around with your Quake 3 port.
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You have mistaken me with bfosterjr. I'm responsible for some other ports.
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You have mistaken me with bfosterjr. I'm responsible for some other ports.
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My bad, I misread the username who posted it.
As far as what I see you've posted, I believe all I've used was PrBoom.
That being said, doing any ports (especially games, those draw people in) is a great help to the community, and I'm sure that others greatly value the work you're doing. I know I do.
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That being said, doing any ports (especially games, those draw people in) is a great help to the community....
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Agreed. I've noticed that the most download ports have been Quake and Quake 2. Sadly, a bit of the hype died down by the time the DX9 runtime was found and Quake3 was ported. I realize they're not "ground breaking games".. but they're probably the most influential games which just _need_ to be ported before the platform gets any attention. I know early on there was an effort to have a package manager idea floated around to more easily allow people using the Jailbreak to more 'easily' get apps. I'm wondering if something like that would help boost interest again? Any other ideas?
I've certainly noticed a decline in interest the last couple months. I wasn't sure if people lost interest in Jailbroken related apps.. or if Windows RT is just dying a slow death in general. Hence the poll. I've certainly got more apps I'd like to port.. but it does take significant effort sometimes.. and there only seems to be few others contributing apps.
I dont own an RT device but I do love seeing the work that you guys put in to make this platform viable. I dont see myself getting an RT device until they are substantially cheaper than their x86 counterparts and either microsoft pull the chokes out so we can have unregulated access to run our own applications or I can have linux on it and neither of those are likely to happen. Linux on there would be very attractive to me personally.
The work you guys do though is probably the only thing keeping RT useful. I love the idea of RT, but its been poorly executed. In my opinion for RT to be successful it needs to be the full windows 8 experience on ARM, no limitations for drivers and software, OpenGL (well ES would be an acceptable limitation given the hardware) and the whole shebang.
I think MinGW for ARM will probably help the scene a little more. Once its out there then thats a huge ecosystem of software which might well be portable to run on the RT. Even better would be MinGW for ARM running on ARM but I think with MinGW being able to compile itself that its a given you will have that.
I'm still interested, but it is diminishing over time - running 8.1 now so no JB, using the device more and more as an actual productivity device and less as a fun hacking toy, more apps available, etc...
I've not done any ports in a while (real life cutting into hack time) but I did a couple. Was very fun
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Especially since mamiach's newly uncovered hole in Asus VivoTabs, it seems like an 8.1 exploit will be feasible in the future once 8.1 is officially finalized. So your ports are just as valuable as ever - thanks a ton for all your hard work!
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killer app
so.. to the ~10% of you that said we're missing a killer app..
Whats the killer app?
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so.. to the ~10% of you that said we're missing a killer app..
Whats the killer app?
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Chrome.
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Chrome.
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GoodDayToDie was attempting chromium (open source chrome) but my understanding is that it was a huge code base for him to try himself.
Pretty much, yep. I'm going to try again with the new release that's based on their new engine. Some stuff, like the sandbox, still will not work; I'm not going to re-write all their API hooking assembly in THUMB-2 until I find myself way lower on number of projects than I have right now - and for the first release I'm also going to probably go with interpreted JS instead of JIT compiled, so it will be a lot slower. Most of the other features (screw NaCl) should work, though.
I am super grateful for the work you guys have put in. I imagine MiniGW is hindering the breadth of things that can be ported. I know the game I am looking for Ultrastar Deluxe (Open Source Singstar) would get a heap of use from me if I could get it on the Surface RT.
another "killer-app" would be VLC-Player With all These super codecs
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.
Ha! I totally called this the other day. An ARM-based windows would be amazing, but it looks like it won't be here for another 2 years. I probably won't even own a g tablet at that time, but this is good news nonetheless.
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YES!
I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/21/microsoft-to-announce-arm-based-windows-at-ces/
This is good news for all who want alternative os. i love android personally but there are still some things that can only be done in good ol M$ sorry to say.
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Sounds like this is aimed squarely at Cortex-A15 due out shortly and targetted at servers. M$ is running scared, crapping their britches as they had dropped support for everything but x86 which would have meant big business for linux and other OSes with broader CPU support...
(Back in the day, M$ used to support PowerPC, ARM, MIPS, etc. but nobody running anything halfway powerful ruined it by running Windows NT on it... so since nobody bought it, M$ dropped support...)
As to things you can "only do" in Windows: That's unlikely as what you probably want to do will only be available in x86 compatible binary form...
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I can now have the famous "Blue Screen of Death" on my tablet.
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Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.
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Lets be fair here. Force closes on android might as well be a blue screen. And most of us still report issues with having to power cycle the Gtab daily to prevent excessive slowdown. Not that apple is no picnic either. I was plagued by crashing apps constantly on my ipod touch when I had it.
I can definitely see windows being useful to use REAL MS office for documents as well as a whole pile of other "apps" that are just stripped down versions of the desktop version with bugginess to show it. Plus, Microsoft's development model is designed around making windows work(or 'work' if you prefer ) on any piece of hardware you through at it that belongs to a supported chipset family. This SHOULD mean much simpler out of the box installs for people adding windows to their tab on their own accord.
Sure, it's not going to be a solution for EVERYONE, but there is definitely good reason to release it.
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FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.
First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).
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First off, let me say I love AOSP. I also used Mac's exclusively from 1984 to 1991. I'm no fan of apple's closed ecosystem, however. Although I primarily use Windows-based systems, I always maintain a dual-boot with Linux.
I think Microsoft gets bashed way too much these days. The BSOD reference, although funny, isn't really fair. Win7 is a solid operating system and their Mobile7 OS looks very good too.
What really attracts me to AOSP is nearly identical to what got me to switch from apple to PCs (i.e. Microsoft OS) back in 1991--the inherent flexibility of the OS. No doubt Microsoft is in a tough position these days, but I just hate to see them get bashed unfairly--they've done a LOT of stuff right, and continue to do innovative stuff (Kinect, Mobile7).
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M$ is getting what they deserve.
I'll admit that Windows 7 is much better than Vista, but my only use for Windows is for games that won't run under wine.
BSOD: Android equivalent would actually be a kernel panic...
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FCs are NOWHERE near as bad as BSODs... and they're pretty uncommon in a well built Android implementation...
As to apps, I wouldn't get your hopes too high, as I mentioned above this is likely aimed at servers which don't need "Office", and even IF it does show you can bet that there are going to be TONs of apps that just never get ARM versions. I expect this to end up like M$' last experiement in non-x86 arch, i.e. a dismal failure.
M$ is just grasping at straws now as it slowly withers away.
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Quite frankly, BSOD is often just as bad as a FC for me. For me at least, when something force closes the whole system is starting to act slow and choppy. I end up having to reboot anyway.
I find many user experience to be subjective as far as BSOD goes anyway. Honestly, I can count on two hands the number of times I have had a BSOD since I stopped running win98(with the exception being when I had bad ram). Half of these were do to me testing win7& vista release candidates. The rest were due to my own errors with raid drivers.
I'm curious to see what happens with this initiative though. It is difficult to imagine where exactly they will draw the line between Windows Mobile and windows "lite" or whatever they call the new version. I wouldn't be surprised if they get in over their heads and change their development path to the likes of apple/android and expand the mobile platform to these "light" computer architectures.
At the end of the day, I dont think I want a tablet that needs a virus scanner
OK so here's the thing. One of these days I'm gonna have to replace my laptop... it's just dying on me.
I've always been a sceptic on the whole tablet form factor thing. Seems like it would be cool, but I can't figure where it would fit between my laptop and my EVO cause it couldn't replace either one.
Now to tell the truth, some of the new tablets just look amazing (was just looking at the ASUS Transformer Tablet/laptop).
The only thing is I could never get completely away from Windows for some things (eg. Adobe Creative Suite)
My question is, would it be impossible to ever see Windows 7 dual booting with Android on a tablet? (And yes I mean using a purchased license and everything, nothing pirated)
If so, I'd definitely make the switch over to a tablet. Until then, I just don't know...
hmm... bump?
Well....i wouldnt say it is COMPLETELY unreasonable, after all HD2 was able to completely rewrite its bootloader and the peeps here are trying the same with the EVO 4G
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1001601
I honestly think it would come to phones first and there is also no talk of it as of yet.
its not unreasonable. but almost not worth the effort.
till Win7phone becomes more than a wannabe android bastardspawn, or the xZuneMobile.
i think if someone made VMware for Mobile. it would be much easier to change your OS, rather than recode, or edit til you get something functional.
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its not unreasonable. but almost not worth the effort.
till Win7phone becomes more than a wannabe android bastardspawn, or the xZuneMobile.
i think if someone made VMware for Mobile. it would be much easier to change your OS, rather than recode, or edit til you get something functional.[/QUOTE
I bet recoding is so freaking hard, MYN is trying to recode and i bet it is no easy task
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As most tablets are ARM powered devices, Windows 7 will not work.
But if you want to hang around for Windows 8, you will probably have a lot more luck. Microsoft has said it wants to see Windows running on ARM powered tablets, and is spending a lot of effort to make it so.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/microsoft-confirms-arm-support-is-coming-in-windows-will-play-n
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As most tablets are ARM powered devices, Windows 7 will not work.
But if you want to hang around for Windows 8, you will probably have a lot more luck. Microsoft has said it wants to see Windows running on ARM powered tablets, and is spending a lot of effort to make it so.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/microsoft-confirms-arm-support-is-coming-in-windows-will-play-n
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I cant wait to actually see that happen, but will it beat android....hell to the no
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I cant wait to actually see that happen, but will it beat android....hell to the no
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yeah well thats the thing... I love android, but it still can't completely replace me a computer... If i got this transformer, it would work everyday stuff, but I also use the adobe suite a lot, and theres no way thats gonna be available as an app any time soon...
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yeah well thats the thing... I love android, but it still can't completely replace me a computer... If i got this transformer, it would work everyday stuff, but I also use the adobe suite a lot, and theres no way thats gonna be available as an app any time soon...
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It is all up to personal preference after all.......I dont use that stuff so i have less problems, some can be perfect for others in different circumstances
Sorta of how i LOVE the wp7's look and feel but how i love android's open source nature, hardly any restrictions
today i found that ubuntu will bring out a version for android.
This thread is for discuss this:
here is the link http://www.ubuntu.com/devices/android
here is a video
http://www.youtube.com/v/AyeFcldavTk
I wonder if we could tweak it somehow to work with legacy devices too .
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I wonder if we could tweak it somehow to work with legacy devices too .
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Where there's a chef, there's a way
MoPhoACTV Initiative
I don't see the point of this. It's no different than the Atrix thing.
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I don't see the point of this. It's no different than the Atrix thing.
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Except that it's actually a fully-functional OS. Anything that you can do on Ubuntu, you will now be able to do on your phone. This gets us much closer to having a truly pocket-sized computing device.
Pretty cool. Only issue I had was it was incompatible with some programs and some drivers I needed were funky or I would have stayed on Ubuntu instead of jumping back to win 7. Keep up the good work!
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Canonical says the "code is available for end users" though it will require quite some expertise to pull it off. I assume the biggest challenge is getting X to work natively with the phone, but if they can do it, and the code is available, I'm sure it's only a matter of time until someone on this forum gets it working, and boy am I excited! I want this now!
I have yet to see anyone with the code though.
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I don't see the point of this. It's no different than the Atrix thing.
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With Atrix, you'll need their Motorola's "Web top" to run it, but with this, u just need only a TV with HDMI supported to turn your TV to a desktop PC, but still there is some limited though.
According to their site
"so it is easy to integrate into current production roadmaps. The hardware requirements are straightforward and, with a broad range of ARM and x86 hardware supported, it can realistically be added to phones already in development."
It's clearly there is something to do during development process before launching the phone. but I still hope someone can find a way to put this on previous devices too.
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Except that it's actually a fully-functional OS. Anything that you can do on Ubuntu, you will now be able to do on your phone. This gets us much closer to having a truly pocket-sized computing device.
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Yes, but given that it's a phone how much can you really do?
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With Atrix, you'll need their Motorola's "Web top" to run it, but with this, u just need only a TV with HDMI supported to turn your TV to a desktop PC, but still there is some limited though.
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That's a fair point. I was looking at the software only.
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Yes, but given that it's a phone how much can you really do?
That's a fair point. I was looking at the software only.
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I have seen Ubuntu (and its derivatives) run just fine on a computer with a 1.2GHz dual-core processor and 512MB of RAM. It will run OpenOffice just fine, Thunderbird just fine, Chrome just fine, and synaptic (package manager) just fine. No, you won't have all the processing power of a real desktop system but it will be plenty for doing light work (word processing, email, web browsing, maybe light photo editing in GIMP). It will be far more useful than Motorola's little webtop experiment.
And it won't just be a larger display for a mobile OS - it will be a fully functional desktop Linux OS, and completely hacker friendly. This is an exciting prospect!
I want this right now, but I don't have a dual core phone :/ Hopefully by the time my upgrade comes around at the beginning of next year, this will be the norm!
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Wow.. cool!
So...
How's this thing going?
Thought i'd refresh this thread.
1. I have a Galaxy S2 and ran Ubuntu 12.04 on it, using "Complete Linux Installer" (Google Play). The official XDA thread is called "Linux-on-Android [...]" , It's a chroot, VNC connection. I made a video demo from boot till shutdown: www.youtube.com/watch?v=lSId7rzybCk
2. Does anyone know of some working native X for this, for any device at all?
3. There's this concept phone "Nexphone" running "Ubuntu for Android". They're trying to make a prototype with money from Indiegogo: www.indiegogo.com/nexphone but i guess the crowd won't pay them 1 mil. dollars to pull it off.
Ubuntu will pull this off. I'm just not sure how successful it will be.
In any event, I'll be installing it as I run Ubuntu systems anyway.
nice concept
The concept is great and useful in many ways. Maybe we will see an available version of this sometime.
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The concept is great and useful in many ways. Maybe we will see an available version of this sometime.
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Eventually yes. Phones are getting more powerful too. Quadcores are just starting to come out now.
Ubuntu Edge
Just making sure that everybody's heard, that the bird is the word !
Here's Ubuntu Edge, a Phoneputer, which features Android, Ubuntu Phone and Ubuntu for Android!
Link to Indiegogo campaign: http://igg.me/at/ubuntuedge/x/4047467
I own a business and I'm my own secretary, so you could say I work 2 full time jobs. I have not touched my laptop for 2 years. Been using the various transformers as my daily driver. Currently, my infinity is being used daily for work. I have a laser printer mounted inside my car for me to print documents and invoices from my infinity. I do everything, and I mean EVERYTHING, on my infinity. Make my living with it. Run my entire business and keep all records on my infinity. And I keep a daily backup with dropbox.
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity. Would make my life way way way better.
I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
Like I said, I run a business with my infinity. Why won't google develop android to a point where it's more than just a toy for most people?
While this may not be what you want, you can always remote into a desktop somewhere, or even install ubuntu on the tablet itself.
Alternatively, there are many "floating" apps that allow you to run things in windows.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/...vbS5teWJveWZyaWVuZGlzYWdlZWsuYWlyYnJvd3NlciJd
Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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goodintentions said:
It would be great if someone somewhere could develop cornerstone-like split screen ability for my infinity.
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Yes, I'd also like to see that. At least something like Windows 8 has.
goodintentions said:
I'm kinda sad that it seems like no one has picked up cornerstone and tried to make it better. Lots of roms in development, and they kinda all look the same. I'm sorry if I have offended you, but that's what it looks like to me.
I know that the devs are using their own time to do what they love. And I thank them for it. What about google? How come they haven't picked up cornerstone or something like it so that their OS could be even more productive?
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CyanogenMod once planned to integrate Cornerstone, but Google threatened them to lock them out of the app store, because apparently they had concerns about app incompatibilities.
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Hi i've tried to open a thread about that here but I haven't got a response as I wish http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1961027
I hope that someone could help us, lol
By the way, I couldn't download Overskreen web browser on playstore: it said "my device is not compatible" Thanks if smeone knows why
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
Samsung and Google are in the loop on this Multi-View ability because right now SAMSUNG has rolled out Multi-View for the Galaxy Note 2 and now the Galaxy S III.
If SAMSUNG has worked on this Multi-View and Google's approved it, hopefully Google would be wise to get that feature available to every new Android device.
I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
Same here.. I was excited when I did see Cornerstone for the first time. However was saddened to see how old it was and that none taken a stab at it for ours or someone else.
I would pay for such app or even a dev team to really implant this ability.
There was an alpha version of Cornerstone implemented on the Prime, but it certainly wasn't a daily driver...
To the OP - it may help if you provide a bit more info on what sort of apps you want multi task with. I use a browser quite a lot for work, but apparently you don't...
I also do a bit of coding in my spare time, and I've found apps like AirTerm (floating terminal), and ClipIt (universal clipboard) to be pretty helpful, appreciably when used with a floating keyboard and notepad...
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I believe the answer to your problem should be the ASUS Transformer Book, the upcoming hybrid from ASUS. Much as I love Android, Windows is the solution for all business needs.
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I know. I intend to buy the 14 inch i7 as soon as its available.
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I couldn't care less for floating browsers. Again, unlike most other people, I don't treat my infinity as just a toy. I earn a living with my baby (my infinity). All my documents, records, invoices, etc. are kept in this thing.
How many people you know make a living armed with just a tablet-laptop hybrid? I'm not surprised the first response is to tell me to use a floating browser. People have trouble understanding how the infinity could be productive at all. They think I use my infinity to browse the web all day. And money grows on trees.
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I kept on trying to use the TeamEos version of Cornerstone on my Xoom. It's a good idea, but a PITA to implement and use. The only windows that would work without fcing were browser and gmail. You could run one more app in the central window but it would fc sooner or later. Eos didn't officially support it and didn't port it to JB. It's a great idea, like i said, but a real work in process.
Was looking at the Galaxy Note 10.1 Premium Suite upgrade video the other day.
The multitasking was pretty impressive to me.
That's what Google should do. And make use of that virtual buttons black bar in multitasking as right now it is a damn waste of space.
You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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You guys realize that even Google'rs have full-fledged company-issued Windows laptops and that while Google Docs is the "official" product used internally most have MS Office too for working with the outside world. And MS products (as well as others) are also used in the back office to comply with privacy and security requirements as well as data retention regulations. Using any Android tablet (or even Chrome Book) for mission critical work or when you have to share files externally isn't very practical. Just because you can doesn't mean you should.
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I am right there with you! I replace old laptops with these!
We give these out as laptop replacements for sales and marketing staff. They currently use the tf700 as a thin client replacement when at their desk- connected to a 24” hdmi monitor, usb hub with Ethernet, kb/mouse connected also. Many of them connect to a full desktop TS connection, but others are running a remote-app connection that allows the use of any company application without a full desktop having to be presented. This allows them to do most of their work on their android desktop and only launch those applications (like MS Office apps) that they have to. Their other choice would have been a thin client but obviously this is miles better!
I have always had an interest in cornerstone and really with that CM would have done it anyways. You can still use the tf700, just with limited ability to truly multitask. It may not make sense on all devices, but with the tf700, it would be a great device to setup a customizable app resizer to allow several apps to be open next to each other.
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Just curious, which Android RDP client do you use for RemoteApp connections?
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I know. For a while, I was going back and forth between my windows 7 laptop and the original transformer. After months of this, I slowly but eventually stopped using my laptop completely and just carried around my transformer. Yes, there are limitations. I am fully aware of all of them. I carefully weighed out the advantages and disadvantages between a laptop and the transformer and eventually decided that the advantages of the tablet-laptop hybrid outweighed the advantages of the laptop.
This is why I have already put the money aside for the i7 14" transformer book. As soon as it becomes available, I will be among the first to get it.
To me, it's more than just something for the occasional work and game. It's my livelihood. Google seems to have trouble understanding that some of us just don't care much for the games that are available on android. We want true productivity, damn it!
In other news, quasars in iOS is kicking our asses.
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet. As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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That's what xda is for. Using things the way they were intended.
Private Pyle said:
I don't think android was meant to be for managing a business. It's more like a consumer tablet.
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And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
As hajalie24 pointed out, you could install Ubuntu on it. That would suit your needs much better I think. Of course there is risk and you'll have to do some migration.
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I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Are there any specific Android apps you would like to see that support being in their own window?
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Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
goodintentions said:
What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
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It's called a netbook.
goodintentions said:
And people were never meant to fly thousands of feet in the air at incredible speeds, and yet millions of people do it every day.
I've already tried all of that. Too laggy for it to be of any use.
Again, I'm not looking for specific floating apps. I'm a technophile. I've tried them all. What I'm looking for is the portability and long battery life of a tablet combined with true multitasking capabilities of a PC.
Don't get me wrong. For now, I've figured out how to get around all the limitations of android on the infinity. That's how I'm able to run my business with it.
I'm just disappointed and sadden that most people still see the tablet as just a toy and therefore keep developing it to act like a toy. Google's entire presentation of jellybean composed entirely of how great it is for gamming.
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I agree using the tf700 for many work-related activities would make life simpler but I am always going back to windows if I need to write something and I can't even imagine trying to create a power point on this. I prefer reading on it but generally use it for entertainment. What kind of work arounds have you done to get this functional?
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Coors said:
It's called a netbook.
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And that's called sarcasm? I think his point is to move away from windows or to find a viable alternative.
Does anyone know if its possible to have a windows based OS on the TF700.... ive tried to find answers to this but wasnt successful in the search.... my quess is no due to it being more of a hardware issue rather than a software one... Anyone care to comment , more than welcome.. . Thanks
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Does anyone know if its possible to have a windows based OS on the TF700.... ive tried to find answers to this but wasnt successful in the search.... my quess is no due to it being more of a hardware issue rather than a software one... Anyone care to comment , more than welcome.. . Thanks
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We've had this one pass us a few times already, and the consensus seems to be 'no'. Especially Windows 8 is tied to the devices it is specifically marketed on, and cannot be ported to our 700.
I'd like the option myself, too, but you'd have to go Taichi or Book Transformer to get Windows and the rest of the Transformer advantages... (You'll lose the superior battery life of Android in the process, making it a much less compelling package, in my opinion.)
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We've had this one pass us a few times already, and the consensus seems to be 'no'. Especially Windows 8 is tied to the devices it is specifically marketed on, and cannot be ported to our 700.
I'd like the option myself, too, but you'd have to go Taichi or Book Transformer to get Windows and the rest of the Transformer advantages... (You'll lose the superior battery life of Android in the process, making it a much less compelling package, in my opinion.)
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I appreciate the quick response/feedback ... I love the 700 an what it brings to the table... I just miss the Windows OS feel at times ... Maybe if I have it unlocked/rooted I will get more out of it
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I just miss the Windows OS feel at times ...
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I know what you mean. Though I miss the XP feel, not the new versions. Luckily there's Splashtop, but it's not the same. There are just some things that Windows has that Android doesn't which I can not find words to explain. (errors are part of its charm! ) A taskbar and lots of windows, for one.
But no, as MartyHulskemper said, the new mobile Windows OS can't be ported to the Infinity. No hardware support for it.
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Since it's an Arm based device using win7/8 is impossible. A huge reason why I hate arm. It is dividing the market further making it harder on developers and consumers. But windows rt is arm based and can be put on the tf700 (theoretically). No one has done it but it can be done. I would jot do it though because it is watered down because of the arm processor and it cannot use x86/64 applications.
If you want a good desktop experience and know at least how to use linux go to the dual boot thread in this general section.
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