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For any of you who have bought a Nexus S *in Canada* from any of the carriers - Bell, Telus, Rogers, Fido, Koodo, Virgin, Mobilicity, Wind, Videotron...
Can you confirm that your phone came SIM-unlocked out of the box? Or does anyone have signs of a carrier lock?
all Nexus phones are unlocked
AllGamer said:
all Nexus phones are unlocked
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We'd like to hope so. But I am asking owners of these specific models, bought from CDN carriers, to confirm that fact once and for all.
it will be in violation of the google / nexus brand if they locked
google will not let telcos tarnish their image
Actually when Nexus one was sold by videotron and Mobilicity they were locked.
htc fan89 said:
Actually when Nexus one was sold by videotron and Mobilicity they were locked.
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Nope they weren't - it was confirmed that the Mobi N1 came unlocked. Don't know about Videotron's, but I presume the same.
Still, Bell/Telus/Rogers just don't seem like the kind of companies to allow themselves to sell something without a SIM lock. Which is why I'm asking about the NS.
I can personally confirm the Telus NS is unlocked (sim) using both a virgin and Rogers Sim.
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Was told repeatedly by the Telus salesman that the phone was locked. He allowed me to try my sim and it got a signal so I'm pretty sure ALL nexus S phones are unlocked despite what Rogers/Telus/Bell are claiming. They just automatically respond "the phone is locked" because they're trained sheep.
I can confirm that the Nexus I purchased today at Future Shop on Rogers was completely unlocked.
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dinan said:
Was told repeatedly by the Telus salesman that the phone was locked. He allowed me to try my sim and it got a signal so I'm pretty sure ALL nexus S phones are unlocked despite what Rogers/Telus/Bell are claiming. They just automatically respond "the phone is locked" because they're trained sheep.
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And they've probably been told to spew that disinformation so people will buy from their own carrier rather than somewhere else at a cheaper price, and to prevent users from travelling with a prepaid SIM card.
sal14m said:
I can confirm that the Nexus I purchased today at Future Shop on Rogers was completely unlocked.
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Where are you that you could buy one already today?
bfksc said:
Where are you that you could buy one already today?
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Thinking the same thing. I was thinking of grabbing one today to play with over the weekend.
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I got mine last night from a Telus store. It's unlocked.
Matridom said:
I got mine last night from a Telus store. It's unlocked.
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I stopped by a local Telus store last night hoping to play with a demo, but they claimed they didn't have any and no demo. The manager told me they won't have any available for sale until April 15th. I then stopped by a BestBuy and they didn't have a demo and was told they don't have any stock but would sell me one outright from Telus stock if they had it. Futureshop has some, but they said they don't have the outright/no contract SKU in their system (bogus info as they want a contract sale). Other carriers are not selling until next week, even if they have stock.
This really is a messy launch...I don't mind waiting but the complete lack of dissemination of information, inconsistent sales information, and staggered launch dates is not very flattering for Google. And I can only imagine how customers will react to this sloppiness.
bfksc said:
And they've probably been told to spew that disinformation so people will buy from their own carrier rather than somewhere else at a cheaper price, and to prevent users from travelling with a prepaid SIM card.
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You can't buy from robelus without either a multi-year contract or severely over-inflated prices, and you can't buy from anyone else without paying full price up front. Nobody loses a dime by buying from the wrong carrier.... except for the carrier who lost the sale.
Note about these phones... as I understand it, there are TWO versions being sold in Canada... the AWS version (sold by Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron), and the PCS version (sold by robelus). It is BETTER TO BUY THE AWS VERSION!!! The PCS version will NOT WORK with Wind, Mobilicity, or Videotron. The AWS version will only not work with BELUS, it will work with everything else.
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Note about these phones... as I understand it, there are TWO versions being sold in Canada... the AWS version (sold by Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron), and the PCS version (sold by robelus). It is BETTER TO BUY THE AWS VERSION!!! The PCS version will NOT WORK with Wind, Mobilicity, or Videotron. The AWS version will only not work with BELUS, it will work with everything else.
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Don't be so biased...the AWS version is only useful to those on 1700/AWS band, so obviously it's the one to get if you're with Wind or the others. If you're with Bell or the others then the obvious choice is the NAM version. And the 850/1900/NAM version also works in Europe just like the AWS version as both have 2100 radios.
dhkr234 said:
Note about these phones... as I understand it, there are TWO versions being sold in Canada... the AWS version (sold by Wind, Mobilicity, Videotron), and the PCS version (sold by robelus). It is BETTER TO BUY THE AWS VERSION!!! The PCS version will NOT WORK with Wind, Mobilicity, or Videotron. The AWS version will only not work with BELUS, it will work with everything else.
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Talk about misinformation...
Weird I went to 2 Future Shops in Oakville, I think there are only 2 here, and both tried to sell me a Nexus unlocked. So no aggro here
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Having been a Fido customer on my AWS Nexus One for several months before Vancouver's first AWS carrier launched... I would not wish on any phone geek the torture of owning a an awesome new "superphone" that feels so snappy and delightful in so many ways... but can't access the 3G speeds they're already paying for.
Buy the phone that matches your carrier's frequencies. There are plenty of these to go around. If you switch to another carrier, trade it. Or hold out for something like the LG G2X which will be quad-band UMTS 850/AWS/1900/2100 *and* dual-core.
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I stopped by a local Telus store last night hoping to play with a demo, but they claimed they didn't have any and no demo. The manager told me they won't have any available for sale until April 15th. I then stopped by a BestBuy and they didn't have a demo and was told they don't have any stock but would sell me one outright from Telus stock if they had it. Futureshop has some, but they said they don't have the outright/no contract SKU in their system (bogus info as they want a contract sale). Other carriers are not selling until next week, even if they have stock.
This really is a messy launch...I don't mind waiting but the complete lack of dissemination of information, inconsistent sales information, and staggered launch dates is not very flattering for Google. And I can only imagine how customers will react to this sloppiness.
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When i went in on Thursday night, I was told the same thing. They had stock, but it was not in the system. This is true for consumers. Fortunately, I'm a corporate customer and a quick call to my sales rep got everything sorted out, turns out the business sku's ARE in the system. After about 1/2 hour, i walked out of the store with my phone.
I hope you where not the guy behind me who was told "No, you can't have one" by the sales rep while i was unboxing mine. I felt really bad for that guy.
Also keep in mind that not all telus stores are the same. Look in your phone book for Telus and go to one of those stores, not on of the "Telus by XXXXX". When you get into a store owned and operated by Telus, you can get a lot more done.
So I was told that the Verizon Wireless Casio G'z One Phone would work. I paid 70 bucks for it on Amazon and when I went to activate it, Verizon said it was not compatible. I just want to know if I can get around this anyway because one I was told it would work and two I am super rough on phones and need a strong durable one and prepaid doesnt offer any.
Thanks!
I'm assuming you bought the phone non subsidized, probably used at that price? Not sure how Verizon's prepaid plans work but you could look into Page Plus. They are a prepaid service that uses Verizon towers and they allow Verizon Android phones on their prepaid plans as long as the ESN is good.
spunker88 said:
I'm assuming you bought the phone non subsidized, probably used at that price? Not sure how Verizon's prepaid plans work but you could look into Page Plus. They are a prepaid service that uses Verizon towers and they allow Verizon Android phones on their prepaid plans as long as the ESN is good.
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I will definitely look into it, thanks!
Here in the UK you can buy your phone, branded, on contract, or SIM free and unbranded from carriers and many other retailers.
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I love my Edge and so much so I returned my att model and bought the T-Mobile version and rooted it.
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This implies to me that he couldn't get it SIM free. Is this not an option in the USA?
Excuse my ignorance, but I have often wondered how it works in the old colonies.
NineToTheSky said:
Here in the UK you can buy your phone, branded, on contract, or SIM free and unbranded from carriers and many other retailers.
In another thread, the poster said This implies to me that he couldn't get it SIM free. Is this not an option in the USA?
Excuse my ignorance, but I have often wondered how it works in the old colonies.
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Nope, Freedom isn't always free. LoL Here is the US, some carriers lock their phones, Some use CDMA (Sprint/Verizon) technology, So they won't work well on the GSM networks. They also use different bands, to make matters worse, so if you do what the person above did, there are parts of the US that don't use Tmobiles bands, so he will lose 4G LTE. AT&T made it even worse, because they have the bootloader locked and now you can't even root it and get rid of carrier apps. (At least not until some Dev figures out how to unlock it) My AT&T is carrier unlocked, there are websites that will do this for a price. So if I wanted to, I could drop another SIM carriers card in it and use it. But since I am on AT&T's Next plan, I will be paying on this phone for 30 months. (Cost the same as full price, but spread over 30 months interest free)
Like 23 right now compare that to 6 AT&T and 7 Verizon branded units. What exactly is the deal with T-Mobile?
maybe people who are stuck in twrp bootloop?
Tmobile service sucks maybe
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Like 23 right now compare that to 6 AT&T and 7 Verizon branded units. What exactly is the deal with T-Mobile?
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A good number of All but one of 'em are unopened/New,they probably bought 'em to take advantage of the $200 Rebate & headphone offers.
As long as they have a net gain from purchase price/rebate/sale price,I suppose it's a worthwhile endeavor.........
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A good number of All but one of 'em are unopened/New,they probably bought 'em to take advantage of the $200 Rebate & headphone offers.
As long as they have a net gain from purchase price/rebate/sale price,I suppose it's a worthwhile endeavor.........
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T-Mobile is basically giving these things away. If they used the trade in thing, it makes the phone either free or less than $200. They probably have another phone they are using and don't plan on leaving T-Mobile, so they just got one and are selling it. T-Mobile, effectively, puts you in a contract doing this. They take the price of the phone and give you bill credits for the whole term of the EIP. If you terminate service, you owe the phone. Combine that with the free line promotion they had a few days prior, I am guessing this is what is happening. The contract does not say anything about using the phone. As long as they keep their bill current and keep their service, it will be able to be used (I think...). I would be careful buying one of these V20s in case you are not allowed to use the phone on a line that isn't associated with the account, but that is me being a worry wort.
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T-Mobile is basically giving these things away. If they used the trade in thing, it makes the phone either free or less than $200. They probably have another phone they are using and don't plan on leaving T-Mobile, so they just got one and are selling it. T-Mobile, effectively, puts you in a contract doing this. They take the price of the phone and give you bill credits for the whole term of the EIP. If you terminate service, you owe the phone. Combine that with the free line promotion they had a few days prior, I am guessing this is what is happening. The contract does not say anything about using the phone. As long as they keep their bill current and keep their service, it will be able to be used (I think...). I would be careful buying one of these V20s in case you are not allowed to use the phone on a line that isn't associated with the account, but that is me being a worry wort.
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Swappa won't let you sell a phone that still has anything owed on it. They check the IMEI.
I assume the bill credits wouldn't affect this as long as the phone is free and clear.
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Like 23 right now compare that to 6 AT&T and 7 Verizon branded units. What exactly is the deal with T-Mobile?
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I bought one unopened for $485. It was purchased with the T-mobile employee discount for $285.
Evilv2 said:
I bought one unopened for $485. It was purchased with the T-mobile employee discount for $285.
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Nice find,congratulations! ?
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Nice find,congratulations!
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I assume lot of the unopened were bought with significant discounts. They are being sold for $500 +/- $15.
Watch out t-mobile is the carrier that's gets the lg partner purchase program phones. They can not be carrier unlocked. That's why there up and cheap.
aknotts415 said:
Watch out t-mobile is the carrier that's gets the lg partner purchase program phones. They can not be carrier unlocked. That's why there up and cheap.
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I'm guessing you can use a paid SIM Unlock service to override this........................
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I'm guessing you can use a paid SIM Unlock service to override this........................
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Won't work. When they go to get the unlock code from T-Mobile the imei isn't in their system so they can't get it and it can't be done. Trust me. I've seen this happen on the v10 and g5. Just look it up.
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Won't work. When they go to get the unlock code from T-Mobile the imei isn't in their system so they can't get it and it can't be done. Trust me. I've seen this happen on the v10 and g5. Just look it up.
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If that's the case, I'd think the sellers would know better than to post a listing on Swappa.
Guess we'll find out soon enough how many of the listings are fraudulent.....
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If that's the case, I'd think the sellers would know better than to post a listing on Swappa.
Guess we'll find out soon enough how many of the listings are fraudulent.....
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There not fraudulent. Not sure why u think that. Theres nothing wrong with selling lg partner purchase program phones. They just can't be carrier unlocked and the sellers don't go out of their way to tell you. They just say their not sure.
aknotts415 said:
There not fraudulent. Not sure why u think that. Theres nothing wrong with selling lg partner purchase program phones. They just can't be carrier unlocked and the sellers don't go out of their way to tell you. They just say their not sure.
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Full disclosure is a given when selling on Swappa,anything less would be fraudulent,if not to the letter of the rules,it certainly would be in spirit/practice.
This is some good information though,glad you brought it up. :good:
I'm betting a lot of folks have never heard of such a thing.
Yeah ur right. Lol I wast trying to buy a v10 and g5 earlier this year and ran into this situation. Very difficult to deal with. Most sellers selling them do t really understand them selves and they blame T-Mobile. It probly is T-Mobile fault since it's branded T-Mobile. Just want everyone to be aware they can't be unlocked, even a third party unlock service can't. Having it on ur account for 40 days doesnt matter either. It's a crappy situation lol
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Yeah ur right. Lol I wast trying to buy a v10 and g5 earlier this year and ran into this situation. Very difficult to deal with. Most sellers selling them do t really understand them selves and they blame T-Mobile. It probly is T-Mobile fault since it's branded T-Mobile. Just want everyone to be aware they can't be unlocked, even a third party unlock service can't. Having it on ur account for 40 days doesnt matter either. It's a crappy situation lol
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I'd heard of employee deals/mfg-partner phones/etc..,but,I didn't know about the SIM Unlocking issue.
Again,many THX for bringing this up,you've no doubt saved some people a lot of trouble. :highfive:
FWIW,here's Swappa's policy on clean ESN's:
https://swappa.com/faq/sell/share_esn_numbers
Bulletproof,no,but,it sounds as if they're doing their due dilligence w/researching the ESN/IMEI,perhaps w/more tools than the general public is armed with.
Some sharp individuals here on XDA/Swappa running the show,I'm guessing/hoping they have this scenario covered,enough to ensure the buyers are protected in a worse-case scenario.
A little bit off topic, can you get square trade insurance for phones purchased at swappa?
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Yeah ur right. Lol I wast trying to buy a v10 and g5 earlier this year and ran into this situation. Very difficult to deal with. Most sellers selling them do t really understand them selves and they blame T-Mobile. It probly is T-Mobile fault since it's branded T-Mobile. Just want everyone to be aware they can't be unlocked, even a third party unlock service can't. Having it on ur account for 40 days doesnt matter either. It's a crappy situation lol
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Um I'm not trying to be a pain but I bought my G5 from Tmobile and had it unlocked in 24 hours as I was traveling out of the country. I used the app on the phone and the code the rep gave me. I've traveled to 7 countries since then and used sim cards from each one no problem.
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Um I'm not trying to be a pain but I bought my G5 from Tmobile and had it unlocked in 24 hours as I was traveling out of the country. I used the app on the phone and the code the rep gave me. I've traveled to 7 countries since then and used sim cards from each one no problem.
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Ur probly wasn't a lg partner purchase program one then lol.
Hi friends,
Any way to unlock a financed S22 Ultra from Verizon??
Regards
Why exactly are you wanting to unlock a phone that you agreed to finance with Verizon while it's still under contract?
cccuc said:
Hi friends,
Any way to unlock a financed S22 Ultra from Verizon??
Regards
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When did you buy the phone? It will unlock automatically after 60 days. If you have an impending travel you can request for unlock but I am not sure if they will unlock.
Paul_Deemer said:
Why exactly are you wanting to unlock a phone that you agreed to finance with Verizon while it's still under contract?
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Because I'm outside US now
cccuc said:
Hi friends,
Any way to unlock a financed S22 Ultra from Verizon??
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Yeah. Pay it off.
cccuc said:
Because I'm outside US now
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This is a tough one, I don't think any carrier will "unlock" a device that is not paid off as it will increase risk of customer not paying it and selling it overseas (carriers overseas can use phones that are network locked in the US). If you are outside the US or have a trip coming, Verizon will suggest just using roaming. You may try one of those IMEI unlocking sites and pay the price for that.
Bad Boys whatcha whacha gonna do when Verizon come for you!
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This is a tough one, I don't think any carrier will "unlock" a device that is not paid off as it will increase risk of customer not paying it and selling it overseas (carriers overseas can use phones that are network locked in the US). If you are outside the US or have a trip coming, Verizon will suggest just using roaming. You may try one of those IMEI unlocking sites and pay the price for that.
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Actually, Verizon does. Verizon got its peepee smacked by the FCC several years ago. As part of the agreement, Verizon must unlock its devices at sale. A few years ago, several Verizon stores were victims of daylight armed robberies. To protect its stores, employees, and customers, Verizon asked the FCC for a waiver to unlock phones after 60 days.
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Actually, Verizon does. Verizon got its peepee smacked by the FCC several years ago. As part of the agreement, Verizon must unlock its devices at sale. A few years ago, several Verizon stores were victims of daylight armed robberies. To protect its stores, employees, and customers, Verizon asked the FCC for a waiver to unlock phones after 60 days.
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This is the perfect example of "everyday you learn something new" I could get my TMO unlocked because I paid it off but did not know Verizon "had" to unlock it 60 days in... well that's the solution for OP
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Yeah. Pay it off.
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They will still not unlock it until 60 days.
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This is a tough one, I don't think any carrier will "unlock" a device that is not paid off as it will increase risk of customer not paying it and selling it overseas (carriers overseas can use phones that are network locked in the US). If you are outside the US or have a trip coming, Verizon will suggest just using roaming. You may try one of those IMEI unlocking sites and pay the price for that.
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Verizon unlocks all phones automatically after 60 days. They have to. They made an agreement when they purchased a wireless band years ago that their phones would be unlocked. They somehow worked out the ability to lock them for the first 60 days.
More on why they unlock at 60 days and why they have to.
FCC says Verizon can lock phones to its network for 60 days after purchase
Verizon says it will start locking newly purchased phones “very soon.”
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drfundy said:
They will still not unlock it until 60 days.
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Yes. I know Verizon unlocks its devices after 60 days.
I'm a Verizon customer.
drfundy said:
Verizon unlocks all phones automatically after 60 days. They have to. They made an agreement when they purchased a wireless band years ago that their phones would be unlocked. They somehow worked out the ability to lock them for the first 60 days.
More on why they unlock at 60 days and why they have to.
FCC says Verizon can lock phones to its network for 60 days after purchase
Verizon says it will start locking newly purchased phones “very soon.”
www.theverge.com
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To be clear, it was also part of a larger problem. Verizon was also doing things like locking down GPS usage and USB tethering.
As it was rolling out 4G and as turn by turn navigation started becoming more popular, it wouldn't allow its customers to use any turn by turn navigation apps. The only one Verizon customers were allowed to was VZ Navigator and it was not free (~$9.99/month). Verizon also wouldn't allow its customers to use USB tethering.
The FCC intervened, smacked Verizon's peepee and included in the C Block purchase agreement.
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To be clear, it was also part of a larger problem. Verizon was also doing things like locking down GPS usage and USB tethering.
As it was rolling out 4G and as turn by turn navigation started becoming more popular, it wouldn't allow its customers to use any turn by turn navigation apps. The only one Verizon customers were allowed to was VZ Navigator and it was not free (~$9.99/month). Verizon also wouldn't allow its customers to use USB tethering.
The FCC intervened, smacked Verizon's peepee and included in the C Block purchase agreement.
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Yes, I seem to recall some of those dirty tricks. This is the main reason I will not buy a phone financed through a carrier anymore.
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Yes. I know Verizon unlocks its devices after 60 days.
I'm a Verizon customer.
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This was for the OP's benefit. So he doesn't pay it off expecting an immediate unlock.
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This was for the OP's benefit. So he doesn't pay it off expecting an immediate unlock.
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Based on his original post then his response, it seems he financed the phone then left the US. This makes it seem he wants to get it unlocked so he can use it without paying it off.
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Based on his original post then his response, it seems he financed the phone then left the US. This makes it seem he wants to get it unlocked so he can use it without paying it off.
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Yep agreed. But the suggestion I responded to was to pay it off in full, so I pointed out that doing so would not work. He would still have a locked phone.
I thought the VZW phones were all unlock for non US GSM networks right out the box. I switched from VZW a few years back when sprint had the 1 year free offer, i stayed when they merged with TMO because of the 5G.
mc_365 said:
I thought the VZW phones were all unlock for non US GSM networks right out the box. I switched from VZW a few years back when sprint had the 1 year free offer, i stayed when they merged with TMO because of the 5G.
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I was with verizon for 18 months.. Leaving them, was the best move I ever made.. Plus it is the only time I enjoyed paying them almost a grand to leave my contract.. Went back to Sprint, then moved over to T-Mobile, long before the merger..
mc_365 said:
I thought the VZW phones were all unlock for non US GSM networks right out the box. I switched from VZW a few years back when sprint had the 1 year free offer, i stayed when they merged with TMO because of the 5G.
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Verizon got a waiver from the FCC allowing them to delay unlocking until after 60 days. There were several broad daylight armed robberies of its stores a few years ago. So Verizon asked for the waiver to deter robberies.