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Samsung's Policy on root

Dumb question.
Rooting still voids warranty here correct?

lardo5150 said:
Dumb question.
Rooting still voids warranty here correct?
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yes

DrADP said:
yes
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Can root be obtained on a sumsung device without unlocking?
My tf700 could be rooted, and then unlocked if you wanted. THis would be nice, cause you could root, but if needing to send it in, you could remove the root.

lardo5150 said:
Can root be obtained on a sumsung device without unlocking?
My tf700 could be rooted, and then unlocked if you wanted. THis would be nice, cause you could root, but if needing to send it in, you could remove the root.
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Yes. Samsung devices can usually be fully returned to stock.
The bootloader is fully unlocked, with the exception of the flash counter which tracks how many times you've flashed custom recoveries or kernels in download mode. However, on most other devices it is now known how to reset that counter - fairly sure we'll be able to reset this one as well. It's top of my priorities list.
Officially rooting voids your warranty, but that policy may be illegal in the United States due to the Magnusson-Moss Warranty Act.

I'm really liking the looks of this! :good:
So glad I returned my TF700 for this beauty. It's supposed to be here by UPS within the next hour. :fingers-crossed:

Because Samsung devices have Odin you can almost always return to 100% stock unless u really mess something up. If entropy figures out the counter reset for us then we will really be set. Then if you need to go back to stock for a warranty claim you should be OK as long as it powers on and can get to download mode.

iamchocho said:
Because Samsung devices have Odin you can almost always return to 100% stock unless u really mess something up. If entropy figures out the counter reset for us then we will really be set. Then if you need to go back to stock for a warranty claim you should be OK as long as it powers on and can get to download mode.
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And if you really mess something up I've heard that 5 seconds in a microwave oven is enough so that the repair center won't be able to tell if the device have been rooted or not...
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iamchocho said:
Because Samsung devices have Odin you can almost always return to 100% stock unless u really mess something up. If entropy figures out the counter reset for us then we will really be set. Then if you need to go back to stock for a warranty claim you should be OK as long as it powers on and can get to download mode.
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Counter reset is a go - I'm going to release tonight since that's a critical feature, although until I fix the wifi derpiness people will probably want to flash back to a stock kernel afterwards. (e.g. flash custom recovery, flash custom kernel, reset counter, flash stock kernel, keep custom recovery.)

Remove bloatware, no root or warranty void?

Is there any way to remove all the bloatware without voiding the warranty,rooting, and so I can update when ICS EVENTUALLY comes out? thanks

motez23 said:
Is there any way to remove all the bloatware without voiding the warranty,rooting, and so I can update when ICS EVENTUALLY comes out? thanks
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Not that I am aware of. But if you still want to update via kies just use titanium and freeze the bloat. But I am not aware of any way to root without voiding warranty. I know there is the back to stock using Odin, along with the flash counter reset
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LiveFaster said:
Not that I am aware of. But if you still want to update via kies just use titanium and freeze the bloat. But I am not aware of any way to root without voiding warranty. I know there is the back to stock using Odin, along with the flash counter reset
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Yeah theres no way of doing it without rooting your phone. But, you are not necessarily voiding your warranty by rooting your phone. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act lets you root your phone and not void your warranty. Just root it, install a custom ROM, enjoy the hell out of it until ICS comes out (IF it ever comes out and T-Mobile decides to get off their lazy butts and do something productive). And IF it does come out, just use Odin to return to stock, and reset the flash counter. You'll be good to go.

Please post questions in the Q&A/General section. This section is for development (roms, kernel, recovery, etc.).
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crazydrummer95 said:
Yeah theres no way of doing it without rooting your phone. But, you are not necessarily voiding your warranty by rooting your phone. The Magnuson-Moss Warranty Act lets you root your phone and not void your warranty. Just root it, install a custom ROM, enjoy the hell out of it until ICS comes out (IF it ever comes out and T-Mobile decides to get off their lazy butts and do something productive). And IF it does come out, just use Odin to return to stock, and reset the flash counter. You'll be good to go.
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Alright cool, and I know how to return to stock but what is this flash counter business lol.

[Q] Rooting without unlocking?

I believe on the TF300 its not possible, but I am curious if it is possible on this device? I would honestly love to install custom ROMs, but after spending an hour on the phone with squaretrade today if I purchased a warranty through them, unlocking would void their warranty as well, so I would really hate to spend $450 and lose all hope of getting it serviced if it breaks a week later.
Thanks for the help guys, currently stuck if I want to spend the extra $150 on this or just keep my TF300. I mainly want to use it as a game machine and sadly need to root to use a controller (I don't have the dock).
Thanks!
Edit: This is guessing that the device will come with JB rom, I see it can be rooted unlocked with ICS.

You can root without having to be unlocked, yes.You need to be sure that you're NOT on JB, though. Firmware .30 or earlier on ICS can be rooted with the debugfs method listed on this forum. You will lose root once you upgrade to JB again, though. Unless you use OTA Rootkeeper to backup the root. There is currently no way to root the tablet on JB without being unlocked or downgrading.

Firebrazer said:
You can root without having to be unlocked, yes.You need to be sure that you're NOT on JB, though. Firmware .30 or earlier on ICS can be rooted with the debugfs method listed on this forum. You will lose root once you upgrade to JB again, though. Unless you use OTA Rootkeeper to backup the root. There is currently no way to root the tablet on JB without being unlocked or downgrading.
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I did read about that and was rather happy to see it. Then its just a matter of hoping mine comes with the right firmware. Just curious as i've never had to do it before. Is it easy to unroot if it is needed to be sent in for repair? I know SuperSU has an option that removes root files to switch superuser apps, just not sure if thats thorough enough.
Thanks!

Yes, unrooting is fairly easy. You can always reset it using the stock recovery. I don't actually think you will have to unroot it, though. You'll lose your warranty if you unlock the bootloader, not if you just root, afaik.

Firebrazer said:
Yes, unrooting is fairly easy. You can always reset it using the stock recovery. I don't actually think you will have to unroot it, though. You'll lose your warranty if you unlock the bootloader, not if you just root, afaik.
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Yeah, thats why I am looking into just rooting for now.
Thank you so much for the help, gonna go snag this up while its on sale for $449. Hopefully I can put up with the stock lag and everything people complain about

[Q] Question about root.

So i take it that if i root theres no way of getting my warranty back with this phone.
So once rooted they will forever no that i have rooted my device?

xxaimbkstarxx said:
So i take it that if i root theres no way of getting my warranty back with this phone.
So once rooted they will forever no that i have rooted my device?
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You could unroot the device. What is done can be undone.

KachowPow said:
You could unroot the device. What is done can be undone.
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I think he's saying it because the recovery on this phone actually says if you have rooted the phone or not, if that's the case then yeah you lost your warranty like me
Sent from my unbranded Razr HD =)

xxaimbkstarxx said:
So i take it that if i root theres no way of getting my warranty back with this phone.
So once rooted they will forever no that i have rooted my device?
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Correct, but I believe they would actually NEED the phone to tell this. So if you are rooted, the best thing to do would be to "lose" your phone....

christian5916 said:
I think he's saying it because the recovery on this phone actually says if you have rooted the phone or not, if that's the case then yeah you lost your warranty like me
Sent from my unbranded Razr HD =)
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Technically correct.
But Motorola / Verizon will never go through the trouble of proving an unroot for purposes of denying warranty.
The reason is because it is cheaper and faster to just process a warranty request, than to spend the time investigating reasons why they should deny a warranty.

kent1146 said:
Technically correct.
But Motorola / Verizon will never go through the trouble of proving an unroot for purposes of denying warranty.
The reason is because it is cheaper and faster to just process a warranty request, than to spend the time investigating reasons why they should deny a warranty.
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That's true, ClaroPR just send the phone to the technicians and if they don't find anything funny they exchange it
Sent from my unbranded Razr HD =)

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thanks, it was really helpful

xxaimbkstarxx said:
So i take it that if i root theres no way of getting my warranty back with this phone.
So once rooted they will forever no that i have rooted my device?
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There actually are two bits that gets set in the rom when you root the device that is displayed when you go into recovery. If the phone is currently rooted both bits show as true. Even if you unroot, one bit acts as a history bit so you get a 0 for current root and a 1 for previously rooted. The only way to clear the history bit is to reflash the stock rom with RSDLite. If you do this everything goes back to original state. I've personally done this and it works.

When to root...
I've been considering updating to JB but it is when to root is the question. Right now I'm rooted on stock ICS and it was a really simple process. However, I've read that after JB, in order to root you need to unlock the bootloader and install CWM. It is the bootloader unlocking that will void your warranty since you have to basically ask Motorola permission to do it.
I'm hoping that somehow someone will find a method of upgrading to JB and keeping root, or upgrading and getting root again without unlocking the bootloader. I've only had my XT925 for less than a week, so I'm not ready to void my warranty.

biKF said:
I've been considering updating to JB but it is when to root is the question. Right now I'm rooted on stock ICS and it was a really simple process. However, I've read that after JB, in order to root you need to unlock the bootloader and install CWM. It is the bootloader unlocking that will void your warranty since you have to basically ask Motorola permission to do it.
I'm hoping that somehow someone will find a method of upgrading to JB and keeping root, or upgrading and getting root again without unlocking the bootloader. I've only had my XT925 for less than a week, so I'm not ready to void my warranty.
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Woah woah, all you need it the OTA RootKeeper, and then you should be able to OTA to JB and keep root. You shouldn't have to mess with the bootloader at all, unless the 925 is significantly different from the 926, but I don't think it is.

extide said:
Woah woah, all you need it the OTA RootKeeper, and then you should be able to OTA to JB and keep root. You shouldn't have to mess with the bootloader at all, unless the 925 is significantly different from the 926, but I don't think it is.
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Unfortunately, OTA Root Keeper did not keep the root after my JB upgrade.

So I'm running into difficulties updating to jellybean.
I'm rooted on stock 4.04,with the bootloader unlocked, and have vodoo ota installed.
When installing the update, it prompts me in cwm to install the untrusted package. So I click ok to continue.
A quarter way through it fails and reboots, then continues to reboot continously after it powers up to the home screen.
What am I doing wrong, what should I disable to install this ota update.
Thanks in advance
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What haven't I done?
I have a developer xt926 razr hd that is unlocked at the bootloader. What do I need to complete a root?

Got it with running layers of exploits alternating them. Lost it upgrading a few times. Its fairly easy once you get use to the operating system.
JAB©

Reset counter to 0x0 on knox?

Im about to send my phone to warranty and not sure if they would take it non rooted factory stock tar. Anyone confirm?

Your question is little confusing. If the phone was rooted then Knox was tripped and there is no way to reset it. I assume you returned your phone back to stock using a stock tar file. If you are sending to sprint for warranty they most likely well not look if Knox is tripped (But you never know). Samsung warranty i'm pretty sure they will check.

Evilone69tmg said:
Your question is little confusing. If the phone was rooted then Knox was tripped and there is no way to reset it. I assume you returned your phone back to stock using a stock tar file. If you are sending to sprint for warranty they most likely well not look if Knox is tripped (But you never know). Samsung warranty i'm pretty sure they will check.
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Yes i flashed a original tar file allready i was wondering if there was a reset option like triangle away but havent find one and it seems that it doesnt exist..i was hoping it did..i wonder if is even possible..thanks anyway

smallyetzon said:
Yes i flashed a original tar file allready i was wondering if there was a reset option like triangle away but havent find one and it seems that it doesnt exist..i was hoping it did..i wonder if is even possible..thanks anyway
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Nope. Once you trip knox there's no going back unfortunately.

smallyetzon said:
Im about to send my phone to warranty and not sure if they would take it non rooted factory stock tar. Anyone confirm?
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Sent mine in under warranty for broken LCD to Samsung with knox tripped but stock image flashed and they repaired it and sent back for no charge. Not sure for others but worked for me.