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To all the people whining and wasting space on the forums

If you have a problem with someone keep it between yourselves. You can argue with people all you want over pm.
Dev threads are for dev related materials. This means critiques, error reporting, LOGS, and relivent info. What this does not include is arguing with people. Also posts that comment to the op, saying I'm not flashing this because... please no.
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply. If you do, answer it or post a link to a thread with the answer and then say this belongs here. We don't need 3 this belongs here to every question before someone has the heart to answer it. You're adding to the mess.
Also please read ravers post clarifying the sections. The community is becoming way too whiny and every thread is becoming a flame war.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517199
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You're absolutely correct. I, for one, have responded to posts on dev threads that I shouldn't have. No disrespect was meant to the dev it's just seeing certain posts disrespecting the op angered me to the point of responding. I will be more than happy to go back and delete it if I am able. At the very least I will edit.
Edited my post in dev thread.
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im sorry but if raver already posted something referring to this said problem, then are you yourself not whining and wasting forum space?
and once upon a time i posted this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
so you could link this thread if you like

This is addressing a different issue. The main thing here, we are a community. We all want basically the same things. We don't want to read through the flaming of other users and posting counterproductive things. Yes people will post questions in the wrong sections, etc, but it doesn't warrant 5 posts complaining about it's misplacement when it would take one to clarify and inform him KINDLY it's in the wrong place for future posts. Yes that search feature is nice, and things are crowded, but people make mistakes. We need to be a community and treat eachother with respect instead of whining and complaining at everyone.

if anyone has issues, they can use my guide thread to post them in
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I want to point people to my question in the Q&A section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518935
Answers from the mods would be nice. Because the community is creating rules and expecting people to know them in advance. The general rules are basic and dont cover a lot of what people like to claim is rules and whatnot.

yeah, this was more meant to address the people just generally being a%$es. Rules are nice and all, but we don't all need to police them, especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them.

hampsterblade said:
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?

lumin30 said:
How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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im sorry lumin, how mu h time have you spent on irc with team acid? i guarantee its less than hamster and. i have
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What are talking kid.

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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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What he's saying is, if you can't help, don't waste yours and our time. At least answering incorrectly shows effort on one's part to help, instead of just blatantly being an ass.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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hampsterblade said:
Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.

lumin30 said:
I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.

FBis251 said:
Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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FB I don't plan on following others' actions. And I am not saying what he said in the OP doesn't have merit. However, it seems after he posted this he has been on a posting spree in the dev section... adding to the clutter he denounced in this post. Hell he even accidentally started thread today in the dev section talking about starting a Wiki...
I don't know how me joining the IRC channel will benefit you guys or help. I hope to help by answering noob questions so you guys don't have to. We are going to have to do hand holding whether we want to or not... I am resigned to that fact... therefore, I do my best to handle as many those requests as possible.

....As the world turns (starting to look like a soap)
As lumin30 will tell you we have had our fair number of disagreements here, but I totally agree with him. This is a somewhat relevant post, but it looks more towards the lines of "Do as I say not as I do" post. There are plenty of "This is what your supposed to do" threads like this ----->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
And if this is what the OP is referring to as "especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them."
then please look at date i wrote it (26 aug 2011). If mistaken on what your talking about then I apologize.
Just seems to me that the very thing you are preaching is being done by you.

I'm not trying to spark arguments here.
What I'm mostly saying is cut some people some slack. While it's a good thing to inform people where things should go, that doesn't mean when someone posts something in the wrong thread things only need to be said once, and if it's a simple answer just answer it and inform them it should be in a different section.
Read through some of the old threads especially Raver's roms, and yes some people are dumb reporting bugs that are in the op, or have already been reported, and not providing logs to help. That doesn't mean we need 5 people to reply to the post saying this has already been reported or this belongs in Q&A.
I'm simply saying be friendly. The overall activity of the community has gotten way too hostile. Noobs will be noobs, not that I approve of it, that doesn't mean our older members have to be dicks.
Also my post earlier was a legitimate mistake as I just opened the browser to make the post and didn't notice what section I was in. And As for the wiki I do intend to do it as I feel there is too much to put on one page with sub-pages, and that navigation wise it will make things more friendly for noobs to find information easily with a full FAQ, and wiki pages with full descriptions of roms, how to flash them, and known bugs, as things tend to get lost in the forums. I'm simply working to help out the little guys. We all had a time we were noobs too, just some are dumber than others.

noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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jdubb1106 said:
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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Guh, people are so selective with what they read. I said noobs are dumb in post in the wrong place. Doesn't mean we need 5 people to police them for every post. It only makes things worse.

This thread has turned into a fail as it always has and always will.....damned if you do....damned if you dont...
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alternative to XDA?

are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.

Modaco
I think Modaco is a nice site !

Android forums is a good site
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Nothing is better than XDA.

waz000000 said:
are there any decent alternatives that people frequent?
none commercial ones.
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Depends on what you are looking for. The appeal of our site is the fact that it holds a VAST amount of information generated for almost 10 years since the early days of PocketPC2000. You don't need to post or even be part of any community in particular to rip the full benefits that the site has to offer. I see that you have been a member for a very long time and I can somewhat understand where your post is going (the implied message). The commercial aspect of the site revolves around the banners which we try to keep to a minimum but to have enough to pay for our costs, which are rather high.
The sites suggested by other people in this thread are indeed good, but again, each site appeals to a specific audience. XDA presents a wider scope than most sites out there.
I hope this helps.

Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy

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dns.vlad said:
Nothing is better than XDA.
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This is true. I've been to PPCGeeks and MoDaCo, but they kinda fizzled out. In a way, XDA DEVELOPERS has "adopted" their old members.
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af974 said:
Uhmm...now that i think about, there is this site that should be handy
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lol, did crack me up..
The ads are not what influenced my question i use an ad blocker on chrome and can honestly say ive not seen an add on xda thanks to that. What I meant was a forum not attached financially to a store/shop.
XDA is huge and ive been visiting this site for many a moon but I also want to explore other sites and see what else is around as well..
hidden gems and the likes.

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Thread moved to Q&A due to it being a question. Would advise you to read forum rules and post in correct section.
Failure to comply with forum rules will result in an infraction and/or ban depending on severity of rule break.

sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!

waz000000 said:
sorry forgot XDA had turned a little unfriendly ill make sure i don't post again
it's kinda why i posted the in the general section as yes technically it was a question was also a general thing but once again the hand of pointless takes control. stick it!
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Yes. Everything is an issue anymore. Can't even create a device forum easily anymore. It's gotta be "popular enough". Ugh. XDA developers stopped being a Dev site a while ago. It's why I don't Dev here anymore.
If you want answers try finding the right telegram link for your device.
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Edit: necro threads are no less real.

replying to a thread in development forum

i have been a member of xda forums for 1 1/2 years, as well as other android forums around the net. i'm usually the type of person that reads the threads more than i post in them, unless i truly have a helpful answer for someone or i genuinely need help with something. bc of this i have only two posts here at xda, as it's not my go-to forum. nonetheless, i still look through threads here for info and help and occasionally i know the answer to someone's question. upon trying to help someone out earlier in the vzw gnex development forum i was presented with a v-bulletin message telling me i'm not allowed to post there because it's for 'advanced users' who have 'more than ten posts.' i find this to be a ridiculous policy, based solely on my prior activity, or lack thereof. i consider myself to be pretty proficient with android, and basically i would have to make seven other posts in addition to this one (which would have no merit as i don't need to make seven other posts at this time) and clog up other sections of the forums just so i can reply to someone in a development thread. is there no way around this? or do i truly have to come up with some bs posts elsewhere just to help someone?

The reason is they don't want time wasters taking up the time of the developers or people asking questions which have already been asked and answered. Where all it would take is a little effort to search. It fairly easy to get your ten posts look for other forums where you could help. With the amount of members xda all ready has and the amount that sign up everyday, there no way of knowing or determining what expertise the new member may or not have.
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i understand what you mean, but I'm far off from being a new member. As stated in the op I've been a member for a year and a half (since Feb 2011.) Oh well. Thanks for the reply

All I can suggest is u look about some of the other forum's where u can post and see if there are people in their u can help.
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As chris170569 said, it really isn't difficult to write 10 posts around these forums. If indeed you've done a lot of reading here and are a proficient android user, as you say, then even though you may not feel the need to make other posts, but there are always users here who need help.
The best place to start of is in the forums for your device and look through the General and Q&A sections of said forum to see if you can help anyone.
There's always the option of helping out in the General and Q&A subforums of the General forum.
The posts really won't take long to build up.
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What you post was absolutely ryt bro::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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Just like KidCarter93 and chris170569 have said it is pretty easy to get 10 thanked posted. As you can see I'm a pretty new member and already have gotten 10+ thanked post. However, when I first came to XDA I didn't even get a thanked post in a forum until almost a month later. After that I post at least once a day, to see if I can help someone out. Just saying you get in what you put out.
Since you're proficient in android, make a thread on answering people's question (if there isn't one already). But to answer your question the only way to answer people's question that you come across is to private message them.

running into the same issue ... need help big time on my EVO

Go to the discussion forum for your device. Should find someone there. Or start a new thread in the Q & A section for your device. Make sure u have really really searched first, if your problem can be sorted by a quick search n u not done that you will get flamed mercessilly
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Possible solution to non dev posts in dev threads

Would there be any way to have a special membership level in the forum privileges that allows posting in the dev forums, this would force people I.E. general users with questions to read and discover the Q&A forums. To get said privileges someone should simply have to request and agree not to break those rules. Good idea?
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GinkgoBiloba said:
Would there be any way to have a special membership level in the forum privileges that allows posting in the dev forums, this would force people I.E. general users with questions to read and discover the Q&A forums. To get said privileges someone should simply have to request and agree not to break those rules. Good idea?
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No. Bad idea.
The Dev forums should be locked to anyone who doesn't have special status on XDA (e.g. Devs, RCs, RTs etc). For a 'normal' user to be able to post in the Dev forum they should have to be invited and approved by the Devs - and that right could be rescinded at any time.
That would have the secondary benefit of stopping the people who continually post useless cr4p just to get their post count up to 10

SimonTS said:
No. Bad idea.
The Dev forums should be locked to anyone who doesn't have special status on XDA (e.g. Devs, RCs, RTs etc). For a 'normal' user to be able to post in the Dev forum they should have to be invited and approved by the Devs - and that right could be rescinded at any time.
That would have the secondary benefit of stopping the people who continually post useless cr4p just to get their post count up to 10
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I agree... To a point, the problem is to get RD ir RC you have to post guides or dev work... Which normally should go in the development section.
It really is a hard one and nothing will ever please all
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I'm not so sure that an invite system would be neccesary... just have a simple I agree site that gives access to the dev forums and the halfwits who go through that just to post where they shouldn't could then be banned and do everyone in these forums a favor!
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GinkgoBiloba said:
I'm not so sure that an invite system would be neccesary... just have a simple I agree site that gives access to the dev forums and the halfwits who go through that just to post where they shouldn't could then be banned and do everyone in these forums a favor!
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Umm, if you would propose that everyone who doesnt post in the correct section should be banned, then OP, you are kinda
stepping on your own feet...
As this thread belongs in About XDA...
As stated before, there doesn't seem to be a "one rule pleases all" compromise...
zacthespack said:
I agree... To a point, the problem is to get RD ir RC you have to post guides or dev work... Which normally should go in the development section.
It really is a hard one and nothing will ever please all
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Well, for RC, you don't *necessarily* need to create threads, and that too, in the dev section...
Afaik, guides belong to the general section, but there are also accepted in the dev section if it is directly related to development, or is there to prevent non-dev posts in dev area...
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Yeah I can appreciate your sentiment but it's not a workable solution. Honestly I don't even think there's a problem, the mods are on their game and the 10 post rule helped weed out some people.

orangekid said:
Yeah I can appreciate your sentiment but it's not a workable solution. Honestly I don't even think there's a problem, the mods are on their game and the 10 post rule helped weed out some people.
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Actually, there must be something to keep them out of OT too, as n00bs come there frequently to increase their post count. I told two of them off today and I got ripped off for being a "party pooper". Sometimes, I wonder why I even bother.
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I just think if its important enough to keep the dev posts clean that they will lock them and then we get all the posts *****ing about misposts (worse then the mispost itself) then why not try something a little more locked down... why would a user like myself need access to post in a dev forum for?
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GinkgoBiloba said:
I just think if its important enough to keep the dev posts clean that they will lock them and then we get all the posts *****ing about misposts (worse then the mispost itself) then why not try something a little more locked down... why would a user like myself need access to post in a dev forum for?
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If you had frequent SODs you could up a logcat, it's very basic stuff and could potentially help the dev out.
Good ideas are always good, and i frequent the HD2 and Galaxy Nexus forums quite a bit, 2 of the busier dev forums, and don't really see problems with this.
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Free hechoen

As some of you may or may not know Hechoen has received a ban from the forums. The ban is his first and is for ten days. The reason for the action was "Disrespectful attitude towards moderator." Some background follows. He was PM'd by a mod to remove his avatar within 48 hours. The mod seemed to think that it could be offensive to some members. His avatar has been around for a long time and was a cartoon of a guy giving the middle finger with the words "Censor this!". As we all know an avatar is an extension of your online personality. To get an idea of whether or not the community found it offensive he posted a question about it in the off-topic thread(that he created). He never named the mod or said anything "disrespectful" towards the mod. Within minutes the post was deleted and he was banned. So I ask any of you that think this action unfair to please respond here. Also feel free to PM a mod(or five) with a link to this thread. If others believe this to be unfair and we unite as a community maybe, just maybe, we'll make a difference.
Sincerely,
Beastmode

To any mods reading this, it would be nice to have a link to the avatar rules for the forums. Thanks.

He has been helping out here as
long as I have been around..always
seems to help where he can..sounds
like they used the avatar thing as an excuse...he has had that avatar as long as I remember... Mods cut him some slack...give him a warning and let it go....
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i might be somewhat a noob but hechoen has been on the sgs4g forums way before i joined and new what roms were he plays an importnd role in xda

Don't worry, the mods have heard our petition and hechoen will be unbanned in approximately 9 more days It's a problem with the forum software, we just can't make it unblock anyone faster than that.

wow really he has never been anything but nice to people ..../failpalm

maybe if i added a little neon effect or something, then it might just be a little appropriate? :banghead:
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It is a good thing he was banned
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No. Hechoen is a good person. A finger is not offensive, it's what you associate the finger with.
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Not that I agree with the ban, but, wasn't he asking to be censored?

I don't know the guy personally but this isn't the first time a mod has abused their powers. Most don't, but then again what can you really do? Hope he's unbanned shortly. And to all the mods not on a power trip, please keep up the fine work we appreciate you.
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androidskillz said:
It is a good thing he was banned
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Why is that??? Please explain the comment.

CSP III said:
Why is that??? Please explain the comment.
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He's a menace to society! The more he helps people the more they'll keep coming back. It burdens all the devs 'cause people keep asking questions since they know they'll receive an answer.

hutson23 said:
Bad message....
Influencing others?
Come on...
What's he a role model now...?
That's a stupid statement...
What is the influence..to give people
the finger...grow-up dude !!
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It's the general principal. He got banned for the reason of portraying a bad image/message to others. Duh
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Thread Cleaned
Well, guess what folks?
This thread itself has been reported, and thus cleaned and closed.
XDA is a development forum, off topic discussion is allowed to some extent to afford users to create relationships that strengthen bonds and friendships that will, hopefully, lead towards a stronger development community and thus, possibly better product for the masses.
BUT you need to also understand the following post - some may have read this before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
That being said - this website, and the threads within, are really for development and the developers. Moderators are merely here to make sure that the aforementioned development, along with the published rules, are being abided by.
Regardless of whether moderators do the popular thing or not, we do what we do with sincere interest for the community as a whole. Users who want to challenge the rules and/or criticize what moderators do and try to incite others in this plight are ones who bring little value to this community. Additionally, and you most should be aware, there are plenty of social media websites available to sign petitions and to express your feelings, XDA is not one of them.
And, to refer to the about linked post by zelendel, no one made you come here. You agreed to be respectful in your posts, to be critical of moderators, who are also members, is also not allowed.
For those of you in here who have posted, good to meet you. I expect you all will try to exercise respect, humanity and dignity from here on out - wherever and whenever you post.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.