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To all the people whining and wasting space on the forums

If you have a problem with someone keep it between yourselves. You can argue with people all you want over pm.
Dev threads are for dev related materials. This means critiques, error reporting, LOGS, and relivent info. What this does not include is arguing with people. Also posts that comment to the op, saying I'm not flashing this because... please no.
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply. If you do, answer it or post a link to a thread with the answer and then say this belongs here. We don't need 3 this belongs here to every question before someone has the heart to answer it. You're adding to the mess.
Also please read ravers post clarifying the sections. The community is becoming way too whiny and every thread is becoming a flame war.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517199
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You're absolutely correct. I, for one, have responded to posts on dev threads that I shouldn't have. No disrespect was meant to the dev it's just seeing certain posts disrespecting the op angered me to the point of responding. I will be more than happy to go back and delete it if I am able. At the very least I will edit.
Edited my post in dev thread.
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im sorry but if raver already posted something referring to this said problem, then are you yourself not whining and wasting forum space?
and once upon a time i posted this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
so you could link this thread if you like

This is addressing a different issue. The main thing here, we are a community. We all want basically the same things. We don't want to read through the flaming of other users and posting counterproductive things. Yes people will post questions in the wrong sections, etc, but it doesn't warrant 5 posts complaining about it's misplacement when it would take one to clarify and inform him KINDLY it's in the wrong place for future posts. Yes that search feature is nice, and things are crowded, but people make mistakes. We need to be a community and treat eachother with respect instead of whining and complaining at everyone.

if anyone has issues, they can use my guide thread to post them in
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I want to point people to my question in the Q&A section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518935
Answers from the mods would be nice. Because the community is creating rules and expecting people to know them in advance. The general rules are basic and dont cover a lot of what people like to claim is rules and whatnot.

yeah, this was more meant to address the people just generally being a%$es. Rules are nice and all, but we don't all need to police them, especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them.

hampsterblade said:
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?

lumin30 said:
How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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im sorry lumin, how mu h time have you spent on irc with team acid? i guarantee its less than hamster and. i have
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What are talking kid.

lumin30 said:
How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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What he's saying is, if you can't help, don't waste yours and our time. At least answering incorrectly shows effort on one's part to help, instead of just blatantly being an ass.
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lumin30 said:
How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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hampsterblade said:
Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.

lumin30 said:
I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.

FBis251 said:
Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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FB I don't plan on following others' actions. And I am not saying what he said in the OP doesn't have merit. However, it seems after he posted this he has been on a posting spree in the dev section... adding to the clutter he denounced in this post. Hell he even accidentally started thread today in the dev section talking about starting a Wiki...
I don't know how me joining the IRC channel will benefit you guys or help. I hope to help by answering noob questions so you guys don't have to. We are going to have to do hand holding whether we want to or not... I am resigned to that fact... therefore, I do my best to handle as many those requests as possible.

....As the world turns (starting to look like a soap)
As lumin30 will tell you we have had our fair number of disagreements here, but I totally agree with him. This is a somewhat relevant post, but it looks more towards the lines of "Do as I say not as I do" post. There are plenty of "This is what your supposed to do" threads like this ----->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
And if this is what the OP is referring to as "especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them."
then please look at date i wrote it (26 aug 2011). If mistaken on what your talking about then I apologize.
Just seems to me that the very thing you are preaching is being done by you.

I'm not trying to spark arguments here.
What I'm mostly saying is cut some people some slack. While it's a good thing to inform people where things should go, that doesn't mean when someone posts something in the wrong thread things only need to be said once, and if it's a simple answer just answer it and inform them it should be in a different section.
Read through some of the old threads especially Raver's roms, and yes some people are dumb reporting bugs that are in the op, or have already been reported, and not providing logs to help. That doesn't mean we need 5 people to reply to the post saying this has already been reported or this belongs in Q&A.
I'm simply saying be friendly. The overall activity of the community has gotten way too hostile. Noobs will be noobs, not that I approve of it, that doesn't mean our older members have to be dicks.
Also my post earlier was a legitimate mistake as I just opened the browser to make the post and didn't notice what section I was in. And As for the wiki I do intend to do it as I feel there is too much to put on one page with sub-pages, and that navigation wise it will make things more friendly for noobs to find information easily with a full FAQ, and wiki pages with full descriptions of roms, how to flash them, and known bugs, as things tend to get lost in the forums. I'm simply working to help out the little guys. We all had a time we were noobs too, just some are dumber than others.

noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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jdubb1106 said:
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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Guh, people are so selective with what they read. I said noobs are dumb in post in the wrong place. Doesn't mean we need 5 people to police them for every post. It only makes things worse.

This thread has turned into a fail as it always has and always will.....damned if you do....damned if you dont...
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Keep the dev threads clean

This is nothing new for a lot of us but since we got ics roms there have been a lot of noobs. DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS IN THE DEV THREADS. There are q&a threads for every rom so post your questions there and don't post the same question over and over. The only reason to post in the dev thread is to report bugs. Don't take this the wrong way anyone but its getting out of hand and I thought it needed to be addressed.
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A good rule of thumb is ask the question once. If a answer is not given within a day bump your question dont ask again.
If your not sure what bumping a post is I will explain. You quote your previous post that has the unanswered question. If more than one was asked then just edit out the answered questions. It would look something like this.
How come this rom is so awesome?
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in the case of aokp dont talk about ponies seriously I saw the vibrant forums and the dev had to lock thread for talking about ponies:highfive:

These are all true. So I won't quote anyone specifically. I know in the last few days you've seen me post a bit, but there are weeks/months where I don't post at all. I'm not always watching the forum and have A LIFE TO LIVE (I'm sure you do to ).
A few of you guys are my ifriends and iassociates. And I like helping out, its in my nature. But as you see, I ask in my OPs that people follow a few of my own rules. And as you can tell, when my rules are broken I lock my threads. Because I don't need to walk away from my computer to go hang out with my daughter and come back to a thread full of off topic garbage that you guys could have been chatting on IRC or on PM.
It used to be in my signature, maybe I should add it again.
How to ask questions the smart way, by Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen.
This document is your howto on using forums, mailing lists and IRC. I can be honest and say that I don't always follow that document and am sometimes making my own mistakes.
Anyways, I highly recommend that everyone reads that document all the way through at least once.
Enjoy...

I hope people are taking the time to read this, but I doubt it.
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Hint-hint.
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only member have 10 minimum post....why?

Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....

This is exactly why there is 10 minimum useful posts rule.
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yes i also want to ask question on development forum.

Because of selfish people posting stuff like: "yo, I didnt read the guide or the faq lol so plz post a one-click exe so dat i can install the hackz0rz on my phone thx."
Personally, I don't think this 10 post limit is that effective. However, it might deter the worst offenders...

XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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KidCarter93 said:
XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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What he said, the rules are in place to stop normal users posting no dev stuff in the development section.

this is a rule, follow the rules and try to help.... and read a lot! learn a lot! and then help a lot!

I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.

SphunaR said:
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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If the rule was considered "stupid" then it wouldn't be in place. It's in place in an attempt to cut down on the spam and useless crap which goes into the development forums. There's no 100% way of stopping spam but at least this aides the solution.
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SphunaR said:
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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People still post ALOT that shouldnt be in the dev, but this is one way to slow it down
To many people post questions in the dev forum and so it had to be done

I think it's a good idea... personally i entered here to find answers to some questions about my phone (a Huawei U8180), but every single question that i had has already been answered... and i don't flood a thread with my silly questions... so... i think this method is good.

ompew said:
Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....
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Let's be honest, making ten posts really isn't hard.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to get their ten posts by complaining that they have to get ten posts in the first place.
Dave
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Okizhaa said:
Baaaad ...
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All your posts up to now are useless, and doesn't contribute to the forums at all. Mostly just a few words answering the, what is your first phone, forum or something like that.
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First of all, wrong section for this type of topic. Secondly, this rule is in place for a number of good reasons and likely will remain, so complaining isn't go to get anyone anywhere. Finally, cheap attempts to increase one's post count beyond 10 (ie. spam) will result in those posts being deleted and a warning being issued. Thread closed.

[Q] Should we do something like this?????

Ok so been searching around the forums and found there seems to be a few devs/rom devs that use this on the second or third post.....
List of Shame (Flagged Users)
These are the list of users who asked questions without properly reading the OP. It's a waste of space and a waste of time to read it. Read OP twice. Think twice. and Think again before posting. If you don't, you'll end up here and will no longer get the support you're looking from me and of course, it will be a big shame for you.
offender Names + offences Ie : op states Wifi does not work User X brings up wifi does not work.
Not sure where credit is actually due but could help to avoid a lot of drama.....

I LOVE this idea! Not sure if it's any kind of infringement on forum rules or not, but could be a great "checks and balance" for n00obs and others to think twice before posting...
Edit: I think we (you) should post a thread in the General Section, so as for all to see! Also, as mentioned below, create a set of "Rules of Redemption" for listees to have a chance to be removed.
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Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Oh this is awesome!!! I like the idea, but you should expand this for everyone, not just yourself to not give support to those list of users on this, list.
there should also be a way off the bad boy list too, not sure how at the moment, but there has to be a way to redeem oneself like maybe a three strikes or something to actually get on the list and then there is no getting off, but the first and second time(s) you get a chance to redeem yourself and can still get off this list maybe..

devilhunter47 said:
Well once someone gets their name in the list further posts from them will be ignored even if they are genuine dont you think??
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Think this would be more to make users read and research a little more..... If they end up on the list and ask something down the road if it is relevant we will not shun them atleast me.....
@ Jim yea some type of balance system to keep things in check would be the way to go..... Someone on with 1 post on a list could say get a warning or whatever they end up repeat offenders then take action.....

How about the multiple section tags feature? This will act as keyword for searching. E.g. http://stackoverflow.com like meta tags....fixed tags for each section can only created by reputed members only.
I said so as we have auto suggestion for similar questions is already there.
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Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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Well we could throw around some ideas and see what would be a fair way to work something like this.....

Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.

For each first time offender, a link to this: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1857631[GUIDE] How To Be A New Member, Not A N00B (?) and a "written warning" with the expressed intent to add them to the 'black list' if found in contempt again...
Edit: hankbizzo5, and you might PM prbassplayer and see about getting him on board with this. If others can't read the rules (as listed by YOU) and post an offender in the thread and neglect to send said offender to you via PM, then you can have that post linked to their offense, assuming it's their first and in "written warning" with form.
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I will let this run for a few and gather as much info and oppinions as I can..... then will post up a (Bad boys list).....

Suggestions:
Rules, first and foremost- infractions of offenders to include, but not limited to:
Any member found posting in wrong sections and/or posting a new thread unnecessarily or a re-posting of similar thread(s).
Apparent and blatant failure to search before posting
Posting incorrect or bogus information
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
Posting Warez or other solicitations for gain/profit/personal advantage
Spamming the boards
Not using or posting in English
Posting/bumping one's own threads repeatedly for quicker responses
Using other's work(s) without permission(s)
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
Asking for donations
(Basically, all the "normal" and expected forum rules to adhere to and observe)
Disciplinary Actions:
1st offense = "written warning" with in your (hankbizzo5) OP along with link of infraction and brief description
2nd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 15 days
3rd offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list for 30 days
4th offense = name of user added to the "List of Shame" with links to infractions and brief description. Name to be held on list permanently
Rules of Redemption:
1st time offenders = provide 3 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
2nd time offenders = provide 5 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
3rd time offenders = provide 10 helpful or useful posts to members with links to be PM'd to hankbizzo5 for review of redemption and subsequent removal of List of Shame
4th time offenders= you're out of luck
Feel free to tweak/add/omit/etc
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jimbridgman said:
Here is my thoughts for this:
2 lists:
1) Infractions list:
Users name and a +1 or a +2 after their name, and the offense(s) i.e. not searching, or posting an issue in a forum that was already in the OP.
2) Permanent "bad boy list", this is 3 or more infractions, and the list of said infractions are not needed.
The fist list should include a link to said infraction(s), and it should last for 15 days for first offense, and 3-60 days for the 2nd offense. These offense should be notified to you hankbizzo through PM or some "more private" facility.
These are just my thoughts on this.
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And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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leifemagnuson said:
Lots of forums have a q&a section. Each rom then has a post where users can help each other and leave the dev threads uncluttered. It can be listed in op and any question asked can simply be replied with the link to said forum. This could be used in conjunction with a list of shame.
I once thought a forum had to have a certain amount of post to get a q&a but the ion has one with hardly any activity.
My two cents. I like the list of shame idea though.
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I agree wholeheartedly with a q&a section.
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Wow. I understand the intent behind all this, and if people have the time/energy to track it all, more power to you. I understand the frustration behind this effort, but I think it does more to quell free exchange of information than promote it. However, here's my two comments...
Flaming/trolling/or other 'misconduct' such as combative or abusive language and/or intolerance of others
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You may need to break this one out more. Flaming and Trolling are usually obvious, but I've seen some posts by all parties devolve into abusive and intolerant responses.
Not posting in clear, concise manner(s)
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Not sure about this one. Not everyone is clear and concise.

smgulsby said:
And who will be judge and jury? How can we be assured that no bias is used in judgement.
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The "jury" might be a selection of Senior Members and Developers who could review the infractions. Let's face it, the rules are simple, and those breaking them are easy to spot. No need for "innocent until prove that guilty" with most of these kind of things...
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So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general or if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Well, it's all still sort of being fleshed out at the moment. Not even sure if we'll commit to such a thread, but if so those on the 'permanent' list don't necessarily get completely alienated, but there should be NO REASON for anyone to even get there. It's more a "boilerplate" consequence which should see no members find themselves there. As far as not allowing members to post in certain threads as result of their rule breaking, we don't have that type of authority nor should we want it. It's more like a "stockade", if you will, to keep everyone from fugging up; and if they do its right there for everyone to see. Nobody likes to be humiliated, and I doubt there will be much more than written reprimand actions being given anyhow. I don't know, hankbizzo5 says he's seen this done elsewhere, and chances are its 'quelled' no free exchange of information. Those that ended up on the lists elsewhere obviously said or did something stupid. I wouldn't consider that type of information exchange valued or important. Who knows, still in the bouncing around ideas and thoughts stages...
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leifemagnuson said:
So I'm clear. Above scenarios jim's or apex's. The end result would be an agreement not to help people on the permanent banned list?
The ones on the infraction list could still participate and or receive help in say the general of if we get one the q&a thread for a specific rom?
Then only members "in good standing" could post bug or bug reports in the devs rom thread in dev section. Leaving the other sections for users to help thus relieving some of the reading and burden involved in maintaining a rom.
General section would still be open for threads other than blatant reposts or complete disregard for established xda forum rules?
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Pretty much anyone can still do what they like, and it will still be up to anyone or everyone to do what they want. If you would like to follow the method on putting those on the so called bad boy list on your ignore list, is again up to you to do. These users can still post and do anything they want on xda, it is up to individual users to decide how they really want to take part or not in this. I am thinking for me that anyone who ends up on the permanent list would end up on my ignore list and anyone on the other lists would just be more like a slap on the hand would still get full support unless the really pushed it and ended up on the permanent list, which then again it is up to you to ignore or not.
That is just my take on it.

This seems puerile.

Of course this is all based whether we as users agree to said scenarios. My first paragraph could have been clearer I guess. Over all I like the idea. I think I prefer apex's 4th offence along with the redemption policy.
My thoughts on keeping this from being stickied. I, like I bet most of you don't always check the stickies when on tapatalk. I much prefer the bump system for this type of thing with links in op's and signatures.
Edit: Has anyone seen or read "A boy and his dog"? Who is the committee?
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As some of you may or may not know Hechoen has received a ban from the forums. The ban is his first and is for ten days. The reason for the action was "Disrespectful attitude towards moderator." Some background follows. He was PM'd by a mod to remove his avatar within 48 hours. The mod seemed to think that it could be offensive to some members. His avatar has been around for a long time and was a cartoon of a guy giving the middle finger with the words "Censor this!". As we all know an avatar is an extension of your online personality. To get an idea of whether or not the community found it offensive he posted a question about it in the off-topic thread(that he created). He never named the mod or said anything "disrespectful" towards the mod. Within minutes the post was deleted and he was banned. So I ask any of you that think this action unfair to please respond here. Also feel free to PM a mod(or five) with a link to this thread. If others believe this to be unfair and we unite as a community maybe, just maybe, we'll make a difference.
Sincerely,
Beastmode

To any mods reading this, it would be nice to have a link to the avatar rules for the forums. Thanks.

He has been helping out here as
long as I have been around..always
seems to help where he can..sounds
like they used the avatar thing as an excuse...he has had that avatar as long as I remember... Mods cut him some slack...give him a warning and let it go....
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i might be somewhat a noob but hechoen has been on the sgs4g forums way before i joined and new what roms were he plays an importnd role in xda

Don't worry, the mods have heard our petition and hechoen will be unbanned in approximately 9 more days It's a problem with the forum software, we just can't make it unblock anyone faster than that.

wow really he has never been anything but nice to people ..../failpalm

maybe if i added a little neon effect or something, then it might just be a little appropriate? :banghead:
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It is a good thing he was banned
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No. Hechoen is a good person. A finger is not offensive, it's what you associate the finger with.
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Not that I agree with the ban, but, wasn't he asking to be censored?

I don't know the guy personally but this isn't the first time a mod has abused their powers. Most don't, but then again what can you really do? Hope he's unbanned shortly. And to all the mods not on a power trip, please keep up the fine work we appreciate you.
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androidskillz said:
It is a good thing he was banned
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Why is that??? Please explain the comment.

CSP III said:
Why is that??? Please explain the comment.
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He's a menace to society! The more he helps people the more they'll keep coming back. It burdens all the devs 'cause people keep asking questions since they know they'll receive an answer.

hutson23 said:
Bad message....
Influencing others?
Come on...
What's he a role model now...?
That's a stupid statement...
What is the influence..to give people
the finger...grow-up dude !!
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It's the general principal. He got banned for the reason of portraying a bad image/message to others. Duh
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Thread Cleaned
Well, guess what folks?
This thread itself has been reported, and thus cleaned and closed.
XDA is a development forum, off topic discussion is allowed to some extent to afford users to create relationships that strengthen bonds and friendships that will, hopefully, lead towards a stronger development community and thus, possibly better product for the masses.
BUT you need to also understand the following post - some may have read this before http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=16682226&postcount=2441
That being said - this website, and the threads within, are really for development and the developers. Moderators are merely here to make sure that the aforementioned development, along with the published rules, are being abided by.
Regardless of whether moderators do the popular thing or not, we do what we do with sincere interest for the community as a whole. Users who want to challenge the rules and/or criticize what moderators do and try to incite others in this plight are ones who bring little value to this community. Additionally, and you most should be aware, there are plenty of social media websites available to sign petitions and to express your feelings, XDA is not one of them.
And, to refer to the about linked post by zelendel, no one made you come here. You agreed to be respectful in your posts, to be critical of moderators, who are also members, is also not allowed.
For those of you in here who have posted, good to meet you. I expect you all will try to exercise respect, humanity and dignity from here on out - wherever and whenever you post.
Enjoy the rest of the weekend.