i have been a member of xda forums for 1 1/2 years, as well as other android forums around the net. i'm usually the type of person that reads the threads more than i post in them, unless i truly have a helpful answer for someone or i genuinely need help with something. bc of this i have only two posts here at xda, as it's not my go-to forum. nonetheless, i still look through threads here for info and help and occasionally i know the answer to someone's question. upon trying to help someone out earlier in the vzw gnex development forum i was presented with a v-bulletin message telling me i'm not allowed to post there because it's for 'advanced users' who have 'more than ten posts.' i find this to be a ridiculous policy, based solely on my prior activity, or lack thereof. i consider myself to be pretty proficient with android, and basically i would have to make seven other posts in addition to this one (which would have no merit as i don't need to make seven other posts at this time) and clog up other sections of the forums just so i can reply to someone in a development thread. is there no way around this? or do i truly have to come up with some bs posts elsewhere just to help someone?
The reason is they don't want time wasters taking up the time of the developers or people asking questions which have already been asked and answered. Where all it would take is a little effort to search. It fairly easy to get your ten posts look for other forums where you could help. With the amount of members xda all ready has and the amount that sign up everyday, there no way of knowing or determining what expertise the new member may or not have.
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i understand what you mean, but I'm far off from being a new member. As stated in the op I've been a member for a year and a half (since Feb 2011.) Oh well. Thanks for the reply
All I can suggest is u look about some of the other forum's where u can post and see if there are people in their u can help.
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As chris170569 said, it really isn't difficult to write 10 posts around these forums. If indeed you've done a lot of reading here and are a proficient android user, as you say, then even though you may not feel the need to make other posts, but there are always users here who need help.
The best place to start of is in the forums for your device and look through the General and Q&A sections of said forum to see if you can help anyone.
There's always the option of helping out in the General and Q&A subforums of the General forum.
The posts really won't take long to build up.
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What you post was absolutely ryt bro::thumbup::thumbup::thumbup:
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Just like KidCarter93 and chris170569 have said it is pretty easy to get 10 thanked posted. As you can see I'm a pretty new member and already have gotten 10+ thanked post. However, when I first came to XDA I didn't even get a thanked post in a forum until almost a month later. After that I post at least once a day, to see if I can help someone out. Just saying you get in what you put out.
Since you're proficient in android, make a thread on answering people's question (if there isn't one already). But to answer your question the only way to answer people's question that you come across is to private message them.
running into the same issue ... need help big time on my EVO
Go to the discussion forum for your device. Should find someone there. Or start a new thread in the Q & A section for your device. Make sure u have really really searched first, if your problem can be sorted by a quick search n u not done that you will get flamed mercessilly
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I see there isn't a suggestion section under the captivate and decided to post here so the developers are likely to see it. Though maybe the mods can implement it as well.
I was thinking that since us noobs can never find the questions that have been asked and answered do to the staggering number of posts in some of these threads; could download threads be locked and stickied but have a link to a Q&A thread on the topic, and a separate discussion thread that is labeled for posting by devs only? I know this is more threads and maybe I'm speaking nonsense but I see a lot of people get blown off, or better yet someone answers them only to tell them to search for the answer or just put people down. Like if you are gonna take the time and space on the board to say something to someone you can't give a link and a page number.
I know you guys are super helpful, but the board is hard to navigate because of the huge number of posts, I think a Q&A topic for each download topic with a link would keep the noobs out of your hair and questions could be answered by intermediate users and not make it hard for the busy devs to communicate amongst themselves.
What do you think?
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Wrong section. This section is for develpment. Period.
I vote no. 90% of the time the first post is the info/download information, and the rest of the post is the "Q&A" section you want. And the other 10% of the time the information isn't in the first post because noobs aren't going to read an entire thread and the "release" is still in "oh crap this may break stuff".
I just think its cluttered and the lay person can't navigate and the knowledgeable people are unwilling to answer the same questions too many times (understandable).
My next suggestion is to have a suggestion section.
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Dani897 said:
I just think its cluttered and the lay person can't navigate and the knowledgeable people are unwilling to answer the same questions too many times (understandable).
My next suggestion is to have a suggestion section.
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If people used the search function, they would find answers to already asked questions. Having stickie Q/A stuff to correspond to Dev stuff sounds nice, but no one will look for it - they don't look now and search works very well.
I thought I was speaking sense but obviously its not being received.
You don't need to sticky the qa just link to it and people will find it.
Searching is unreliable because that means the phrasing needs to be close.
But I'll just let this die.
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Hi,
I am a dev for Advent Vega and want to post my ROM but because xda is so unfriendly, I have to spam (great I thought this method was to counter this)! Also I have to wait 5 minutes between every post.
Why did you make xda such an unfriendly place?
Areo
There are much Users who just can Spam and think they are Devs because the successfully flashed a Rom or rooted something..
If you are a Dev, follow this link http://www.xda-developers.com/recognized-developer-program/
xda
They're trying to push new users away from posting pointless garb on their forums.
it's a community, not tech support
I think they do it to discourage users that treat the forum as free tech support, rather than a community focused on a common interest.
Obviously that doesn't describe you, but you do benefit from participating in a forum that limits 'how do I ..' and 'help me' type posts and discourages dependence on it's members.
A lot of people want to be held by the hand through every step of a process or problem. That attitude, though perfectly understandable, drains the time and/or patience of everybody around them, resources that are better spent on solving issues that haven't been addressed on numerous other sites.
There is this thing called the general section and noobs can post there
They don't want noobs getting in the way of development
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As a part time dev myself, I can perfectly understand where they're coming from here. It's easy for a person to assume that somebody is happy to walk them through installing something, but when there's hundreds of people like that a day, and all of them are asking questions that have answers in very easy to find places, it becomes very pissing off.
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Still spamming sorry!!!!
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why dont you just help 10 ppl instead of spamming thats what xda is about helping others sharing your knowledge
I was also uneasy about the 10 post thing, but I definitely understand why you have to actually prove that you want be on the forums instead of being like I CANT ROOT MI PHONE HELP ME PLZ!!!!!!
If you have a problem with someone keep it between yourselves. You can argue with people all you want over pm.
Dev threads are for dev related materials. This means critiques, error reporting, LOGS, and relivent info. What this does not include is arguing with people. Also posts that comment to the op, saying I'm not flashing this because... please no.
Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply. If you do, answer it or post a link to a thread with the answer and then say this belongs here. We don't need 3 this belongs here to every question before someone has the heart to answer it. You're adding to the mess.
Also please read ravers post clarifying the sections. The community is becoming way too whiny and every thread is becoming a flame war.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1517199
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You're absolutely correct. I, for one, have responded to posts on dev threads that I shouldn't have. No disrespect was meant to the dev it's just seeing certain posts disrespecting the op angered me to the point of responding. I will be more than happy to go back and delete it if I am able. At the very least I will edit.
Edited my post in dev thread.
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im sorry but if raver already posted something referring to this said problem, then are you yourself not whining and wasting forum space?
and once upon a time i posted this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
so you could link this thread if you like
This is addressing a different issue. The main thing here, we are a community. We all want basically the same things. We don't want to read through the flaming of other users and posting counterproductive things. Yes people will post questions in the wrong sections, etc, but it doesn't warrant 5 posts complaining about it's misplacement when it would take one to clarify and inform him KINDLY it's in the wrong place for future posts. Yes that search feature is nice, and things are crowded, but people make mistakes. We need to be a community and treat eachother with respect instead of whining and complaining at everyone.
if anyone has issues, they can use my guide thread to post them in
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I want to point people to my question in the Q&A section.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1518935
Answers from the mods would be nice. Because the community is creating rules and expecting people to know them in advance. The general rules are basic and dont cover a lot of what people like to claim is rules and whatnot.
yeah, this was more meant to address the people just generally being a%$es. Rules are nice and all, but we don't all need to police them, especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them.
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Also replying to a question with this belongs here wastes space. If you don't know don't reply.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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im sorry lumin, how mu h time have you spent on irc with team acid? i guarantee its less than hamster and. i have
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What are talking kid.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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What he's saying is, if you can't help, don't waste yours and our time. At least answering incorrectly shows effort on one's part to help, instead of just blatantly being an ass.
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How many questions have you answered incorrectly in the dev threads today after writing this?
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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Plenty. Answer the question and direct them to the right place, especially if it only takes one post to answer. If it'd take more link them to a more relivent thread.
For every one noob asking a question in the wrong place we have 5 "experts" repeating this goes here wasting more space than it'd take to answer.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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I'm sorry hampsterblade - I mean no disrespect - but you seem to have a Do as I say not as I do attitude with this post and your posting in the dev threads.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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Well if you DO follow his actions then you'd be in our IRC channel helping us debug and giving us logs. Hampster's one of the only new names that I've seen giving us legitimate help lately.
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FB I don't plan on following others' actions. And I am not saying what he said in the OP doesn't have merit. However, it seems after he posted this he has been on a posting spree in the dev section... adding to the clutter he denounced in this post. Hell he even accidentally started thread today in the dev section talking about starting a Wiki...
I don't know how me joining the IRC channel will benefit you guys or help. I hope to help by answering noob questions so you guys don't have to. We are going to have to do hand holding whether we want to or not... I am resigned to that fact... therefore, I do my best to handle as many those requests as possible.
....As the world turns (starting to look like a soap)
As lumin30 will tell you we have had our fair number of disagreements here, but I totally agree with him. This is a somewhat relevant post, but it looks more towards the lines of "Do as I say not as I do" post. There are plenty of "This is what your supposed to do" threads like this ----->
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1235789
And if this is what the OP is referring to as "especially if it means posting 5 threads policing them."
then please look at date i wrote it (26 aug 2011). If mistaken on what your talking about then I apologize.
Just seems to me that the very thing you are preaching is being done by you.
I'm not trying to spark arguments here.
What I'm mostly saying is cut some people some slack. While it's a good thing to inform people where things should go, that doesn't mean when someone posts something in the wrong thread things only need to be said once, and if it's a simple answer just answer it and inform them it should be in a different section.
Read through some of the old threads especially Raver's roms, and yes some people are dumb reporting bugs that are in the op, or have already been reported, and not providing logs to help. That doesn't mean we need 5 people to reply to the post saying this has already been reported or this belongs in Q&A.
I'm simply saying be friendly. The overall activity of the community has gotten way too hostile. Noobs will be noobs, not that I approve of it, that doesn't mean our older members have to be dicks.
Also my post earlier was a legitimate mistake as I just opened the browser to make the post and didn't notice what section I was in. And As for the wiki I do intend to do it as I feel there is too much to put on one page with sub-pages, and that navigation wise it will make things more friendly for noobs to find information easily with a full FAQ, and wiki pages with full descriptions of roms, how to flash them, and known bugs, as things tend to get lost in the forums. I'm simply working to help out the little guys. We all had a time we were noobs too, just some are dumber than others.
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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jdubb1106 said:
noobs will be noobs, saying that just tells people hey i'm a noob and noobs will be noobs...so I'll just post where ever I like and continue not to use search
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Guh, people are so selective with what they read. I said noobs are dumb in post in the wrong place. Doesn't mean we need 5 people to police them for every post. It only makes things worse.
This thread has turned into a fail as it always has and always will.....damned if you do....damned if you dont...
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This is nothing new for a lot of us but since we got ics roms there have been a lot of noobs. DO NOT ASK QUESTIONS IN THE DEV THREADS. There are q&a threads for every rom so post your questions there and don't post the same question over and over. The only reason to post in the dev thread is to report bugs. Don't take this the wrong way anyone but its getting out of hand and I thought it needed to be addressed.
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A good rule of thumb is ask the question once. If a answer is not given within a day bump your question dont ask again.
If your not sure what bumping a post is I will explain. You quote your previous post that has the unanswered question. If more than one was asked then just edit out the answered questions. It would look something like this.
How come this rom is so awesome?
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in the case of aokp dont talk about ponies seriously I saw the vibrant forums and the dev had to lock thread for talking about ponies:highfive:
These are all true. So I won't quote anyone specifically. I know in the last few days you've seen me post a bit, but there are weeks/months where I don't post at all. I'm not always watching the forum and have A LIFE TO LIVE (I'm sure you do to ).
A few of you guys are my ifriends and iassociates. And I like helping out, its in my nature. But as you see, I ask in my OPs that people follow a few of my own rules. And as you can tell, when my rules are broken I lock my threads. Because I don't need to walk away from my computer to go hang out with my daughter and come back to a thread full of off topic garbage that you guys could have been chatting on IRC or on PM.
It used to be in my signature, maybe I should add it again.
How to ask questions the smart way, by Eric S. Raymond and Rick Moen.
This document is your howto on using forums, mailing lists and IRC. I can be honest and say that I don't always follow that document and am sometimes making my own mistakes.
Anyways, I highly recommend that everyone reads that document all the way through at least once.
Enjoy...
I hope people are taking the time to read this, but I doubt it.
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Hint-hint.
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Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....
This is exactly why there is 10 minimum useful posts rule.
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yes i also want to ask question on development forum.
Because of selfish people posting stuff like: "yo, I didnt read the guide or the faq lol so plz post a one-click exe so dat i can install the hackz0rz on my phone thx."
Personally, I don't think this 10 post limit is that effective. However, it might deter the worst offenders...
XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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XDA has rules like this in place for a reason and if you don't like them, it's tough really. The rules won't simply change because a few people moan about them.
So you want to post in the development forums? Either it's going to be a question which belongs in Q&A, you saying "Thanks" for a ROM, or being genuine and reporting an issue with a certain ROM etc.
Now, if it belongs in Q&A, keep it in Q&A. If you just want to say 'thanks', there's a button for that. And if you want to report a problem, bug etc. then either the dev already knows about it because of someone else reporting it, OR it's something that can wait until you've made 10 helpful posts. (If it was something too major, the dev would already know about it)
Is it really so hard for you to make 10 constructive posts? The answer to that is no.
The best way to do that is to answer other people's problems and queries in the General and Q&A forums for your device. Now that's really not hard to do.
And, on a final note, as you'll notice here, if you stay around for long enough and help others out, it's only the people who have around 10 posts who moan about the rule. People who have passed this restriction don't keep *****ing about it or anything like that. They simply say, while it may not have been ideal, we'll do as instructed and stick to the rules so we can truly enjoy our time as part of this vibrant community.
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What he said, the rules are in place to stop normal users posting no dev stuff in the development section.
this is a rule, follow the rules and try to help.... and read a lot! learn a lot! and then help a lot!
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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If the rule was considered "stupid" then it wouldn't be in place. It's in place in an attempt to cut down on the spam and useless crap which goes into the development forums. There's no 100% way of stopping spam but at least this aides the solution.
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SphunaR said:
I have often solutions for some problems, but i can't post in development. It's stupid (10 posts)
You can do another restrictions for spammers etc.
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People still post ALOT that shouldnt be in the dev, but this is one way to slow it down
To many people post questions in the dev forum and so it had to be done
I think it's a good idea... personally i entered here to find answers to some questions about my phone (a Huawei U8180), but every single question that i had has already been answered... and i don't flood a thread with my silly questions... so... i think this method is good.
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Hello All....
Sory before...i have join XDA forum, since time along ago.....
But, just from now i have been post in this forum...
Why? cause only member have 10 minimum post can reply the thread in every section...
I hope admin, can reduction this problem...cause, much member like me want to reply the thread but he can't....
anyway...thanks before for any respon....
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Let's be honest, making ten posts really isn't hard.
Unfortunately a lot of people seem to get their ten posts by complaining that they have to get ten posts in the first place.
Dave
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Baaaad ...
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All your posts up to now are useless, and doesn't contribute to the forums at all. Mostly just a few words answering the, what is your first phone, forum or something like that.
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First of all, wrong section for this type of topic. Secondly, this rule is in place for a number of good reasons and likely will remain, so complaining isn't go to get anyone anywhere. Finally, cheap attempts to increase one's post count beyond 10 (ie. spam) will result in those posts being deleted and a warning being issued. Thread closed.