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Probably will make Samsung have to stop using similar designs (to a certain degree) and ford over quite a bit of money to apple.
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If Apple makes a curved-glass iPhone (just like Galaxy S) as is currently rumored, they are hypocrites of the highest order.
we went through this in the captivate section. apple is just trying to project an image as an orrigonator andt take credit from those that they have coppied. it has little to do with winning or losing a lawsuit. the galaxy s resembles samsung phones that predate the iphone more than it resembles the iphone., if anything they will have to change the launcher layout a little. the funny thing is that lg and sony have copied many of the features of tw. and lg took it to the point that they also look pretty much like an iphone, but looks almost exactly like a sgs. look at the opimus black. if that doesnt say sgs i dont know what does. apple is only mad because on the international market the sgs is as successful as the iphone.
when it comes to looks apple has never had a style of there own instead they copy the look of an obscure product line from the 1960's and hope nobody notices.
http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future
and as far as the iphone form factor goes
http://techexa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Apple-vs-Samsung.jpg
so all apple has to stnd on is that the app drawer functions similar to apples home screen. but those arent even the same thing. it is not like the whole user experience is the same. just the scrolling directions and ability to reorganise icons.
there si more to it than that as well samsung is counter suing for infringment on something like 20+ patents in mobile technology. what people dont realize is that samsung is the largest patent holder in mobile technology and is a much larger company than apple, also apple purchases many parts from samsung, the iphone 4 and ipad use basically hummingbird processors with a lesser gpu. they may be using new suppliers now but im sure it cant help them to have messed up that business deal.
New interface at the most...
I like how Samsung has to show apple upcoming phones like the infuse I already own!
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Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.
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Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.
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I would LOVE for Samsung to drop them as a customer.
There are other companies that can produce the parts, but Samsung is actually big enough to keep up with the orders.
Anyways, they make the most money from Sony, so Sony is more precious to them then Apple.
(if they did get dropped, that iPhone 5 delay would go from September to July of 2012)
People still want Iphones?
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lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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Funny, I saw an apple employee with a android device as well. "Shhh, don't tell."
Apple lawsuit victory on HTC gone to their head and now they're suing samsung to to stop the release of the galaxy s 3 in the u.s, but i guessing apples motto now for competition is if u cant beat em, then sue them and try to get a ban on the product lmao
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13579_3-57449407-37/apple-may-seek-u.s-ban-of-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-today/
Oh man dont get me started i will get kicked off this fourm but yeah that is old news the judge decided that he has more real world issues to deal with first so the case is being delayed but yea they arw trying.
I really can't stand apple! I have never and WILL never own an apple product! And if my kids ever bring an apple product into the house... their grounded lol!
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Business world is a dog eat dog world. But this news did leave a disdain taste in my mouth about apple. I do own an ipod because its like a monoply now when it comes to mp3 devices but thats as far as im going with apple products.
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Yeah I believe they're not going to try to ban the S3 as was their initial plan, they're just going to sue for patents. At the end of the day, Apple does rely heavily on Samsung for parts..
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F**k Apple, I refuse to own anything from them. Like, seriously...suing others because you have no innovation left. As for iPods, I use my Galaxy S2 for that...hense my really big sd card.
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I have a galaxy s2 with 32gb of storage and am soon to be getting a galaxy s3 with 80gb of storage ( 16internal + 64gb sd card) AND another 50gb of dropbox on top of that..to make 130gb of storage totaling... why in the world would I need an ipod? One device that does all
Btw I'm also very anti-apple. I will never own another product of theirs and one will not be brought into my house by wife or kids
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I'm not anti-apple but apple throwing out lawsuits left and right because they don't want competition seems childish.
Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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because apple is the first to make square phones/tablets with rounded edges! such innovation! everyone elseshould make phones that are shaped like a circle!
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Well when Samsung uses some of apples patented material what do you expect to happen? And their galaxy tab looked EXACTLY like the iPad and it comes in the exact same box with the exact same charger and you expect them not to sue? I'm not saying I hate Samsung and im an apple fanboy because I obviously own one a gsii and not an iPhone and will probably get the gsiii but don't go around yelling f**k apple when you probably don't even know what its about or because you just don't like them. They only sue because they are trying to protect their patented materials and they most likely won't win anyway.
Also this forum is for SGH-T989 discussions not GSIII and apple discussions btw.
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I agree with this. With the announcement of the SGS3 Sammy debuted "S-Voice" which of course a direct rip off of Siri. And the original touch wiz tried to look like iOS.
I hate Apple as much as the next guy. I disdain their devices, I hate OSX with a passion(seriously the most illogical annoying piece of software ive ever used). But Samsung does copy them, and Samsung needs to stop or pay the price.
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because apple is the first to make square phones/tablets with rounded edges! such innovation! everyone elseshould make phones that are shaped like a circle!
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Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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Its pretty hard to detract from a black bezel and aluminum back. There's a dozen different tablet manufacturers out there and I can't see a dozen clearly defined designs being made for something so simple. There's a million different pencil makers too and guess what they all look the same so someone better start suing someone
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Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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You have a link for that or any source?
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I will say f**k Apple, or did we all just forget the Foxconn issue like Apple did.(rhetorical)
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Its not because its rounded its because it looked EXACTLY the same. Apple even asked a Samsung lawyer that was defending Samsung if he could tell them apart when he held both of them up during a court trial and he couldn't tell them apart. You can tell an iPad apart from a blackberry Playbook or the Sony tablet or the nook or kindle because they didn't completely copy the design.
Again I'm not an apple fanboy and love Samsung phones I just don't like people flaming, especially when its in the wrong place, when they don't seem to know what they're talking about and just like to diss apple whenever they can.
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Without a link to your source I call BS. A Samsung lawyer defending Samsung would NEVER say he couldn't tell the difference between a Tab and an iPad. While there may similarities, the single button on the face of an iPad (that looks like no other button on any other tablet) is enough to tell them apart. Or, if looking at them from the back, the Apple logo is enough.
It's not about Apple protecting their legitimate IP, it's Apple abusing a broken patent system and getting patents granted that never should have been allowed, then turning around and suing every company that is in competition with them, using those patents as justification.
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Never have and never will own an Apple product.
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Hmm, whilst I have a strong dislike of the iPhone and the Macs there's no denying that the iPad is the king of tablets and the iPod is the king of MP3 players (although why you would buy an iPod over a mid-range Android phone I don't know).
That is one reason why I will never own anything from Apple!!
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I agree with this. With the announcement of the SGS3 Sammy debuted "S-Voice" which of course a direct rip off of Siri. And the original touch wiz tried to look like iOS.
I hate Apple as much as the next guy. I disdain their devices, I hate OSX with a passion(seriously the most illogical annoying piece of software ive ever used). But Samsung does copy them, and Samsung needs to stop or pay the price.
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Leaving aside previous products looking similar this news is about S3 which is not similar to iphone as it was designed to circumvent previous apple patent claims so in this case it is wrong of them to try banning it.
S voice is not a Siri rip off, its an assistant app and there are many such apps which also existed before Siri but we don't say Siri copied them anymore than we say a ford copies a ferrari because they can do the same thing and besides I don't think Siri is patented.
I agree Samsung have made similar looking products to apple but S3 is not one of them and apple just seem scared of the competition from it.
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Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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Samsung won a battle, but the patent war will go on.
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Don't get me wrong it sounds like great news... how about a link to the news article that you read this news on? Or are you referring to the U.K. ruling? http://www.pcworld.com/article/2589...h_to_infringe_apple_design_says_uk_judge.html
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Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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This is just for the UK, has no bearing over here in the States or other parts of the world. FYI
Yea, the judge said he didn't think it could be mistaken for an Ipad, Judge Birss said according to Bloomberg, “They are not as cool.”
Now Google has to pony up 22 million for breaking into Safari and bypassing security settings to imbed cookies. That's no different than a hacker or virus. Come on Google, now you're acting like Bankers...Getting alittle too big to fail and I'll do whatever I please...
Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)
I agree with those claims of violations on design. Damn, is so easy to do something visually different. And the galaxy tab plus, does look like an ipad. I bought a cover to it for people don't pickup on me for having an apple like product as i bought it more for the hardware and android.
What makes me sick is how ridiculous are the others claims Apple does. You read on newspaper: Apple against HTC or Samsung or anyone, after 3 or 4 pages of sensationalism on apple vs google, close vs open and good vs evil you read that the reason is that the keyboard layout changes when you change the language.
I second the point the guy of xda tv made, those companies should start to sue patent offices to allow so lame patents.
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Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)
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Some of the claims about the device looking like an iDevice are ridiculous when someone really thinks about it. Are you going to deviate from a rectangular design? Or change the black border to orange? Maybe no border at all? Or put the front-facing camera in the lower left hand corner?
Good design is one thing. Patenting common sense design is another.
Let's start by saying that entire copyright law is a bunch of crap. about 20% of human genome is patented. that in itself speaks how absurd some of the laws are.
I disagree that they should sue the patent office. it should be closed and recreated in a different form, one that makes sense today.
About the design. there are so many other tablets that look unique, and there are no lawsuits aimed at them.
what samsung did is basically make a photocopy of the device, change the size and a few buttons. while that could be enough changes to satisfy the law requirement it is not innovating at all, but making bad copies of something that is successful.
Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.
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Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.
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By "stopped innovating" you mean their designers got tired of designing the same old moto? Seriously apple should have tried making larger displays for their iPhones since every mobile company (not all) have already adopted the large display concept for their devices.
==>Used to have an iPod touch 3rd gen. but sold it since i felt bored and contained by its limit<===
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)
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Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.
I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...
i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...
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it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...
This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...
This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:
Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!
Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
wiswis said:
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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rorytmeadows said:
I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".