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found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741
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found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741
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Thanks, was looking for more info on this.
Thank you I was slightly confused of the situation and what was happening. This article cleared it up and made me hopeful that Android will still be in the US.
To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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Unfortunately, you're right on. Even so, I'm still rooting for HTC.
Thanks for the article.
I thought if Apple went after HTC they would have to go after companies such as Motorola and Samsung. They would also have to go after Windows Phone 7. So if they did succeed of banning such operating systems from the U.S. there would be Anti-Trust issues too?
z33dev33l said:
To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.
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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.
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but due to the shotty way that android is produced android is teetering on the backs of its OEMs. If they attack the OEMs individually they have a case that while not technically valid is legally secure enough to essentially cross out android for a decent period of time. Im not saying I support the idea but androids infrastructure is a joke and it was pretty clear that this is what it's come to given time.
I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.
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I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.
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Stupid or not, if they were your patents you'd be loving them...with all the sports cars and luxury they would buy you.
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It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.
Apple's own proud could be its demise. I'm an apple and htc fan. I hope they compete in the marketplace and not the courtroom.
I believe apple makes better media devices and htc makes better phones. So I own both.
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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you're right, never thought of it. HTC got google in the back, and apple? nobody, and I think google is much bigger that apple..
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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True, Google is backing HTC because they don't have more resources then Apple.
It's the reason why Google didn't back Samsung, Samsung has WAY more then enough resources then Apple, and they have more patents, so they can easily take on Apple.
I really do hope that Samsung and HTC win their suits, because if they do, that would be a giant ***** YOU* to Apple.
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It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.
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This, a million times this. I've always been against Apple's practices, and this is making it so much worse.
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Android forever!
So, HTC!
Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/
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Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/
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Sure, all to do with Apple and nothing to do with his daughter having leukaemia.
I hope I am able to translate the core essence correctly from German into the good ol' English.
Motorola sued Apple for violating its patents by using UMTS, which they are not licensed for - and won.
Motorola still has to temporarily deposit 100 mio € in order to get the judgment executed. From this point on, Apple is not allowed to sell an Iphone/pad here in Germany until a higher court decides otherwise.
If a thread concerning the same matter already exists, please merge/delete.
/edit: Source - http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldu...ple-im-Patentstreit-mit-Motorola-1393064.html
This MAY also include entire European Union.
Eye-to-eye, tooth-to-tooth... Apple gets its own medicine for suing Samsung for kingdom come all around world...
AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...
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AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...
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Still ashamed of that
But yeah, servellia got it right.
The deposit serves as a guarantee for Apple's demands in case the next court decides otherwise. Apple claimed for a two billion deposit
http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/
Bad karma!
and the ruling in Australia was overturned for Samsung.
and it turns out there was a Chinese company that trademarked Ipad before Apple, the courts are still deciding on that one
Apple is losing some major battles
Apple now gets to taste his own medicine
Looks like the wheels are finally turning.
Really hope to see iPhone's going irrelevant in 2012.
I disliked iPhones before, I hate them since their patent trolling mania. And I am (was) a Mac fan.
This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
Love to hear that
I am from Germany and still ashamed how dump the people are... They buy iPhones just for calling and sending SMS...
@MartyLK
Begone, troll.
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.
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This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of all this lawsuit rubbish. Of course all these carriers and their OS of choice are going to be somewhat similar, but it pushes competition, and in turn gives us, the consumer, a better product.
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This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Yeah, this is true. We need Apple or some other innovative Brilliant bulb type to keep
the tech pushing up past the current and next envelope.
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.
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Let's hope that's right.
We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
It looks like Motorola are going on the attack now:
http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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That is an atrocious analogy and I hope you don't seriously believe what you're saying.
Either way, suing the competition (Apple suing Samsung, etc) in the first place is what denies innovation. Allowing the companies to flourish and make products is what is important, and there are a lot of wrenches in the works which are stopping a lot of this from actually happening.
It's not like any of this stuff from any company is new, anyway. They are all ideas from somewhere else... that is how innovation works. Ideas and inspiration from other things, not shutting each other down.
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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LOL none of this makes sense because Steve Died /respect
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i don't want to live in a world of Apple, even if it was perfect and fit my needs completely. there must be competition, and competition feeds on itself, everybody gets stronger. each manufacturer will come out with something new and patentable, the competition takes that and either copies or improves it, in the end we will have products that everybody copied every aspect and improved it in their own ways. the consumer wins
patent holders try and stifle the competition by overly protecting with litigation and lawsuits and the consumer loses
am i wrong?
Samsung just triggered what Apple had planed for years. They have publicly announced that they patented "the hell out of iOS/iPhone/iPad". Once they invested in that direction, they have to cash in on it, too. Or at least that's what they think.
I never thought much of the company anyway, but with their recent actions and dealing with patent trolls themselves, just made them jump to the evil side of the corporations.
I'm glad to see that Motorola does have some patents that are worth something and that they can use them to defend themselves and other Android manufacturers.
The article is very helpful with all the details in a timeline format.
"The patent litigations we see today in tech industry are classic examples of corporate greed that takes away customer choice and welfare."
Definitely true when courts start banning the sales of devices instead of just ordering the company to pay for it.
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What do you guys think?
I think Apple has pushed this so far that even those who love the Apple ecosystem have gotten tired of it. They are signing their own death warrant by both alienating even their staunch supporters and by stifling the very innovation that has become the hallmark of the mobile tech industry. iOS 5 and 6 literally owe almost every added feature to Android and to a lesser extent WP and R.I.M. It is the excitement of something new that put Apple on top but it is clear that without Jobs at the helm the company has become stagnant and seeks to bleed other companies dry rather than remaining a viable prospect in the marketplace. Tim Cook is clearly not competent for his leadership role if he thinks litigation is a viable long-term solution.
Apple will die soon enough, without Steve they're nothing
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I haven't seen any evidence that most apple users are really bothered by apples anti android tactics. There are still millions longing for the next iphone and saying that apple are great.
Apple won't die off, they still sell incredibly well and have done for the past five years. They are succeeding in most court cases and the only people really bothered are us android users, not people whose views cook and co are bothered about.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've actually seen a number of users on various forums who have gone with other devices when they were about to upgrade their Apple wear. Maybe it's just the fact that those who have strong opinions will be more vocal, but if ten people are moved enough to comment, then ten times that many might be on the same train. Even if it's just a pipe dream I would love if this would all finally backfire on Apple the way that it should.
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I've seen people do the same but they all own android devices too, with apples new patents on everything from touch screens to displaying data on a screen I just can't see them going anywhere but up unfortunately.
They own patents that literally every mobile device can be seen as infringing so they have unlimited court case ammunition if their sales do drop and they need to make more money, they have judges in germany and usa imposing bans on rivals to limit competition and they have enough die hard fans to keep their business doing well even if the rest of the world did stop using their products.
I would love to see apple taught a lesson but the nearest anyone came was a uk judge telling them to apologise to samsung. What happened? Days later apple got an eu ban that overrides uk law.
They have unlimited resources and top lawyers, they also have patents on things every mobile device needs. They can't really lose.
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Well, Samsung just made their newest salvo so we'll see what comes of that. I really does appear that it's going to take a concerted effort from Sammny, Google, maybe a few others to fight this effectively. What amazes me is instances of Nokia and Microsoft supporting Apple in some of its previous complaints.
Why don't Sony sue apple then?
http://www.pcworld.com/article/259842/apple_looked_to_sony_for_iphone_design_inspiration.html
One comment on the PC World article:
"By Gibson295
Wed Jul 25 14:33:21 PDT 2012
LAWL......
Trading my iPhone for a Galaxy nexus.
I won't lie, I'ma miss the battery life and the App store to a degree, A Bit (never rly used more then Netflix). But For Flash, and all the other goods, AND SHOWING APPLE HOW FLIPPEN DISPLEASED I AM WITH THEM RIGHT NOW.
Me doing the right thing.
I excited, ya baby."
Might not be a large percentage, but when loyal users move away there's also the influence they have on other buyers. Apple has built itself on perception and between the increased reporting of Jobs' tyrannical leadership and Apple's increasingly public patent mongering I can at least say this won't do anything to grow Apple's marketshare.
Apple will die gradually..so they are frustrated. Sony & Samsung will rule the world.
Who cares. Apply are dying... No one will even remember then in 5 years time.
Sadly, there are a lot of apple fan-boys who will buy their products for the sake of the brand. Sad but true. But at least this showed that other companies have at least a fighting chance legally with the absurd limitations apple tries to impose on them. When i hard brick my phone i'm gonna slap an iphone sticker on it and sell to those apple die-hards for $$$
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Odds are Apple won't die. Even IBM survived it's almost devised. That said, if they continue in the same way there relevance in the market is is in for a rather sizeable shift.
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
LarsFromMars said:
Like Ghandi said, "An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind."
That's what's gonna happen. Apple and Samsung are going to irreparable damage to each other.
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Lol....you mean Gandhi, dont you?
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all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple is really scared,they didn't see this coming.
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Apple are scared?
Apple are the ones who own the patents that are making their rivals lose in courts around the world, what are they scared of?
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rickywinataa said:
all these patents war is just useless, why can't apple just stop suing samsung and just try to make better products ? the reason apple is trying to ban samsung's products is because it's just too good that apple is scared.
also, some of the patents are ridiculous, rounded edges, square shape, it's a universal shape like for what apple made such patent ?
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and they win this ridiculous case ........
this is getting boring apple just need to lay off they know there beaten-talk of sore losers.
First off, I searched the forums to see if anybody has really discussed what seems to be a one-sided trial and I haven't really found anything. So I ask this question because I am a little confused on the matter...
If you have been following the news lately, you would see that the samsung vs. apple case has begun. Barely two days into it samsung releases evidence of designs that predate the iphone which look kind of similar. Apparently this "key" evidence was rejected by Judge Koh on the basis that it is irrelevant. You can google search the facts about this but here is one link http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2407919,00.asp
Now, I am no legal expert and just taking a quick glance and seeing the evidence and hearing that it was rejected by the judge makes no sense right now. It angered me to think that samsung wasn't given a fair chance to provide evidence that seems clearly relevant to why this whole trial is even taking place. But I figured I should withhold judgment until I learn all the facts because like I said, I am no expert on legal matters and I know there is two sides of the story.
My question is, is there a good reason as to why the judge threw evidence out like this? A lot of people are claiming the judge is being payed by apple but I'm not going to quickly jump to that conclusion. I am wondering if there are any fellow xda people out there that have some experience in law or know a lot about this case and can elaborate as to why this has happened. I want to know if it is unfair to jump to the assumption that apple is somehow pulling strings behind the scenes.
I'd prefer people with a decent amount of knowledge in this case speak up and not people who have read a few articles and think they know all about it.
If it's one thing I'm really starting to learn, it's that all these tech sites seem to have a bias towards them. I see some sites blatantly ignoring and even sometimes lying about android and it's features, usabillity, etc. So I'd rather get advice, experience, opinions from people who at least know what they're talking about.
Update Now Apple is asking for judge to punish samsung for releasing public documents to the press
http://www.computerworld.com/s/arti...amsung_for_releasing_documents_in_iPhone_suit
I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
But yeah, unfortunately I think Samsung is gonna get screwed on this one. Apple seems pretty good at deceiving juries and judges (especially certain ones) into believing that they invented everything in existence. I just hope it doesn't end too badly for Samsung, as their phones are probably the biggest reason why Android has risen up as a viable competitor to iOS (and even raced right past it in market share). The smartphone world needs that competition. I shudder at the thought of a world where the only real choice is getting an iPhone.
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I'm pretty sure that evidence was thrown out because it was entered too late by Samsung (there's a cut-off date after which no new evidence may be entered for consideration, since both parties must get some time to go over it and decide how to deal with it).
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Ahhh, I see. Well that makes sense if it there's a deadline and they didn't make it. I will say that I find it pretty strange that they didn't make the deadline with evidence that seems to be pretty damn important.
There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Worst case scenario... Apple wins. And also gets to enforce the recent touchscreen patents they were awarded. What does this mean for android? That's what I'm wondering. Although, I really hope this doesn't happen.
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There are time limits, thought it can still be allowed if it wasn't discovered quickly enough to be submitted. Regardless, every decision made seems to point to clear bias on the point of Koh and higher judges. I've yet to see anything fair and impartial about what's been going on with any of this from the beginning.
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Yeah... Richard Posner seems to be one of the only sensible ones. Quoting The Guardian:
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At one point, for example, Apple claimed that Google was infringing one of its patents on the process of unlocking a phone by swiping the screen. "Apple's argument that a tap is a zero-length swipe," said Posner, "is silly. It's like saying that a point is a zero-length line."
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Apple is being silly, and this guy seems to be the only judge who gets that.
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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lucastan96 said:
Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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Yeah, if they actually manage to ruin Android (I don't believe they will), I'll go for a Windows Phone a million times before I even look at an iPhone. I never used to actively dislike Apple, I just wasn't very interested in their products, but recently they've really made me think they're a ****ty anti-competitive company that doesn't deserve a cent of my money. I truly hate what they're trying to do to the smartphone market.
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Whatever happens, I will hate Apple more than ever. And, if I get a second choice, I will rather get a Windows Phone than an iPhone.
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I've kind of feel the same. I never really liked apple, although I know they make good products. After lots of research and hands on experience, I've realized iOS sucks compared to android. All it has is smoothness. Android has far more features and is simpler to use in my opinion. What apple really is good at is hype. After all these lawsuits with them suing everybody for what seems like ridiculous things, it's making me really hate the company now.
Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Free iPhones, iPads and Macbooks for the judges, it seems!
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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Yup...maybe they bribed the judges with free new Apple products
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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I wonder why Samsung doesn't try the same thing, if I got some of those new Galaxy products for free I would want Samsung to win.
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Because Samsung has some respect which Apple dont have. Thats why Apple is playing such cheap games on Samsung.
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I should point out, in the interests of fairness, that despite many of our suspicions regarding bribery or illicit deals there has never been the slightest evidence apple have bought legal rulings by anything other than legitimate and transparent means.
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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Am i the only one that thinks that the judges are acting like that because apple is considered "All american and genuine" company to them and Samsung is an invading country that want to knock off the "GREAT" american company?
From my experience there are people that are dumb enough to act like that....
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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This thought has passed through my mind to be honest
However I don't think any of this is as simple as "Apple is American" or "bribery".
It's a broken patent system that Apple is using to try and prolong the inevitable - which is Android taking over the majority of the market for what could be decades. Apple is within their rights to attempt to use their patent portfolio to slow down the competition. This is not debatable. They are using legal means and the current system to attempt to enforce their dominance since they can no longer maintain it with product alone.
Although I am a Samsung fan and a huge supporter of Linux, Android, Google, etc. I cannot get past the picture of the Galaxy SII next to the iPhone. Side by side, it does look like they ripped them off. That is where I believe Samsung screwed up. It's not the functionality/UI patents that are troubling to me, it's the fact they made it look like the iPhone. It's almost undeniable. They encroached on brand recognition, to the point that you can't deny they look very similar. Too similar.
In my opinion, that will be the cause of Samsung's defeat. Everyone says "you can't patent rectangles or the color spectrum". But you can't rip off someone's design either. And they did, pretty plainly IMO. Why do you think there are no Black GSIII's? Samsung knows what they did, and they didn't want to risk it with their new flagship.
As far as software patents, Apply can kiss my ass. But they have the right for their product to look unique. No matter who designed something similar back in the day. No one sees a black, rectangular phone with a huge slab of glass and says "hey, that's that Sony phone prototype!". But any average person, even an elderly person who doesn't much follow tech, definitely recognize an iPhone. Unless of course, it's next to a black Galaxy SII.
Just my two cents.
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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Samsung didn't copy the iphone though, they actually had iphone like designs the year before iphone was made public.
Are you saying that because apple used that design in public first, even though samsung had a very similar one earlier, that apple should be only one able to have anything similar "no matter who designed something similar back in the day"?
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It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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If worse comes to worst you know we'll just all switch to buying Chinese android devices. The Chinese system not only ignores Apple's chicanery, but has ruled in favor of several plaintiffs against Apple and allows the phones that truly are copies to be sold freely. I don't in any way foresee it coming to that but it will be a long, long time before Apple ever sees dollar one of my money and I will do whatever I can to keep an Android device in my hands.
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ingenious247 said:
It's the phone itself in combination with the dock, square icons, general "appearance" I'm taking about. I'm sorry but it's really not debatable. It looks like a foreign clone of an iPhone.
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You're not getting this. Samsung has shown (to the best of my knowledge the evidence that was tossed by Judge Koh, was legit from Samsung), that they had prior art to this style of design, the apps, the home button, the rounded corners, well before Apple ever went public with the iPhone.
damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".