found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741
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found it on bbc. Some interesting facts regarding HTC's plan of attack. I thought it will be good to share with all of you:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-14238741
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Thanks, was looking for more info on this.
Thank you I was slightly confused of the situation and what was happening. This article cleared it up and made me hopeful that Android will still be in the US.
To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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Unfortunately, you're right on. Even so, I'm still rooting for HTC.
Thanks for the article.
I thought if Apple went after HTC they would have to go after companies such as Motorola and Samsung. They would also have to go after Windows Phone 7. So if they did succeed of banning such operating systems from the U.S. there would be Anti-Trust issues too?
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To assume HTC has more guns in their arsenal than apple is comical, let it go back and forth in a patent war and there will be a clear winner. They really should've attempted to come to an out of court agreement or found a work-around.
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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.
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To assume this is Apple vs HTC is even more comical. This is Apple vs ANDROID and any manufacturer that has Android on their hardware. If HTC doesn't make a stand, Morola is next and Samsung is already being sued luckily if they weren't already in bed with Apple they'd be facing banishment from America as well.
Everyone who likes to make choices should be rooting for HTC. As the article says. I can't think of one person EVER who has walked into a store looking to purchase an Iphone and walked out with an Android phone. But that's the bottom line with what Apple was claiming at the ITC. Which is garbage. There are more Android users than iPhone users and that is a problem for Apple.
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but due to the shotty way that android is produced android is teetering on the backs of its OEMs. If they attack the OEMs individually they have a case that while not technically valid is legally secure enough to essentially cross out android for a decent period of time. Im not saying I support the idea but androids infrastructure is a joke and it was pretty clear that this is what it's come to given time.
I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.
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I like variety! Crapple Monopoly! Apple's patents are so stupid, like finger gestures and pinch to zoom. Josh from Engadget said how useless the HTC Evo was with the front camera till the iphone4 came out with one. Then the iphone was innovative.
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Stupid or not, if they were your patents you'd be loving them...with all the sports cars and luxury they would buy you.
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It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.
Apple's own proud could be its demise. I'm an apple and htc fan. I hope they compete in the marketplace and not the courtroom.
I believe apple makes better media devices and htc makes better phones. So I own both.
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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you're right, never thought of it. HTC got google in the back, and apple? nobody, and I think google is much bigger that apple..
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To those people talking about the legal defenses of apple vs HTC, yes there's no question that apple has more resources. But it also reminds me of Eric Schmidt of Google saying that they would "make sure" that HTC wins. With HTC having Google's backing, it will be interesting to see what happens. It really does seem that lately, instead of being competitive in the market, apple has been choosing to go after their competitors in the courtroom. There's no denying that they've lost market share due to android's explosive growth, and it seems like they're uneasy.
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True, Google is backing HTC because they don't have more resources then Apple.
It's the reason why Google didn't back Samsung, Samsung has WAY more then enough resources then Apple, and they have more patents, so they can easily take on Apple.
I really do hope that Samsung and HTC win their suits, because if they do, that would be a giant ***** YOU* to Apple.
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It's nice to see what Apple resorts to when they have less customers using their phones. I have never been a supporter of Apple, and none of these lawsuits will help to change that.
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This, a million times this. I've always been against Apple's practices, and this is making it so much worse.
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Android forever!
So, HTC!
Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/
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Looks like the Apple pressure might be too high for some. I know Apple is fearsome, though. Don't blame anyone not wanting to face them.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/07/25/htc-exec-leaves-company-for-personal-reasons/
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Sure, all to do with Apple and nothing to do with his daughter having leukaemia.
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And the judge complies and orders samsung to release them.
http://www.tuaw.com/2011/05/24/appl...devices?icid=sphere_blogsmith_inpage_engadget
"San Jose Judge Lucy Koh is forcing Samsung to hand over new and unreleased mobile devices to its rival, Apple. Apple's lawyers will get a chance to look at these devices as part of its infringement case against Samsung. In this complaint, Apple is accusing Samsung of violating a variety of utility patents, design patents and trade dress registrations for its suite of iOS devices.
The phones and tablets requested by Apple include the Samsung Galaxy S2, Galaxy Tab 8.9, Galaxy Tab 10.1, Infuse 4G and Droid Charge. Apple will be looking closely at the packaging and the TouchWiz UI used by the Korean manufacturer to see how closely it mimics Apple's iPhone, iPad and iPod touch. Specifically, Apple is looking for elements that will confuse people into thinking the Samsung devices are the same as the iPhone.
In response to Apple's complaint, Samsung countersued Apple for patent infringement in Korea, Japan and Germany. Both cases are slowly making their way through the legal system in each of these countries."
this is a huge conflict of interest to me, how can another phone competitor be allowed access to prototype phones with the newest and best secrets/ideas to be released by a fellow phone maker/competitor?
what a joke.
if apple actually took the time to open the iphone to more carriers, maybe make a entire line of iphones like a droid line or whatever, with different carriers, even a prepaid they would be way better suited and have more market share. instead of wasting time on endless litigation and court cases.
anyone who buys apple is a moron.
i want to know, is apple going to hand over a prototype iphone 5 for samsung to "check" for mimicking?
or are we just gonna have to find one near a urinal at a local bar again?
I agree! That is just ridiculous. I don't see how they can do that. Your going to take something that a company puts a lot of R&D into and make them give it to their competition. That should be a crime itself!
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I agree! That is just ridiculous. I don't see how they can do that. Your going to take something that a company puts a lot of R&D into and make them give it to their competition. That should be a crime itself!
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i wish more ppl would post on this story.
its the most absurd thing i have ever heard...
To be fair, Apple did copyright the designs and touchwiz and even the original Galaxy S looks a lot like Apple's designs. People wouldn't make a big deal out of this if it wasn't Apple. Also, this topic was made already.
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i wish more ppl would post on this story.
its the most absurd thing i have ever heard...
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Agreed, this is stupid at face value, although the models they have to hand over are either released or going to be released imminently. However I had a little look around and this article from cnet says that only the Apple legal team will be allowed to see the devices (no-one from Apple or any of their in-house lawyers can). So as long as their legal team aren't crooks and mysteriously start acquiring complementary iWhatevers I'm sure Samsung will be fine
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To be fair, Apple did copyright the designs and touchwiz and even the original Galaxy S looks a lot like Apple's designs. People wouldn't make a big deal out of this if it wasn't Apple. Also, this topic was made already.
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it may look like it, but its not iOs what so ever.
and wheres the thread?
i searched and did not find it.
and i would of posted this if it was any other phone maker.
apple sues everyone and anyone over ANYTHING.
they think they own everything related to smart phones, i run a phone with touchwiz, ive had iphones they are NOT even close to being the same.
just because they share tile looks doesnt mean they "stole" the ugly idea from apple.
apple is a joke, they want every phone maker to not be innovative and make things, they want the iphone to have every new thing that comes to market while every other phone be dirt.
Apple trademarked the design and ui of ios, and touchwiz is very similar to it. It's not that it's Ios(which is clearly isn't), but it's using designs close to Ios such as the app drawer.
Here's the thread too, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094205
Apple is also a business, give me a business that doesn't sue anyone over anything.
They don't think they own everything, they trademark designs for them to use, and for others who've they given permission to use. They obviously look close enough for a judge to take this case. What's the point of trademarking something if others are going to use a design close enough to it? They trademark to protect their designs. Apple isn't suing HTC, Motorola, or LG. Also, I wasn't saying you wouldn't. I'm only saying you would or other people would because it involves Apple demanding from another company. If it were Samsung, HTC, Motorola, or LG demanding from another company people wouldn't care, or hell even if Apple didn't demand anything from the above mentioned companies.
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Apple trademarked the design and ui of ios, and touchwiz is very similar to it. It's not that it's Ios(which is clearly isn't), but it's using designs close to Ios such as the app drawer.
Here's the thread too, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1094205
Apple is also a business, give me a business that doesn't sue anyone over anything.
They don't think they own everything, they trademark designs for them to use, and for others who've they given permission to use. They obviously look close enough for a judge to take this case. Apple isn't suing HTC, Motorola, or LG.
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thanks for the link.
apple has been sending the lawyers on a frenzy lately, i think they are upset that everyone doesnt have a iphone.
i think they are more "sue" happy then many other companies. Microsoft could be up there with them.
i guess we will see how it fans out, but i think the phone thing should go both ways, apple should have to give up the newest iphone as well./
Any company would do it. That's why companies hire lawyers, to sue and to counter sue and defend. They're protecting their product, it's that simple. Apple doesn't need to give them anything either, that's not how this case works. Samsung doesn't have designs that they've trademarked that Apple is using, plus they're asking for prototypes, not new devices.
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Any company would do it. That's why companies hire lawyers, to sue and to counter sue and defend. They're protecting their product, it's that simple. Apple doesn't need to give them anything either, that's not how this case works. Samsung doesn't have designs that they've trademarked that Apple is using, plus they're asking for prototypes, not new devices.
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Most of the devices they listed are out now.
Its clear apple is trigger happy with the suing finger..
they do not want anyone to compete with them, if they can take aim at anything, then they will.
More so then ANY other company.
They are defending a product which they want to be the only product people buy. samsung is putting a dent into them. if they could sue htc, moto and so on THEY WOULD. they hate the fact that they have competition.
I know that Samsung will triumph over the Apple juggernaut.
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Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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+1 they are the biggest iphonies around!
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I wouldn't put anything past Apple they are school yard bullies !!
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Most of the devices they listed are out now.
Its clear apple is trigger happy with the suing finger..
they do not want anyone to compete with them, if they can take aim at anything, then they will.
More so then ANY other company.
They are defending a product which they want to be the only product people buy. samsung is putting a dent into them. if they could sue htc, moto and so on THEY WOULD. they hate the fact that they have competition.
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Any company is, I can easily name a few like Sony(Geohot), movie studios(So much to the point they leak their movies and place trojans in them), and easy to find more. Also, Apple did not ask for finished products, they asked for prototypes. They are defending a product that they trademarked, any company would do it easily. That's why they trademark it. It maybe to shut down competition, but Apple isn't the only one who does that and that's why companies trademark designs, and technologies.
Apple just doesn't have the guts to compete directly with google. The company is desperate for lost market share
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Google doesn't make the phones, so it's hard to compete against them word for word to say.
My problem with a lot of people I've noticed, they're only looking at it from one side. I'm not looking at it as Apple Vs Samsung. I'm looking at a company defending their product. Wouldn't you be mad if someone was using your designs without your permission and getting any type of revenue from it? I like both Apple and Google. I look at both sides of it and not just one. I don't agree with everything Apple has done, but at the same time I don't agree with what Samsung has done. People are acting like Samsung hasn't done anything wrong, when this is not the truth at all. Behold, Moment, I can easily name more that they broke support for. Even if you still have an old 2g and need support for it, you can take it to an Apple store and they'll figure out the problem, and offer a fix, or an upgrade. Hell, for the Moment's issues I had to fight with Sprint just to get a discount on an early upgrade.
I thnk iz just greed do it as samsung released an earlier design look up the dates in wiki i forgot wat phone was it. Comes to mind lg ws before iphones 2007 shaped phone
if there is 5 similarities, samsung will get any punishment from US law
SuperDeform said:
I thnk iz just greed do it as samsung released an earlier design look up the dates in wiki i forgot wat phone was it. Comes to mind lg ws before iphones 2007 shaped phone
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But they didn't trademark the designs at all.
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But they didn't trademark the designs at all.
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Mmmmm that really sux
vbetts said:
Any company is, I can easily name a few like Sony(Geohot), movie studios(So much to the point they leak their movies and place trojans in them), and easy to find more. Also, Apple did not ask for finished products, they asked for prototypes. They are defending a product that they trademarked, any company would do it easily. That's why they trademark it. It maybe to shut down competition, but Apple isn't the only one who does that and that's why companies trademark designs, and technologies.
Google doesn't make the phones, so it's hard to compete against them word for word to say.
My problem with a lot of people I've noticed, they're only looking at it from one side. I'm not looking at it as Apple Vs Samsung. I'm looking at a company defending their product. Wouldn't you be mad if someone was using your designs without your permission and getting any type of revenue from it? I like both Apple and Google. I look at both sides of it and not just one. I don't agree with everything Apple has done, but at the same time I don't agree with what Samsung has done. People are acting like Samsung hasn't done anything wrong, when this is not the truth at all. Behold, Moment, I can easily name more that they broke support for. Even if you still have an old 2g and need support for it, you can take it to an Apple store and they'll figure out the problem, and offer a fix, or an upgrade. Hell, for the Moment's issues I had to fight with Sprint just to get a discount on an early upgrade.
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Agree!
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It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
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"All Things D is reporting that the two patents in question are 5,946,647 and 6,343,263, the former of which is said to be "fundamental to Android."
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but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it
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Isn't the Xoom some half-finished product, both software and hardware-wise?
Other than that, I fully agree with your post - Apple is afraid. Very afraid. They're not the only ones though, Microsoft is as well. That's why they're both resorting to patent litigation. While at the same time Apple is totally copying Android's notification dropdown. Hypocrisy at it's best.
The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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Yes, we're talking out of fear, it's totally not about calling companies out on their crap. Sure. LOL
Totally agree bother! Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for forcing there software into pcs? Someone got paid off for win this last one with HTC. I think its totally against our rights to hold back technology for the gain of one. Plus the iphone is old school. Its time to move on to better pastures Mr jobs! Remember how technology was for apple before the iphone came out or the ipod? Apple sucked the big one! I think there running scared cause android is its competition! to bad,we the people have a right to choose!
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orkillakilla said:
It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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Hmm... another pointless post. Lost count on the number now...
If you don't want to add to the discussion, or don't like the fact that there are many of these threads, simply don't read it.
Has far as the Xoom goes, I've only read good things about it, and that it's at least on the same level as the iPad. I haven't played around on one though, so I can't say for sure.
It seems Microsoft and Apple, being the "old dogs" in the computer/tech/smartphone world, have their tails between their legs, acting like a chihuahua showing it's teeth at a pit bull...
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something about dogs
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
I have read some about the Oracle case, but I haven't really read all about it yet. I'll definitely give that a look.
Also, I would like to thank you for making a productive post that isn't negative, and that actually adds to this discussion.
Well it's not really a surprise here. Every software dev does this kind of thing. They ask patents on certain elements that they know would slow down or make another product less appealing.
Otherwise spending thousands of dollars on patents would be kinda pointless.
And like MS did and does it sues those that so called took there patent without asking or paying. I don't see anything new here. Sure it's again the big companies Apple vs Android but heck those are the 2 biggest players for home usage.
The point of all these lawsuits is:
Try and get money from competition even banning devices
Showcase all features you have but others can't get
Advertise
And for the other company sympathy. Besides ads even if they are bad are always good for sales
And a good lawyer stretches it till it either expires or till they invent something better.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought S3 recently and Apple has been found infringing on S3 patents. This stupid game works both ways. So there may not be a one-way settlement, but instead a cross-licensing deal.
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
Also, it begins, the backlash because of this software patent stupidity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents <- It's app developers for now, but I'm really, really waiting for the day when hardware makers simply pull out of the US market. Let the US companies sue each other into oblivion, while the saner parts of the world flourish in actually moving things forward.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought out the rest of S3 and apple infringed them so who knows, would most likely be other Android manufactures that cop it..
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/7/4/apple-found-guilty-s3-patent-infringement/
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@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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True but I would say wanting rather than getting at the time they were expensive, still are in comparison. All Android sales are not sales lost to Apple as I alluded to earlier.
Apple are probably more bothered about all the taglines the iworshipers love to hear that they can no longer use..
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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I remember going to the Apple store when the iPhone came out to try it. I couldn't type with my sausage thumbs. So I was banned to sliders and flippers until the newer 4.3 Android phones. And now Apple winning against HTC... WTF. Go to hell Apple. I'd rather reactivate my VX8300 than buy a iTurd.
I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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Yes, Apple opened the doors to the modern smartphone, but if it wasn't them, someone else would have.
As for Apple as a company, the ONLY thing they did right was the iPhone/pod/pad. Their computers were crappy as hell (WERE). They have done better with computers recently, though not for the price in my opinion. I don't necessarily hate apple, I just think most if their products are way too expensive for my taste (mainly their computers).
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I hope I am able to translate the core essence correctly from German into the good ol' English.
Motorola sued Apple for violating its patents by using UMTS, which they are not licensed for - and won.
Motorola still has to temporarily deposit 100 mio € in order to get the judgment executed. From this point on, Apple is not allowed to sell an Iphone/pad here in Germany until a higher court decides otherwise.
If a thread concerning the same matter already exists, please merge/delete.
/edit: Source - http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldu...ple-im-Patentstreit-mit-Motorola-1393064.html
This MAY also include entire European Union.
Eye-to-eye, tooth-to-tooth... Apple gets its own medicine for suing Samsung for kingdom come all around world...
AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...
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AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...
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Still ashamed of that
But yeah, servellia got it right.
The deposit serves as a guarantee for Apple's demands in case the next court decides otherwise. Apple claimed for a two billion deposit
http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/
Bad karma!
and the ruling in Australia was overturned for Samsung.
and it turns out there was a Chinese company that trademarked Ipad before Apple, the courts are still deciding on that one
Apple is losing some major battles
Apple now gets to taste his own medicine
Looks like the wheels are finally turning.
Really hope to see iPhone's going irrelevant in 2012.
I disliked iPhones before, I hate them since their patent trolling mania. And I am (was) a Mac fan.
This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
Love to hear that
I am from Germany and still ashamed how dump the people are... They buy iPhones just for calling and sending SMS...
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.
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This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of all this lawsuit rubbish. Of course all these carriers and their OS of choice are going to be somewhat similar, but it pushes competition, and in turn gives us, the consumer, a better product.
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This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Yeah, this is true. We need Apple or some other innovative Brilliant bulb type to keep
the tech pushing up past the current and next envelope.
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.
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Let's hope that's right.
We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
It looks like Motorola are going on the attack now:
http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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That is an atrocious analogy and I hope you don't seriously believe what you're saying.
Either way, suing the competition (Apple suing Samsung, etc) in the first place is what denies innovation. Allowing the companies to flourish and make products is what is important, and there are a lot of wrenches in the works which are stopping a lot of this from actually happening.
It's not like any of this stuff from any company is new, anyway. They are all ideas from somewhere else... that is how innovation works. Ideas and inspiration from other things, not shutting each other down.
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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LOL none of this makes sense because Steve Died /respect
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i don't want to live in a world of Apple, even if it was perfect and fit my needs completely. there must be competition, and competition feeds on itself, everybody gets stronger. each manufacturer will come out with something new and patentable, the competition takes that and either copies or improves it, in the end we will have products that everybody copied every aspect and improved it in their own ways. the consumer wins
patent holders try and stifle the competition by overly protecting with litigation and lawsuits and the consumer loses
am i wrong?
Samsung just triggered what Apple had planed for years. They have publicly announced that they patented "the hell out of iOS/iPhone/iPad". Once they invested in that direction, they have to cash in on it, too. Or at least that's what they think.
I never thought much of the company anyway, but with their recent actions and dealing with patent trolls themselves, just made them jump to the evil side of the corporations.
I'm glad to see that Motorola does have some patents that are worth something and that they can use them to defend themselves and other Android manufacturers.
Well, sadly, in another thread regarding the shipment delays I made the poor mistake of defending Apple and claiming the shipments being held by the ITC was likely a routine screening and not being held up because of Apple.
Turns out, I was wrong. Apple has filed a formal grievance with the US ITC today saying that HTC hasn't actually resolved the software issues and should meet as an emergency and re-enact the ban blocking imports of HTC phones.
http://www.phonescoop.com/articles/article.php?a=10560
This is just more over-aggressive bull**** lawsuits for no reason. HTC is in no position to even directly compete against Apple in the market, and ultimately is doing some of the most unique software and hardware design in the industry.
At what point does this whole mobile lawsuit nonsense come to a boiling point?
Also, as a point of full disclosure, and because I don't really want to ***** about Apple being the worst company on earth, I do own use and love my iPad, Macbook Air, and iMac. I do own an iPhone 4S but as of recently it sits off in a drawer while I use my HOX.
This thread was not started with the intention of people piling in to say how Apple is terrible, or builds ****ty products, but rather have a conversation about the challenges of the mobile industry moving forward. As each company tries to innovate and release compelling products the likelihood of overlapping features and functionality is inevitable. How does the industry encourage innovate without trampling intellectual property rights? (or in other words, **** Software Patents)
Apple is just pissed the one x is better than the iPhone
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This is so ridiculous...
What gets me is how many of these patent disputes are actually FRAND (fair use) issues.
I'm waiting for some judge to put down his iPhone and see things clearly. Patent law is out of control and companies are only using it to maintain a monopoly or remain profitable to their stockholders when their product is actually no longer inovative and has lost market share (see also TiVo)
Apple sees a threat in Android a threat that will screw the company I hate apple but now its the devil to me .
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But this is bs! Why would they do that, apple needs competition, its basic business 101. Does apple think since I can't get a htc one phone imma get me some ios?? Hell no and im sure like me, that's just gonna piss others off and make it a point NOT to buy any apple products.
Maybe a boycott of apple is in order.
Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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They should start focusing on a new iOS or putting something extraordinary in the iPhone 5 instead of law suites. Hop off android. Power users choose android and the rest use iOS their lawsuits won't convert anybody. They're always suing somebody haha. Samsung, HTC, might as well sue Google and the rest of the world.
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This has little to do with rightfully protecting intellectual property, and everything to do with patent trolling and using the law to attack competitors.
Android has gobbled up market share due to the fact that manufacturer are willing to give people variety and choices. Meanwhile, Apple is trying to lock everyone into one device form factor.
This also more represents Apple's failure to innovate, rather than the opposite. The iPhone has hardly changed its looks after 5 iterations. Aside from different backing material, it has looked almost exactly the same. And few internal hardware innovations as well. Aside from moving to a better screen, and a better camera, the hardware has only had incremental improvements (CPU and memory) over its entire lifespan.
The one form factor business model has benefited them in many ways, but we've come to a point where people now want bigger screens on their smartphones. Apple has simply run out of new ideas in the present form factor. Their biggest recent innovation. . . Siri (chuckle). They are stuck and they know it. If they move to a larger iPhone (and also a smaller iPad, or "iPad Mini" as its rumored) they begin to experience some of the OS fragmentation that they have criticized Android for so many times in the past.
I don't mean to complain about Apple so much, or sound like a hater. They make some nice devices, and have contributed some nice interface design to the smartphone world (earlier in the iPhones history). But its clear that they have stopped innovating. Instead of coming up with new ideas, they have chosen to use petty methods of attacking their competitors.
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Man anyone see the original apple commercial for the first imac from the 70's or whatever? Oh the irony
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
I really tend to agree. While no one can argue that iOS and the iPhone were amazing innovations, and helped spur the mobile industry as it stands now, iOS has really stagnated on innovate.
There haven't been amazing new features / innovations to the platform in awhile and it seems Apple cares more about others not doing what they have done in the past then focus on what they can do in the future.
I think everyday there are more examples of software design that should be open and licensed rather than closed IP. Things like "pull to refresh" and "pinch to zoom" are functionalities that exist in natural user interface and simple should be able to freely licensed to all software developers.
If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
I just feel like software patents are going to be increasingly difficult to develop and protect and that these major players in the market need to understand there will be functionality overlaps. As such I want to see this bull**** end and cross-licensing begin.
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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That is rational. Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP. They have so much cash that they don't know what to do with it and there is no sign of their revenue stream stopping any time soon, so they don't need the money. This is just a pissing match at this point. Apple's intention is total "Thermo-Nuclear-War" annihilation of Android. Things might start to get a bit different now that Steve Jobs is not around...but perhaps it is too soon. Not that I agree with Apple.
I just think patent reform is needed. Competition is good though. In some ways I think Apple has helped HTC. Now HTC has notoriety. Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband. This HTC One X is now notorious. So even though sales were stopped because of customs I think more people now know what HTC is and that it represents a credible threat to Apple. People will want what they are told that they can't have....human nature.
This is why i got away from apple products not going to support their lawsuits... im tired of hearing this stuff but of course its not going to stop...
Instead of innovating they use wide spread patents to squash competition.
It's not just a problem in the phone industry, patents are way too wide sweeping, long lasting, and powerful these days. Try and remember patent law was created to promote innovation not crush it.
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Everyone I've recently showed my One X to asks to hold it, and then while holding it they are wowed and act as if they are handling a rare illegal piece of contraband.
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I have experienced this too and with my old Samsung Captivate as well. When people see an Android phone they are wowed by it and by the ability to make it what YOU want. When they see an iPhone, it's just another iPhone, there's nothing special anymore, nothing "magical." I used to get excited over iPhone announcements back in the days where I was a poor high school student yearning to have a smartphone. Now, howveer, I find the annoucements boring because really, there's nothing to be excited about anymore.
Apple where we invented the lawsuit
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If Apple approached HTC and simply said pay $X dollars per device to have open cross licensing with Apple's software licenses this whole bull**** could be put to bed in a legal manor.
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Apple has no interest in negotiating nor being rational. They are the highest valued company in the world. They have no intention of licensing IP.
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Well, it looks like that's exactly what happened, and HTC refused to license.
"Apple reportedly asked for $5 - $15 per device to settle Android patent dispute" (I'm not 'allowed' to post my source link, but if you google that headline, you should find it on the Dow Jones website. Article is dated May 5th, 2012.)
So HTC just went on their merry way and knowingly infringed on the patent. If they didn't see this coming, then they're idiots.
That said, I LOVE this damn phone! I see why Apple might have a little envy smeared on their faces!
Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Does anybody know what exactly it is they are claiming infringes on their patent still? I thought this was resolved with the adding of HTC Linkify Dispatcher. I've used the AT&T ROMS and I've seen how annoying this has made the UI compared to the Rogers version, what more do they want?
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Money plain and simple friggin monopoly
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It was the first Mac (or Macintosh back then) not iMac and the year was 1984. It played during the Superbowl. The irony is that 1984 (spelled out) is a book by George Orwell which was published in 1949 that dealt with a society under total government control. Apple's claim during the Macintosh commercial was that they were going to show the world how 1984 (the year) was not going to be like 1984 (the book). Apple has become the antithesis of what it proclaimed back in 1984.
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Thanks for clearing up my ignorance, that's totally what I meant to say, (reference to the book by G.O.), and the point I was trying to make, lol.
I don't totally hate on apple my MacBook pro still best computer I have, and its almost 4yo, and still kicks ass media wise. But this lawsuit thing is just out of control.
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.
I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.
I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?
Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?
Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors
Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.
The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.
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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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rorytmeadows said:
I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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Sompom said:
What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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Ohgami_Ichiro said:
The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.
I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.
A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".