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It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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"All Things D is reporting that the two patents in question are 5,946,647 and 6,343,263, the former of which is said to be "fundamental to Android."
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orkillakilla said:
but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it
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Isn't the Xoom some half-finished product, both software and hardware-wise?
Other than that, I fully agree with your post - Apple is afraid. Very afraid. They're not the only ones though, Microsoft is as well. That's why they're both resorting to patent litigation. While at the same time Apple is totally copying Android's notification dropdown. Hypocrisy at it's best.

The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.

MartyLK said:
The ones who are really afraid? The ones who keep talkin' smack about Apple and MS. Otherwise they would sit back and watch it.
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Yes, we're talking out of fear, it's totally not about calling companies out on their crap. Sure. LOL

Totally agree bother! Didn't Microsoft get in trouble for forcing there software into pcs? Someone got paid off for win this last one with HTC. I think its totally against our rights to hold back technology for the gain of one. Plus the iphone is old school. Its time to move on to better pastures Mr jobs! Remember how technology was for apple before the iphone came out or the ipod? Apple sucked the big one! I think there running scared cause android is its competition! to bad,we the people have a right to choose!
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orkillakilla said:
It seems mister Steve Jobs is very scared of Android, as I'm sure your all aware.
http://m.engadget.com/default/artic...es-patents-appea/&category=classic&postPage=1
Apple continues to target the major Android handset manufacturers. Unfortunately it seems HTC lost its battle with Steve for now, with Samsung also under fire.
Does Apple really think they can slow down Android enough to keep its precious iPhone on top? Not likely. I don't think showing fear is good for the company.
Apple continues to rely on its brand name's reputation, instead of doing something truely innovative (the iPhone was innovative... WAS. The iPad was innovative as well, but lets just say the Xoom beats the crap out of it). Now the iPhone is small screened and slow (network and CPU wise) compaired to any high-end Android device.
Apple is only buying time. Sooner or later, the iPhone fad will come to an end, much like Facebooks current plight.
Feel free to give your input.
*NOTICE* These are my personal opinion. If you like the iPhone or Apple for that matter, then more power to you. Apple makes good products, expensive as they are. Flaming is not necessary.
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hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now

jags_the1 said:
hmm another android vs apple thread...hmm.. lost count on the numbers now
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Hmm... another pointless post. Lost count on the number now...
If you don't want to add to the discussion, or don't like the fact that there are many of these threads, simply don't read it.
Has far as the Xoom goes, I've only read good things about it, and that it's at least on the same level as the iPad. I haven't played around on one though, so I can't say for sure.
It seems Microsoft and Apple, being the "old dogs" in the computer/tech/smartphone world, have their tails between their legs, acting like a chihuahua showing it's teeth at a pit bull...

orkillakilla said:
something about dogs
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I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.

Tone_ said:
I don't think its Apple with the problems.. check out some snippets from the link below:
http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/2011/07/itc-judge-finds-htc-in-infringement-of.html
ITC judge finds HTC in infringement of two Apple patents
Google's Android mobile operating system is in serious trouble:
Patents appear to be at the core of Android and are likely infringed by all Android devices
I have looked at those patents before and they appear to be very fundamental. They are very likely to be infringed by code that is at the core of Android.
This could in a worst-case scenario result in an import ban against many or even all Android-based HTC products in the U.S. market.
In a slightly less negative scenario, HTC might have to remove certain functionality from its products, and that could result in a significant or even substantial degradation of the quality of those devices.
Since those patents don't appear to relate to HTC's own extensions of Android but to Android itself, they may affect all of the other makers of Android-based devices. Apple could soon be in a strong position to obtain import bans against dozens of device makers.
Apple unlikely to grant a license -- but might make damages claims
Android is also under fire in dozens of federal lawsuits. By my count, there are 49 Android-related infringement suits (federal and ITC). A very prominent one is Oracle's lawsuit against Google, and the judge presiding over that case has raised very serious questions about the possibility of Google's intentional infringement of Java-related intellectual property.
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As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
I have read some about the Oracle case, but I haven't really read all about it yet. I'll definitely give that a look.
Also, I would like to thank you for making a productive post that isn't negative, and that actually adds to this discussion.

Well it's not really a surprise here. Every software dev does this kind of thing. They ask patents on certain elements that they know would slow down or make another product less appealing.
Otherwise spending thousands of dollars on patents would be kinda pointless.
And like MS did and does it sues those that so called took there patent without asking or paying. I don't see anything new here. Sure it's again the big companies Apple vs Android but heck those are the 2 biggest players for home usage.
The point of all these lawsuits is:
Try and get money from competition even banning devices
Showcase all features you have but others can't get
Advertise
And for the other company sympathy. Besides ads even if they are bad are always good for sales
And a good lawyer stretches it till it either expires or till they invent something better.

orkillakilla said:
As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought S3 recently and Apple has been found infringing on S3 patents. This stupid game works both ways. So there may not be a one-way settlement, but instead a cross-licensing deal.
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
Also, it begins, the backlash because of this software patent stupidity: http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/appsblog/2011/jul/15/app-developers-withdraw-us-patents <- It's app developers for now, but I'm really, really waiting for the day when hardware makers simply pull out of the US market. Let the US companies sue each other into oblivion, while the saner parts of the world flourish in actually moving things forward.

orkillakilla said:
As far as HTC goes, they are likely to settle with Apple, paying them god knows how much money, if Apple even accepts an offer like that.
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HTC bought out the rest of S3 and apple infringed them so who knows, would most likely be other Android manufactures that cop it..
http://www.thinq.co.uk/2011/7/4/apple-found-guilty-s3-patent-infringement/

Gusar321 said:
@Tone_: Apple resorting to patent litigation is because it is them with a problem. Android's growth is much faster than iOS's. And Apple doesn't like that.
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They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.

Tone_ said:
They say there is no smoke without fire also a lot of people buying Android probably could not afford or do not want iphones so Apple probably aren't that worried as its a sale they would not have made.
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That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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orkillakilla said:
That's not necessarly true. Before Android, if you wanted a smart phone, you either got a WMP, crapberry, or an iPhone. Most people probably wouldn't want a windows phone. Blackberries were good, but moslty for business people. That leaves iPhone. If Android weren't in the picture, you can bet a lot of people would be getting iPhones.
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True but I would say wanting rather than getting at the time they were expensive, still are in comparison. All Android sales are not sales lost to Apple as I alluded to earlier.
Apple are probably more bothered about all the taglines the iworshipers love to hear that they can no longer use..

Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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Jmatch said:
Isn't another selling point of Android the screen size of some devices? I mean alot of people can't type or anything on the iPhones tiny screen
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I remember going to the Apple store when the iPhone came out to try it. I couldn't type with my sausage thumbs. So I was banned to sliders and flippers until the newer 4.3 Android phones. And now Apple winning against HTC... WTF. Go to hell Apple. I'd rather reactivate my VX8300 than buy a iTurd.

I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.

MartyLK said:
I remember when the iPhone first came out. The only smartphones we had were low-quality, low-tech devices with resistive, un-finger friendly LCDs. The best we had was Treos or other stuff. There were no smartphones with all the tech the iPhone employed at that time. When the iPhone came out, it included all that futuristic tech we all dreamed of but could never get. It was like going from vinyl records to CDs. For you young-uns, that was a huge and exciting step.
The iPhone opened up a whole new world. Here in the US, companies were either too scared or too lazy to make an effort to incorporate solid reliability and high-tech into a smartphone. Then comes Apple. They not only made a world record phone, but made it genuinely reliable and usable. Sure...other companies had smartphones. But they didn't have the simplicity and cleanness and reliability or contain all of the high-end hardware the iPhone contained. Apple did for us consumers what the rest of the industry at that time did not want to do: make a fully developed and reliable smartphone that they (Apple engineers) wanted to use. Apple made a phone that they, themselves, wanted. You don't get that anywhere else in industry. Companies only make what their bean counter, lawyers, committees or shareholders want them to make. The other companies are only interested in putting out just barely good-enough products that will sell. Apple basically said to hell with the committees, lawyers, bean counters and made what they wanted to make. *THAT* is why the iPhone became a world-wide phenomenon. When a company makes something you truly want and wish a company would make, it will sell wildly and take over the world.
That is Apple. The company that did us all good and right and now, because other companies are copying Apple's success, and spreading lies and mis-information about Apple, people hate Apple. Apple gave us all what no other company had the stones to give us. And people are hating them for it. People look at all the smartphones we have now and say Apple's stuff is ****. But they never stop...or are too young to realize...that before the iPhone, the only thing we had was nothing like or as good as an iPhone.
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Yes, Apple opened the doors to the modern smartphone, but if it wasn't them, someone else would have.
As for Apple as a company, the ONLY thing they did right was the iPhone/pod/pad. Their computers were crappy as hell (WERE). They have done better with computers recently, though not for the price in my opinion. I don't necessarily hate apple, I just think most if their products are way too expensive for my taste (mainly their computers).
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Dislike Apple? ITC Rules HTC Violated 2 Apple Patents, Bad News for Android?

I saw this in another forum and thought I would also share it here in the Sensation Forum.
Well I'm not a Apple or MS fan, but Apple is throwing all it's punches towards Android it seems. Just shows how much of a impact Android has had on them and will have in the future.
Anyway read this article about the ITC and HTC violating Apples Patents. I hope HTC comes back a wipes the **** out of Apple in the end.
http://allthingsd.com/20110715/itc-rules-htc-violated-two-apple-patents/?refcat=news
And here http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/

Apple is just full of crap.
This will blow over, it wont have a huge impact, they wont be able to sue much for damages even if HTC did loose. Android is open source, they will either find a loop hole or just work around it for future releases. No worries here.

That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They are very paranoid of all the Android success...hope HTC wins the appeal!

Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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I like to see Apple suing more OEMs so they will gang up on Apple and sue back togather in revenge, and if at the end of the day HTC loses and got banned from selling Android devices in the US market, American consumers will probably be stuck with smuggled products.

Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/

dhumil said:
That's crap.. The patents are 15 years old. Looks like Android is starting to be a threat to them.
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They're that old??
Hmm.....IIRC,international patents last 17 years.
Two years of appeals....
I suspect that in the end,Apple will get theirs.
The sad part is that I don't dislike Apple,they just don't impress me.

It was only judge who ruled in Apple's favor. It's still going to be reviewed by the whole panel of judges. This isn't even close to a "victory" for Apple. Yet.

BarryH_GEG said:
Patent enforcement is a big and lucrative business. All the major players have a portfolio of patents they use defensively to protect themselves from being sued. This quote sums up HTC's particular position:
HTC is considered the most vulnerable legally of the Android partners because it lacks a robust portfolio of patents that act as a potential shield. Earlier this month, HTC purchased S3 Graphics, largely because of a collection of patents that the ITC administrative law judge recently determined were used illegally by Apple.
http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-20079905-94/itc-says-htc-violating-two-of-apples-patents/
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Thanks for the link, I added it to the first post as well. It looks like HTC might be buying the patents as defense.
Like others said it is a long way from over.

everyday48 said:
Google need to take action to protect its eco system.
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It really sucks they lost out on the Nortel patents. It would have helped a lot. But honestly, this patent trolling has to stop. It's getting ridiculous now.

The only reason why android is getting all these random lawsuits is because its a threat.. Apple never cared before Google bought android. YES android existed before the G1 from Google, Google bought android out and took it to new levels, which we all thank lol.. The big players do this all the time, Apple Vs Microsoft, Apple Vs. Samsung, Apple Vs. Android... Well microsoft owns part of Apple's stocks, and vise-versa, its a way to move money around without being blunt obvious..

aNYthing24 said:
this patent trolling has to stop.
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Even if HTC loses, it won't really change anything except their profit margin. They'll end up paying Apple something per handset for use of their intellectual property but won't have to redesign the handsets. But now that they own patents that Apple's theoretically infringing on the whole thing could be a draw anyway.

Apple has resorted to patent trolling hopefully...the appeals court will overturn the ruling

Bloody Apple...why don`t they just create great products instead of suing competitors. Stupid American thinking - if you can`t beat your competitor, sue him.
But no to worry - Google reported that every day there are 550 000 Android devices activated.

I cannot believe that Apple is actually trying to claim that they invented SCROLLING and TOUCH SCREENS. And all this as they're blatantly copying Android's notifications for iOS 5. I hope Google sues the living **** out of them.
This company is the very definition of scum.

I don't like Apple at all
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When your own pool of innovation has run dry, sue the other guy for having a bigger pool
Steve Jobs fostered this sort of thinking by Apple back in the garage days, and although they have found ways over the years to manipulate their groupthink disciples and the non-techie commonman into believing that they have changed, it's never really been any different. Small wonder, since Microsoft and Apple basically created each other, and forged their own business personas together... an endless game of backstabbing between two foul companies, whilst at the same time they attempt to destroy anyone else in the middle.
Companies like Microsoft and Apple make me wish that anti-trust investigations were more centered around *groups* of corporations, rather than simply individual ones. A lot more of the real dirt going on in the tech markets would maybe get scrubbed off of the floor, so to speak

Germany --- Apple 0 : 1 Motorola

I hope I am able to translate the core essence correctly from German into the good ol' English.
Motorola sued Apple for violating its patents by using UMTS, which they are not licensed for - and won.
Motorola still has to temporarily deposit 100 mio € in order to get the judgment executed. From this point on, Apple is not allowed to sell an Iphone/pad here in Germany until a higher court decides otherwise.
If a thread concerning the same matter already exists, please merge/delete.
/edit: Source - http://www.heise.de/mac-and-i/meldu...ple-im-Patentstreit-mit-Motorola-1393064.html

This MAY also include entire European Union.
Eye-to-eye, tooth-to-tooth... Apple gets its own medicine for suing Samsung for kingdom come all around world...
AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...

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AFAIK Germany is where most Apple devices are sold...
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Still ashamed of that
But yeah, servellia got it right.
The deposit serves as a guarantee for Apple's demands in case the next court decides otherwise. Apple claimed for a two billion deposit

http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/
Bad karma!

and the ruling in Australia was overturned for Samsung.
and it turns out there was a Chinese company that trademarked Ipad before Apple, the courts are still deciding on that one
Apple is losing some major battles

Apple now gets to taste his own medicine

Looks like the wheels are finally turning.
Really hope to see iPhone's going irrelevant in 2012.
I disliked iPhones before, I hate them since their patent trolling mania. And I am (was) a Mac fan.

This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.

Love to hear that
I am from Germany and still ashamed how dump the people are... They buy iPhones just for calling and sending SMS...

@MartyLK
Begone, troll.
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.

MartyLK said:
This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Agreed. I'm not a huge fan of all this lawsuit rubbish. Of course all these carriers and their OS of choice are going to be somewhat similar, but it pushes competition, and in turn gives us, the consumer, a better product.

MartyLK said:
This is sad news. Without Apple, there won't be the competition to push the others to better technology or innovation. The others will fall into a lull much like they did before the iPhone came along. The best technology up until the iPhone was resistive (flexible film type) display and faulty, buggy, low-quality OSes. It took the vision and direction of Steve Jobs to put the smartphone industry right where it is today. Without that direction there won't be any awesome innovations or technology anymore.
Be prepared to live with downgrade from now on.
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Yeah, this is true. We need Apple or some other innovative Brilliant bulb type to keep
the tech pushing up past the current and next envelope.
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chill down, Apple's not going away. I do hope they learned their lesson here and stick to making great products (better than their competition) and quit the whining about supposedly everybody stealing their so-called "original" inventions.
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Let's hope that's right.

We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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wendellc said:
We don't need apple, we got windows! Android and windows, maybe web OS too. Apple started all this bull****, so to hell with them! Honestly they haven't evolved same boring ios and that's the truth.
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Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.

It looks like Motorola are going on the attack now:
http://androidcommunity.com/quid-pr...injunction-against-apple-in-germany-20111209/

MartyLK said:
Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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That is an atrocious analogy and I hope you don't seriously believe what you're saying.
Either way, suing the competition (Apple suing Samsung, etc) in the first place is what denies innovation. Allowing the companies to flourish and make products is what is important, and there are a lot of wrenches in the works which are stopping a lot of this from actually happening.
It's not like any of this stuff from any company is new, anyway. They are all ideas from somewhere else... that is how innovation works. Ideas and inspiration from other things, not shutting each other down.

MartyLK said:
Not really. Samsung actually started it by copying the iPhone and iPad. Samsung is to blame for unleashing the beast that is Apple. To blame Apple is like blaming a rape victim.
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LOL none of this makes sense because Steve Died /respect
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i don't want to live in a world of Apple, even if it was perfect and fit my needs completely. there must be competition, and competition feeds on itself, everybody gets stronger. each manufacturer will come out with something new and patentable, the competition takes that and either copies or improves it, in the end we will have products that everybody copied every aspect and improved it in their own ways. the consumer wins
patent holders try and stifle the competition by overly protecting with litigation and lawsuits and the consumer loses
am i wrong?

Samsung just triggered what Apple had planed for years. They have publicly announced that they patented "the hell out of iOS/iPhone/iPad". Once they invested in that direction, they have to cash in on it, too. Or at least that's what they think.
I never thought much of the company anyway, but with their recent actions and dealing with patent trolls themselves, just made them jump to the evil side of the corporations.
I'm glad to see that Motorola does have some patents that are worth something and that they can use them to defend themselves and other Android manufacturers.

If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong. (apparently)

Hey guys i was just catching up on some news when i come across this article
'If you think Apple competes with Android, you’re wrong' from ZDnet. Here is a little snippet of it
Apple has never done things like other tech companies. Never. They’ve never fallen prey to analyst opinion or competitor bling. Why should they? They’re the innovators, not the imitators. Apple produces the products like they want them to be–not like Android-designers think they should be. Apple builds them and we buy them by the millions. People camp outside of Apple stores and Apple product retailers to ensure that they get a new Apple device. You don’t really see that with Android products.
The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it. That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.
after reading the entire article i was not too sure about the guys claims.
but if you could read the article and voice me your opinion on it that would be great
here is the link http://www.zdnet.com/blog/consumerization/if-you-think-apple-competes-with-android-youre-wrong/507

philster16 said:
That’s why Apple is the most successful tech company ever.[/I]
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I've always hated that this is seen as "common knowledge". Most profitable? Maybe, but I refuse to see Apple as the most successful company when they are only able to maintain a stable of a few specialized devices without a dominant market share in any field (maybe they dominate the tablet space but there is barely any legitimate competition in that area). I mean look at Motorola or Samsung or any other company that literally has it's hands in EVERYTHING tech. They might not dominate any single area, but they ensure no matter what happens they turn a profit in any way possible.

Having read the entire article it sounds as if the writer is a major ios fan and very biased. The articles only actual fact seems to be that people cue for apple products and that's proof they're great.
If apple don't compete with android why take android os features and put them in ios, why sue the most popular android device manufacturers but only those whose profucts challenge apples?
Apple don't innovate much at all anymore and definitely take note of their rivals.
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I really hate it when Apple's fan girls start reviewing the company and buying their products. The reviewers only say these Apple SO friendly terms, like "It really is resolutionary!" They say that so they will be quoted by Apple.
As for their Fan Girls (a.k.a "Customers"), I find it annoying when you ask, the people that buy only Apple products for their Computers, phones, and tablets, why they bought the iMac over a PC and they say, "Because it was made by Apple so it is obviously better." I mean really? Why!?

ZDnet and Cnet are pretty Apple fanboi heavy, so this isn't surprising at all. The main difference I find between situations with Apple and Android fanbois is that Android enthusiasts tell the fanbois to shut their yappers; very few people who enjoy Apple for what it is tend to shout down the idiots.
There was another article on there not long ago by either that guy or another of their "experts" touting all the reasons that Android just didn't satisfy him, with the main points of contention resulting from him going to Best Buy and saying that Android was somehow at fault for the results of consulting with an unknowledgeable sales member. In short, it is not a site that I trust for anything in the way of editorials.
From the article: "I doubt anyone at Apple says to a coworker, “Hey, dude, did you see my <insert Android-based phone name here>, it has this. We should totally put one of those on the next iPhone.”"
Guess he is unaware of all that iOS 5 and now 6 have blatantly stolen directly from Android and WP. The guy is so clueless it's ridiculous.
Edit: his opening statement shows his lack of grasp on reality. Dinosaurs will die, and to say that a company like Apple doesn't need to worry about competition when Android has the larger market share and it is only increasing is pure idiocy. If guys like that ever sit on the board of any company it is only a matter of time before it inevitably falls apart. It's that kind of thinking that almost destroyed Apple to begin with.
Maybe he's right though and Apple does operate in a vacuum; vacuums are indeed defined by sucking the life out of everything around them.

There is a big difference between true product innovation and marketing hype.
Apple has not innovated as much as that article suggests over the years, they have only utilized smart marketing and community hype to sell their products with very little innovation in their product lines over this time.
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Apple innovation = imitation + litigation + hype.
Just look at the iPad. The only thing about the iPad that is up to par it better than the competitors is the display. And that is the only thing that their advertising blitz talks about. They do not come close anywhere else.
If you put lipstick on a pig tho iFanBoys will line up to buy it.
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The reason is that Apple products have what we want and what we don’t even know that we want until we see it.
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This line makes me laugh. A smartphone user should know exactly what he wants in his product and if he gets more, then it's even better. But according to this line, it makes the writer seem like he wants what Apple wants him to want.
According to the article, Apple has never ever ever taken any ideas from outside. Why should they because they're innovators?
Really??! The writer seems to be unaware of any other technology in the world! Apple didn't invent the mp3 player. Granted, they made a lot of improvements and produced the best selling mp3 player but a majority of the ideas came from other products.
"To worry about the competition is a faux pas"? Then why are they trying to get the Galaxy SIII banned from entering the US. In reality, to not worry about the competition would be the stupidest move any company can take and of course Apple is worried about the competition.
My personal opinion regarding the huge success of Apple is the large user base who keep repeatedly buying Apple products without considering other (Better and cheaper) options, to blindly follow Apple into whatever they do. The writer's clearly reflects this. Another reason is that Apple products are simpler to use and by being so, not easy to customize. This is a big disadvantage for a lot of people, especially gadget freaks. Citing a personal example, I have an iPod 5G and I hated the fact that you could not even change the color theme whereas even cheap mp3 players had that function. I finally ended up putting a custom firmware (Rockbox) on it and was much happier. It even freed me from using iTunes and allowed me to use drag and drop.
My conclusion. The writer is severely misinformed.

Now it's only my thoughts on the issue.
There is always a competition between companies of the same market. I believe there are kinda regulations of that rivacy, I mean there are rules for companies to implement innovations, etc. Fruct corporation had to survive among all those giants of tech world and even go further. But how can they do it? So, they've started breaking those secret rules (here comes their everyday trials and actions from other companies) and moved forward far as they could. As you can see, Samsung, and other giants were ready to lanch their super smartphones and tablets, they did it soon, very soon after after Apple released their ones. So there are many variants on how it works. Some of them:
- Apple breaks rivacy rules
- Other companies just allow Apple do it (as they know, they see what can Apple do and do it the rest. They enter the market, that Apple was not able to win)
- Companies allow apple release their best products and analyse why people don't love fruct features and they give it to those who disappointed with Apple devices.
And many other variats are possible.
But the do! They compete with each other! As they have one marketplace
We never know what they do behind the curtain!!! we just try to be logic and use analytics

I know we all hate on apple, mostly for them being a **** company, but seriously, their stuff is ****.
Okay, it's snappy, and okay, it's nice looking.
But I had to work on a mac for a while, and I can say that without a doubt my PC (that was half that price) is vastly superior. Everything on mac works awful, including their retard son, Safari. Same goes for ipads, iphones, ipods. I just can't understand why someone would overpay for something that is worse.
As for why I had to work on a mac computer - they don't allow ios developers to make apps on anything else. **** company.

apple wins the battle apparently because they are the first to enter the market. Usually the first person enter a certain field wins.
However after a long period of time, many competitors come out with their so called immitation devices, however if apple does not innovate more thing in a field thats others never enter, they will eventually lose to those immitators. Because those immitators shaped by the market.

That guy probably is an iOS fanboy. Apple never imitates..????? LMAO.
It copied the drag down notification bar from Android...and many more..!
Android devices makes a better option because their price is little less than iPhones, iPads etc and performance is far more higher and we can customise the interface, install custom roms etc...!
Most People (not everyone) buy apple devices so that they can show off to others that they can afford such devices.
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Just another Crapple Fanboy voicing out loud for the world to hear how ill informed he is. If Crapple spent as much time " innovating " as they do suing other companies, they might produce half way decent affordable products.

I laughed really hard when I read the word 'Innovation'.

DD-Ripper and prboy1969, I plus +1 both of you.
I think the only reason Crapple has been this successful because they use Unix and think about that, Both Linux and Mac OS (yuch) use Unix as there core language. Hands down though, Linux is far more better because of the fact that it's open sourced. Linux will never die if people are still willing to code it.
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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol

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I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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alexanderd said:
I hate all these Apple addicts out there. They are the most idiotic and annoying "tech" people out there.
Apple releases a new products that is "new" but in reality it's just a revamped product that was out already.
Like the iPad... Tablets have been around for a long time. Just cause Apple decided to bring them back making them thinner, and more idiot friendly doesn't make them as great as they are hyped to be.
I'm sick of all the hype that surrounds Apple's products...
I'm through with my rant now... thanks. lol
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To be fair to Apple making an idiot friendly slim tablet was what made tablets so popular, if it wasn't for them its doubtful we would have the competing android tabs that more tech minded people may prefer and when it debuted it was the best tablet so it did deserve some of the hype.
Apple took a good idea, ironed out the kinks and produced what became the benchmark for modern tablets. It wasn't the first ever tablet but it was the easiest and most user friendly and at the time was innovative.
Now Apple rarely innovate and yet people flock to buy their products but the original ipad was actually innovative and worth some of the hype.
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Right here. This is the type of products apple makes. Like every other person in this thread knows, apple fans dont know why apple products are "better" they just are. Thats because the products are made for these idiots. Why is this better? Uhmmm......cuz i put an S on the end of it. My friend had an encounter with someone who would go far in apple. He had a droid X and wanted a faster phone, so he asked if he wrote X2 on the back it would be faster.
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OMG... That guy is really outrageus.... I added my comment too there into all those -ves which is quoted below... He even reviewed an adroid phone lol.. i have no patience to read it... i have sent same comment to his email n g+ profile... what he is doing there in goole plus rather than camping outside cupertino my god...
'lol.... i feel funny about 'apple operates in a vaccum'. If you can list out their innovations i can feed it into my ever lowering knowledge about apple n their products.. Hope u dont list inventing mobile phone into it.. Reading ur article n the payment u got u may be tempted to do it haha OMG... If apple is not going to balloon their 'small' device near close to current smartphone levels , surely they will be pumped out of scene like nokia gone down...Then by mere lawsuits against CR infringements wont be sufficient to stay in the competition. Didnt they invent their new technology yet to make screen big?
Common man , I would have been really happy if u tried looking at ur own backhole to see how big/small it is, instead of this ********. I'm very sure right now my middle finger on right hand is pointing upwards in front of ur face. This article makes more apple haters which goes against the intention behind it. May be by reading all those above -ve comments apple may take down ur next payment ... hahaha'

i officially HATE apple

damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....

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damn you suing android for nonsense you are prob the 2nd most richest company in the world and your suing android for gestures come apple be real all pc's and other tablets have your gestures are you gonna sue them too geez apple stop being greedy and share and care....
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As much as I dislike the ruling, it's a legit reason. Depending on what your talking about (The Sammy vs. Apple case). Samsung CLEARLY copied a lot from Apple, just take a look at the 1st Galaxy S. It looks like a modded iPhone. There's no getting around that point. I'm not the biggest fan of Apple, but me wanting to make it big as a business man. I need to see things from an unbiased point of view. That's why I have little, to no problem with the ruling. It's just business. You can also make the counter argument that none of the current Galaxy Devices look like an iPhone, but they didn't get in trouble for those. It was just the OG Galaxies. About the gestures things, there's certain ways you implement gestures. Samsung was using a patented way to implement gestures. But as I was saying earlier, it's just bossiness. Now Motorola is suing Apple for many Wifi, and Data patent infringements. That pretty much covers all there devices with a Wifi Radio on it. Now you don't see people complaining about how bad a company is. There happy that Apple is getting sued, so am I. But is it fair to Apple, and there products (Not just iPhones, but Macs, etc) not really. But it's all business. Apple sues Samsung, now Motorola pulls an Apple on Apple. What a magical world we live in. We should see the positive in this whole thing. The phone world should stop being flooded with ****ty phones, and company will create better devices. Apple put the fear of Steve into every OEM.

I'm also inclined to agree with the victory for Apple for the Samsung v Apple case as well...
I like Android. I consider it (vastly) superior to iOS. That does not mean I will always back up other companies that produce Android devices simply because they use Android on their phones. In my opinion, the older versions of TouchWiz did have some striking similarities with iOS. This does not mean I think Android is a copy of iOS, it just means I think an early stage of a company's skin looked very similar to Apple's.
Also that corporate email stuff and that mention of Google warning them could not have helped their case.

I see what you guys are saying and since I've never even picked up a Samsung Galaxy I probably shouldn't say anything at all. But hasn't tapping icons on a touchscreen, the color white & rectangles been around for quite a while now? The DS being my first and only smartphone this is my only experience but it does make me wonder where it will stop. Only tinkering a bit with an iPhone & an iPad.....I was absolutely astonished as to how similar the versions of MIUI were to iOS when I have run them. The theory and the code (although probably different programming languages) have to have huge similarites. Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?

Quoting weekendsR2short, "Do suits like this open up the door for Apple to begin suing individual developers for "copying" their OS? If so....they don't stand a chance against Apple's vast legal resources .....or am I just pulling one outta my big ole butt?"
I think that because the Android os is open source, the individual people developing are going to be exempt. They are just going off what was put out there. With everything being open, Apple should have been able to see from day one and been in court then, maybe they just wanted us all to love the os and take us users by storm into the Apple world.
Just my two cents
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Interesting Patent...
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The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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That's exactly the problem! If you can patent, as Samsung claimed "rectangles with rounded edges", where is it going to end? Should all devices with one button below the screen be considered as patent infringement? The point of a patent is not to protect a brand, it's to allow a revolutionary new idea to have its chance at the market...
That said, I haven't actually read the verdict in any detail. Did the jury claim patent infringement, or trademark infringement?

Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox

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Apple copied a lot from microsoft, they had made a pc that is completly portable and a couple years later apple made a more polished version called the ipad, but microsoft didn't sue.
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EXACTLY my point.....its like amd copied intel processors......intel didnt sue.....intel desided to make better more energy saving durable processors

Point blank, Apple is upset because they can't do any better than android, so they have to sue to help themselves feel better. I swear corporate bullies is all they are LoL They're latest upgrades/updates are just catching up (still haven't) to what android has been offering for years, so they sue in efforts to slow down progress IMO anyway. Which will never happen. They want to be a monopoly in a world of freedom...impossible!!!
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Comments about this or that company didn't sue Apple when they did this or that are probably under-informed. Many companies have contractual agreements to not litigate over vast areas of intellectual property. For the present discussion, perhaps the most well known is the agreement between Microsoft and Apple. Those guys were in court pretty much non-stop for years. Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact. Other companies have similar arrangements. It's quite common.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
Assuming the verdict and penalty were arrived at justly (I wouldn't know one way or the other), the only place that fairness comes into it is that Apple seems uninterested in getting licensing revenue. They want to stop their competitors from using their patented stuff, which I think is a bummer for us consumers all around. Contrast with Microsoft, which has a tidy business of getting royalties from almost all Android phone makers. You could call that a rip-off, but those other companies agreed to it, and the cost is probably insignificant compared to your overall price for a current smart phone.

The way I see it, competition breeds innovation. Money makes people play dirty, but it's how they deal with it that'll eventually make us better phones.
Android is a collaboration of multiple companies creating their own flavors, with Google at the tip of the spear. Apple is a closed door who makes app developers pay to create programs that make their company money. The only thing apple has an advantage of is grabbing celebrity endorsements for their one size fits all equipment.
I honestly think apple is running out of ideas. They need a breakthrough, and they thought Siri was it. As much fun as it would be to act like Tony Stark talking to Jarvis, I don't think it's any more useful than our Genius button. Software just isn't there yet.

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Perhaps some of you youngsters in the audience didn't know that Apple sued MS, claiming that the Windows UI was derivative of the Mac UI. Anyhow, at a certain point, I guess they both realized it was mutually-assured-destruction (or some other line of reasoning), and the two companies signed a far-reaching non-aggression pact.
As someone said earlier, it's just business. These companies are not refraining from going to court because it's the morally correct thing to do.
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Actually the suit was thrown out because Apple built Mac os from the open source Xerox GUI. In those days patent suits were more realistic. Logical thinking of you can't patent something that is a copy. Now the patent law has become very unrealistic and out of control.
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I don't see this as Apple vs. Android at all; it's more Samsung vs. Apple.
I'm loyal to Google and Google warned Samsung of the similarities. This makes taking the verdict a lot easier pill to swallow.
The true problem is the patent office. Stop allowing people to patent basic **** like rectangles with rounded corners.
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Agreed at the patent office being the real problem. Did Henry Ford get a patent on 4 wheels and engine in front? Does Gibson sue everyone who makes a "Les Paul style" guitar or one with Humbucking pickups? No. The root problem here is that Steve Jobs, and in his absence Apple in general, is too lazy to out innovate anyone so they want the market returned to the days when they WERE the innovators. I personally prefer devices like the DS and the original G1 because nobody is ever going to mistake them for an iTurd. And yes... I would drop my SIM card in my G1 again before it would touch an i device.
Xiaomi better be careful with releasing a phone with MIUI as stock os though... If the new one looks as much like iOS as the one I tried for DS... That could be a problem. It just makes me sad because most of the GUI patents Apple was awarded they didn't even come up with.
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What PC are you talking about? AFAIK (which is not very far), Microsoft has never done hardware except for the Surface tablet.
Apple also stole the original GUI from Xerox
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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But we all know Tablets as we use them now would have never have been with out Apple. Apple sparks the idea, then company's try to battle it out. Take the iPhone, touch screens where not a huge thing. iPhone comes out and BAM! Market floods with Touch Screen phones.
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The Tablet PC was out long before the iPad. Go watch some episodes of 24 and you'll see CTU use one. XP Tablet edition was out before Vista.
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Or 2001, yes? I actually watched that after all this Apple/Samsung/Other garbage started... Most exciting.
What I was actually saying is that *Microsoft* does not make hardware, HP, Dell, ect. make hardware and Microsoft licences them hardware. Nitpicky, I know. That's how I am. Sorry!
That said, I just looked up tablet PCs before and after the iPad, there is a marked shift... From huge, bulky stuff (with resistive touchscreens and/or styluses) to sleek, thin, multitouch devices.
But then, I only know what I've picked up, I've never researched anything about this.

I hope you guys realize this is all just a publicity stunt for Apple. Rather than spending $$$$ on advertising, they would spend it on getting into legal fights with Samsung. And in the process they can prove to the uninformed consumer (a surprising majority of the population) that they were the first to come up with the ideas, and they are the innovators.
And they actually came away with some money from their main competitor as well. It's a win win win for them any way you look at it.
I can't even remember the last time I saw an ad for the iPhone, or any Apple product for that matter.

A VERY good point gtmaster303! It goes back to the saying, "There's no such thing as bad publicity".