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What if apple wins

http://www.todaysiphone.com/2011/05...t-court-orders-samsung-to-hand-over-products/

Probably will make Samsung have to stop using similar designs (to a certain degree) and ford over quite a bit of money to apple.

My device becomes a valuable collectors item!!!!!!
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If Apple makes a curved-glass iPhone (just like Galaxy S) as is currently rumored, they are hypocrites of the highest order.

we went through this in the captivate section. apple is just trying to project an image as an orrigonator andt take credit from those that they have coppied. it has little to do with winning or losing a lawsuit. the galaxy s resembles samsung phones that predate the iphone more than it resembles the iphone., if anything they will have to change the launcher layout a little. the funny thing is that lg and sony have copied many of the features of tw. and lg took it to the point that they also look pretty much like an iphone, but looks almost exactly like a sgs. look at the opimus black. if that doesnt say sgs i dont know what does. apple is only mad because on the international market the sgs is as successful as the iphone.
when it comes to looks apple has never had a style of there own instead they copy the look of an obscure product line from the 1960's and hope nobody notices.
http://gizmodo.com/343641/1960s-braun-products-hold-the-secrets-to-apples-future
and as far as the iphone form factor goes
http://techexa.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/Apple-vs-Samsung.jpg
so all apple has to stnd on is that the app drawer functions similar to apples home screen. but those arent even the same thing. it is not like the whole user experience is the same. just the scrolling directions and ability to reorganise icons.
there si more to it than that as well samsung is counter suing for infringment on something like 20+ patents in mobile technology. what people dont realize is that samsung is the largest patent holder in mobile technology and is a much larger company than apple, also apple purchases many parts from samsung, the iphone 4 and ipad use basically hummingbird processors with a lesser gpu. they may be using new suppliers now but im sure it cant help them to have messed up that business deal.

New interface at the most...

I like how Samsung has to show apple upcoming phones like the infuse I already own!
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Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.

pixelkore said:
Funny, Samsung supply's chips for Apple products. Apple shot themselves in the foot one to many times.
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I would LOVE for Samsung to drop them as a customer.
There are other companies that can produce the parts, but Samsung is actually big enough to keep up with the orders.
Anyways, they make the most money from Sony, so Sony is more precious to them then Apple.
(if they did get dropped, that iPhone 5 delay would go from September to July of 2012)

People still want Iphones?

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People still want Iphones?
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lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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pixelkore said:
lol, you know the day I saw an Apple employee discreetly use her Android I switched.
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Funny, I saw an apple employee with a android device as well. "Shhh, don't tell."

Samsung won!!!

Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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Samsung won a battle, but the patent war will go on.
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Don't get me wrong it sounds like great news... how about a link to the news article that you read this news on? Or are you referring to the U.K. ruling? http://www.pcworld.com/article/2589...h_to_infringe_apple_design_says_uk_judge.html

speedyjay said:
Samsung won the patent war against apple regarding the Galaxy Tab :-D:-D eat **** apple!!!
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This is just for the UK, has no bearing over here in the States or other parts of the world. FYI

Yea, the judge said he didn't think it could be mistaken for an Ipad, Judge Birss said according to Bloomberg, “They are not as cool.”
Now Google has to pony up 22 million for breaking into Safari and bypassing security settings to imbed cookies. That's no different than a hacker or virus. Come on Google, now you're acting like Bankers...Getting alittle too big to fail and I'll do whatever I please...

Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)

I agree with those claims of violations on design. Damn, is so easy to do something visually different. And the galaxy tab plus, does look like an ipad. I bought a cover to it for people don't pickup on me for having an apple like product as i bought it more for the hardware and android.
What makes me sick is how ridiculous are the others claims Apple does. You read on newspaper: Apple against HTC or Samsung or anyone, after 3 or 4 pages of sensationalism on apple vs google, close vs open and good vs evil you read that the reason is that the keyboard layout changes when you change the language.
I second the point the guy of xda tv made, those companies should start to sue patent offices to allow so lame patents.
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Frankly Samsung should have been charged because the Tab's do look like iPhone/iPod/iPad ...
Like it or not, Apple is the one who sets the standards. Saying eat **** is simply childish (and most likely you are a child)
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Some of the claims about the device looking like an iDevice are ridiculous when someone really thinks about it. Are you going to deviate from a rectangular design? Or change the black border to orange? Maybe no border at all? Or put the front-facing camera in the lower left hand corner?
Good design is one thing. Patenting common sense design is another.

Let's start by saying that entire copyright law is a bunch of crap. about 20% of human genome is patented. that in itself speaks how absurd some of the laws are.
I disagree that they should sue the patent office. it should be closed and recreated in a different form, one that makes sense today.
About the design. there are so many other tablets that look unique, and there are no lawsuits aimed at them.
what samsung did is basically make a photocopy of the device, change the size and a few buttons. while that could be enough changes to satisfy the law requirement it is not innovating at all, but making bad copies of something that is successful.

Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.

Itaintrite said:
Let's all agree that Apple have stopped innovating a while ago.
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By "stopped innovating" you mean their designers got tired of designing the same old moto? Seriously apple should have tried making larger displays for their iPhones since every mobile company (not all) have already adopted the large display concept for their devices.
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Android R.I.P. - The Grips of Jobs' Dead Hands

Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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I am not saying this will happen, but is quite possible if the government doesn't block Apple in their tracks from doing so... (I think once Google Appeals, these parents will be made standard for touchscreens...)

deedscreen said:
Android, and every other touchscreen OS, (besides iOS) you might as well say goodbye to...
Apple now has the power to destroy Android, Windows Phone, and any other iOS Touchscreen Competitor... Steve Jobs wins this round (for now anyways...)
How long before Apple has the S3 Pulled? This is the top iPhone competitor besides the DROID RAZR Series, with the S3 far ahead...
Check this out:
http://www.acsyndicate.net/apple-aw...ts-the-possible-end-of-android-as-we-know-it/
This could spell the end for Android and this phone, and I will not be a happy camper if I can't upgrade because of Apple... I will throw a major tantrum!
Google, act & appeal fast and fix this mess!!!!
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If this ever happens i would rather go back to a flip phone or have none at all. I would never give apple any of my money.

I refuse to get an Apple device, but this won't effect available devices in stock or on eBay, so good Android devices will be very rare if this goes the way Apple wants... I'll tell you one thing, eBay prices for Android Devices will go sky high.... (used or not...)
Edit: I miss flip phones anyways, so I'll go old school if I have to...

i have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it. Apple, you do not own the world, you were not the first to create a "list" on an electronic device. If your so afraid of Samsung, then just build a darn phone with a bigger screen, i wont buy it, but tons of other people would. Fair competition is good for business, it keeps ingenuity alive and keeps engineers pushing the limits of what can be done. Competition is THE ONLY REASON we have the superphones we have now. If apple owns all the rights to make anything that even resembles a smartphone, we will have the iphone 4s renamed and sold as a new product for the next decade.
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.

it will never happen. Nothing to add.

Well some of what this says they currently have rights to like list view is bs because before the first iPhone was released I was able to use list view on Windows mobile for years. So unless I've miss read, something isn't right or maybe my aging memory is wrong.
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Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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I know you said nothing to add, but my point is Apple had been on a wining streak, so hopefully the government fixes this and makes these touch screen parents standard...

Bagbug said:
it will never happen. Nothing to add.
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agreed
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tjb433 said:
I have an ipad, and this makes me want to smash it.
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Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...

tjb433 said:
Whoever the judge is that granted that patent, is an idiot.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".

deedscreen said:
Do a factory reset, sell it, buy a Galaxy Tab, then shove it in your Apple Store representatives face showing features that the iPad doesn't have... No reason to smash something worth hundreds, (although the company who makes it is pure evil...) But I agree with what you were saying completely...
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I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?

tjb433 said:
I was actually thinking of doing this over the past few weeks, i had an android tablet a few years ago, but the number and quality of apps was underwhelming, how is it now?
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I have the HTC EVO View, while I am not a fan of HTC, nor the EVO Series, I don't regret the purchase... Now there is wayyy more support for tablets and specialized tablet UIs.... Now just make sure you get a high end one that will be upgraded to Jelly Bean... (It's not worth getting one on a data contract, as you can tether from your phone to your tablet...)
Note: The EVO View nor HTC Flyer will NOT Get ICS nor JB so don't even bother...

This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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This is utterly ridiculous google needs to stop sitting on their hands and be more aggressive.
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You couldn't have put it any better... This happened around the 17th of this month... and we (the public) have yet to hear of any response from Google...

This is for USA only other countries won't tolerate this bs. Only in the USA. Where they're are so proud of apple for outsourcing jobs that Americans badly need smucks.
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Android is here to stay. Google and samsung have some pretty good lawyers too. It's total BS that this kinda stuff even goes on. The only people getting rich on this are the lawyers. If they were smart, they'd sit across from each other at a conference table and make a truce and move on.
Now that Jobs is dead, it's just a matter of time before Apple slips into irrelevance. Nobody there has the passion he had about his company, and nobody is gonna defend it like he did.
That 40 billion they have will be squandered away on bogus patent law suits. Money that could have been spent on more cutting edge development. Everybody knows that patents are crap. Your better off not even applying for a patent and get the thing to market first. By the time they figure out what you did, you come up with something new. A patent application is an invitation and a headstart for everybody else to steal your idea. The company thats ahead of the development curve, and gets it to market fast and furious, makes the money.
Boo hoo...they stole my idea:crying:

Apple is a joke. This is what happens when they feel threaten by a competitor. I will give it to Apple the iPhone was a brake through, but since then Android came out and is user friendly with developers willing to make the devices better and faster more customizable. Making the Android OS just better period. Apple needs to realize there are other players in this game so step up as Android HAS. They know Android IS the future and their scared they will be left behind. Lol I laugh a Apple, I'm going to tell them like I do any young kid with a bad attitude grow up.
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I wanted to say that in my article, but couldn't so I said the judge made a "very poor decision".
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The court should get sued for taking away our right to choose what we want to purchase. I will rather NOT have a phone or an old crappy phone than own a crapple device. I will order my phones through China or Japanese manufactures. but owning a crappy device I will not!

Good read here as well arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/02/if-android-is-a-stolen-product-then-so-was-the-iphone/
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Oh and just to add a good question shouldn't someone sue Apple for using someone else's technology like LCD, LED screens, let them have the right to the patents a lot it would do them with a device with no screen.
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Surprised about the Apple vs Samsung verdict?

Well I figured since this is a Samsung phone forum I could post this here... Anyways mod delete if you feel like...
My point is I am not surprised about the verdict today at all...
Let's face it.. this doesn't make sense to me.. Apple is a huge American company, Samsung is from Korea.. so for a case so big shouldn't it happen in some international country or something? And plus guess what... the jury is 9 American citizens. Seriously? They probably have some iStuffs, their wives,husbands,kid,friends probably do.. so which side do you think they would be on?
Anyways this is what I think, and why I am not surprised Apple won on all counts..
What do you think?
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Hopefully Google/Motorola will avenge Samsung's US lost to crApple.

Djapatos said:
Well I figured since this is a Samsung phone forum I could post this here... Anyways mod delete if you feel like...
My point is I am not surprised about the verdict today at all...
Let's face it.. this doesn't make sense to me.. Apple is a huge American company, Samsung is from Korea.. so for a case so big shouldn't it happen in some international country or something? And plus guess what... the jury is 9 American citizens. Seriously? They probably have some iStuffs, their wives,husbands,kid,friends probably do.. so which side do you think they would be on?
Anyways this is what I think, and why I am not surprised Apple won on all counts..
What do you think?
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Oh I knew it was gonna turn out like this. About 75% of the population here see a smartphone and label it a iPhone, they see a tablet and label it a iPad. Who did you think the American public was going to side with. That's the power of advertisement Apple controls over all smartphones & tablets. When you are able to replace the generic name of a product with your brand name for that same product and have the whole population calling it that way you are in control. (Q-tip, Vaseline, Band-Aid, ChapStick, Windex, iPod, etc.)

Really when you think about it, the ruling isn't surprising at all. Apple wants to get rid if their competitors and lawsuits are just one way to do it. In my mind, a really cheap and almost disgraceful way to do it, but, that's politics for you! No one remembers Tucker (old car company) but i was wiped out by the Detroit 3 through a lawsuit as well. Only 50 cars were ever produced because of it.
I hate politics, but this is how things go down... Hopefully, up here in Canada we don't have repercussions from the American trial, but who knows right? All three of my phones have been Samsung, and I want my fourth to be one as well, even if I have to buy international.
Apple... Great products, however they need to stop suing about everything. But that's politics, and I hate them.
Samsung... Best of luck to you. I want another great phone... Maybe make it in the shape of a circle so Apple can't sue about the shape (how can you patent a shape anyway!? I might as well patent the sphere and sue all the ball makers in the world. )
May the force be with you Sammy
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I'm not surprise with the verdict. I expected crApple to win, not because of the patent infringement claims, but due to their huge advantages. Basically, Samsung was the underdog in this case. Keep in mind that crApple's headquarter is just a mere 10 miles away from the courthouse and the jurors were picked from the heart of Silicon Valley, where Steve Jobs was from.

It could be that they let Apple win because Apple's a really big company that supports the American Economy
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It could be that they let Apple win because Apple's a really big company that supports the American Economy
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Rigggghhht...
All those 'Designed in California, Made in China' fine print is really that hard to understand... it says California in there so it must be good for America?
Not to mention they are really good at dodging local/state/federal taxes. They have a good army of lawyers doing just that outside of the litigation ones that fought Samsung.

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Rigggghhht...
All those 'Made in China' print must be missed on all their products.
Not to mention they are really good at dodging local/state/federal taxes.
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[BREAKING NEWS] Apple files infringement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.......

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[BREAKING NEWS] Apple files infringement suit against God for creating a fruit based off their logo.......
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The interesting part about this situation is that Samsung makes apple's proccessors... I wonder if this will piss Samsung off enough to call it quits... Apple is Samsung's number one customer, so I doubt they will be able to cut ties without losing a major amount of income
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What goes around comes around.. Apple will get theirs soon enough.
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Google needs to step up and revenge for Samsung. Apple is going after all android phones manufacture after this. Even Nexus lineup.
Oh yeah. F##k Apple. I will never buy their products again. Period.

I hope that google does step up and do something about this. Most likely their probably not wich upsets me to see crApple winning.
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I was kind of surprised since the jury got to use some of the Samsung devices to compare. Usually when I'm around someone who is messing with their iPhlop I let them mess around with my phone and 90% of the time am asked if I have any for sale.
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Its sad really. Do you see Bentley and Mercedes suing Hyundai for making their cars look like ripoffs? Designer clothes stores suing old navy for clothes that look exactly the same? A third grader for drawing a rounded rectangle??
I just couldn't help at Tim cook's release to his employees about how they were reluctant to sue and how they want to protect innovation for all. Bunch of goddamn money hungry elitist assholes. If they really cared about innovation and technology they would be a little more concerned with moving the whole segment forward, not hoarding everything to themselves.
That being said, some things Samsung did really are ridiculous copies (the charger cube for our phone looks exactly like the iPhones...)...and they should have partially lost.
They won't make it very long after people don't think their **** is so hot anymore and they burn all their cash on stupid lawsuits...watch out in the near future for a bombed product upgrade...could come as early as the iPhone 5 I bet.
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I don't see how Apple won in a business sense.. Samsung had already established themselves as the number one smartphone manufacturer in the world by focusing on territory. Now they can focus more on design. It was a billion dollar gamble that paid of nicely. They don't need to do anything but but put out a bunch of vanilla Android devices with top of the line hardware and a physical design that doesn't look like an iPhone. There are many possibilities. This was a win for Samsung and us since we will get less iOS look and feel and better functionality.
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The fact and the matter is... apple only sues Samsung because it s scared of how Samsung has become #1 and wants to destroy it...
Like I don't think Samsung is the maker of phone with rectangle and round corners, how come apple only sues Samsung? That's cause Samsung is the most successful one
My only hope is for Motorola/Google wins against Apple
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As much as I love android I do remember shopping for a phone and picking up the galaxy s fascinate and thinking to myself "wow this really looks like an iphone".. Samsung really should have done something to better differentiate the 2 phones.. However I never for one second got it confused with an iphone.. I love Samsung phones but some of their phones did look like blatant copies.. I agree that a rectangle should not be patented but i also think that Apple has a right to not have their products copied so closely... That is why they won their case..
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As much as I love android I do remember shipping for a phone and picking up the galaxy s fascinate and thinking to myself "wow this really looks like an iphone".. Samsung really should have done something to better differentiate the 2 phones.. However I never for one second got it confused with an iphone.. I love Samsung phones but some of their phones did look like blatant copies.. I agree that a rectangle should not be patented but i also think that Apple has a right to not have their products copied so closely... That is why they won their case..
I'll probably get flamed for this post lol but its my opinion and I ain't afraid of it
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They should re try the case with better court circumstances, Americans don't know apple is bolting their opportunities to the floor with dead bolts using iPhone and iPad ios closed source software.
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If nothing else... It may be end of touchwiz. Time for Samsung to ship cm roms standard.
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Apple adds Samsung's Galaxy S III, Galaxy Note and Galaxy Note 10.1 to patent lawsuit

http://www.engadget.com/2012/08/31/apple-samsung-galaxy-s-iii-galaxy-note-patent-lawsuit/
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This is ridiculous. Even my don't know anything apple friends know my phone is in no way similar to the iPhone.
Urgh.
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Well apple did invent "the power button" so no one is safe.
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LOL this is getting ridiculous.

LoL apple is going nuts .
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So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?

I like Galaxy products though I'm not a big fan of Samsung... But now I hate Apple...

Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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I wonder if eve was alive would she have sued apple ?
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Alien-dx11 said:
So those f**kers at apple are at it again huh.? It seems like they are not going stop until they wipe android off of the planet. Also how is the S3 similar to the iphone.?
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Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.

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Well as far as I know, it's only the four utility patents that are in question here. I thought universal search was fixed with 4.0 though? I'm pretty sure all of those problems are fixed with 4.1.
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They should be but seriously, the patents that people can have nowadays are utter ****. "We got a patent on the bounce back from a list". In a movie if someone said that, the audience would be like "Wtf..." but in real life I guess thats fine. A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.

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A patent on clicking on Email and able to call? Its the most mind boggling retarded thing and of course people think its fine.
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agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.

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vK3o3yAo1Fl1 said:
agreed. blackberry had that feature too...don't remember apple trying to sue them.
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Unified search is a ridiculous one too. Basically just being able to find a search item locally as well as from the web. They've already sued to block the SGS3 with this.
Google had this feature with Google Desktop in 2004- Apple filed after it existed and got the patent for it in 2011.
This whole thing stinks so bad- basically if everyone did what Apple is doing, you can just look around at ANY good idea in any product made by anyone, do a quick sketch up of the idea and apply for a patent- even though you didn't do JACK but look around and see something someone else made and come up with your own version of it. If you're rewarded the patent, you can then sue the person who actually came up with the idea before you did and take their idea! You just have to be first to file for the patent.
This really sucks for innovation, because before, A company might come out with something like Google Desktop and release it without a thought that someone else would patent just the basic idea right out from under them and eventually take them to court and sue them based on their own innovation! But now, that's exactly the kind of crap any company is going to have to consider before it can release new ideas. And heaven forbid you're a startup without armies of patent lawyers and billions to throw around protecting yourself from patent-troll based lawsuits.
Thanks a lot Apple. A-holes.

I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....

I've always been a fan of apple computers
Will stop supporting them in that vein now too, what a desperate underhanded company...
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I blame our judicial system more than I do apple. Look at what the other courts are doing with these lawsuits in other countries. They seem to have common sense.
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I still sctratch my head as to why Samsung still supllies parts to Apple for their iPhone. Sure it might be a different division within Samsung but it still carries the Samasung name.
Just goes to show you as long as you pay us we will always do business with you no matter how you treat us. Man, how money talks.....
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Exactly! Further more why is Google even making apps for IOS? It's as obvious as a huge zit on your nose that this about android more than it is Samsung. If HTC was the leading android OEM it would be them in court instead.
What would happen to apple if Samsung and Google stopped supporting them? They're already lagging behind in innovation. The iphone 5 is going to be a joke. It's clear apple is trying to kill both of them but they are acting just like the general public. Support apple no matter what. Smh

ah just posted this too didn't see your post. I hope the iPhone fails I've got a Mac but I don't think ill every buy a apple product again because of all this.
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Scum sucking blow holes

I don't know if it would do any good but maybe we should start a potetion to tell apple they are losing customers because of there pour behavior.
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/9511192/Samsung-may-sue-Apple-over-LTE-technology.html
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