Database Info

[Q] Transformer or Transformer Prime?

Hey guys,
So here's my dilemma. I was thinking of getting a netbook for professional purposes (word, mindmapping software and possibily vintage gaming) but I've com to the conclusion that most netbooks pretty much suck hardware-wise (can't even do HD video <.<).
So I took a look at both the Transformers, and with their keyboard dock they seemed like a perfect choice, for their size and usability.
However, the vintage gaming I'm looking for (that I'm willing to throw away at this point) was only available for Windows (mostly). So being that I'm possibly opting for an Android "tablet-book" I'm still wondering this:
Are the rumors that Windows 8 will be ARM-compatible and possbily will work on the Transformer Prime? If so I might get one. If not I'll possibly go for the original transformer. But that leaves me with another question:
Except for the quad-core is the difference from the Tegra2 to the Tegra3 really steep in terms of performance?
Thanks in advance,
K.

Dont hold your breath for windows 8. The rumor says its only going to be sold pre-installed on devices, and not available for download to other devices. And since it isnt open source, porting it to other devices would be quite tricky, and also piss microsoft off.
The Prime is faster, no doubt. But is it enough to justify the price differences? I dont think so.
The tegra2 can not handle 1080p movies. The prime struggles with them as well but can play most of them.
But in whole, it sounds like a tablet wont satisfy your needs, unless you got access to a windows PC you can use through remote desktop all the time.
A tablet can not replace a laptop/pc yet. They arent ment for that. Once win8 tablets start to mature, that might change. But that might take years.

Goatshocker said:
Dont hold your breath for windows 8. The rumor says its only going to be sold pre-installed on devices, and not available for download to other devices. And since it isnt open source, porting it to other devices would be quite tricky, and also piss microsoft off.
The Prime is faster, no doubt. But is it enough to justify the price differences? I dont think so.
The tegra2 can not handle 1080p movies. The prime struggles with them as well but can play most of them.
But in whole, it sounds like a tablet wont satisfy your needs, unless you got access to a windows PC you can use through remote desktop all the time.
A tablet can not replace a laptop/pc yet. They arent ment for that. Once win8 tablets start to mature, that might change. But that might take years.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Before anything thanks for the reply, every input is useful
The point is, I don't need it to substitute my desktop PC (I have a gaming rig, it would be impossible xD), I do need it to be able to work on documents on the go, read stuff, and browse the web like it was a netbook, but without sacrificing the abitity to watch video like I would have on a netbook.
In terms of gaming I only really need it to run all Android games flawlessly

KezraPlanes said:
In terms of gaming I only really need it to run all Android games flawlessly
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That wont happen, for several reasons;
Gameloft, which has a big amount of good games, hardly supports the Transformers, forcing us to find the games by other means.
A lot of games is only coded for crappy phones with their low-res screens, making them unplayable on a tablet with a larger resolution.
If you want an android device that can play the majority of the games available, you're better of getting a high-end phone ... its a sad world we're living in...
That said, there is a lot of games available, but some takes a lot of time to find.
One example is Order & Chaos... It took me 2 weeks before I actually found a version that works on the TF101, and once gameloft decides to update the game - who knows how long it will take before it will work again.
We have a thread here that lists the gameloft games currently known to work on our TF101's. The list itself isnt updated in quite a while, but the last few pages lists some more games.
I think the Prime forum got a similar thread.

Goatshocker said:
That wont happen, for several reasons;
Gameloft, which has a big amount of good games, hardly supports the Transformers, forcing us to find the games by other means.
A lot of games is only coded for crappy phones with their low-res screens, making them unplayable on a tablet with a larger resolution.
If you want an android device that can play the majority of the games available, you're better of getting a high-end phone ... its a sad world we're living in...
That said, there is a lot of games available, but some takes a lot of time to find.
One example is Order & Chaos... It took me 2 weeks before I actually found a version that works on the TF101, and once gameloft decides to update the game - who knows how long it will take before it will work again.
We have a thread here that lists the gameloft games currently known to work on our TF101's. The list itself isnt updated in quite a while, but the last few pages lists some more games.
I think the Prime forum got a similar thread.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Thanks for the advice again
But honestly I don't play Gameloft stuff because I hate their shanenigans of making crappy coded games that don't even work the same on two phones with the same hardware.
I'm talking more about many of the indie games that have been popping up on the Market from Osmos HD, to Avadon and Canabalt among many others.

Its a hard choice but if you want gps and great wifi the original tf is the choice.
Documents on the go no problems for me.
If you root and use custom roms and overclock the performance difference at the moment does not justify the price.
Gaming thats a hard one some might say games dont work or hd games are usually released for the prime etc etc. But for me i play ps1 n64 gameboy etc with a ps3 controller on my tf101 i also play sims freeplay and a load of other games that i got direct from the market. You may not get all games but i think the best part of say 4-5 hundred games would be enough for anyone.
The ability to hook it up to the tv and play ps1 games with opengl (makes the old graphics look way better) alone makes it worth loving my android tablet.
Also when i had to decide between netbook and android tablet the winner for me was the tf101 because i can get 18hrs battery life most netbooks i have seen are lucky to last 6.
Sent from my Transformer TF101 using XDA Premium HD app

I can watch videos fine on my transformer (I'm not really an avid video watcher who can ONLY watch things in super super HD, seriously, 720 is really good on a screen this small). My tablet is very useful because I mostly browse, read pdfs, and take notes. Sadly, I find that I'm using the keyboard less and less, since the only time I really use it is when I have to type up reports, and latex works better with a bigger screen so I don't even use the keyboard much then..

think well ever see a GameCube emulator?

were far past the minumin specs requirements for dolphin to run gamecube emulations, so any modern phone could run a gamecube emulator.. the question is, is anyone currently working on one? we really only seem to have two big emulator developers, both who now have no real motivation to develop.. so i wonder if anyone would take on the job of porting a gamecube emulator to android.. does anyone know if anyone is working on such a project?

I guess it remains to be seen, but I think gamecube emulation on Android has several things going for it. One is the raw horsepower of today's high-end smartphones, with phones like the SGSIII and HTC One X sporting quad cores. Another encouraging sign was the abandoned dreamcast emulator that ran surprisingly well on a Galaxy S2, and even then it was largely unoptimized. It also helps that Dolphin on PCs runs a lot of gamecube games at 60 fps, so optimized emulation of the gamecube architecture is certainly possible with the right developers. Hopefully this idea gains momentum - who wouldn't like to see a functional gamecube emulator running on a phone?

Hell.. anything to be banging out Timesplitters 2 on my phone! But maybe there's too many buttons to fit on the screen? You'd need the Anolog, D-Pad, C-Stick, Z, L & R, Start button and main buttons.. on the PS1 Emulator (FPSE), you've got just the D-Pad and main buttons to worry about.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA

Well maybe on Galaxy S3
Altough the Problem with the buttons remains
Sent from my GT-S5830 using XDA

Unlikely in the near future consider how far behind smartphone cpu's are. Maybe a few years down the road. Even with the new Exynos 5, it will still lag behind pc processors. The closest thing right now is a Gameboy Advance emulator.

vx117 said:
Unlikely in the near future consider how far behind smartphone cpu's are. Maybe a few years down the road. Even with the new Exynos 5, it will still lag behind pc processors. The closest thing right now is a Gameboy Advance emulator.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I can play PS1 games on my galaxy S @ 60 fps with sound.

I don't think we'll see this for a very long time.
Although some game specs are very low, there are games that have very high requirements. Twilight Princess for example.
The other thing is, controls. Unless we have a bluetooth game controller, it would be very difficult to map any sort of playable controls to any modern smart phone. especially considering most smart phones now have only a touch screen.
On top of all that, there have only been a few dozen builds of dolphin for linux, afaik.
I could be wrong, but. the reality is, this is something that would take a lot of dedication, and it wouldn't be something the average smart phone user would benefit from, particularly due to the controls.
Lastly, we'd have to consider graphics. Although some smart phones are capable of doing some decent HD video, that doesn't mean they have the power to emulate physics engines and whatnot.

kronflux said:
I don't think we'll see this for a very long time.
Although some game specs are very low, there are games that have very high requirements. Twilight Princess for example.
The other thing is, controls. Unless we have a bluetooth game controller, it would be very difficult to map any sort of playable controls to any modern smart phone. especially considering most smart phones now have only a touch screen.
On top of all that, there have only been a few dozen builds of dolphin for linux, afaik.
I could be wrong, but. the reality is, this is something that would take a lot of dedication, and it wouldn't be something the average smart phone user would benefit from, particularly due to the controls.
Lastly, we'd have to consider graphics. Although some smart phones are capable of doing some decent HD video, that doesn't mean they have the power to emulate physics engines and whatnot.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think the biggest point is the performance. On my pc that can run BF3 on ultra it has trouble with gamecube emulation. Sure it pumps out 30 fps but it simply can't push out anything higher than that. And there are regular lagspikes when there are a lot of transparent particles on the screen. Overal the dolphin emulator is unoptimized. So if the pc version is having trouble I don't see a meager smartphone running it any better...
AMD Phenom II X4 955 @ 3.5GHz
8GB DDR3 1066 MHz
Gigabyte HD5850
I doubt that it would be my specs that make dolphin run slow...

Matt3333 said:
Hell.. anything to be banging out Timesplitters 2 on my phone! But maybe there's too many buttons to fit on the screen? You'd need the Anolog, D-Pad, C-Stick, Z, L & R, Start button and main buttons.. on the PS1 Emulator (FPSE), you've got just the D-Pad and main buttons to worry about.
Sent from my GT-I9100 using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
That's what Gamepads are for Blutooth modded Gamecube controller?

God the Game Cube, great console ever made the biggest challenge is to get all those buttons on a game cube controller on to the smart phone screen. Yes most smart phones now have massive screens but it would be pretty uncomfortable especially the buttons on the very front of the game cube controller. But that could be solved by using wireless controllers I guess..
Sent from my Legend using xda premium

I think we need to distinguish between what is theoretically possible and what is practically possible. Theoretically speaking, we had the first-gen Samsung Galaxy S running a nearly playable (and unoptimized) build of a dreamcast emulator. You were getting decent FPS on the emulator running a high-end game like Shenmue (you can find some old videos on Youtube). The dreamcast was in the same gaming generation and had the processing power comparable to the PS2 and Gamecube. When you start considering the power behind the new quad core generation of phones, things become interesting.
As far as practically possible, it'll definitely take a lot of work and technical know-how. If a potential developer is interested in the financial incentives (who isn't?), they can look no further than fpse on the android market: 100,000+ downloads at $5 a pop. No easy change. It can be done, but you need the right people.

soraxd said:
were far past the minumin specs requirements for dolphin to run gamecube emulations, so any modern phone could run a gamecube emulator.. the question is, is anyone currently working on one? we really only seem to have two big emulator developers, both who now have no real motivation to develop.. so i wonder if anyone would take on the job of porting a gamecube emulator to android.. does anyone know if anyone is working on such a project?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Eh
No Modern Phone Could Natively Run An Emulation Of Resident Evil 4
---------- Post added at 08:39 AM ---------- Previous post was at 08:24 AM ----------
vx117 said:
Unlikely in the near future consider how far behind smartphone cpu's are. Maybe a few years down the road. Even with the new Exynos 5, it will still lag behind pc processors. The closest thing right now is a Gameboy Advance emulator.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Nah GBA Emulators Are Far Behind
I Could Run GBA Games On My 5320 Xpress Music And That Thing Didn't Even Have A Graphics Processor (However It Could Somehow Run NGAGE 2.0 Games)
I Have A HTC Sensation And I Can See It Emulating Everything Up To High End PS1 Games

But maybe there's too many buttons to fit on the screen? You'd need the Anolog, D-Pad, C-Stick, Z, L & R, Start button and main buttons.. on the PS1 Emulator (FPSE), you've got just the D-Pad and main buttons to worry about.

All the emulator work very good!!
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-I727 using xda premium

That's why I keep my PSP handy. Custom firmware and some hacking and you have a usable PSP! I don't have a Gamecube emulator since I'm pretty sure it doesn't exist, but the NES, SNES, GB, GBA, etc all work like a dream
BUT..... I must admit, I'm interested in this too. I'd like to know what comes of this...

It would probably be laggy, I mean maybe on the S3 but really :/

Quick question to the folks on this thread: What do you guys think about starting a Kickstarter fund for either a gamecube, dreamcast, and/or ps2 emulator? These take a lot of work but might garner potential interest from Android devs if we throw enough of a financial incentive behind it. What do you guys think?

I've see emulators utilize dual core, but never quad core. I don't think adding more cores is going to make emulation more viable. However as processors get smaller and performance increases, we may see something like that then. It could be a while though.
Sent from my Droid Incredible using the XDA app.

It has nothing to do with specs. Even the most spartan modern netbook processor is miles ahead of processing to even the most cutting edge smartphone/tablet cpus.
Sent from my HP G42 Notebook running ICS using XDA

I think you're a bit off
MR4Y said:
It has nothing to do with specs. Even the most spartan modern netbook processor is miles ahead of processing to even the most cutting edge smartphone/tablet cpus.
Sent from my HP G42 Notebook running ICS using XDA
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I think you might be a bit off here. Here is a Tegra 3 vs the latest and greatest atom. They aren't far behind at all.
Unfortunately it wont let me post links, so Google "atom vs tegra 3" and it should be near the top. The hosting site is androidandme.com

What will you use your Surface Tablet for?

The big question is what will everyone plan on using their Surface tablet for? I will definitely use mine primarily for developing windows 8/WP7 & WP8 apps (as I plan on getting that oh so beautiful Intel version). I also want to use it as a streaming video device. I am sure I will use it for more, but this is all i can immediately use it for.
Sent from my SGH-i917 using XDA Windows Phone 7 App

I definitely plan to get it as laptop replacement and build a new PC. As well as getting the touch cover and the pen to use in college for taking notes and such. Also, I'm really curious as to what the.specs of the gpu will be on the Intel version.
Sent from my Galaxy Note

Hopfully duelboot a linux dist, playing starcraft, coding, photoshop, movies, storage, as mirrow, drinking buddy and laughing at all Android tablets+iPad users when they running "simple" applications like angry bird while I'm running visual studio

I will definitely get Surface with the new WP8. Will be using it as my laptop replacement + tablet when I were out

Laptop replacement for school, visual studio development, hopefully an Ubuntu dual boot to compile otg.
Sent from my SAMSUNG-SGH-T989 using xda premium

Mostly windows desktop programs with some media reading in tablet mode. Does anyone know the GPU for the Pro tablet?

Not confirmed.
i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?

dave888 said:
Not confirmed.
i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business

I will use it to easily take orders from my clients, but also to watch movies,etc... and play a bit ^^
Maybe also to do a bit of C++.
Hope the battery is good.
And the most important : Dual Boot Windows 7/ Windows 8
@luigi90210 : AMD hasn't stop from doing CPU. Even if they are surpassed by intel for classic CPUs, their APU (A8,A6) have very good IGP ^^
But I thuink the Surface won't have any graphics apart from the HD4000 !

well i will use it for replacement my laptop..

Uncertain if it can boot Android short of blue stacks?

Hopfully duelboot a linux dist, playing starcraft, coding, photoshop, movies, storage, as mirrow, drinking buddy and laughing at all Android tablets+iPad users when they running "simple" applications like angry bird while I'm running visual studio
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You'll be getting alllllll the girls fo sho !
6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.

luigi90210 said:
if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Intel 4000 are meant to be okay for a integrated intel gpu.
The x86 version will have a Corei5 ivy bridge processor.
The ARM version will have a tegra 3.
Think that whether it will be successful will all be dependent on price.

I plan on purchasing the Pro version and using it for use in the education field and general usage -- multimedia, etc.

I think they only said that the demonstration unit was running ivy bridge, they said it would run an i5 though so there is a chance we might get haswell, after all the pro version is being released 3 months later.
If it does run haswell, i'll be getting one for note taking, coding, light CAD work and so on for uni.

The same as most of you, for school. My iPad just isn't productive enough.

Looking to get the pro version for intel compatibility. I'm aiming to get 1 and use it for my DJing running the Necessary Pioneer software to catalogue my music and also a possible expansion and run it as a touch screen dmx light controller.
As well as the usual internet, web tv , email etc....

i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy

Surface will replace my iPad (already sold it) and my Macbook Pro.
---------- Post added at 07:12 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:11 AM ----------
Noelch said:
i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Ultrabooks. Heavy. What are you, a smurf?
---------- Post added at 07:13 AM ---------- Previous post was at 07:12 AM ----------
ohgood said:
6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Why would you step so far *backwards*? As a Mac owner, I'll tell you right now: OSX is crap. I'm looking forward to dumping my MBP

Have been using OneNote with a X200T for over 5 years now, the surface seems to be perfect for that.

Dungeon Hunter 4

OMG is this game laggy on this tablet. Is anyone else playing this game with no lag? If so what did you do. My Samsung S3 plays this game with zero lag. But I keep changing Roms and I have no idea how to save this game. Any help would be great... Thanks
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda app-developers app

Runs smooth for me on balanced mode besides the characters walking animation not being smooth. Every time he takes two steps I feel a slight stop and go in the game.
Cromi 3.4.7 (jb4.1.1) with hunds kernel v2.2

Thx for the reply. Looks like I might need to root my tablet. Since the 4. 2 update this tablet is very laggy.
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda app-developers app

05Warrior said:
OMG is this game laggy on this tablet. Is anyone else playing this game with no lag? If so what did you do. My Samsung S3 plays this game with zero lag. But I keep changing Roms and I have no idea how to save this game. Any help would be great... Thanks
Sent from my SCH-I535 using xda app-developers app
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
The tf700 is too weak for this game (and others...).

codeinish said:
The tf700 is too weak for this game (and others...).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I don't think the tablet being too weak for games would be correct. This tablet has the cpu/gpu to run them. There is something else that is keeping games from having full compatibility or smoothness with this tablet. You can search and find theories from game developers being too lazy to properly code or there being an underlining issue with Tegra3 chips that Nvidia never addressed but was supposedly working on a patch for. More likely it's the high resolution of the screen which we all ready know causes a performance hit. I don't see that as being week since it is giving us a beautiful picture when using the tablet for various tasks. For those running a custom rom, is there the option to lower the resolution of the screen for extra performance?
To the original poster, not make it sound like you don't know what your tablet is doing, but are you running anything in the background or accidentally have battery saver set? I will try downloading this game and see what I get performance wise. I'm running a fresh stock install of 4.1 firmware.
----------
No problems for me running the game on stock firmware 4.1. Ran it in both performance and balanced mode.

Also im on cromi-x 4.5 with hunds 3.0.6 kernel today, running close to smooth with hunds kernel app that sets the cpu/gpu for games. Sadly i cant run the game on medium setting because the app wont save the settings after game relaunches
Edit: got it to change

fsured said:
I don't think the tablet being too weak for games would be correct. This tablet has the cpu/gpu to run them. There is something else that is keeping games from having full compatibility or smoothness with this tablet. You can search and find theories from game developers being too lazy to properly code or there being an underlining issue with Tegra3 chips that Nvidia never addressed but was supposedly working on a patch for. More likely it's the high resolution of the screen which we all ready know causes a performance hit. I don't see that as being week since it is giving us a beautiful picture when using the tablet for various tasks. For those running a custom rom, is there the option to lower the resolution of the screen for extra performance?
.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I stated that the tf700 is too weak for this game.
I agree that the tf700 has got the potential to be a game perfomer, but unfortunately it ain't.
You elaborated the reasons for this and I think you're right.
Yet, we are not living in theories but in reality where game developers skip our device
(I tried to address some of them asking for a fix, but to no avail).
Here is an example of a correspondence I had with Get Set games inc.:
"Dear Dev,
My almost 2 year old daughter is mad about Mega Run (which she keep calling "Monkey Circles").
I am an old fan of Mega Run and Mega Jump too.
The issue is that the game's graphics are not optimised for the 10 inch screen of the Asus Infinity (TF700).
Therefore the graphics are a bit blurry.
I would appreciate it if you could help me find a solution for what I have described,
or maybe issue a version that will be optimised for our tf700's screen.
Hope my request will be considered since as I have written, we love your application.
Thanks with advance and keep up the good work.
REPLY:
Thanks for getting in contact with us and for the feedback. It is great to hear that you and your daughter have been enjoying Mega Run. We have just release Mega Run on Android, and with that release we chose to only have one set of graphics at a medium/high resolution. The reason we chose to do this is that most Android devices fit this resolution very well. In the future, we hope to have higher resolution graphics for tablets such as the Asus Infinity.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Mike"
IMHO - this is not a standard machine... I should have learned this sooner (before I purchased it).
Anyways, the TF700 has it's strong areas: great device for playing all kinds of media and even some games.
The mSD slot is awesome and all in all I enjoy it.

It runs fairly well, actually. Frankly, it runs smoother than Skyrim ever did on my PC. (That game used to literally freeze every 2 steps to re-render the scene. Crappy coding from Bethesda... As per bloody usual.)
codeinish said:
Here is an example of a correspondence I had with Get Set games inc.:
"Dear Dev,
My almost 2 year old daughter is mad about Mega Run (which she keep calling "Monkey Circles").
I am an old fan of Mega Run and Mega Jump too.
The issue is that the game's graphics are not optimised for the 10 inch screen of the Asus Infinity (TF700).
Therefore the graphics are a bit blurry.
I would appreciate it if you could help me find a solution for what I have described,
or maybe issue a version that will be optimised for our tf700's screen.
Hope my request will be considered since as I have written, we love your application.
Thanks with advance and keep up the good work.
REPLY:
Thanks for getting in contact with us and for the feedback. It is great to hear that you and your daughter have been enjoying Mega Run. We have just release Mega Run on Android, and with that release we chose to only have one set of graphics at a medium/high resolution. The reason we chose to do this is that most Android devices fit this resolution very well. In the future, we hope to have higher resolution graphics for tablets such as the Asus Infinity.
Sorry for the inconvenience,
Mike"
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
You could've known the game would be blurry. Games are made with the 'hyped' devices in mind: The Galaxy Tab and the Galaxy S3. Which both run 1280x800, as opposed to 'our' 1920x1200.. (Quite a significant size increase.)
Anything with a higher resolution is a HD version, and specifically has HD listed behind it. ('Angry Birds HD'.)
Give it +-six months. Then, the SGS4 and the Note 3 will be the top devices alongside the HTC One and the potential new Nexus. And developers will have no other choice but to finally make games and apps in HD.

ShadowLea said:
It runs fairly well, actually. Frankly, it runs smoother than Skyrim ever did on my PC. (That game used to literally freeze every 2 steps to re-render the scene. Crappy coding from Bethesda... As per bloody usual.)
You could've known the game would be blurry. Games are made with the 'hyped' devices in mind: The Galaxy Tab and the Galaxy S3. Which both run 1280x800, as opposed to 'our' 1920x1200.. (Quite a significant size increase.)
Anything with a higher resolution is a HD version, and specifically has HD listed behind it. ('Angry Birds HD'.)
Give it +-six months. Then, the SGS4 and the Note 3 will be the top devices alongside the HTC One and the potential new Nexus. And developers will have no other choice but to finally make games and apps in HD.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I agree with you that eventually 1920x1080 will be a common resolution for Android devices, but I still believe Tegra 3 is too weak to run those games at full HD resolution (all Full HD devices I know have either a Snapdragon S4 Pro or Snapdragon 600 to power that many pixels). I have seen quite a few games that lag miserably on my tf700, even if it is optimized for Tegra. Example, Beach Buggy Blitz (running at max setting of this game is a big no-no on my tf700).
As for Skyrim, I really have no complaint about frame drop and stuttering, it runs quite smoothly on my laptop. Nevertheless, given the diversity of PC hardware, it could just be that I was lucky to have fully compatible hardware.

I don't agree : Dungeon Hunter 4 is very laggy on my tab and i am not playing that game anymore due to that issue. But i have played many hours to The Bard's Tale and it worked nearly perfectly (it would lag only when a lot of characters and huge effects, that means about 10 seconds every 4 hours) and bard's tale is imo more beautiful than dh4 and still it was developed in 2012 when hd screens were very rare. So imo the dh4 lag issue comes from poor design and programming.
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda app-developers app

huy_lonewolf said:
I agree with you that eventually 1920x1080 will be a common resolution for Android devices, but I still believe Tegra 3 is too weak to run those games at full HD resolution (all Full HD devices I know have either a Snapdragon S4 Pro or Snapdragon 600 to power that many pixels). I have seen quite a few games that lag miserably on my tf700, even if it is optimized for Tegra. Example, Beach Buggy Blitz (running at max setting of this game is a big no-no on my tf700).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's primarily the I/O issue, not the Tegra 3.
The problem is that games are optimized for snapdragons because that's what the hyped, common-cattle owned devices (SGS3/4 & GT2) run.
SoulCraft THD: Perfectly.
SHADOWGUN THD: Perfectly.
Samurai II: Vengeance THD: Perfectly.
Puddle THD: Perfectly.
Zombie Driver THD: Perfectly.
Renaissance Blood THD: Runs well.
The Bard's Tale: Fine.
N.O.V.A. 3: Some issue with green images in main menu/intro, Game itself runs fine.
So no, it's not the Tegra 3. It's lazy developers and crap engines.
As for Skyrim, I really have no complaint about frame drop and stuttering, it runs quite smoothly on my laptop. Nevertheless, given the diversity of PC hardware, it could just be that I was lucky to have fully compatible hardware.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
It's since been fixed in the patches. The issue occured during the first 3 updates (including vanilla base.). At one point I had backwards flying dragons that spun around breathing fire in mid air and stopped every few seconds as the game froze and unfroze :laugh: The engine Skyrim runs on is 12 years old, and instead of using a clean version they retasked the Fallout one with all the coding still cluttering it.

The main fault in this tablet is the i/o. Everything else is perfectly big enough to run the screen. With such crappy i/o, the tablet cannot cache applications at a rate needed, especially for files made for Full HD screens. This can be solved with a B2R tpye script or Data2SD. With Data2SD, even on a pretty cheap card, the tablet runs much much smoother. This is why the browser on stock runs so terribly. The internal i/o cant cache it fast enough. So, the Tega 3 is more then enough of power, but the problem is the i/o, which can only even start to be tweaked by unlocking/rooting, but even then there is no fix.
Tylor
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using Tapatalk HD
ROM: CromiX 4.5 DeOdex
Kernel: MaxKernel V2

Tylorw1 said:
The main fault in this tablet is the i/o. Everything else is perfectly big enough to run the screen. With such crappy i/o, the tablet cannot cache applications at a rate needed, especially for files made for Full HD screens.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
GPU performance has nothing to do with I/O.
I/O is slow for random writes, yes - but games usually don't write a lot to storage. The GPU is slow because it is simply not very powerful. See here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6036/asus-transformer-pad-infinity-tf700t-review/4
With good programming, it can drive the full HD screen with acceptable framerate (see Epic Citadel), but apparently not every engine is so well optimized.

codeinish said:
The tf700 is too weak for this game (and others...).
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
I notice the Nook HD+ that also has a 1080p display seems to play games smoother than the 700. Performance is about in between the 700 and 300, with the 300 being better overall.
The 4470 gpu is more robust for higher def displays and has dual channel memory, but a dual core. I would have expected the net result to be a wash, but does seem the dual channel memory might be the difference.
For game emulators though that are cpu heavy like MAMEreloaded, the Nook is a little faster. Gets hot in the bottom right corner though.

horrible
Yeah i tried this game. Changed graphics settings in game to lowest and had performance mode on and it still lagged like crazy. Not really my kind of game to begin with so it didn't upset me too badly, but i would have expected more from such a high end tablet.

I have uninstalled the game today : too laggy and i still believe that its code is bad (bard's tale is so much smoother on my same tab)
Sent from my ASUS Transformer Pad TF700T using xda app-developers app

I know this is a bit of an old thread, I just not stumbled upon it. I've been using cromi-x for quite some time, and on earlier versions I didn't have much issue until I got into higher levels where more monsters generated, then it would lag briefly and go back to normal. As of lately I haven't even been able to play the game. I've played a few other games that seem to have similar features and get zero lag. Though I'm not a coder or developer, I feel that this is a issue with the game itself combined with i/o limitations of our tablet. SDBags has done some amazing work on his rom. I've tried all sorts of kernel and tweak combinations, none of which seem to correct the issue. To make the issue worse I was level 42 and lost my entire game and $40 worth of purchases that gameloft has yet to refund me. That, of course doesn't have anything to do with the laggy issue. I thought I would bump the thread to see if anyone else has come up with anything.

[Q] Lost boy with a Nvidia Shield

So!
I finally own the Nvidia Shield.
I bought it mainly for emulators. I'm not interested in streaming PC games (I don't have a compatible graphics card in my PC).
I have unlocked the bootloader and rooted it.
My first reaction is that the Nvidia Shield is almost TOO powerful. Will there ever be an app, or game or emulator to max it's potential?
I'm not saying it's most powerful thing ever and that it will never be topped, but powerwise it feels a bit avant-garde for a handheld console.
I got a little disappointed when I tried Reicast.
It runs fine, but there's too many graphical glitches for it to be playable IMO.
No disrespect towards the developer. He has done and is still doing amazing work on the app, but I was hoping it would be more playable.
I have no doubt that if development continues, Reicast will run flawlessly on the Shield.
What fun is there to do with the Nvidia Shield?
Anything I should give a try? Emulator wise or just some Android game that is fun to play?
Will it ever be able to run a PS2 or Gamecube emulator on it's own, not streaming from a PC?

Well I've had two since launch date and love the shield still on bench scores out preformed the note 3 and as far as ps2 and GameCube or any emulator its not so much about the power of the device your trying to run it on as it is how well the person that coded the emulator did on coding it for our device and android because if for say you could put a ps2 disc in the shield and it was coded for ps2 it would run ten times better then the old ps2 hardware get me? A lot of people don't understand how that works so I just wanted to clear things up also game wise portal is coming soon to shield I love mc4 a lot and mapped mc3 and love it as well there's lots of shield supported games just gotta browse also some ouya games will work fine on shield sorry this is so long just wanna help anyway I can

You should Google something like: cool thing to do with Android. You have a rooted Android device so you can do anything you want, it's nearly unlimited potential.
It's a good device to use as a dedicated HTPC connected to the TV, you can control it using bluetooth or using another Android phone via DroidMote. Considering it have USB OTG you can connect a harddrive to it and use it as a DLNA server. It make a decent offline GPS as well.
PS. It won't be powerful enough to emulated PS2 (well).
sent via tapatalk

Nvidia Grid blew me away. That capability poises Nvidia to become the Netflix of gaming.
Sent from my GT-N8013 using XDA Premium HD app

hers something
the shield is a tegra 3 backwards compatible device, and I found, when I rooted my ouya and extracted the amazing frog apk, and installed it on shield, to my amazement it worked, I have a video of it on youtube, just search the amazing frog on shield or something along those lines.

mudflap2.0 said:
the shield is a tegra 3 backwards compatible device, and I found, when I rooted my ouya and extracted the amazing frog apk, and installed it on shield, to my amazement it worked, I have a video of it on youtube, just search the amazing frog on shield or something along those lines.
Click to expand...
Click to collapse
Super crate box is also FANTASTIC on the shield, EVERYONE needs it.
The game is free, it should be ok to post here.
Obviously someone take this down if it's against any rules. (I don't think it is, It's free)
http://www.ouyalytics.com/app/45-Super-Crate-Box/ :good:
It should be noted that you can play this on any other device, as long as you have a controller.

here is the video if anyone was interested, I had a cold when I filmed it, but all is good now! http://youtu.be/hBO8i3a9wg0