The big question is what will everyone plan on using their Surface tablet for? I will definitely use mine primarily for developing windows 8/WP7 & WP8 apps (as I plan on getting that oh so beautiful Intel version). I also want to use it as a streaming video device. I am sure I will use it for more, but this is all i can immediately use it for.
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I definitely plan to get it as laptop replacement and build a new PC. As well as getting the touch cover and the pen to use in college for taking notes and such. Also, I'm really curious as to what the.specs of the gpu will be on the Intel version.
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I will definitely get Surface with the new WP8. Will be using it as my laptop replacement + tablet when I were out
Laptop replacement for school, visual studio development, hopefully an Ubuntu dual boot to compile otg.
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Mostly windows desktop programs with some media reading in tablet mode. Does anyone know the GPU for the Pro tablet?
Not confirmed.
i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?
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i5 ivyb processing and possibly 4000 graphics.
I'm not sure if there will be any solutions for a great egpu?
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if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business
I will use it to easily take orders from my clients, but also to watch movies,etc... and play a bit ^^
Maybe also to do a bit of C++.
Hope the battery is good.
And the most important : Dual Boot Windows 7/ Windows 8
@luigi90210 : AMD hasn't stop from doing CPU. Even if they are surpassed by intel for classic CPUs, their APU (A8,A6) have very good IGP ^^
But I thuink the Surface won't have any graphics apart from the HD4000 !
well i will use it for replacement my laptop..
Uncertain if it can boot Android short of blue stacks?
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You'll be getting alllllll the girls fo sho !
6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.
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if its Intel the integrated graphics will suck, the only company that has awesome integrated graphics was amd but they stopped making processors because Intel ran them out of that business
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Intel 4000 are meant to be okay for a integrated intel gpu.
The x86 version will have a Corei5 ivy bridge processor.
The ARM version will have a tegra 3.
Think that whether it will be successful will all be dependent on price.
I plan on purchasing the Pro version and using it for use in the education field and general usage -- multimedia, etc.
I think they only said that the demonstration unit was running ivy bridge, they said it would run an i5 though so there is a chance we might get haswell, after all the pro version is being released 3 months later.
If it does run haswell, i'll be getting one for note taking, coding, light CAD work and so on for uni.
The same as most of you, for school. My iPad just isn't productive enough.
Looking to get the pro version for intel compatibility. I'm aiming to get 1 and use it for my DJing running the Necessary Pioneer software to catalogue my music and also a possible expansion and run it as a touch screen dmx light controller.
As well as the usual internet, web tv , email etc....
i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy
Surface will replace my iPad (already sold it) and my Macbook Pro.
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i can use this tablet when i travel
because use a notebook or ultrabook, i find it s heavy
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Ultrabooks. Heavy. What are you, a smurf?
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6 months after release, I'll buy a pro off craigslist for 70% off retail, and shoehorn mac os onto it for a cool kitchen hackintosh.
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Why would you step so far *backwards*? As a Mac owner, I'll tell you right now: OSX is crap. I'm looking forward to dumping my MBP
Have been using OneNote with a X200T for over 5 years now, the surface seems to be perfect for that.
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I think the time is near.
Linux Specific:
* Added support for ARM processor architecture (with TI OMAP3 and NVIDIA Tegra 2 as reference)
* Added OpenMAX Video Acceleration support (requires OpenMax IL compatible hardware, like Tegra2
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The above was stated on changelog for the new stable XBMC release.
I am not expert on these things but is it really time for XBMC on Android tablets and phones?
This would be a great app for android,can anyone express their opinions in regard? Can it be done?
I would love to see this for my Xperia X10a.
How would xbmc bring anything worthwhile to a mobile platform? Don't get me wrong, I love xbmc... On my tv.
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How would xbmc bring anything worthwhile to a mobile platform? Don't get me wrong, I love xbmc... On my tv.
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In light of the upcoming Atrix 4G with their media hub, this would be perfect for a portable xbmc which you can take anywhere with you (especially when you have to travel).
Open the doors and bring forth XBMC........ please?
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Those are two very specif SOC reference designs with limited availability in todays market. The Nexus One for example runs the MSM SOC, and Tegra2 phones were just announced this week.
It chapped my hide to find out that there are nearly full blown XBMC installs available now for iOS devices like the iPad and iPhone 4. How can there not be one in development for the Tegra 2 with existing tablets using that processor already available for purchase for less than $400...?
Yeah, with the elocity a7 @ $299 boasting a tegra 2 and 512 mb of RAM someone should jump on it.
*bump*
Do want.
Are there any news?
the majority of the libraries aren't a problem in a distribution sense, the NDK has support for that. the problem is the core ones, libc etc. Those which means a custom compiler. This won't do for market inclusion I bet. You can surely do a custom rom and just use the standard arm compiler but it would never be acceptible on market.
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http://forum.xbmc.org/showthread.php?t=84194&page=7
just a thought what if it is coded for android live?
Ios version works really we on my iPhone 4. I was completely gob smacked to find out there wasn't a version that could run on my android tablet. Make no sense at all that to open source system dosen't have It while the Analy retentive ios has a fully fledged functional version.
I wouldn't mind some news on this either. I had an Ubuntu 10.04 box, built from spare computer parts, serving as my XBMC hub. I wouldn't mind a smaller more portable version.
I'd love an update too.
It won't work until someone compiles all the libraries XBMC depends on (it's a lot) for Android.
Someone had said they were going to do that, but that was about a month ago and no one has chimed in since then.
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wonder if they re doing it.....
i use xbmc on my apple tv 2 (the thing is USELESS without it...) and would really love to have this on either my phone or an android tablet if/when I decide to buy one.
Consider me confused as well at how ios has xbmc yet android doesnt? really???
I have been waiting for this for a long time
I have been waiting for this since before they released it for ios devices. I would pay good money for the ability to run xbmc on my android devices! If I knew how I would have given it a try but maybe someone who is talented at these things could do there magic. If there is anyone out there working on this it would be fantastic for all of us Android/XBMC users. I just think it suits the android devices better anyways bigger screens faster processors more freedom. Thanks and Please!!
http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/11/viewsonic-viewpad-10-and-10s-hands-on/
I'm just wondering if the one running 2.2 and Tegra2 has a better screen. Aside from that main difference looks to be an HDMI out port.
If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
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If anyone has any interest in hands-on experiences with the ViewPad 10 let me know. This is the tablet that dual-boots Windows 7 and Android 1.6.
I bought one for my wife for Christmas and she is really happy with it. Windows runs well and the touch interface works well. The Android half is only 1.6 but runs really fast and does what she needs to.
Craig
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Is this CPU dual core?
What is the touchscreen? eGalax?
Has vacant mini-pci-e?
Or all the 2 mini pci-e slots are occupied by SSD and Wifi card?
Can you upgrade the RAM from 1 Gb to 2 Gb card?
Is SD card recognised in Grub and can you boot by SD in the current GRUB setup?
Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Looks like the 10s is actually a version of the Vega.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
Though the Tegra 2 is powerful for a passively cooled chipset, it will not power Windows well at all. Need more cpu power and fan cooling.
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Wha?
I was under the impression the only reason Tegra 2 doesn't power Windows currently is that Windows doesn't have an ARM compatible product currently, and that should change by 2012.
As far as Android on intel architecture - that's up to Google. There's no reason that it shouldn't be able to run well unless Google has optimized code in Android especially for ARM vs. x86/x64 since Linux runs well on everything.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
But you don't give people less bang for their buck albeit in a different/new package and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Folks, there is no such thing as a Tegra 2 Windows device. Will not work correctly.
The device has an Intel Atom 400 series chipset and has a fan.
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Not sure what you are saying. The Viewpad 10 is the one with android 1.6 and windows and has the atom processor and fan. The Viewpad 10s is a rebranded advent vega with a tegra 2, running android 2.2.
A fan has noting to do with anything. My windows 7 netbook is passivly cooled. The tegra 2 is more than enough to handle windows, the oly problem being is an arm arcitecture. But hey! We can run windows 95/98 with bochs!
There is absolutely no way that you will ever run Windows 7 on any ARM processor (ie: the Tegra 2). ARM is a totally different and incompatible architecture from x86, which is what Windows 7 runs on.
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Seems like it, just with a different chassis. But why would VS do that?
In essence, if it IS Vega guts then it's no different than a G Tablet except that it has less internal storage + the hdmi port. That would be pretty...what's the word, scammy? Maybe they're trying to 'shed' the G Tablet image.
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I think you got it right there. I would assume the VEGA is a lot more successful (critically-wise) than the GTablet's been so maybe they are looking to leave the Android tablet making to the experts!
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If we're both right, then the premium you are paying is more than likely a manufacturing fee to VEGA and HOPEFULLY some marketing push from Viewsonic to get this thing popular and get a good following for the device. The reason WE want a following... DEVs to MOD it!
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and manage to charge more for it unless you're Apple or evil.
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OR BOTH! LOL!
Actually Froyo-x86 is possible AND released!
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Windows tabs (this one included) are Atom cpu powered and the chipset can not handle Android code beyond 1.6.
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The ViewPad 10 uses the Android-x86 projects port of 1.6. However, those guys just recently released a version of Froyo-x86... and it includes a specific port for the ViewPad 10!
http://www.android-x86.org/releases/release_2_2
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The article says it is only available outside the US. So it looks like they want a tablet both inside and ouside the US. Maybe it is easier for them to choose two tablets that are already approved to work in the corresponding locations, compared to getting the gtablet modified to work outside the US or the Vega modified to work inside.
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You can get a duo 10s from Amazon now "ViewSonic ViewPad10 10.1-Inch Dual Boot Tablet Supports Windows Home Premium and Android OS with Wi Fi/Bluetooth (Black)" for $599.
Do you think that Windows 8 tablets will be able to download and play old school games like Baldur's Gate?
wow! very nice
I don´t think that it will have in build support but I think there will be enough devs, who will make emulators for those games ,especially in ISO format!
So I think there is hope if windows 8 tablets grant enough freedom for programming
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I don´t think that it will have in build support but I think there will be enough devs, who will make emulators for those games ,especially in ISO format!
So I think there is hope if windows 8 tablets grant enough freedom for programming
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Yeah,me too.
Windows 8 and future
The final of 2012 the next generation of Windows is showing the new, the bad is the theme is this last years of humanity (mayas) in tables Windows 8 is the best way of speed and files collection, but Windows 8 in Phones not shore the best way of have this information, iOS And Android the best of world, Windows 8 in desktop is the next and fresh OS great performance, but the future not yet whiter.
I'm very skeptical of Windows 8 right now. If the mobile OS is anything like the desktop OS, I'll have to pass.
Most likely
Isn't android already able to do this? Windows 8 isn't even here yet. I would think that it can, as long as it is somewhat open similar to android. Windows expressed their desire to allow old windows programs to still run on windows 8, so i think compatibility is one of their priorities.
that would be amazing if so
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that would be amazing if so
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Yes it would be amazing, but i don't think so...
Windows on ARM, not at all. It will be a 3 year late ipad.
No emulation, no ISO, locked bootloaders with advanced security features throughout.
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Windows on ARM, not at all. It will be a 3 year late ipad.
No emulation, no ISO, locked bootloaders with advanced security features throughout.
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Maybe Motorola should make it
Hey everyone, I am new to this site and the whole Android Development thing altogether.
I have been researching and pondering an idea of mine for some time now and I have yet to find any answers. I have been looking at an old laptop of mine that I basically just use for movies/surfing as it is pretty outdated (Gateway MX-6959: 1.66GHz CPU, 2GB RAM, Intel Integrated Graphics) but it is fine for older games and emulators. I also have an HTC Amaze 4G Android Phone that has similar Specs (1.5GHx CPU, 1GB RAM, Adreno 220 Graphics).
This question I have is would it be possible to build a small custom case to house the needed hardware and a simple cooling system and use the hardware from any run-of-the-mill Android Smartphone I might be able to get my hands on (1GHz+ CPu, 512MB-1GB RAM, Adreno or similar GPU...which I will root/overclock) to build a Micro PC that runs Android 4.0 and can run emulators (GBA, PS1, etc) as well as Android HD Games like Modern Combat 3, N.O.V.A., etc.
Is it possible to do this? If not, what are the constraints to the project? What all would it entail?
Any information/advice would be greatly appreciated! Thank you.
See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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See no reason why not. Infact there are already quite a few mini pcs on the market running android and thevlikes of raspberry pi are getting android ports
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Yes Android PC, or Ubuntu mobile...
I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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I know things like Raspberry Pi and Via APC are around, but they have extremely limited capability from what I have read...not to mention a weak 600MHz processor. I want to essentially build a mini gaming Android PC. Something closer to a ~1.5GHz CPU with Adreno or equivalent graphics on board.
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Doing a bit more research, I have found something called ODROID-X. IT it using a Samsung Exynos 4412 Cortex A9 Quad Core Processor (1.4GHz), 1GB RAM, and Mali-400 graphics. These seem very similar to my Amaze 4G...maybe even a bit better. Does anyone know if this unit can be overclocked? If so, how far can it be pushed and still be stable? As I stated, I want to design it in a custom case that I can rig a small scale cooling unit to in order to keep the OC'ed CPU stable.
I only really want to take on the project if it will be able to handle the higher-end Android games/emulators. Modern Combat 2-3, N.O.V.A. 1-2-3, PS1 emulator, etc.
Sorry for all of the questions by the way, I am still VERY NEW to the whole custom hardware/software scene and I just want to make sure I do everything the correct way.
I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I don't know if it would help but I think you might be able to run an x86 android build on your laptop.
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I could, true...and still may at some point since I have 3 at my disposal. But, I just like the idea of making something new...and I want to learn more about the hardware as well.
a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
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a LiveCD for Android running on x86 platforms
You can also use the disc image in a virtualization application like VirtualBox, VMWare or Microsoft Virtual PC if you want to try the operating system without even rebooting your computer. :cyclops:
I might look into that for other things, but that defeats the purpose of what I am trying to do. I want to BUILD a system. I'm leaning towards the ODROID-X Platform, but I need to figure out developing a custom case than I can mount a couple fans to since I plan to overclock as high as the Samsung Sxynos 1.4GHz Quad Core and MAli-400 graphics can be taken and remain stable. I also need to figure out what type of power supply I would need to use since the ODROID-X uses 5V / 2A, I don't know how I would need to set it up to plus into a wall outlet.
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Get a big enough tablet, attach a keyboard, and you have an Android PC.
But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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But seriously, Android is based on a linux kernel, I think ubuntu would be like an android pc.
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Ubuntu is nothing like android. It's a full-fledged computer OS; compared to it, android is just a toy.
For that matter, I'm not sure why you'd prefer android for a computer, but whatever floats your boat.
you won´t be able to run N.o.v.a 3 or any of those games on a androidx86 image, because those games are compiled for arm not x86.
Just buy an Ouya.
When I say PC, I think I messed up, I simple meant a system in a box, plugged into the wall lol. The hardware is ARM, the OS on ODROID-X is 4.0ICS. It's a venture to play Android HD games/websurf with a controller or keyboard and mouse via Bluetooth on an HDTV.
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Tf7000 is a amazing laptop, amazing performance, amazing look.
It kills aliens and doesn't afraid of anything. But yes i agree it's great but not quite a laptop killer for me (though it has been my replacement since my old one died).
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It's a great device, but it hasn't replaced my laptop. Mainly because my laptop is a gaming powerhouse, and I still haven't found a way to run, say, Skyrim, Mass Effect and Crysis on my tablet. (Because, sadly, they don't run on Android. Splashtop doesn't count, that's just turning your tablet into a second monitor.)
Also, there's no real Photoshop (The app works well, but is not advanced enough for professional design use.) and Indesign for Android. (annoyingly..)
But for everything else I pretty much always use my tablet nowadays. Certainly in Uni, no more lugging about my 17.3" 2kg laptop. (And with Splashtop I still have access to all my games when class get boring.. Now I just need more than 0.8kb upload from my isp. The lag is horrible.)
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Tf7000 is a amazing laptop, amazing performance, amazing look.
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I agree fully but it still will never replacement a desktop pc. It will be awhile before a tablet has as much power as a gaming computer . But it will get there, but when it does, I bet desktops and laptops will be bigger and better then we could have ever imagined.
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I can use the tf700 for casual things, but there is no doubt that it won't be able to replace my laptop for a few reasons:
1. Gaming: Skyrim, StarCraft II, Fifa 13, Crysis, etc..., just a few games that current Android hardware cannot handle.
2. Work purpose: Excel + VBA, Outlook are essential for my work, and a lot of the data I use for work can easily put a core i7 processor to a halt. As far as I know, there is no equivalent of Excel on any mobile devices. Even the Windows RT version of Excel cannot handle add-ins and VBA.
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I can use the tf700 for casual things, but there is no doubt that it won't be able to replace my laptop for a few reasons:
1. Gaming: Skyrim, StarCraft II, Fifa 13, Crysis, etc..., just a few games that current Android hardware cannot handle.
2. Work purpose: Excel + VBA, Outlook are essential for my work, and a lot of the data I use for work can easily put a core i7 processor to a halt. As far as I know, there is no equivalent of Excel on any mobile devices. Even the Windows RT version of Excel cannot handle add-ins and VBA.
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Give splashtop thd a try. Still makes use of your laptop, but it turns you tablet into a second monitor over internet. Also has special control setting for skyrim and other games (the thd version does, not the hd and reg). I use photoshop and indesign cs5 a lot, also too heavy for android.
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It's a great device, but it hasn't replaced my laptop. Mainly because my laptop is a gaming powerhouse, and I still haven't found a way to run, say, Skyrim, Mass Effect and Crysis on my tablet. (Because, sadly, they don't run on Android. Splashtop doesn't count, that's just turning your tablet into a second monitor.)
Also, there's no real Photoshop (The app works well, but is not advanced enough for professional design use.) and Indesign for Android. (annoyingly..)
But for everything else I pretty much always use my tablet nowadays. Certainly in Uni, no more lugging about my 17.3" 2kg laptop. (And with Splashtop I still have access to all my games when class get boring.. Now I just need more than 0.8kb upload from my isp. The lag is horrible.)
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How many monitors have you seen that provide you direct control of the game?
Several. Every Multimedia touch pc, for one. (Which is a nightmare in shooters.) I have one at Uni. Needless to say I felt the need to test it on day one. Fun for RTS & HOG, FPS... not so much.
Splashtop merely has an additional overlay that acts as a controller. Still doesn't make ANDROID run the games. If you drag yourself over to your pc/laptop and open it, the game will still be running there. Ergo, Splashtop does not count as actually running the game.
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Several. Every Multimedia touch pc, for one. (Which is a nightmare in shooters.) I have one at Uni. Needless to say I felt the need to test it on day one. Fun for RTS & HOG, FPS... not so much.
Splashtop merely has an additional overlay that acts as a controller. Still doesn't make ANDROID run the games. If you drag yourself over to your pc/laptop and open it, the game will still be running there. Ergo, Splashtop does not count as actually running the game.
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this was never the point of Splashtop THD.
Tegra3, well ARM in general is too weak to run PC games, it can barely run the Android OS on the Transformer.
If you're looking for a tablet to directly run PC games, get a Windows 8 Tablet or Surface Pro.
You appear to completely misunderstand my post.
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