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Possible to port Windows 8 ARM?

Just curious about this, do you think it might be possible to port Windows 8 ARM to our Transformer, Xoom and so on? What would be the system requirements of such a thing?

I love this future questions that nobody know

Just a guess mostly likey yes
I guesses most of the drivers will be exist the development will start fast
But lets wait

Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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microsoft demod windows on arm using a tegra 2, i donno if it was windows 8 as they didnt show the interface only a desktop environment

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mikeseth said:
Actually, we can still start now.
Many people (incl. myself) already have the leaked build 7989
CPU: 1 GHz or faster
RAM: 1 GB ( for 32-bit) and 2 GB (for 64-bit)
Hard disk: 16 GB (for 32-bit) and 20 GB (for 64-bit)
DirectX 9 graphics device with WDDM 1.0 or higher driver
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1) Is it the arm version?
2) is it a legit version.
Between now and forever...depending on licencing...there would prabobly zero development with windows 8 on xda.
Unless the device speciafically comes with it...or ms allows people to install/buy it into a specific target device, distributing a rom containing windows 8 would be like posting a pirated copy of windows.
So as far windows 8 development on the tf, not gonna happen
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Well at least until can put ubuntu on it. That leaves the door open for other Distros.
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With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.

why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.

david279 said:
Windows 8 comes out when? Early 2013?
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March 2012 is the latest I heard (Mary Jo Foley post)
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jerrykur said:
March 2012 OS the latest
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Um thats my birthday.

newtonc said:
With the leak of build 7989, i'd love to see a port for the transformer. In fact, i bought the transformer exclusively because of win8, as I need one note.
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the leak is x64, not arm.
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A msft video which shows a prototype tablet powered by a kal-el quad-core arm soc running windows 8, was really stunning. That should be it.

Sounds like a neat project. There's got to be a significant amount of driver porting work to do though.

Dyskmaster said:
why did you buy this for windows 8? Asus has many almost identical tablets (albeit a bit thicker) that run windows 7 fine. And microsoft said that any computer that could run windows 7 could run windows 8.
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the only other asus tablet runs at $1000+, and has poor battery life. win 8 with arm support will be the way to go.

6 months from now the transformer will look like a piece of crap compared to what will be out. If you want windows 8 the best option would be to buy a new tablet that has it on there. The best point was made on the previous page which stated porting windows will be considered piracy and therefore banned from the forum. IF Microsoft releases windows 8 ARM as an installer (usb,cd,flash chips, who knows...) then there could be guides on here but NO ROMS as Windows is not FOSS. Then there's the price to consider... Don't get me wrong I would love Windows 8 on my TF but be realistic, it's not gonna happen.

it wouldn't be piracy if you were able to provide a legitimate proof of purchase.windows requiresaproduct key so if you went to the store and bought the disk then if someone found a way to modify the install process to run on transformer you could enter your product key and it would be perfectly legit. Allot of hard work but legal nonetheless

I am 100% there will be no Windows 8 development for Asus transformer at least on xda, and the other thing I am pretty sure about that Asus TF won't be able to run it, seriosly you think that Microsoft will make windows 8 so optimized that it work on "smartphone" processor Tegra 2? Nothing against windows, love it, but I think that tegra 2 processors are not powefull enough to run desktop OS. If there will be anykind of port of windows 8 on TF I would install it right away, but what can you do on it having only 1gig of ram? Check email on glitchy IE(I personaly hate it)? And by the time Windows 8 is going to be released, there will be new TF2. So insted of hoping for port of windows 8 on TF, better start saving money for TF2 or Windows 8 tablet which would give full new windows experience insted of ported one!
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Who cares about windows 8, can we boot windows 7 on our TF? as much as I love android 3 it can't be compared to windows.. could we boot it? the TF as duel core cpu while same 10' mini laptops as less powerfull single core..

Is ios superior?

are iPhones and ipod touches far more advanced technically Than the play or other Android phones? I ask because ios app store has some great games like prince of Persia (the ps2 version) yet Android is lagging behind? Why?
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Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.

Selim873 said:
Well, the reason is because Android is widespread and open to many different hardware, as IOS is only available on one identical unit.
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
iOS is much more consistent because there aren't any devices that are stronger or weaker, because they're all the exact same hardware, so optimizing is a cinch, while Android developers have to focus on SO many different devices, processors, etc.
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This.
But ICS is pretty much putting everything behind and putting us ahead of iOS

Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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KindaUndisputed said:
Thanks. Now I understand. So is the play inferior to the iPhone 4s technically?
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If you think PC is inferior to Mac.

Selim873 said:
Think of it this way.
Android is to PC, iOS is to Mac.
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So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux

It was about the hardware, not OS
The Alpha Gamer said:
So what does that make Windows Phone 7?
Android = Linux
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Yes, Android is Linux.
But Selim873 was pointing to hardware fragmentation. You cannot buy a Mac and put the video card you want. You cannot get a mac with the processor you want. There is no Nvidia/Intel/AMD processors to choose from, nor the 32/64 bits thing in Mac.
Apple has complete control over the hardware and you can only buy what they sell and they sell the same thing to everybody. it is not like that on PC, where you can have a PC with different processors/graphic cards/ram/hard disks/whatever you want.
So the fragmentation on Android hardware allows us to have dual screen devices, gamepads, physical keyboards, etc, but it also increases the amount of drivers people need to work with and the amount of optimization needed to release anything. On IOS you have only one thing and everybody have the same, so it is easier to optimize.

I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run

loismustdie555 said:
I sold in my iPhone 4 the instant I heard that you didn't have to "jailbreak" it to install emulators and your own custom apps. So IMO iOS is vastly inferior to android.
Pretty much the same thing when I bought a Mac, traded that in when I realized none of my games could run on it other than Half Life 2 series (which I had already played the he11 out of btw) (Mac OS 5-9 Was better than OS-X ANY day IMO) so I got an Alienware M15X which was more powerful for less money, plus I got a couple of Mac OS 9 PPC's which actually run
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True I have a Ipod and a Ipad as well as the Tablet S and Xperia Play On android the developers are faced with a challenge to optimize the devices for games on IOS they have to do It once forever.
But to get true grip of your IDevice you have to "Jailbreak" and Avoid you warranty .
On android we can custimize Our Stock rom to what ever we Like Home Launchers apps Widgets.
MAC=iDevice
Windowss/Linux=Android
Now look at which one is better you can also download files on the go on android, install different markets upgrade your memory when ever you like etc.....
People think of android as a Slave its a heavy System to run but it payes of in the end .
You decide if you prefer Fixed Specs or Changeable soecs

As an operating system iOS is better than Android. But iPhones in general are not better than Androids. Why? 3.5" screens, that's why .
iOS is very solid, I am a game tester for EA's mobile division and the kind of punishment it takes puts it in front compared to Androids.
But then again iOS is an anti-democratic ****, that gives you absolutely no freedom, so no matter how well built it is, it's still going to be trash from a smartphone's perspective (until you jailbreak it)

unix linux android
Unix=Linux=Android
Unix= 100% coding base.
Linux= 50% Code 50% graphic
Android= Perfect build Graphical System with Coding Support.
Android going to be No 1 sooooooooooooon... cheers...

You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient

AtomicKoala said:
You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Explain how windows isn't secure and efficient if you're not computer savvy?

AtomicKoala said:
You can't compare Android to Windows, Android is at least secure and efficient
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Like I said, Linux

So I dont start my anti-ios rant please see my comment here>http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1256874. I get a but sensitive & worked up when I get myself started talking about freedom.lmao.
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Windows 8 Consumer Preview

Keen to see if Windows 8 will work on the TF101, but lacking the technical ability to attempt to install it, I'm wondering if anyone here has attempted to run the Windows 8 Consumer Preview on their transformer?
If so, how did you do it and did it perform?

Consumer preview is 32 and 64 bit not arm so it will not run
Microsoft also said that the bootloader on arm devices will be locked so you will only be able to get windows 8 arm on devices that come with it

I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.

horndroid said:
I saw on a reputable website a picture of Windows 8 running on a tegra 2 tablet with 1gb ram. So hardware wise, TF101 might be capable.
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thats right microsoft demo'd windows 8 on arm using a tegra 2 tablet with one gig of ram
they showed it when they first showed windows

Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!

farr3ll said:
Thanks all, there is a glimmer of hope it seems!
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Not really. Windows 8 for ARM will not be available to buy separately. It will only come pre-installed on devices.
Perhaps someone skilled will be able to get it to work in some highly unofficial way but they'd have to find a way around the secure bootloader requirements and also figure out how to get hardware drivers for the device in that Windows 8. Unlike Android, Windows 8 isn't open source so 'hackers' will have a harder time getting it on different devices.
Tablets are not like PC's with fairly long upgrade paths available. You buy it as it is and hopefully the manufacturer will keep supporting it for a while with upgrades.
Asus/Microsoft will prefer you to buy a new tablet with Windows 8 pre-installed when it becomes available.

I am not even sure I want to run Windows 8 on a tegra 2 tablet.
Maybe it's just me but tegra 2 already feels pretty slow.

Or you have this for have a windows 8 theme http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1555220

Voice of confidence.!

I am a beginner on this page. I am writing this to backup the other developers on this form. A lot of people who has been going around on the surface forum repeating over and over fat some functions will never work. I've been around modding phones since when Windows Mobile 3 came out back when I was in middle school. I remember when Windows Mobile came out a website called geekstoolbox.com whats the phone for many modders to build custom firmware for Windows Phones. I remembered and middle school it was difficult to make certain improvements because Windows Mobile phones were close systems. I remember then listen to visit on the forum who actually broken too the phone am I allowed a dump of data to flow in Internet of his phone start new custom ROM custom firmware revolution to begin. Afterwards, I begin saying revolutionary products such as wifi tether, Bluetooth tethering, Mobile sharing, and in custom OS. to those web visiting thi about s forum repeating over and over and over, that there would be no Windows based x86 programs on when does RT we'll be eating crow when it finally does happen within the next few months. I see it being possible when you consider if someone will, compile a virtual machine enabling many features of Windows 8 x86. Furthermore, suppose it becomes like parallels Macintosh. In addition, maybe someone will develop 8 translator package for Windows 82 windows Rt to understand each other's programs. all that I am saying is please do not be downers and out other people expressions about this tablet and is always
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I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.

See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
See,! It already possible . I have 1 questions, do they use virtual machines or do they do rely on the Internet
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They use virtual machines, but they're slow to the point of complete uselessness. It takes half an hour to boot XP in them.

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
I meant to end by saying, please do not doubt other people's expressions about this templates capabilities in with the wish to see on this tablet because the possibilities are there and if someone desires it enough it will come to fruition.
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Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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Wine on x86 linux isn't emulating the CPU. This is a critical difference.

schettj said:
Tempered with a dose of reality, when you acknowledge that even a dual core ARM cpu is still very underpowered to emulate a full x86 cpu/environment. If what you want is a good x86 experience, the Surface RT isn't what you want.
That's not saying you can't get a decent toy x86 environment, or really good recompiled for arm desktop apps. Those two work fine.
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I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Maybe not the full experience but something like WINE on Linux. Most people who buys the RT version aren't power PC users and don't require much anyhow , except for a few apps
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It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.

netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
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d'oh! flip flopping between windows phone 8 and windows RT Yep, 4 arm cores. Still like trying to emulate a V8 with an inline4.

netham45 said:
I believe that all the Windows RT devices are quad core right now.
It's really very unlikely that any x86 program bigger than Notepad will ever be usability fast/stable. I'd go read up a bit on emulation and the downsides regarding speed with it. This is the same reason that android tablets, which are quite arguably far more suited for this, can't do anything better than emulate 20 year old OSes, and do that poorly.
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Instead of emulating an entire OS, would anyone entertain the idea of a program translator; A program could be build with the libraries of some main OS'es. Within the translator, when an x86 program is called the programs determines what operating systems' library to use. The translator would then render a version of the program Windows with RT can understand.
Couldn't this be likely.

netham45 said:
There are already two x86 emulators (Bochs and DosBox) for Windows RT. Bochs is slow to the point of being unusable, and DosBox is slow to the point of lagging while playing games from 1992.
x86 will likely never run (games) well on Windows RT, but it does in fact already run.
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I believe I no what the issue with these are.......... Bochs and DosBox do not allow users to control processing cores for each emulation. These emulators need to be updated to take advantage of this feature, it's a blessing for other OS'es

There's already a translator project much like what you describe, actually. It's early alpha quality right now, only able to run a few apps and those slowly and with stability problems, but it's a very promising proof of concept. The developer is using the DOSBox dynamic recompilation engine, optimized for THUMB-2 (ARM variant that Windows uses) with some hacks in it to remove support for stuff that only the kernel has to care about like page tables and whatnot (these hacks apparently substantially increase speed). The recompilation engine is not currently thread-safe, which means it has to run on a single core (although it's possible that the translated program itself might be able to run across multiple cores; I don't know for sure) but the possibility of fixing that is being investigated.
The project is on the Dev&Hacking sub-forum, and there's a download link for it and a (mostly playable) demo of Heroes of Might and Magic 3 as an example of what it can currently do.

Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural

befreshshaveivorysalesoap said:
Can someone point me in the duration to learn about building for ARM. I want to see if I can contribute. In school I am only learning about the x86 and x64 architectural
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Currently this is the porting method: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2096820&highlight=arm
Requires visual studio to cross compile from a desktop windows machine.

Surface running andriod?

Anybody successfully ran native android on the Surface or Surface pro? I sall a video but no Wifi or Bluetooth were working he said. AnywayIf so has anyone heard of any plans for running it on the 2nd Surface?

Surface RT and surface 2, nothing has changed. Use search, there are threads for it already.
Surface pro. Android x86, but its poorly supported. Also Android-IA, poorly supported on the surface but working for one of the samsung tablets.

Right ok... I thought so its a shame that nobodys supporting it to well

Why the lolz would anyone want to run android on a surface pro?

No android apps need the raw CPU performance. Many games dont support x86. Can get a (poor) android tablet for the cost of the type cover for the surface.

So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.

hacktheplant said:
So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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Jar Of Beans is better than bluestacks. Android on x86 devices isn't much better when you factor in driver issues (wifi and bluetooth are often unsupported, even touch and sound go, androidIA only supports specific devices because they only have drivers for those devices) plus any app using the NDK (quite a few, even some of the built in apps) tend to only be compiled for ARMv7, not MIPS or x86, so alot of apps are broken (many of the google defaults thankfully are available in x86 variants, but you cant just copy them from your ARM phone or tablet as they will only have the ARMv7 binary not the x86 binary). Its just awkward.

Aw thats awesome! Interesting but its discontinued I wonder why I hope that doesn't cause and problems

hacktheplant said:
So I can have 3 operating systems that i use most on one machine
Also bluestacks sucks I can't stand it.
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But windows 8 alone can do things android only dreams about...

Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games

hacktheplant said:
Right but andriod has most of my fun with hacking and games
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Windows 8 on x86 has probably more mods and hacks than all versions of android combined...
You can even make it look like windows 95 if you want...

I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!

hacktheplant said:
I know but I haven't gotten in that experience yet lol
It would be awesome if you tell me a few of them!
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