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HTC HD2 UK Release on US 3g

Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
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It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.

crackmonke said:
Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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First: the unlocked HD2 will still get AT&T data on EDGE speeds. that's what the GSM is. it'll pick up EDGE on all 4 of those bands. you're right, you need the 850/1900 bands under the HSPA/WCDMA bands. so therefore, the Euro unlocked HD2 won't get 3G on AT&T's network here.
Second: you could get the phone unlocked from T-MO USA, and you'd only have to SIM unlock it. it's your choice if you wanna flash a HARD SPL and a new radio and ROM. all you need to do in order to use it on AT&T's network is get it SIM unlocked. but you still won't get 3G on AT&T, since T-Mo and AT&T use different 3G bands.

Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?

crackmonke said:
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
and yes, 3G is possible over the 1900 bandwidth. T-Mo uses the 2100 band, but only because that was the only band available to them when they opened their 3G network. T-MO USA is was the last major US carrier to adopt 3G, and are therefore way behind in their development of it. while AT&T, Sprint and VZW are already beginning to develop their 4G networks, T-Mo is still trying to broaden their 3G coverage

poppinpengawen said:
I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.

crackmonke said:
Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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hey man don't worry about it. and it's not really for sure that AT&T won't get it. they lose exclusive rights to the iPhone next year (I think. could be 2011 too tho...) but there's always a chance that they could pick up the HD2. I didn't jump the AT&T ship for the tp2, but if AT&T doesn't get it then I might actually leave.

Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?

crackmonke said:
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
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you're right, UMTS and 3G are the same thing. UMTS is basically normal 3G, while HSDPA is actually more along the lines of 3.5G.
I'm not too sure about what you're asking, but if you're wondering if, since the AT&T Tilt2 utilizes tri-band UMTS (850/1900/2100), will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no. this is simply because AT&T does not use the 2100 band, only the 850/1900 bands. the reason they usually make their phones with tri-band 3G frequencies is so that their subscribers can get some 3G coverage when they travel abroad (whether it's to another state or out of the country.) adding another 3G band allows their subscribers to have more 3G coverage, particularly if they travel out of the country. it all depends on whether the state/country they go to utilizes the 2100 band.
whew, that was a bit of typing. hope I was of some help.

poppinpengawen said:
...will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no...
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?

pckshd said:
Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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rom won't help, since it's a hardware antenna (and software) limitation.

HTC Sensation 3G 850/1900!

Vodafone has a HTC Sensation for sale and lists the 3G MHz has 850/1900/2100
I would like to purchase the HTC Sensation but want to know if this is a typo.
If I purchase this phone from vodafone do you think it will be possible to unlock it? I've been looking for a new phone with 3G that will work on ATT.
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/htc-sensation

its unlock already

west2cool said:
its unlock already
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Yep! They're SIM free.

I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.

Paten said:
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?

samnada said:
Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?
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I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?

Looking at the Gallery for an article at TmoNews, a picture of the box showed the frequencies available on the Sensation 4G.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-branded-htc-sensation-4g-in-the-wild/
The box shows UMTS frequencies are 1700, 2100 and 1900. Isn't 1900 AT&T?
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AT&T uses 850 and 1900 3G. Unless the TMO US Sensation has 850 it won't fly 3G on AT&t.

Walkamo said:
I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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There are some special codes you can dial to display service menus that include the frequencies in use. Don't know them for HTC. Some Googling might turn up the answer.

It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.

Paten said:
It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.
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Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.

kaiserkannon said:
Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.
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That's my understanding as well, 850 and 1900 currently required on ATT to get 3G everywhere.

Walkamo said:
I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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How did you get at US version Sensation, if I may ask?

Paten said:
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol

milestonedude said:
What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol
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AWS advanced wireless services 1700

If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near

drgopoos said:
If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near
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Never, ever, EVER look forward to a Canadian release. We get **** MONTHS after the UK and US if we're lucky!!!
When it comes to new phones, just keep the word "Canada" out of the discussion unless you're emo and look forward to disappointment lol. The thought of acquiring a Canadian version of the Sensation never even crossed my mind. All my phones have always been imported.
The only thing I use carrier upgrades for with my actual service here is so I can sell the phone which makes the most money so I can import a new one. The wireless industry in Canada is way behind even the poorest third world nations.
/rant

unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g

drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Isn't the Vodafone UK version UTMS/HSPA 850/1900/2100?

drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Not quite true if this listing is accurate:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
But it certainly is limited.

[Q] Will the Unlocked One S support T-Mobile AWS?

From what I've read, I believe the answer is "close but no cigar." Am I right? Or should we expect this device to work pretty well at grabbing onto HSDPA signals, but with a little higher battery drain, since the radio would have to work harder?
I have been considering pre-ordering an unlocked, black HTC One S (MAO model) from either Negri Electronics or Expansys, but I don't want to waste my time & money if this phone is, quite literally, a non-starter on the T-Mobile US network.
I'm a former CDMA subscriber and I've only been with TMo for 8-9 months. This would also be my first unlocked phone purchase, so thanks in advance for any insight you guys can offer.

I'm just going to wait and buy it from T-Mobile. Yeah I'll pay full retail but I'll sell my old phone to cover most of the cost; that's kind of how I do my upgrades! I just don't want to worry about it not working. I think it needs 1700 and 2100 bands for 3G/4G to work.

@unclespoon - I hear you, but I'm interested in the black model, which is "micro arc oxidized." I understand that TMoUS is only selling the gradient anodized model. We shall see.
Anyone else with an idea about the likely performance of that unlocked international model on TMo AWS?

Here's the answer to my question from Myriam Joire (@tnkgrl) of @Engadget, via Twitter:
"@malcontent510 the Euro version won't. The US version will. Both are tri-band, one without AWS."​

malcontent510 said:
Here's the answer to my question from Myriam Joire (@tnkgrl) of @Engadget, via Twitter:
"@malcontent510 the Euro version won't. The US version will. Both are tri-band, one without AWS."​
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I don't see any reason why the International version will not support AWS band. Both phones have the same qualcomm chip.
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NardVa said:
I don't see any reason why the International version will not support AWS band. Both phones have the same qualcomm chip.
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it would be silly. The only difference should be the tmobile branding and bloatware. I thought the idea of only three models is to reduce the number of phones you have out there.

TWO different models of the One S: PJ40110 / PJ58100
I am hoping that there is no difference, but I was just quoting what Myriam from Engadget told me. I have since learned on Wikipedia that T-Mobile's HSDPA frequencies (namely "1700 MHz/2100 MHz UMTS AWS") are not specifically listed as covered by the antenna in the international version. The appropriate frequencies may, in fact still be covered, but according to both Negri Electronics and GSM Arena, the unlocked international version does not list them.
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 2100​
I hope this is either not the case or not a show-stopper.
Edit: I now see a 3/12/2012 article from Engadget which indicates there are actually TWO distinctly different ONE S models:
HTC PJ40110
HTC PJ58100
WTF?

So if I buy a One S from the UK, will I only get edge? Or 3G? Thanks! Hoping to buy this phone in December when I'm due for an upgrade
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@invasion2 - that is what I've been asking and which seems to remain an open question. Other than Myriam's tweet (above), no one has attempted to directly answer that question.
HTC Sensation / Tapatalk / Oakland

malcontent510 said:
@unclespoon - I hear you, but I'm interested in the black model, which is "micro arc oxidized." I understand that TMoUS is only selling the gradient anodized model. We shall see.
Anyone else with an idea about the likely performance of that unlocked international model on TMo AWS?
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Ok, sorry for going off topic a tad here but, can you (malcontent510 or anyone who knows of this) link your source for that info...for if it is true then I now have to go back to the drawing board for my idea on which phone I will be getting soon.

malcontent510 said:
@unclespoon - I hear you, but I'm interested in the black model, which is "micro arc oxidized." I understand that TMoUS is only selling the gradient anodized model. We shall see.
Anyone else with an idea about the likely performance of that unlocked international model on TMo AWS?
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kaeruil said:
Ok, sorry for going off topic a tad here but, can you (malcontent510 or anyone who knows of this) link your source for that info...for if it is true then I now have to go back to the drawing board for my idea on which phone I will be getting soon.
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@kaeruil - I based my assumption on the HTC website, here:
http://www.htc.com/us/products/htcones-tmobile
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FWIW, I also refer you to the gradient anodized model which was featured in the leaked video of 3/27/2012 from a YouTube poster who said his unbranded [pre-release] phone was a T-Mobile model.

malcontent510 said:
@invasion2 - that is what I've been asking and which seems to remain an open question. Other than Myriam's tweet (above), no one has attempted to directly answer that question.
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Haha thanks. Don't know why no one is answering
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@malcontent510 - thanks, now that you pointed it out, don't know how I didn't notice that...guess I need some new glasses as well as a new cell

malcontent510 said:
I am hoping that there is no difference, but I was just quoting what Myriam from Engadget told me. I have since learned on Wikipedia that T-Mobile's HSDPA frequencies (namely "1700 MHz/2100 MHz UMTS AWS") are not specifically listed as covered by the antenna in the international version. The appropriate frequencies may, in fact still be covered, but according to both Negri Electronics and GSM Arena, the unlocked international version does not list them.
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 2100​
I hope this is either not the case or not a show-stopper.
Edit: I now see a 3/12/2012 article from Engadget which indicates there are actually TWO distinctly different ONE S models:
HTC PJ40110
HTC PJ58100
WTF?
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The version the clove is selling does support them http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-one-s

TramainM said:
The version the clove is selling does support them http://www.clove.co.uk/htc-one-s
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No. Unfortunately, the international model (including the one mentioned above) sold by Clove does not cover the 1700MHz frequency -- the TMobile US AWS frequency. The end result being that this phone would not support HSPA on TMo.

OK sorry for being off topic, but I'm a bit confused. The One S will or will not support SD/SIM Cards? Because isn't the SD/SIM your phone number? That confuses me. And is there even a difference between SD and SIMs? Thanks! Again, sorry for the off topic. If you want me to I will create my own topic.

So. I may be leaving Sprint and my Evo 3D behind to go to T-mo. I was planning on grabbing an unlocked ONE S. I am not experienced with unlocked gsm phones coming from Sprint and all...
Expansys shows 850/900/1900/2100.
If I understand correctly, t mobile 3g is on the 1700 band. 4g is on the 1900 band. So we would get 4g (hspa+) but not any 3g...
I was planning on the gradient metal version. I don't want to get stuck with a ceramic blue version from T-MOBILE...
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invasion2 said:
OK sorry for being off topic, but I'm a bit confused. The One S will or will not support SD/SIM Cards? Because isn't the SD/SIM your phone number? That confuses me. And is there even a difference between SD and SIMs? Thanks! Again, sorry for the off topic. If you want me to I will create my own topic.
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SIM and SD is not the same thing at all. SD cards (in this case micro SD) are for storage.
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malcontent510 said:
No. Unfortunately, the international model (including the one mentioned above) sold by Clove does not cover the 1700MHz frequency -- the TMobile US AWS frequency. The end result being that this phone would not support HSPA on TMo.
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That's interesting considering the international model and US model carry the same Qualcomm chip. In theory both phones should support the same bands.
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Just got off phone with expansys, they confirmed that it is NOT compatible with T-MOBILE 3G.
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[Q] GSM Support

Anyone know if the Verizon version that was just released also supports GSM and if it's unlocked. I'm planning to use it mainly on Verizon, but would like to be able to pop a SIM card in if I travel.
From what I've read on other Verizon phones - they have to leave 4g devices unlocked as part of their winning the 700MHz spectrum.

I am curious about this too. I am on AT&T and know that the Canadian version should be fully compatible even with LTE, but its much harder to purchase than a VZW one.

Verizon iphone 5 is GSM unlocked and can be used on at&t and T-mobile
Old Razr's and Razr Maxx's were GSM unlocked but only for international usage (were locked for at&t and T-mobile)
Not sure where our new Razr's fall!

i put a tmobile sim card its not working... it can see then sim card and the number but does not connect

^^^ Same here, put it in my AT&T Sim to check, no luck. This phone might be like the previous droids, just unlocked for international. I wonder how Verizon allowed to lock their android devices, but keep the iPhone 5 unlocked. Isn't the FCC requirement required them to have all there LTE phones unlocked?

Anyone know a work around? I'm looking to purchase one to use on t-mobile..

illmatic. said:
Anyone know a work around? I'm looking to purchase one to use on t-mobile..
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+1 but for att&t. I hope this phone gets popular enough that these kinds of things get worked out

jamesbra said:
+1 but for att&t. I hope this phone gets popular enough that these kinds of things get worked out
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Ditto!
Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD!...

What came up when you put the at&t sim in? Did it ask for an unlock code?
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impala67 said:
What came up when you put the at&t sim in? Did it ask for an unlock code?
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No unlock code prompt.. Just states that the AT&T SIM is invalid. The phone lets you load 2 AT&T APNs but nothing happens. Toggling the radio between global and GSM doesn't do anything. I have came to the conclusion Verizon locked down US GSM capabilities.
Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD!...

I guess it's only a matter of time before there are unlocks online.
It sounds like it does in fact have the GSM radio which means it's at least physically possible that it could work on other networks.

The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.

TRF-Inferno said:
The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.
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I wonder what the loophole that Verizon get to use to locked their android LTE phones from use of other us gsm carriers, well the ones that contain gsm radios. I know the recent spectrum deal required them to leave the sim slots unlocked, but was that only referring to the iPhones ? I know the 5 is unlocked and they can hard lock the phone from accessing us gsm carriers easily through a carrier update if they wanted to, example remember sprint iPhone 4S , all the phones released before nov 11 2011 where already gsm unlocked to work on any gsm carrier including us ones. Then they pushed a carrier update to lock the previous phones that were unlocked.

LTE in other Europe?
Hey,
I'd like to buy a Verizon DRHD Maxx to use on EE's LTE network in the UK (1800MHz), but also to use on Verizon when I'm stateside. From what I can gather, it has the physical radios for both 2G and 3G on GSM networks, and is hopefully SIM unlocked for international SIM cards like the original Droid Razr is.
However, on GSM arena, they have only listed 700MHz LTE support - do we know if it is capable of supporting other bands also please (in Europe we use 800/1800/2600)?
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TRF-Inferno said:
The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.
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What does blocking the MNC mean?
So I guess its safe to assume its locked for US GSM carriers but would work with international GSM Sims?
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Sumanji said:
Hey,
I'd like to buy a Verizon DRHD Maxx to use on EE's LTE network in the UK (1800MHz), but also to use on Verizon when I'm stateside. From what I can gather, it has the physical radios for both 2G and 3G on GSM networks, and is hopefully SIM unlocked for international SIM cards like the original Droid Razr is.
However, on GSM arena, they have only listed 700MHz LTE support - do we know if it is capable of supporting other bands also please (in Europe we use 800/1800/2600)?
Thanks,
Suman
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These are the bands that the Droid RAZR MAXX HD (and RAZR HD) support (as taken from the Motorola site).
CDMA 800 1900, LTE B13, WCDMA 850 900 1900 2100, GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 EVDO Rev. A, HSDPA 21.1 Mbps (Cat 14), HSUPA 5.76 Mbps.
Doesn't look like any bands other than 700 are supported.
BTW, are the specs for the RAZR HD the European spec? The Canadian one supports 700/1700/2100 Mhz.

Hey,
Ah that's a bummer could it be that the DRHD is the same hardware as the Canadian version, but they have disabled the 1700 and 2100 MHz band support?
I am unsure if the European or Global versions are pentaband - I'm just going by what GSMArena is saying at the moment (which could well be wrong).
I would really like to have a device that can support LTE on both sides of the pond though
Thanks,
Su

I reaaaallly want to get a Razr MAXX HD, but unfortunately I live in Mexico where the main phone operator (Telcel) takes ages to release phones.
So I guess it's confirmed it does not work with ATT or T-Mobile, but is there any possibility anyone can test it with a GSM network outside the US to confirm that its only locked for the US?

g33ked said:
I wonder what the loophole that Verizon get to use to locked their android LTE phones from use of other us gsm carriers, well the ones that contain gsm radios. I know the recent spectrum deal required them to leave the sim slots unlocked, but was that only referring to the iPhones ? I know the 5 is unlocked and they can hard lock the phone from accessing us gsm carriers easily through a carrier update if they wanted to, example remember sprint iPhone 4S , all the phones released before nov 11 2011 where already gsm unlocked to work on any gsm carrier including us ones. Then they pushed a carrier update to lock the previous phones that were unlocked.
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Verizon's loop hole is that while utilizing LTE Band 13 requires the SIM slot to be unlocked, there are no bindings for them to have to make the device usable on other U.S. carriers.
big ach said:
What does blocking the MNC mean?
So I guess its safe to assume its locked for US GSM carriers but would work with international GSM Sims?
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MNCs are identifier codes that allows for devices to pick up the right host for its network utilization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
MNC blocking is usually done at the radio firmware, in this case, it is likely Verizon has MNC 150 and/or 260 blocked. While the phone can most likely see the signal, it does not allow the end user (The Operating System and the End User) to be able to see nor select it.

big ach said:
Verizon iphone 5 is GSM unlocked and can be used on at&t and T-mobile
Old Razr's and Razr Maxx's were GSM unlocked but only for international usage (were locked for at&t and T-mobile)
Not sure where our new Razr's fall!
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I emailed Verizon and they confirmed that it is GSM unlocked for overseas carriers.

[Q] Anyone using a Canadian Razr HD on T-Mobile USA's LTE network?

Hey,
I have a Fido Razr HD, which afaik supports LTE on bands B4 (AWS 1700/2100MHz) and B17 (700MHz).
T-Mobile are deploying LTE on AWS, right? So in theory the RHD should be able to work without any problems - but has anyone actually tried this out?
I have a T-Mobile SIM on the way, so may have to be a guinea pig for this :silly:
Cheers,
Su

Update... it works :silly:
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3G, 4G? Battery life on LTE?
Sumanji said:
Update... it works :silly:
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Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Also looking for an answer to this, want to pick one of these phones up soon for T-Mobile use thanks in advance!

I am using a Rogers Canadian Lte is working great on T-Mobile where there coverage is
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jmcdonald58 said:
I am using a Rogers Canadian Lte is working great on T-Mobile where there coverage is
Sent from my Galaxy Nexus using XDA Premium 4 mobile app
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That's good to hear. Is the XT925 model the canadian model? Do you know if its possible to get one of the new Droid Maxx's up and running on T-Mobile as well?

Wannagotopopeyes said:
That's good to hear. Is the XT925 model the canadian model? Do you know if its possible to get one of the new Droid Maxx's up and running on T-Mobile as well?
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Yes its the Canadian model -not sure about the maxx

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Hey,
Apologies for the late response. The battery life on LTE is definitely shorter than on 3G only. I was in NYC last week, and was pretty much getting full bars of LTE signal constantly... was just about making it through the day.
The phone does indeed get full HSPA+ in areas where LTE is not available (although it frequently drops back to Edge due to T-Mo's crappy network ). On 3G+ only, the phone easily makes it through the day (usually have 20-30% at the end of the day, after ~2hrs screen time).
I am annoyed that this device hasn't seen any upgrades since January (4.1.2) though... crossing fingers and toes for 4.4, but perhaps in vain
Cheers,
Su

the reverse..?
Im trying to use a verizon firmware on my xt925 (oppisite of yours)
Annoying that it works perfectly to use a canadaian edition in the US but not vise versa

AdamMarkTodd said:
Im trying to use a verizon firmware on my xt925 (oppisite of yours)
Annoying that it works perfectly to use a canadaian edition in the US but not vise versa
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Verizon's LTE is a different radio band, the 925 won't work on VZW LTE without some serious hardware hackery.

T-Mobile US 4G unlimited on Motorola xt925
Sumanji said:
Hey,
I have a Fido Razr HD, which afaik supports LTE on bands B4 (AWS 1700/2100MHz) and B17 (700MHz).
T-Mobile are deploying LTE on AWS, right? So in theory the RHD should be able to work without any problems - but has anyone actually tried this out?
I have a T-Mobile SIM on the way, so may have to be a guinea pig for this :silly:
Cheers,
Su
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I have an unlocked Motorola xt925 and from the first day that I connected it to T- Mobile US regretted this choice. The problem was off course the 4G Lte. I didn' t want to pay their 70$ plan to have unlimited 4G because they don' t really have a 4G coverage so can' t provide this service. More than that my problem was for long time in getting a 4G speed in the phone. Fixed only after 4 or 5 th call.
Why I am posting this ???. Let's say that I was so pissed off on that problem that I rooted and unlocked the phone bootloader, installed almost all androids that are for this phone , tried everything that could find on the forums.
And now I have always, not really, a 4G connection in my phone. Without hack or illegal stuff.
I tried this in every android and it worked.
In this moment I have a 50 $ plan so only 500 mb on 4G, rest of them being or is supose to be only 2G.
Trick: in jelly beam and now in CyanogenMod 11 there is A way to select your Preferred network type. 2G, 3G, 4G.
If you know you are in a 4G area but you don' t have this speed try to select 2G, wait about 30 seconds, in jelly beam till connection is changing in blue and after that go back and select 4G network.
In some ROM there isn't 4 G selection. So I was dialling *#*#4636#*#* and select there Lte/ Gsm connection. After the phone is showing 4G or Lte check the internet speed.
If someone need the prove can provide some screenshots
Now. The problem is that I have to do that everytime when I am loosing the signal. So if the modem will make a 2G connection and after that 4G it will be OK. But it is not like this. Phone is jumping to 4G and the speed is only 0.13 Mb.
OK. I know I am not paying to have more but their service is not as it is show.
So. I would like to know if someone else can do that. Select 2G wait a little bit and select 4G and wait to have the connection. Usually in 2 minutes it is OK.
2. Can someone give an idea how to make the phone to make a 2 G connection and after that the 4 G.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Are you really getting LTE and 4g on this phone by just unlocking it and putting a t-mobile sim card init, if lte and 4g is in the area???

Hey guys for those that will interest, by searching around I find out about this seller http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCK-CODE...25293983?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123#viTabs
They are the cheapest I have encountered so far. there is a thread at the atrix hd forums that many have tried them and it works