[Q] GSM Support - RAZR HD Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Anyone know if the Verizon version that was just released also supports GSM and if it's unlocked. I'm planning to use it mainly on Verizon, but would like to be able to pop a SIM card in if I travel.
From what I've read on other Verizon phones - they have to leave 4g devices unlocked as part of their winning the 700MHz spectrum.

I am curious about this too. I am on AT&T and know that the Canadian version should be fully compatible even with LTE, but its much harder to purchase than a VZW one.

Verizon iphone 5 is GSM unlocked and can be used on at&t and T-mobile
Old Razr's and Razr Maxx's were GSM unlocked but only for international usage (were locked for at&t and T-mobile)
Not sure where our new Razr's fall!

i put a tmobile sim card its not working... it can see then sim card and the number but does not connect

^^^ Same here, put it in my AT&T Sim to check, no luck. This phone might be like the previous droids, just unlocked for international. I wonder how Verizon allowed to lock their android devices, but keep the iPhone 5 unlocked. Isn't the FCC requirement required them to have all there LTE phones unlocked?

Anyone know a work around? I'm looking to purchase one to use on t-mobile..

illmatic. said:
Anyone know a work around? I'm looking to purchase one to use on t-mobile..
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+1 but for att&t. I hope this phone gets popular enough that these kinds of things get worked out

jamesbra said:
+1 but for att&t. I hope this phone gets popular enough that these kinds of things get worked out
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Ditto!
Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD!...

What came up when you put the at&t sim in? Did it ask for an unlock code?
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impala67 said:
What came up when you put the at&t sim in? Did it ask for an unlock code?
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No unlock code prompt.. Just states that the AT&T SIM is invalid. The phone lets you load 2 AT&T APNs but nothing happens. Toggling the radio between global and GSM doesn't do anything. I have came to the conclusion Verizon locked down US GSM capabilities.
Sent from my DROID RAZR MAXX HD!...

I guess it's only a matter of time before there are unlocks online.
It sounds like it does in fact have the GSM radio which means it's at least physically possible that it could work on other networks.

The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.

TRF-Inferno said:
The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.
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I wonder what the loophole that Verizon get to use to locked their android LTE phones from use of other us gsm carriers, well the ones that contain gsm radios. I know the recent spectrum deal required them to leave the sim slots unlocked, but was that only referring to the iPhones ? I know the 5 is unlocked and they can hard lock the phone from accessing us gsm carriers easily through a carrier update if they wanted to, example remember sprint iPhone 4S , all the phones released before nov 11 2011 where already gsm unlocked to work on any gsm carrier including us ones. Then they pushed a carrier update to lock the previous phones that were unlocked.

LTE in other Europe?
Hey,
I'd like to buy a Verizon DRHD Maxx to use on EE's LTE network in the UK (1800MHz), but also to use on Verizon when I'm stateside. From what I can gather, it has the physical radios for both 2G and 3G on GSM networks, and is hopefully SIM unlocked for international SIM cards like the original Droid Razr is.
However, on GSM arena, they have only listed 700MHz LTE support - do we know if it is capable of supporting other bands also please (in Europe we use 800/1800/2600)?
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TRF-Inferno said:
The SIM slot is already unlocked, the reason it does not work on U.S. carriers is because Verizon blocked their MNC.
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What does blocking the MNC mean?
So I guess its safe to assume its locked for US GSM carriers but would work with international GSM Sims?
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Sumanji said:
Hey,
I'd like to buy a Verizon DRHD Maxx to use on EE's LTE network in the UK (1800MHz), but also to use on Verizon when I'm stateside. From what I can gather, it has the physical radios for both 2G and 3G on GSM networks, and is hopefully SIM unlocked for international SIM cards like the original Droid Razr is.
However, on GSM arena, they have only listed 700MHz LTE support - do we know if it is capable of supporting other bands also please (in Europe we use 800/1800/2600)?
Thanks,
Suman
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These are the bands that the Droid RAZR MAXX HD (and RAZR HD) support (as taken from the Motorola site).
CDMA 800 1900, LTE B13, WCDMA 850 900 1900 2100, GSM 850, 900, 1800, 1900 EVDO Rev. A, HSDPA 21.1 Mbps (Cat 14), HSUPA 5.76 Mbps.
Doesn't look like any bands other than 700 are supported.
BTW, are the specs for the RAZR HD the European spec? The Canadian one supports 700/1700/2100 Mhz.

Hey,
Ah that's a bummer could it be that the DRHD is the same hardware as the Canadian version, but they have disabled the 1700 and 2100 MHz band support?
I am unsure if the European or Global versions are pentaband - I'm just going by what GSMArena is saying at the moment (which could well be wrong).
I would really like to have a device that can support LTE on both sides of the pond though
Thanks,
Su

I reaaaallly want to get a Razr MAXX HD, but unfortunately I live in Mexico where the main phone operator (Telcel) takes ages to release phones.
So I guess it's confirmed it does not work with ATT or T-Mobile, but is there any possibility anyone can test it with a GSM network outside the US to confirm that its only locked for the US?

g33ked said:
I wonder what the loophole that Verizon get to use to locked their android LTE phones from use of other us gsm carriers, well the ones that contain gsm radios. I know the recent spectrum deal required them to leave the sim slots unlocked, but was that only referring to the iPhones ? I know the 5 is unlocked and they can hard lock the phone from accessing us gsm carriers easily through a carrier update if they wanted to, example remember sprint iPhone 4S , all the phones released before nov 11 2011 where already gsm unlocked to work on any gsm carrier including us ones. Then they pushed a carrier update to lock the previous phones that were unlocked.
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Verizon's loop hole is that while utilizing LTE Band 13 requires the SIM slot to be unlocked, there are no bindings for them to have to make the device usable on other U.S. carriers.
big ach said:
What does blocking the MNC mean?
So I guess its safe to assume its locked for US GSM carriers but would work with international GSM Sims?
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MNCs are identifier codes that allows for devices to pick up the right host for its network utilization.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mobile_Network_Code
MNC blocking is usually done at the radio firmware, in this case, it is likely Verizon has MNC 150 and/or 260 blocked. While the phone can most likely see the signal, it does not allow the end user (The Operating System and the End User) to be able to see nor select it.

big ach said:
Verizon iphone 5 is GSM unlocked and can be used on at&t and T-mobile
Old Razr's and Razr Maxx's were GSM unlocked but only for international usage (were locked for at&t and T-mobile)
Not sure where our new Razr's fall!
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I emailed Verizon and they confirmed that it is GSM unlocked for overseas carriers.

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HTC HD2 UK Release on US 3g

Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
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It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
crackmonke said:
Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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First: the unlocked HD2 will still get AT&T data on EDGE speeds. that's what the GSM is. it'll pick up EDGE on all 4 of those bands. you're right, you need the 850/1900 bands under the HSPA/WCDMA bands. so therefore, the Euro unlocked HD2 won't get 3G on AT&T's network here.
Second: you could get the phone unlocked from T-MO USA, and you'd only have to SIM unlock it. it's your choice if you wanna flash a HARD SPL and a new radio and ROM. all you need to do in order to use it on AT&T's network is get it SIM unlocked. but you still won't get 3G on AT&T, since T-Mo and AT&T use different 3G bands.
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
crackmonke said:
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
and yes, 3G is possible over the 1900 bandwidth. T-Mo uses the 2100 band, but only because that was the only band available to them when they opened their 3G network. T-MO USA is was the last major US carrier to adopt 3G, and are therefore way behind in their development of it. while AT&T, Sprint and VZW are already beginning to develop their 4G networks, T-Mo is still trying to broaden their 3G coverage
poppinpengawen said:
I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
crackmonke said:
Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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hey man don't worry about it. and it's not really for sure that AT&T won't get it. they lose exclusive rights to the iPhone next year (I think. could be 2011 too tho...) but there's always a chance that they could pick up the HD2. I didn't jump the AT&T ship for the tp2, but if AT&T doesn't get it then I might actually leave.
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
crackmonke said:
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
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you're right, UMTS and 3G are the same thing. UMTS is basically normal 3G, while HSDPA is actually more along the lines of 3.5G.
I'm not too sure about what you're asking, but if you're wondering if, since the AT&T Tilt2 utilizes tri-band UMTS (850/1900/2100), will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no. this is simply because AT&T does not use the 2100 band, only the 850/1900 bands. the reason they usually make their phones with tri-band 3G frequencies is so that their subscribers can get some 3G coverage when they travel abroad (whether it's to another state or out of the country.) adding another 3G band allows their subscribers to have more 3G coverage, particularly if they travel out of the country. it all depends on whether the state/country they go to utilizes the 2100 band.
whew, that was a bit of typing. hope I was of some help.
poppinpengawen said:
...will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no...
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
pckshd said:
Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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rom won't help, since it's a hardware antenna (and software) limitation.

Droid razr maxx hd verizon is working in EUROPE?

Hey,
I'm french and I would like to buy a razr maxx hd ... But only Verizon has this phone and we don't know if it arrives in europe soon..'
Do you think if the phone is working at 100%?
I want it!!!!!
Thank you...
The phone should be able to function perfectly on any GSM network outside the US.
minhgurluver said:
The phone should be able to function perfectly on any GSM network outside the US.
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You're sure?
Could you have a confirmation from verizon?
ilan78 said:
You're sure?
Could you have a confirmation from verizon?
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The sim slot is unlocked for international use.check the bands available for the radios to make sure it's ok for use on your carrier.lte is probably not compatible on this one.
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koftheworld said:
The sim slot is unlocked for international use.check the bands available for the radios to make sure it's ok for use on your carrier.lte is probably not compatible on this one.
Sent from my DROID RAZR HD using Tapatalk 2
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So do you think it's not compatible in France? You are in USA? Could you ask at VERIZON for me?
ilan78 said:
So do you think it's not compatible in France? You are in USA? Could you ask at VERIZON for me?
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The phone itself is plus the gsm bands are. Moto website or check phone arena for exact bands. Lte bands probably won't be.just email Verizon if you don't want to look it up.
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Yes it works in Europe
I was in Switzerland last week with a Razer HD and used it with Orange's prepaid service. I was getting a solid 10 mbs download on their HSPDA+ 21 network. The one annoying thing is it asks for the sim unlock code every time you restart the phone.
Kristin
ilan78 said:
You're sure?
Could you have a confirmation from verizon?
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have a look here, http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Motorola-DROID-RAZR-MAXX-HD_id7484
look down the bottom of the page in the Technology section at what bands it supports, and then just look up what bands your carrier in france supports
im in the same boat myself, im either going to get the Razr i or else going to buy one of these from the states, even if i have to put up with fugly logos all over my phone, the battery would definitely be worth it!
the carrier im with here in Ireland works on 2100 MHz band UMTS and the specs on phonearena says it supports that band so it might be ok... im not 100% percent sure either though
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I was in Switzerland last week with a Razer HD and used it with Orange's prepaid service. I was getting a solid 10 mbs download on their HSPDA+ 21 network. The one annoying thing is it asks for the sim unlock code every time you restart the phone.
Kristin
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did it ask for the code just in Europe or do you mean that is a problem thats there all the time?
I assume the phone is locked. A SIM unlocked code is needed when providers lock their phone and you need to enter a code to make it work with other providers sim card.
If your carrier uses the UTMS 2100MHz band, it should work. My carrier is using the 2100 MHz band also and I am having no problems.
If you do not know what frequency your carrier operates on, just post your carrier and we can help you.
Be aware that if your country has 3G dead spots (not really applicable for me) the phone will not work on the 2G network, if it is also operating on 2100Mhz. So, no 3G, no network.
Also, LTE WILL NOT work.
Finally, check if you need an unlock code
matthew5025 said:
I assume the phone is locked. A SIM unlocked code is needed when providers lock their phone and you need to enter a code to make it work with other providers sim card.
If your carrier uses the UTMS 2100MHz band, it should work. My carrier is using the 2100 MHz band also and I am having no problems.
If you do not know what frequency your carrier operates on, just post your carrier and we can help you.
Be aware that if your country has 3G dead spots (not really applicable for me) the phone will not work on the 2G network, if it is also operating on 2100Mhz. So, no 3G, no network.
Also, LTE WILL NOT work.
Finally, check if you need an unlock code
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ah i was forgetting all about that sim lock. thanks for the reminder just did a quick search and so far iv only found a site that unlocks the RAZR HD, no MAXX so ill have to wait and find one of those first
also here in Ireland the 3 network is 3G and then they use Vodaphone's network for their 2G. which is the 900 & 1800 frequencies (and the MAXX HD supports those two) so would the phone switch down to those when there isnt an 3G available?
savagecabage said:
ah i was forgetting all about that sim lock. thanks for the reminder just did a quick search and so far iv only found a site that unlocks the RAZR HD, no MAXX so ill have to wait and find one of those first
also here in Ireland the 3 network is 3G and then they use Vodaphone's network for their 2G. which is the 900 & 1800 frequencies (and the MAXX HD supports those two) so would the phone switch down to those when there isnt an 3G available?
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Yes it will.
Hey,
I'm trying to verify if the phone will work globally while still here in the US. I have a few SIM cards that fit in the phone:
- VZW (provided with the phone)
- TMobile
- ATT
- Virgin Mobile Australia
When I put the Australian SIM card in the phone, it starts up OK and doesn't ask for an unlock code (but it does say something to the effect of the SIM is from an unknown carrier) but I can't get any signal and the phone # listed under about phone still shows my VZW phone #. The TMobile and ATT SIMs exhibit the same behavior, so perhaps this is to be expected...
Here's the strange thing, for the TMobile & ATT SIMs I see some Access Point Names listed under the networks option in settings. When I put the Australian SIM in, no APNs are listed. This is particularly odd because my older phone, a Droid Pro, shows an Australian APN when I put the SIM in that phone...
Can anyone else with some foreign SIM try this on the US/Verizon version and see what happens...? Is there any way to verify that the phone will work on foreign networks without leaving the US?
Thanks!
Dan
Currently I am using a Maxx HD in Australia using a local sim and have had no problems. You do NOT need an unlock code. Just insert the sim and you are good to go.
koala72 said:
Currently I am using a Maxx HD in Australia using a local sim and have had no problems. You do NOT need an unlock code. Just insert the sim and you are good to go.
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Great -- thanks for the info -- I figured it was VZW blocking the US GSM towers. Just to confirm, you're using the Verizon version, right? (It says Verizon on the bottom of it)
koala72 said:
Currently I am using a Maxx HD in Australia using a local sim and have had no problems. You do NOT need an unlock code. Just insert the sim and you are good to go.
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Hi Koala,
As you mentioned you have the HD Maxx version, can you confirm or deny that the 4G part of the phone works on either Telstra, or Optus here in Australia? I'm reading conflicting reports are this.
This site says no to both networks of the non Maxx version (mobicity.com.au/motorola-xt925-razr-hd.html]), yet Telstra is selling it as a 4G phone. Motorala say the HD Maxx "isn't compatible" with Australian 4G networks.
So, I'm thinking that some where, someone is telling porkies...? I hope that makes sense...
Cheers,
Steve
Data conection outside USA
I use DROID RAZD MAXX HD in Poland on GSM network.
It works OK but I dont now how to turn on DATA CONNECTION on this phone.
Could You help me?
Regards
RJ
rafjak said:
I use DROID RAZD MAXX HD in Poland on GSM network.
It works OK but I dont now how to turn on DATA CONNECTION on this phone.
Could You help me?
Regards
RJ
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You need to look up the "apn settings" for your carrier.
IT WORKS !!!!
Thanks a lot !
Regards
RJ
There are 2 models of razr hd:
- DROID RAZR HD (HSPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 and LTE 700)
- RAZR HD (HSPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600)
As you can see there is a diference is in LTE band, therefore DROID RAZR HD LTE will not work in Europe 3G will work but not 4G!! because in Europe there are different bands for LTE.
The easiest way to pick the right one is to look at the color of the box, DROID RAZR HD is in black one and RAZR HD is in red box.
pgniady said:
There are 2 models of razr hd:
- DROID RAZR HD (HSPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 and LTE 700)
- RAZR HD (HSPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100 LTE 800 / 1800 / 2600)
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Actually, there are at least three models - this is the Canadian Razr HD:
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ANSWER: Verizon LTE is not compatible with AT&T, Rogers, or any other provider.

Same question over and over, no-one searches the 10+ times it's been answered already.
IF you want to use LTE on a Razr HD on AT&T, Rogers, Fido, or internationally, you have to get the XT925. The Verizon-specific XT926 is bootlocked, carrier-locked, and doesn't support LTE on any other carrier. That's why it's locked to Verizon. In order to support all the CDMA data bands, they apparently intentionally gimped the LTE support.
Bottom line, if you have Verizon, buy a xt926. Everyone else, get a xt925. And no, there is no Razr Maxx HD anywhere else than Verizon currently.
ALSO! The XT925 is the only model with an unlockable bootloader currently. If you have a XT926, you can run a hacky-workaround to run custom roms... However all the development I've seen thus far is either XT925 or XT926 focused, and there isn't unification between the two... yet.
Ha. It's not that it's SIM locked (it *is* if you try to use it on AT&T) -- it's that Rogers/Bell/TELUS have different LTE frequencies. The Verzion version only supports LTE 700 MHz Class 13, while the Canadian providers use LTE on 1700/2100/2600.
So, if the Verzion version of the phone supported those frequencies it would work the same. But it's *not* a case of being locked at the SIM level, except AT&T/T-Mobile.
pfak said:
Ha. It's not that it's SIM locked (it *is* if you try to use it on AT&T) -- it's that Rogers/Bell/TELUS have different LTE frequencies. The Verzion version only supports LTE 700 MHz Class 13, while the Canadian providers use LTE on 1700/2100/2600.
So, if the Verzion version of the phone supported those frequencies it would work the same. But it's *not* a case of being locked at the SIM level, except AT&T/T-Mobile.
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I never said Sim locked. I said carrier locked. Does it work on all carriers? No. Therefore it is locked, don't you agree?

Rogers Razr HD XT925 on Verizon?

Based on what I have read, given that the Rogers XT925 operates on the following bands:
Rogers version is GSM/UMTS - 850/900/1800/1900 and LTE : BAND 4 (700) and BAND 17 AWS (1700)
It is therefore impossible for it to work in the USA on Verizons network on either CDMA (which the phone does not support) or LTE (which it supports but the wrong band, Verizon supports 700 Band 13)
Can anyone confirm this? If it is possible to operate this phone on Verizon please let me know. I have a Verizon account and an AT&T account and the phone works on the AT&T account, but not the Verizon. My problem is that AT&T has recently blocked the IMEI on TWO of my Rogers phones that I travel with, with no explanation other than that they are being recognized as 2G phones and cannot get service on AT&T (which is BS, because I can roam with my Rogers SIM from my Galaxy S3 onto AT&T just fine), so AT&T is clearly blocking IMEI's of phones that come from other providers and are unlocked. I cannot see how this is good business for AT&T, or even legal, and I imagine one day there will be a class action suit to stop this practice.
My two cents...
BluePlanetMan said:
Based on what I have read, given that the Rogers XT925 operates on the following bands:
Rogers version is GSM/UMTS - 850/900/1800/1900 and LTE : BAND 4 (700) and BAND 17 AWS (1700)
It is therefore impossible for it to work in the USA on Verizons network on either CDMA (which the phone does not support) or LTE (which it supports but the wrong band, Verizon supports 700 Band 13)
Can anyone confirm this? If it is possible to operate this phone on Verizon please let me know. I have a Verizon account and an AT&T account and the phone works on the AT&T account, but not the Verizon. My problem is that AT&T has recently blocked the IMEI on TWO of my Rogers phones that I travel with, with no explanation other than that they are being recognized as 2G phones and cannot get service on AT&T (which is BS, because I can roam with my Rogers SIM from my Galaxy S3 onto AT&T just fine), so AT&T is clearly blocking IMEI's of phones that come from other providers and are unlocked. I cannot see how this is good business for AT&T, or even legal, and I imagine one day there will be a class action suit to stop this practice.
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No the rogers hd never work on Verizon ... the rogers don't have CDMA ... and LTE is on the wrong band ... There are no solution...
Yes some friend have same problem as you ... have a rogers simcard ... use a little on the ATT network ... switch to ATT simcard ... and phone don't work ... really a strange issue ...

[Q] Capabilities of the RAZR HD (prospective buyer)

Can someone please accelerate my decision making by letting me know if the RAZR HD/MAXX HD can:
1) Be fully unlocked from the carrier (Verizon) for use on any compatible network
2) Can use a SIM card when traveling abroad (to purchase local SIMs)
3) Can be fully rooted
Wikipedia lists the phone as:
CDMA EV-DO rev A; 800, 1900MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
LTE 700 MHz Class 13
HSDPA+ (4G) 21.1 Mbit/s
HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s
I also see information that it uses a SIM...but I am not sure if there are different versions of the phone for different carriers/countries, or if my Verizon phone will be able to do all this.
Please advise...thanks!
TraderJack said:
Can someone please accelerate my decision making by letting me know if the RAZR HD/MAXX HD can:
1) Be fully unlocked from the carrier (Verizon) for use on any compatible network
2) Can use a SIM card when traveling abroad (to purchase local SIMs)
3) Can be fully rooted
Wikipedia lists the phone as:
CDMA EV-DO rev A; 800, 1900MHz
GSM/GPRS/EDGE 850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz
UMTS 850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz
LTE 700 MHz Class 13
HSDPA+ (4G) 21.1 Mbit/s
HSUPA 5.76 Mbit/s
I also see information that it uses a SIM...but I am not sure if there are different versions of the phone for different carriers/countries, or if my Verizon phone will be able to do all this.
Please advise...thanks!
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Well, will let you know..
1. Verizon will not carrier unlock the phone for use here in the states,
2. I have seen people use it abroad but you have to set that up with Verizon.
3. It can be fully rooted and unlocked bootloader.
Some of 1 and 2 may be accomplished in other ways but not officially by verizon, at least not without paying
hollovoid said:
Well, will let you know..
1. Verizon will not carrier unlock the phone for use here in the states,
2. I have seen people use it abroad but you have to set that up with Verizon.
3. It can be fully rooted and unlocked bootloader.
Some of 1 and 2 may be accomplished in other ways but not officially by verizon, at least not without paying
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Thanks...I'm looking for end result here... Can I get Verizon, or a 3rd party to unlock this phone for use with foreign SIM cards?
Can I do it myself (relatively painlessly) with available toolsets?
You can simply buy NOT a Droid Razr HD, but a Razr HD.
This one have no Verizon Branding, also have 4G, the model number is XT925.
This version shipping directly from motorola.
And you can root, unlock bootloader for 5 minutes with win/mac.
One more But - you have to check the frequency of Lte in XT925 version.
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Thanks...I'm hoping to be able to buy from a US carrier so I can get the lower rates. Does anyone know which phones on which carriers will allow me to unlock (with a little hacking or a small amount of money for a code) so that I can use them with a foreign SIM?
TraderJack said:
Thanks...I'm hoping to be able to buy from a US carrier so I can get the lower rates. Does anyone know which phones on which carriers will allow me to unlock (with a little hacking or a small amount of money for a code) so that I can use them with a foreign SIM?
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Bro, as I know you're able to use any version of the razr HD with a foreign sim(in case if it is NOT fully locked) ! You can buy it directly from Verizon. But in USA you will have to use only Verizon. SIM Lock on this device - is only lock on use the phone in US with another carrier (possible to use in US only with Verizon Wireless). Abroad US you can use any SIM, any carrier in any country. Im considering xt926
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Other way, I saw claro australia (or Canada) locked phones on ebay. Unlock code is about 10$
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ANtiHazarD said:
Bro, as I know you're able to use any version of the razr HD with a foreign sim(in case if it is NOT fully locked) ! You can buy it directly from Verizon. But in USA you will have to use only Verizon. SIM Lock on this device - is only lock on use the phone in US with another carrier (possible to use in US only with Verizon Wireless). Abroad US you can use any SIM, any carrier in any country. Im considering xt926
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Other way, I saw claro australia (or Canada) locked phones on ebay. Unlock code is about 10$
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Thanks ANit - this seems to be exactly what I am now seeing based on my research and talks with VZW.
It does appear though that this procedure:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2166542
will unlock the device even within the US!
Seriously dude - it's an amazing phone.
It's rock solid by itself, battery life is stellar and camera is good, nowhere near as bad as some would suggest at least.
And as a side note since I cant comment in there yet, I've just installed the AOKP Lunchlies and its perhaps the most stable great custom ROM I've seen in my three or so years on the scene (mainly experienced with the Galaxy Ace, Xperia and now Razr HD). Amazing work guys.
So I have been doing more research and am still concerned about one thing:
While is seems pretty certain that we are saying the phone is unlocked for the GSM bands outside the country...and LTE really is irrelevant because no one else uses the same band...what about CDMA countries like Japan or Israel?
Is the only solution when using this phone in another CDMA country to use Verizon's roaming?
TraderJack said:
So I have been doing more research and am still concerned about one thing:
While is seems pretty certain that we are saying the phone is unlocked for the GSM bands outside the country...and LTE really is irrelevant because no one else uses the same band...what about CDMA countries like Japan or Israel?
Is the only solution when using this phone in another CDMA country to use Verizon's roaming?
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The only recent VZW phone to work on other US carriers is the Bionic. Before that I can only recall the HTC Titan as doing that but maybe the Incredible 2 as well. However, VZW call quality and pricing has become so competitive that being locked to VZW in the US is not a bad thing. As you seem to have figured out, the RHD is sim unlocked for foreign countries so you can use foreign micro sims easily. You would likely not be able to activate the phone on another CDMA carrier but you should be able roam there with VZW service. I have only roamed in Mexico on CDMA. All the other roaming in Indonesia, Taiwan, EU and caribbean I have done was on GSM. The RHD does very well roaming. I have chosen to use VZW services (Vodafone) so I can keep my number. I just buy a 100MB data package for $25 which is plenty for email. Not doing that will cost $20/MB and can run into the thousands of dollars. Call costs aren't significantly different to warrant a sim swap on short trips but I have used international foreign sims and programmed apns.
BTW Qualcomm will be releasing a universal LTE chip that will work on all LTE bands in the world.

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