Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
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It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
crackmonke said:
Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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First: the unlocked HD2 will still get AT&T data on EDGE speeds. that's what the GSM is. it'll pick up EDGE on all 4 of those bands. you're right, you need the 850/1900 bands under the HSPA/WCDMA bands. so therefore, the Euro unlocked HD2 won't get 3G on AT&T's network here.
Second: you could get the phone unlocked from T-MO USA, and you'd only have to SIM unlock it. it's your choice if you wanna flash a HARD SPL and a new radio and ROM. all you need to do in order to use it on AT&T's network is get it SIM unlocked. but you still won't get 3G on AT&T, since T-Mo and AT&T use different 3G bands.
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
crackmonke said:
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
and yes, 3G is possible over the 1900 bandwidth. T-Mo uses the 2100 band, but only because that was the only band available to them when they opened their 3G network. T-MO USA is was the last major US carrier to adopt 3G, and are therefore way behind in their development of it. while AT&T, Sprint and VZW are already beginning to develop their 4G networks, T-Mo is still trying to broaden their 3G coverage
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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hey man don't worry about it. and it's not really for sure that AT&T won't get it. they lose exclusive rights to the iPhone next year (I think. could be 2011 too tho...) but there's always a chance that they could pick up the HD2. I didn't jump the AT&T ship for the tp2, but if AT&T doesn't get it then I might actually leave.
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
crackmonke said:
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
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you're right, UMTS and 3G are the same thing. UMTS is basically normal 3G, while HSDPA is actually more along the lines of 3.5G.
I'm not too sure about what you're asking, but if you're wondering if, since the AT&T Tilt2 utilizes tri-band UMTS (850/1900/2100), will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no. this is simply because AT&T does not use the 2100 band, only the 850/1900 bands. the reason they usually make their phones with tri-band 3G frequencies is so that their subscribers can get some 3G coverage when they travel abroad (whether it's to another state or out of the country.) adding another 3G band allows their subscribers to have more 3G coverage, particularly if they travel out of the country. it all depends on whether the state/country they go to utilizes the 2100 band.
whew, that was a bit of typing. hope I was of some help.
poppinpengawen said:
...will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no...
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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rom won't help, since it's a hardware antenna (and software) limitation.
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Is anyone using the Samsung Omnia 7 on AT&T? I know it has support for AT&T's 1900 band for 3G but wanted to know how the experience is. I'm in Germany this week and was hoping to see if I can pick one up [not really happy with any of the AT&T phones].
Also, with updates possibly being controlled by carriers what's the workaround for buying an unlocked device from overseas and using it in the US on AT&T?
Thx!
can't tell you about omnia on at&t, but as far as i'm aware if your phone is unlocked from carrier, i don't see any reason/possibility for them to delay an update being rolled to your phone.
Cool, thx.
You should be able to get updates via the Zune software.
I'm sorry. this is my first post for this forum. Im not educated on on the compatibility of the EU phones on US carriers....
But is this really possible? I really like the SS Omnia the best so far.
an unlocked ominia will work perfectly fine on AT&T?
it will work perfectly.. except for the lack of 3G. The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses... and the 1700 band tmobile uses.
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
shujaa said:
An explanation for "The omnia lacks the all important 850 band at&t uses" would be useful as AT&T also supports 3G on the 1900 band that the Omnia 7 supports. So seems like it should work...
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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Thanks for that response. I really wanted to see if I could sneak away with the omnia as the focus isn't really as good
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One advantage with the Focus is it has an SD card slot to extend storage.
If you use you phone for music,movies and games it's a big +.
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Dependa on the tower. Lacking tje 850 band is a big deal on att.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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lacking 850 is not a problem since only mayor citied like new york, san fran, dallas etc. have 850 and the majority of normal city only have 1900. so 1900 is fine given you don't have access to hsdpa and hsupa, only regular 3g. now if only i can find an unlock omnia 7 under $650.
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There are maps available showing coverage for each AT&T 3G frequency band. I wouldn't dismiss one band over the other. It all depends on what city you live in.
Check into the coverage areas before you waste money on a phone that won't give you 3G coverage in your area.
Very interesting as I googled AT&T 850 vs. 1900 MHz Coverage and pulled up a very interesting map [can't post a link due to my post count].
Coverage of the two bands is almost identical. I didn't know that speed is something to give up on the 1900 band though.
Good info. Yeah, I'm in Europe this week and no one is offering it unlocked!
here's the maps.
http://www.cellularmaps.com/att_850_1900.shtml
my question would be though, which is the band they are going to expand going forward???
so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I'll be asking at an AT&T store, perhaps they can shed some light...
i personally am not sure if all phones handle the varying bands straight from the OEMs. HTC lists what bands their phone supports to each region, but in saying that it would be good to know what would happen if you got a omnia to the US (or in my case if i somehow managed to get an unlocked focus to australia ).
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so what's the difference between these bands? the phone does both so you would be "covered" so to speak
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I don't think the phone supports at&t's 850mhz band.
according to this it does
http://www.pdadb.net/index.php?m=pd...icially_confirmed_windows_phone_7_smartphones
and this
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i8700_omnia_7-3537.php
GSM850, GSM900, GSM1800, GSM1900, UMTS900, UMTS1900, UMTS2100
CSD, GPRS, EDGE, UMTS, HSDPA, HSUPA
From what i've heard, ATT doesn't even really use the 850 spectrum much anymore...
Several people are selling this new on eBay for ~$600, but it does not support 3G. As per the one auction details:
* Works with AT&T and T-mobile EDGE but does not work with 3G networks in the USA
* Works with AT&T 1900Mhz 3G but not AT&T 850mhz 3G - Does not work with T-mobile 3G in the USA
I love the design of this phone too but is it worth paying all that money for a phone where you won't be able to take advantage of all its features? Edge is slow as Sh*t compared to 3g in my area. Just consider that if you really want this phone in the US.
Vodafone has a HTC Sensation for sale and lists the 3G MHz has 850/1900/2100
I would like to purchase the HTC Sensation but want to know if this is a typo.
If I purchase this phone from vodafone do you think it will be possible to unlock it? I've been looking for a new phone with 3G that will work on ATT.
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/htc-sensation
its unlock already
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its unlock already
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Yep! They're SIM free.
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?
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Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?
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I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
Looking at the Gallery for an article at TmoNews, a picture of the box showed the frequencies available on the Sensation 4G.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-branded-htc-sensation-4g-in-the-wild/
The box shows UMTS frequencies are 1700, 2100 and 1900. Isn't 1900 AT&T?
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AT&T uses 850 and 1900 3G. Unless the TMO US Sensation has 850 it won't fly 3G on AT&t.
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I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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There are some special codes you can dial to display service menus that include the frequencies in use. Don't know them for HTC. Some Googling might turn up the answer.
It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.
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It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.
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Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.
kaiserkannon said:
Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.
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That's my understanding as well, 850 and 1900 currently required on ATT to get 3G everywhere.
Walkamo said:
I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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How did you get at US version Sensation, if I may ask?
Paten said:
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol
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What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol
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AWS advanced wireless services 1700
If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near
drgopoos said:
If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near
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Never, ever, EVER look forward to a Canadian release. We get **** MONTHS after the UK and US if we're lucky!!!
When it comes to new phones, just keep the word "Canada" out of the discussion unless you're emo and look forward to disappointment lol. The thought of acquiring a Canadian version of the Sensation never even crossed my mind. All my phones have always been imported.
The only thing I use carrier upgrades for with my actual service here is so I can sell the phone which makes the most money so I can import a new one. The wireless industry in Canada is way behind even the poorest third world nations.
/rant
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Isn't the Vodafone UK version UTMS/HSPA 850/1900/2100?
drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Not quite true if this listing is accurate:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
But it certainly is limited.
Hey all,
I know the Vibrant has AT&T's 1900 3g band.
Can anyone confirm if the Galaxy S 4G also have the same AT&T 1900 3g band?
What sucks is that these bands are typically not listed in the specs but it's always a pleasant surprise when a t-mo phone has the AT&T 1900 band.
Thanks.
I'm thinking of upgrading to the Galaxy S 4g from the Vibrant but I don't want to give up the 1900 band when I swap to an AT&T sim.
Thanks in advance for the info
Yes it will but u can check it out here
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4G_id5138
Thanks for the reply but according to phonearena, the Galaxy S 4g only covers GSM 1900. Not UMTS 1900.
The Vibrant actually has UMTS 1900 hence Unlocked Vibrants can be used on AT&T's 3G network
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Vibrant_id4747
However, I know phonearena isn't always accurate when it comes to specs/bands so that's why I'm asking all you Galaxy S 4g owners
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Yes it will but u can check it out here
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Galaxy-S-4G_id5138
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joel32137 said:
Thanks for the reply but according to phonearena, the Galaxy S 4g only covers GSM 1900. Not UMTS 1900.
The Vibrant actually has UMTS 1900 hence Unlocked Vibrants can be used on AT&T's 3G network
http://www.phonearena.com/phones/Samsung-Vibrant_id4747
However, I know phonearena isn't always accurate when it comes to specs/bands so that's why I'm asking all you Galaxy S 4g owners
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the s4g doesnt have the full 3g band hence why it goes from hsdpa to edge and not switch to 3g as it actually lacks the band for it .....
RaverX3X said:
the s4g doesnt have the full 3g band hence why it goes from hsdpa to edge and not switch to 3g as it actually lacks the band for it .....
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Does that mean Tmobile phones will work on a att
4g?
Compxpert said:
Does that mean Tmobile phones will work on a att
4g?
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should worse case is u get edge at best
Joel, what did you end up doing?
Can the SGS 4G use 4G on AT&Ts network?
I was at one point able to get Straight Talk 3G working on the 1900 band when I used to live in TX. This was using ATT's network so it is definitely possible.
However a word of caution: from my experience in some areas ATT uses 850 for 3G, which the SGS4g does not support (edge only).
Got my sgs 4g unlocked and tested on at&t sim card ,3g worked with no problem (chicago area)
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The unlocked version of this phone does include umts 1900 band so it can pickup 3g signal on that frequency.
On the back of the phone it says it clearly.
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the tmobile version also
Bought from tmobile with no mention of ATT BANDS in the specs. Rooted, unlocked and was able to pick up 3g in Dallas,Tx on Att.
Thanks all, I'm glad to hear that T-mo's Galaxy S 4g works with AT&T's 1900 3g band.
I know this may be asking much but for all who's running the phone on AT&T's 3G 1900 band (and if you have time), do you mind doing a speed test on AT&T and posting your results?
Thanks,
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Thanks all, I'm glad to hear that T-mo's Galaxy S 4g works with AT&T's 1900 3g band.
I know this may be asking much but for all who's running the phone on AT&T's 3G 1900 band (and if you have time), do you mind doing a speed test on AT&T and posting your results?
Thanks,
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I have unlocked mine and had 3g on at&t for a while (brothers at&t sim) got regular 3G speeds as well. Its crazy huh?
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why on earth would u do this less theres no t/simple mobile I had att on my 3g vibrant for a while yeah it said it got 3g but it SUCKS espacially indoors thats why att used the other frequency to get indoor "penetration"
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why on earth would u do this less theres no t/simple mobile I had att on my 3g vibrant for a while yeah it said it got 3g but it SUCKS espacially indoors thats why att used the other frequency to get indoor "penetration"
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Heh, you said penetration.
Okay kidding aside
Yes the SGS4g will run on ATT's 3g band. You won't have 4g though.
I actually used mine on ATT for almost 2 weeks lol
If a carrier support 4G on 1900mhz band would I get 4G without problems??
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Heh, you said penetration.
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That's what she said!
I'm picking HSPA now
Since this morning, I've been picking up HSPA from AT&T on my SGS4G. Until today it always displayed the 3G icon and the network info said UMTS.
Today I started picking up HSPA. Although crappy speeds, it's HSPA
I have no idea what happened overnight but the network has changed.
By the way, I'm in Wilmington, DE
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Since this morning, I've been picking up HSPA from AT&T on my SGS4G. Until today it always displayed the 3G icon and the network info said UMTS.
Today I started picking up HSPA. Although crappy speeds, it's HSPA
I have no idea what happened overnight but the network has changed.
By the way, I'm in Wilmington, DE
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what rom is that? (mods etc) looks good
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what rom is that? (mods etc) looks good
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Es el MIUI, lo consegui en este foro. Me gusta, pero tiene sus problemas
There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
jboxer said:
There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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EDIT: Only T-Mobile has the right to call it a G2x, following T-Mobile's G-series. So if it can't be called a G2x, it has to be called an Optimus 2X
According to the ITU, HSPA+, LTE, and WiMax are now to all be considered 4G technology.
Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that “LTE-Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.
Source: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/20/hspa-lte-and-wimax-now-officially-called-4g/
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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Hence the reason I put 4G (HSPA+). No provider has true 4G here in the States.
The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
Its got to be the p999. Cinbell uses AWS for 3g just like TmoUS
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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Yes. That was the point of my post. I see more bricks and confused users in the near future.
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It would be helpful I think if you could get the system version and radio firmware version.
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
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That's certainly a t-mobile compatible 2X. The specs state Android 2.3.3 though not 2.3.4, so it may be the same build as on the G2X. Or, maybe a newer build but not 2.3.4. Or, whoever did the copypasta got that wrong too. Worth checking into, too bad Cincinnati so far away! Have to depend on the locals...
If it *is* compatible (should be) and a newer baseband and/or firmware revision, then we need to snag someone before they root and flash over so some of us can have a looksee.
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I was actually going to try contacting one of the users who reviewed the phone on the Cincinnati Bell website... One of them I can't find contact info for.. the other, it appears he didn't actually buy the phone from Cincinnati Bell, rather, he got a T-Mobile one on eBay and reviewed it on the website.
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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HSPA+ is more of 4G then WiMax
This is how tmo 4g rolls where im from. But yeah they could just be using a debranded g2x. Im sure tmo has to do something with all the bricks they get back and phones they cant sale.
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The thing that makes me question the hardware is that they are claiming the HPDPA+ is 900/2100 and not 1700/2100. I think it is probably a typo on their part but would like to know for sure.
can somebody check on this. the cincinnati 2x like jb said it shows it have different bad
plus its 2.3.3 but they are saying that its 1080p!!?? after the update and lg removed their camera ui tmous changed their spects from 1080p to 780p can somebody check if the cincinnati 2x have the gb or lg camera?
I find it rather odd that the US-bound Pure Edition doesn't support 1700 MHz for TMOUS, yet the international Style version does.
That being said, it's looking like both versions support all the other bands that TMOUS uses. So unless I'm missing something, that would mean all TMOUS users should be picking up the international version, not the US version.
@Gamesoul Master
T-Mobile in the US use:
GSM - Band 2 (1900 MHz)
3G (HSPA) - Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G (HSPA+) - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G LTE - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
And the US Pure Edition has the following Bands :
GSM - (Band 2 (1900 MHz)
HSPA+ - 2100Mhz
4G LTE - Band 2, 4 and 12
So it should work fine for you on T-Mobile US network.
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T-Mobile in the US use:
GSM - Band 2 (1900 MHz)
3G (HSPA) - Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G (HSPA+) - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G LTE - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
And the US Pure Edition has the following Bands :
GSM - (Band 2 (1900 MHz)
HSPA+ - 2100Mhz
4G LTE - Band 2, 4 and 12
So it should work fine for you on T-Mobile US network.
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Except I (like some other people) live in an area where 1700 MHz is in use (no refarmed 1900 MHz here) and the LTE isn't solid yet. So if I get the Pure Edition, I'm going to be stuck jumping between 2G and LTE depending on where I'm standing... lol.
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Except I (like some other people) live in an area where 1700 MHz is in use (no refarmed 1900 MHz here) and the LTE isn't solid yet. So if I get the Pure Edition, I'm going to be stuck jumping between 2G and LTE depending on where I'm standing... lol.
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Ah right lol.
In T-Mobiles website they only list 1900 MHz which is odd.
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Ah right lol.
In T-Mobiles website they only list 1900 MHz which is odd.
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Yeah, I imagine for a lot of people it won't be a problem. But until they refarm around here, I'd be stuck on 2G half the time.
But if I can get my hands on the international version instead of the US version when it comes out, I won't have to worry, since it seems to have *all* the T-Mobile bands.
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Yeah, I imagine for a lot of people it won't be a problem. But until they refarm around here, I'd be stuck on 2G half the time.
But if I can get my hands on the international version instead of the US version when it comes out, I won't have to worry, since it seems to have *all* the T-Mobile bands.
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I wouldn't mind posting you it from here in the UK but the conversion rate will make it expensive for you.
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I wouldn't mind posting you it from here in the UK but the conversion rate will make it expensive for you.
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I appreciate the thought, but you are of course correct. Thinking I may just wait and see if maybe the refarming effort makes it to my area before the phone comes out. Since it's supposed to be mostly done by end of year, and I'm in an area that gets at least a little love from T-Mobile, perhaps it'll time out right for me.
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I appreciate the thought, but you are of course correct. Thinking I may just wait and see if maybe the refarming effort makes it to my area before the phone comes out. Since it's supposed to be mostly done by end of year, and I'm in an area that gets at least a little love from T-Mobile, perhaps it'll time out right for me.
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Yeah I won't be getting good LTE signal in my area but hopefully the network I'm with are going to be doing some work on it. Its just a waiting game really lol. It always seems like every area I move to has crap signal haha.
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Hmm...I used the site willmyphonework.net to test out both versions and I found a little difference. The global version supports both 1700 & 1900 MHz on 3G speed. Other than that, both are the same for LTE & 2G and work perfectly. Can anyone help me translate this into English and tell us which is more beneficial?
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Hmm...I used the site willmyphonework.net to test out both versions and I found a little difference. The global version supports both 1700 & 1900 MHz on 3G speed. Other than that, both are the same for LTE & 2G and work perfectly. Can anyone help me translate this into English and tell us which is more beneficial?
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Yeah, that was what I was getting at. Both versions seem identical as far as what T-Mobile needs, except for that 1700 MHz on the international version. Seems odd to me that they'd leave something like that out for the US version.
Does the additional 1700 MHz band mean better coverage for Tmobile in the US, or does Tmobile not use that one?
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Does the additional 1700 MHz band mean better coverage for Tmobile in the US, or does Tmobile not use that one?
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They use 1900 MHz for their refarmed HSPA+ areas, but there's still many areas (like mine) that use 1700 MHz for that.
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They use 1900 MHz for their refarmed HSPA+ areas, but there's still many areas (like mine) that use 1700 MHz for that.
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AFAIK much more of their coverage uses 1700 than 1900.
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AFAIK much more of their coverage uses 1700 than 1900.
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True. 1900 is only as recent as their refarming, whereas 1700 they've been using for quite a while.
If you buy the international rather than the US are you going to be less likely to get tmobile wifi calling and volte with an update?
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If you buy the international rather than the US are you going to be less likely to get tmobile wifi calling and volte with an update?
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we wont be getting tmo wifi calling regardless
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we wont be getting tmo wifi calling regardless
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Wifi calling maybe with marshmallow? But possibly volte?
And wonder if US vs international would matter? I guess that's a lot of unknowns.
What's the point in Motorola making two versions in the first place? If all versions are sold carrier free, the LTE bands should be turned on for each carrier worldwide. Qualcomm modems support any band and frequency so long as the device has the correct firmware to leave them open.
In my opinion, it would probably be best to purchase the Pure (US) Edition to make sure it will work on all carriers in the US. After that I would root and turn on the 1700MHz frequency. Seeing how huge this issue will probably become, I'm sure someone will figure this out and post a guide on the forums. You may be best off waiting to see if this is the case.
Btw, my personal choice in this situation would be to switch carriers to AT&T or even Verizon, for the better coverage. Since Wifi Calling is supported natively when Marshmallow inevitably is released for these devices, there shouldn't be too much of a downside for anyone switching from TMO anymore (so long as carriers don't block out the wifi calling capabilities).
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What's the point in Motorola making two versions in the first place? If all versions are sold carrier free, the LTE bands should be turned on for each carrier worldwide. Qualcomm modems support any band and frequency so long as the device has the correct firmware to leave them open.
In my opinion, it would probably be best to purchase the Pure (US) Edition to make sure it will work on all carriers in the US. After that I would root and turn on the 1700MHz frequency. Seeing how huge this issue will probably become, I'm sure someone will figure this out and post a guide on the forums. You may be best off waiting to see if this is the case.
Btw, my personal choice in this situation would be to switch carriers to AT&T or even Verizon, for the better coverage. Since Wifi Calling is supported natively when Marshmallow inevitably is released for these devices, there shouldn't be too much of a downside for anyone switching from TMO anymore (so long as carriers don't block out the wifi calling capabilities).
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True that we will have WiFi calling via Marshmallow. It already works in stock betas that have been tested with other devices. No need for a separate all from T-Mobile.
But, how can 1700 be turned on in the US version, if the device does not have a 1700 radio? Since 1700 is not in the spec of the US version. It may not have a 1700 radio to activate.
All of the frequencies use the same radio. So if a phone is LTE capable, then it has all of the bands available. Lot's of times carriers will only activate the specific bands that are needed for their networks to make it harder to switch companies.
Here is a generalized guide for all qualcomm SoCs. This should work in theory, but again, nobody has been able to test it on the Moto x yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269