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HTC HD2 UK Release on US 3g

Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
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It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.

crackmonke said:
Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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First: the unlocked HD2 will still get AT&T data on EDGE speeds. that's what the GSM is. it'll pick up EDGE on all 4 of those bands. you're right, you need the 850/1900 bands under the HSPA/WCDMA bands. so therefore, the Euro unlocked HD2 won't get 3G on AT&T's network here.
Second: you could get the phone unlocked from T-MO USA, and you'd only have to SIM unlock it. it's your choice if you wanna flash a HARD SPL and a new radio and ROM. all you need to do in order to use it on AT&T's network is get it SIM unlocked. but you still won't get 3G on AT&T, since T-Mo and AT&T use different 3G bands.

Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?

crackmonke said:
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
and yes, 3G is possible over the 1900 bandwidth. T-Mo uses the 2100 band, but only because that was the only band available to them when they opened their 3G network. T-MO USA is was the last major US carrier to adopt 3G, and are therefore way behind in their development of it. while AT&T, Sprint and VZW are already beginning to develop their 4G networks, T-Mo is still trying to broaden their 3G coverage

poppinpengawen said:
I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.

crackmonke said:
Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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hey man don't worry about it. and it's not really for sure that AT&T won't get it. they lose exclusive rights to the iPhone next year (I think. could be 2011 too tho...) but there's always a chance that they could pick up the HD2. I didn't jump the AT&T ship for the tp2, but if AT&T doesn't get it then I might actually leave.

Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?

crackmonke said:
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
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you're right, UMTS and 3G are the same thing. UMTS is basically normal 3G, while HSDPA is actually more along the lines of 3.5G.
I'm not too sure about what you're asking, but if you're wondering if, since the AT&T Tilt2 utilizes tri-band UMTS (850/1900/2100), will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no. this is simply because AT&T does not use the 2100 band, only the 850/1900 bands. the reason they usually make their phones with tri-band 3G frequencies is so that their subscribers can get some 3G coverage when they travel abroad (whether it's to another state or out of the country.) adding another 3G band allows their subscribers to have more 3G coverage, particularly if they travel out of the country. it all depends on whether the state/country they go to utilizes the 2100 band.
whew, that was a bit of typing. hope I was of some help.

poppinpengawen said:
...will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no...
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?

pckshd said:
Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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rom won't help, since it's a hardware antenna (and software) limitation.

HTC Sensation 3G 850/1900!

Vodafone has a HTC Sensation for sale and lists the 3G MHz has 850/1900/2100
I would like to purchase the HTC Sensation but want to know if this is a typo.
If I purchase this phone from vodafone do you think it will be possible to unlock it? I've been looking for a new phone with 3G that will work on ATT.
http://shop.vodafone.co.uk/shop/mobile-phone/htc-sensation

its unlock already

west2cool said:
its unlock already
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Yep! They're SIM free.

I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.

Paten said:
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?

samnada said:
Where have you heard the TMO US Sensation will have 850 3G?
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I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?

Looking at the Gallery for an article at TmoNews, a picture of the box showed the frequencies available on the Sensation 4G.
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/05/t-mobile-branded-htc-sensation-4g-in-the-wild/
The box shows UMTS frequencies are 1700, 2100 and 1900. Isn't 1900 AT&T?
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AT&T uses 850 and 1900 3G. Unless the TMO US Sensation has 850 it won't fly 3G on AT&t.

Walkamo said:
I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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There are some special codes you can dial to display service menus that include the frequencies in use. Don't know them for HTC. Some Googling might turn up the answer.

It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.

Paten said:
It was my understanding that you can use 850 or 1900 for 3G on AT&T but didn't necessarily have to have both. But this is just something I vaguely remember hearing somewhere and don't have any personal experience to back it up.
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Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.

kaiserkannon said:
Yeah you don't need both. I used to rock a phone with only 1900, but you only get 3g in some areas and not others. And if I remember correctly att was/is actively moving all 3g onto the 850 band, so really I think the 850 band is more important of the two. Really did suck when everyone else had 3g and I was on edge because it was a 850 zone for 3g.
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That's my understanding as well, 850 and 1900 currently required on ATT to get 3G everywhere.

Walkamo said:
I have a t-mobile (US) version, however it came in a generic box. Is there a way to tell what frequencies it supports?
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How did you get at US version Sensation, if I may ask?

Paten said:
I think their website is wrong. If you watch some of the unboxing videos for the Vodafone Sensation, the box lists AWS and not 1900. I have only the videos to go by though. Wait for the T–mobile US version to come out though. It may have the right frequencies for AT&T, or so I've heard.
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What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol

milestonedude said:
What is AWS? I assume its not a code name for 850 lol
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AWS advanced wireless services 1700

If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near

drgopoos said:
If some one needs sensation with 850/2100 for 3G, will have to wait till sensation is released for canada ( Rogers/telus/bell) . however it does not look near
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Never, ever, EVER look forward to a Canadian release. We get **** MONTHS after the UK and US if we're lucky!!!
When it comes to new phones, just keep the word "Canada" out of the discussion unless you're emo and look forward to disappointment lol. The thought of acquiring a Canadian version of the Sensation never even crossed my mind. All my phones have always been imported.
The only thing I use carrier upgrades for with my actual service here is so I can sell the phone which makes the most money so I can import a new one. The wireless industry in Canada is way behind even the poorest third world nations.
/rant

unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g

drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Isn't the Vodafone UK version UTMS/HSPA 850/1900/2100?

drgopoos said:
unfortuantely there is no other place that has 850 spectrum for 3g
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Not quite true if this listing is accurate:
http://www.worldtimezone.com/gsm.html
But it certainly is limited.

[Q] 4g signal?

Is there a way for us infusers to get 4g signal?

LTE? No the hardware just isnt there
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What do you mean?
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Is there a way for us infusers to get 4g signal?
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Go into a 4g area
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Bec at&t offers 4g network on infuse but is there any other way to get it?

You have to be in a fauxG area. Or see if the H+, if so you do have the 4g signal
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colbynmeghan said:
You have to be in a fauxG area. Or see if the H+, if so you do have the 4g signal
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I am having the h+ and 3g here in our place when data mode

wawaweewa said:
I am having the h+ and 3g here in our place when data mode
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There you go, you have the 4g. Sometimes it might not seem like it but you do.
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wawaweewa said:
I am having the h+ and 3g here in our place when data mode
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Our 4G is actually 3G + HSPA
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I call it 3.5g. Or a BS way the sales people were telling people At&t had 4g back in July 2011. They wouldn't call it 4g 'lte' so I guess it wasn't false advertising.
sorry /rant.
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the h+ signal is a lie
download the app sensorly from the market and you'll see what your real signal is

albee320 said:
the h+ signal is a lie
download the app sensorly from the market and you'll see what your real signal is
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I dl'd it now the h is 3.5 and 3g is 3g and no 4g so no way getting it?
here is my SS just now
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i also have an infuse 4g and i get 4g on a normal phone like my doaghters phones is a galaxy and she gets 4g but in this infuse i dont and i am on a 4g area all cels here get 4g with tmobile i wonder if thers a way to get the 4g i have seen some post on some custom rom with 4g but i wonder if is becase my infuse is an unlock phone ...

daminux said:
i also have an infuse 4g and i get 4g on a normal phone like my doaghters phones is a galaxy and she gets 4g but in this infuse i dont and i am on a 4g area all cels here get 4g with tmobile i wonder if thers a way to get the 4g i have seen some post on some custom rom with 4g but i wonder if is becase my infuse is an unlock phone ...
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On what service?
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OK guys
grps is basically 1g edge is 2g umts is 3g umts with hspa or hsdpa (high speed package assist/high speed downlink package assist) has been advertised as 3g+ and 3.5g on carriers in some countries, att never made a distinction between if a phone was hspa, hsdpa, or 3g only, so they could advertise the fastest 3g network instead of confusing things with 3.5g and thus letting you know that not all 3g phones could get 3.5g speeds because they didn't fully support all the hspa modes (the iPhone 3g only supported 3.6mbps hsdpa not 7.2mbps hspa like they want you to believe the 3g network was capable of). its easy to have the fastest 3g if only a few high end devices could run at those speeds so the network never gets bogged down.
then T-Mobile messed everything up by getting hspa+ and calling it 4g. so att copied them and called their umts with hspa+ phones 4g even though it works off a umts signal. the older 4g commercials for the infuse and atrix say "4g speeds from hspa+ and 21mbps enhanced backhaul" or something to that effect at the bottom of the screen.
the infuse is not technically a 4g device and the h+ icon is possibly inaccurate in the first place. if you want to complain then blame T-Mobile. or this standard we know as Americans. why they can't just tell you its umts w/hspa+ is beyond me. I guess they need a system for comparison to cdma and iden devices so the us carriers can have there big pissing contest.
also T-Mobile has different 3g bands and the infuse doesn't support it, att phones will run on edge only when unlocked for T-Mobile and their subsidiaries. it will work on most other north American and south american GSM networks though as they mostly use the same bands as att. Europe is different using 900 MHz for talk instead of 850 but you should be able to roam on 2100mhz and Asia seems to be split between 850 and 900. ya gotta do research before you use a GSM phone in another region and if you want to use T-Mobile get a T-Mobile phone!

[Q] Anyone using a Canadian Razr HD on T-Mobile USA's LTE network?

Hey,
I have a Fido Razr HD, which afaik supports LTE on bands B4 (AWS 1700/2100MHz) and B17 (700MHz).
T-Mobile are deploying LTE on AWS, right? So in theory the RHD should be able to work without any problems - but has anyone actually tried this out?
I have a T-Mobile SIM on the way, so may have to be a guinea pig for this :silly:
Cheers,
Su

Update... it works :silly:
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3G, 4G? Battery life on LTE?
Sumanji said:
Update... it works :silly:
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Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Also looking for an answer to this, want to pick one of these phones up soon for T-Mobile use thanks in advance!

I am using a Rogers Canadian Lte is working great on T-Mobile where there coverage is
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I am using a Rogers Canadian Lte is working great on T-Mobile where there coverage is
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That's good to hear. Is the XT925 model the canadian model? Do you know if its possible to get one of the new Droid Maxx's up and running on T-Mobile as well?

Wannagotopopeyes said:
That's good to hear. Is the XT925 model the canadian model? Do you know if its possible to get one of the new Droid Maxx's up and running on T-Mobile as well?
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Yes its the Canadian model -not sure about the maxx

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Hey,
Apologies for the late response. The battery life on LTE is definitely shorter than on 3G only. I was in NYC last week, and was pretty much getting full bars of LTE signal constantly... was just about making it through the day.
The phone does indeed get full HSPA+ in areas where LTE is not available (although it frequently drops back to Edge due to T-Mo's crappy network ). On 3G+ only, the phone easily makes it through the day (usually have 20-30% at the end of the day, after ~2hrs screen time).
I am annoyed that this device hasn't seen any upgrades since January (4.1.2) though... crossing fingers and toes for 4.4, but perhaps in vain
Cheers,
Su

the reverse..?
Im trying to use a verizon firmware on my xt925 (oppisite of yours)
Annoying that it works perfectly to use a canadaian edition in the US but not vise versa

AdamMarkTodd said:
Im trying to use a verizon firmware on my xt925 (oppisite of yours)
Annoying that it works perfectly to use a canadaian edition in the US but not vise versa
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Verizon's LTE is a different radio band, the 925 won't work on VZW LTE without some serious hardware hackery.

T-Mobile US 4G unlimited on Motorola xt925
Sumanji said:
Hey,
I have a Fido Razr HD, which afaik supports LTE on bands B4 (AWS 1700/2100MHz) and B17 (700MHz).
T-Mobile are deploying LTE on AWS, right? So in theory the RHD should be able to work without any problems - but has anyone actually tried this out?
I have a T-Mobile SIM on the way, so may have to be a guinea pig for this :silly:
Cheers,
Su
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I have an unlocked Motorola xt925 and from the first day that I connected it to T- Mobile US regretted this choice. The problem was off course the 4G Lte. I didn' t want to pay their 70$ plan to have unlimited 4G because they don' t really have a 4G coverage so can' t provide this service. More than that my problem was for long time in getting a 4G speed in the phone. Fixed only after 4 or 5 th call.
Why I am posting this ???. Let's say that I was so pissed off on that problem that I rooted and unlocked the phone bootloader, installed almost all androids that are for this phone , tried everything that could find on the forums.
And now I have always, not really, a 4G connection in my phone. Without hack or illegal stuff.
I tried this in every android and it worked.
In this moment I have a 50 $ plan so only 500 mb on 4G, rest of them being or is supose to be only 2G.
Trick: in jelly beam and now in CyanogenMod 11 there is A way to select your Preferred network type. 2G, 3G, 4G.
If you know you are in a 4G area but you don' t have this speed try to select 2G, wait about 30 seconds, in jelly beam till connection is changing in blue and after that go back and select 4G network.
In some ROM there isn't 4 G selection. So I was dialling *#*#4636#*#* and select there Lte/ Gsm connection. After the phone is showing 4G or Lte check the internet speed.
If someone need the prove can provide some screenshots
Now. The problem is that I have to do that everytime when I am loosing the signal. So if the modem will make a 2G connection and after that 4G it will be OK. But it is not like this. Phone is jumping to 4G and the speed is only 0.13 Mb.
OK. I know I am not paying to have more but their service is not as it is show.
So. I would like to know if someone else can do that. Select 2G wait a little bit and select 4G and wait to have the connection. Usually in 2 minutes it is OK.
2. Can someone give an idea how to make the phone to make a 2 G connection and after that the 4 G.
Thanks for any suggestions.

Palisandr said:
Hi, thank you for being a guinea pig So, LTE works, but how is the battery life? Does the phone easily pull through the whole day? Also, when LTE is not available does it work on T-mo's 3G/4G network? Thanks!
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Are you really getting LTE and 4g on this phone by just unlocking it and putting a t-mobile sim card init, if lte and 4g is in the area???

Hey guys for those that will interest, by searching around I find out about this seller http://www.ebay.com/itm/UNLOCK-CODE...25293983?ssPageName=ADME:X:RTQ:US:1123#viTabs
They are the cheapest I have encountered so far. there is a thread at the atrix hd forums that many have tried them and it works

Style vs Pure Edition for T-Mobile US

I find it rather odd that the US-bound Pure Edition doesn't support 1700 MHz for TMOUS, yet the international Style version does.
That being said, it's looking like both versions support all the other bands that TMOUS uses. So unless I'm missing something, that would mean all TMOUS users should be picking up the international version, not the US version.

@Gamesoul Master
T-Mobile in the US use:
GSM - Band 2 (1900 MHz)
3G (HSPA) - Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G (HSPA+) - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G LTE - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
And the US Pure Edition has the following Bands :
GSM - (Band 2 (1900 MHz)
HSPA+ - 2100Mhz
4G LTE - Band 2, 4 and 12
So it should work fine for you on T-Mobile US network.

Geordie Affy said:
T-Mobile in the US use:
GSM - Band 2 (1900 MHz)
3G (HSPA) - Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G (HSPA+) - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz)
4G LTE - Band 2 (1900 MHz), Band 4 (1700/2100 MHz), Band 12 (700MHz)
And the US Pure Edition has the following Bands :
GSM - (Band 2 (1900 MHz)
HSPA+ - 2100Mhz
4G LTE - Band 2, 4 and 12
So it should work fine for you on T-Mobile US network.
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Except I (like some other people) live in an area where 1700 MHz is in use (no refarmed 1900 MHz here) and the LTE isn't solid yet. So if I get the Pure Edition, I'm going to be stuck jumping between 2G and LTE depending on where I'm standing... lol.

Gamesoul Master said:
Except I (like some other people) live in an area where 1700 MHz is in use (no refarmed 1900 MHz here) and the LTE isn't solid yet. So if I get the Pure Edition, I'm going to be stuck jumping between 2G and LTE depending on where I'm standing... lol.
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Ah right lol.
In T-Mobiles website they only list 1900 MHz which is odd.
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Geordie Affy said:
Ah right lol.
In T-Mobiles website they only list 1900 MHz which is odd.
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Yeah, I imagine for a lot of people it won't be a problem. But until they refarm around here, I'd be stuck on 2G half the time.
But if I can get my hands on the international version instead of the US version when it comes out, I won't have to worry, since it seems to have *all* the T-Mobile bands.

Gamesoul Master said:
Yeah, I imagine for a lot of people it won't be a problem. But until they refarm around here, I'd be stuck on 2G half the time.
But if I can get my hands on the international version instead of the US version when it comes out, I won't have to worry, since it seems to have *all* the T-Mobile bands.
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I wouldn't mind posting you it from here in the UK but the conversion rate will make it expensive for you.
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Geordie Affy said:
I wouldn't mind posting you it from here in the UK but the conversion rate will make it expensive for you.
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I appreciate the thought, but you are of course correct. Thinking I may just wait and see if maybe the refarming effort makes it to my area before the phone comes out. Since it's supposed to be mostly done by end of year, and I'm in an area that gets at least a little love from T-Mobile, perhaps it'll time out right for me.

Gamesoul Master said:
I appreciate the thought, but you are of course correct. Thinking I may just wait and see if maybe the refarming effort makes it to my area before the phone comes out. Since it's supposed to be mostly done by end of year, and I'm in an area that gets at least a little love from T-Mobile, perhaps it'll time out right for me.
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Yeah I won't be getting good LTE signal in my area but hopefully the network I'm with are going to be doing some work on it. Its just a waiting game really lol. It always seems like every area I move to has crap signal haha.
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Hmm...I used the site willmyphonework.net to test out both versions and I found a little difference. The global version supports both 1700 & 1900 MHz on 3G speed. Other than that, both are the same for LTE & 2G and work perfectly. Can anyone help me translate this into English and tell us which is more beneficial?
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Hmm...I used the site willmyphonework.net to test out both versions and I found a little difference. The global version supports both 1700 & 1900 MHz on 3G speed. Other than that, both are the same for LTE & 2G and work perfectly. Can anyone help me translate this into English and tell us which is more beneficial?
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Yeah, that was what I was getting at. Both versions seem identical as far as what T-Mobile needs, except for that 1700 MHz on the international version. Seems odd to me that they'd leave something like that out for the US version.

Does the additional 1700 MHz band mean better coverage for Tmobile in the US, or does Tmobile not use that one?

gonzalez11 said:
Does the additional 1700 MHz band mean better coverage for Tmobile in the US, or does Tmobile not use that one?
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They use 1900 MHz for their refarmed HSPA+ areas, but there's still many areas (like mine) that use 1700 MHz for that.

Gamesoul Master said:
They use 1900 MHz for their refarmed HSPA+ areas, but there's still many areas (like mine) that use 1700 MHz for that.
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AFAIK much more of their coverage uses 1700 than 1900.

Darnell_Chat_TN said:
AFAIK much more of their coverage uses 1700 than 1900.
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True. 1900 is only as recent as their refarming, whereas 1700 they've been using for quite a while.

If you buy the international rather than the US are you going to be less likely to get tmobile wifi calling and volte with an update?

NCguy said:
If you buy the international rather than the US are you going to be less likely to get tmobile wifi calling and volte with an update?
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we wont be getting tmo wifi calling regardless

hello00 said:
we wont be getting tmo wifi calling regardless
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Wifi calling maybe with marshmallow? But possibly volte?
And wonder if US vs international would matter? I guess that's a lot of unknowns.

What's the point in Motorola making two versions in the first place? If all versions are sold carrier free, the LTE bands should be turned on for each carrier worldwide. Qualcomm modems support any band and frequency so long as the device has the correct firmware to leave them open.
In my opinion, it would probably be best to purchase the Pure (US) Edition to make sure it will work on all carriers in the US. After that I would root and turn on the 1700MHz frequency. Seeing how huge this issue will probably become, I'm sure someone will figure this out and post a guide on the forums. You may be best off waiting to see if this is the case.
Btw, my personal choice in this situation would be to switch carriers to AT&T or even Verizon, for the better coverage. Since Wifi Calling is supported natively when Marshmallow inevitably is released for these devices, there shouldn't be too much of a downside for anyone switching from TMO anymore (so long as carriers don't block out the wifi calling capabilities).

Ganondroid said:
What's the point in Motorola making two versions in the first place? If all versions are sold carrier free, the LTE bands should be turned on for each carrier worldwide. Qualcomm modems support any band and frequency so long as the device has the correct firmware to leave them open.
In my opinion, it would probably be best to purchase the Pure (US) Edition to make sure it will work on all carriers in the US. After that I would root and turn on the 1700MHz frequency. Seeing how huge this issue will probably become, I'm sure someone will figure this out and post a guide on the forums. You may be best off waiting to see if this is the case.
Btw, my personal choice in this situation would be to switch carriers to AT&T or even Verizon, for the better coverage. Since Wifi Calling is supported natively when Marshmallow inevitably is released for these devices, there shouldn't be too much of a downside for anyone switching from TMO anymore (so long as carriers don't block out the wifi calling capabilities).
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True that we will have WiFi calling via Marshmallow. It already works in stock betas that have been tested with other devices. No need for a separate all from T-Mobile.
But, how can 1700 be turned on in the US version, if the device does not have a 1700 radio? Since 1700 is not in the spec of the US version. It may not have a 1700 radio to activate.

All of the frequencies use the same radio. So if a phone is LTE capable, then it has all of the bands available. Lot's of times carriers will only activate the specific bands that are needed for their networks to make it harder to switch companies.
Here is a generalized guide for all qualcomm SoCs. This should work in theory, but again, nobody has been able to test it on the Moto x yet.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/cro...ad-progress-please-leave-im-updating-t2871269