There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
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There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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EDIT: Only T-Mobile has the right to call it a G2x, following T-Mobile's G-series. So if it can't be called a G2x, it has to be called an Optimus 2X
According to the ITU, HSPA+, LTE, and WiMax are now to all be considered 4G technology.
Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that “LTE-Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.
Source: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/20/hspa-lte-and-wimax-now-officially-called-4g/
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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Hence the reason I put 4G (HSPA+). No provider has true 4G here in the States.
The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
Its got to be the p999. Cinbell uses AWS for 3g just like TmoUS
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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Yes. That was the point of my post. I see more bricks and confused users in the near future.
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It would be helpful I think if you could get the system version and radio firmware version.
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
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That's certainly a t-mobile compatible 2X. The specs state Android 2.3.3 though not 2.3.4, so it may be the same build as on the G2X. Or, maybe a newer build but not 2.3.4. Or, whoever did the copypasta got that wrong too. Worth checking into, too bad Cincinnati so far away! Have to depend on the locals...
If it *is* compatible (should be) and a newer baseband and/or firmware revision, then we need to snag someone before they root and flash over so some of us can have a looksee.
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I was actually going to try contacting one of the users who reviewed the phone on the Cincinnati Bell website... One of them I can't find contact info for.. the other, it appears he didn't actually buy the phone from Cincinnati Bell, rather, he got a T-Mobile one on eBay and reviewed it on the website.
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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HSPA+ is more of 4G then WiMax
This is how tmo 4g rolls where im from. But yeah they could just be using a debranded g2x. Im sure tmo has to do something with all the bricks they get back and phones they cant sale.
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The thing that makes me question the hardware is that they are claiming the HPDPA+ is 900/2100 and not 1700/2100. I think it is probably a typo on their part but would like to know for sure.
can somebody check on this. the cincinnati 2x like jb said it shows it have different bad
plus its 2.3.3 but they are saying that its 1080p!!?? after the update and lg removed their camera ui tmous changed their spects from 1080p to 780p can somebody check if the cincinnati 2x have the gb or lg camera?
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I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
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It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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Topic 1:
I've been searching and doing some research over the past few days, but I'm still learning. I contacted eXpansis about purchasing a HD2 on release and asked them if it would work on a the us 3g (at&t) system. They promptly said no. This is where my confusion sets in. In reviewing the bands that are supported by the phone:
It shows the bands that at&t uses for 3g 850 and 1900. But in the specs listed in the screenie the 850 and 1900 are listed under GSM, What I need is the 850 and 1900 bands listed under HSPA/WCDMA correct? So the phone would function for voice calls etc, but data would be null or extremely limited correct?
Also this is a hardware requirement, not rom upgradable?
Topic 2: I may start a new thread for this as others have probably gone before me.
It seems the HD2 is destined for TMOUSA in q1 of 2010. Can I port this phone to at&t services? This would require the sim unlock,SPL (not sure what this is) unlock and a radio rom flash?
Thanks for putting up with my questions, it's making me loose my hair even faster.
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First: the unlocked HD2 will still get AT&T data on EDGE speeds. that's what the GSM is. it'll pick up EDGE on all 4 of those bands. you're right, you need the 850/1900 bands under the HSPA/WCDMA bands. so therefore, the Euro unlocked HD2 won't get 3G on AT&T's network here.
Second: you could get the phone unlocked from T-MO USA, and you'd only have to SIM unlock it. it's your choice if you wanna flash a HARD SPL and a new radio and ROM. all you need to do in order to use it on AT&T's network is get it SIM unlocked. but you still won't get 3G on AT&T, since T-Mo and AT&T use different 3G bands.
Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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Excellent reply. I was able to find this other post which helped, but definately not as much as your reply. Thank you.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=568613
So on to the second plan since plan one is out, and the second plan is limited , damn so plan 3? ha...I need 3g+ for tethering. I'm concerned with T-MO USA because I have never used them. After reviewing the coverage information over at GSM World,
http://www.gsmworld.com/roaming/gsminfo/cou_us.shtml
TMOUSA shows no 3g, only GSM 1900, where at&t mobility show 3G 850/1900. So 3g is possible over GSM1900? I'm seeing a max rate of 9.6kbits/s on GSM can this be correct? Are faster speeds available?
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
and yes, 3G is possible over the 1900 bandwidth. T-Mo uses the 2100 band, but only because that was the only band available to them when they opened their 3G network. T-MO USA is was the last major US carrier to adopt 3G, and are therefore way behind in their development of it. while AT&T, Sprint and VZW are already beginning to develop their 4G networks, T-Mo is still trying to broaden their 3G coverage
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I'm not too familiar with the exact speeds, but I know that EDGE speeds definitely won't be fast enough for tethering. the main reason why I wouldn't go to T-MO is because of their lack of 3G coverage.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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Well frak me with a wooden spoon. at&t will never get the hd2. Too much iphone up the a$$ne$$. I guess I'm going to end up with the TP2 with sense on it, damn it seems so dated already.
Poppin, thank for the help, and guidance.
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hey man don't worry about it. and it's not really for sure that AT&T won't get it. they lose exclusive rights to the iPhone next year (I think. could be 2011 too tho...) but there's always a chance that they could pick up the HD2. I didn't jump the AT&T ship for the tp2, but if AT&T doesn't get it then I might actually leave.
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
crackmonke said:
Ok new information, I've got the TP2 for at&t ready for purchase on sunday, but I just found this information. Could someone take a look at it for me? It looks like the 3 bands
HD2 info from phone arena:
Network Type GSM Quad-band phone capable of global roaming (850/900/1800/1900 MHz)
UMTS dual-band European/Asian 3G (900/2100 MHz)
Tilt2 band information from At&t official site:
Wireless Technology
GSM/GPRS850/900/1800/1900 MHz 3G850/1900/2100 MHz EDGE high speed data networkBLUETOOTH® technology2.1
Do you see where the 2100 mhz bands match up? Is the difference the UMTS vs 3g? Are they not the same technology?
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you're right, UMTS and 3G are the same thing. UMTS is basically normal 3G, while HSDPA is actually more along the lines of 3.5G.
I'm not too sure about what you're asking, but if you're wondering if, since the AT&T Tilt2 utilizes tri-band UMTS (850/1900/2100), will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no. this is simply because AT&T does not use the 2100 band, only the 850/1900 bands. the reason they usually make their phones with tri-band 3G frequencies is so that their subscribers can get some 3G coverage when they travel abroad (whether it's to another state or out of the country.) adding another 3G band allows their subscribers to have more 3G coverage, particularly if they travel out of the country. it all depends on whether the state/country they go to utilizes the 2100 band.
whew, that was a bit of typing. hope I was of some help.
poppinpengawen said:
...will the HD2 be able to run AT&T's 3G, then the answer, sadly, is no...
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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Neither by flashing the proper ROM? Is that a hardware limitation?
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rom won't help, since it's a hardware antenna (and software) limitation.
So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.
No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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No because each run off of different 3g technologies ...plus at&t is going lte for their 4g
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i disagree both AT&T are both GSM the only difference is the frequency they operate on. AT&T will dismantle TMO HSPA+ for their "LTE" rollout. of course raise prices.
AT&T didn't storm Deutsche Telekom's offices with guns to get them to agree to sell T-Mobile U.S. Deutsche Telekom is in a world of financial hurt and needs the $39B to reinvest in what's left once T-Mobile's gone. In fact, they're giving back 1/3 of the $39B to shareholders after closing to compensate for their ****ty financial performance.
T-Mobile U.S. has the lowest yield per pre-paid customer of all four carriers, the highest attrition rate, the highest bad debt write-off, and the lowest margins. That all adds up to less money to invest in new products and services in a highly competitive environment. None of this is sustainable for a public company that answers to shareholders. So if it wasn't AT&T, it would be Sprint or private equity (which means slash and burn). Fat, dumb, and happy wasn't ever really an option.
Let your voice be heard. Go to the FCC website, and post your comment about the merger. fjallfoss dot fcc dot gov/ecfs/hotdocket/list proceeding number 11-65.
@flack0, they have different radios, hence the reason a T-Mobile phone will not run at&TS 3g and an at&t phone won't run tmobiles 3g
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I don't know where you get your facts, but DT is NOT in a world of financial hurt.
They are, however, looking to offload debt that they can't justify.
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Unless you have a G2x with unlocked AT&T frequencies or the other high end phones that Tmobile is coming out with that supports both Tmobile and AT&T 3G frequencies.
Tmobile is pretty confident that the merger is going to go through and is releasing some of their high end phones with dual support
Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849
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So there is millions of AT&T crap network without 3G service across the US. Does anyone feel like I do in the sense that AT&T is doing this as a stunt to the government to show how crappy their network is and why they need to dismantle the beautiful creation TMO created with HSPA+. Its sad the AT&T has to stoop so low to get what they want.
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ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
Edit. The dems recived $500,000 in contributions from ATT. Sorry for the typo.
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It has the hardware but not the software, YET.
FYI, http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1139849
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??? Not that I doubt you, but do you have any solid proof that it will work on ATT 3g? Conformation from ATT, Tmo or LG? Have any of the companies involved guaranteed it will work? All that thread says it should support it. I find the claims that it is locked down and hidden but will magically work later dubious at best.
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ATT gave half a billion dollars to democrat lawmakers to ensure the deal will go through. It's a done deal. Tmobile is history. All hail new higher prices and crappy service.
I plan on re-signing a new two year agreement at my grandfathered pricing as late as possible to push back the inevitable price hikes.
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I would not say the price hacks are innevitable. When verizon bought out alltell they didnt jack up the price on their current plans. In fact they pretty much stayed the same, just owned by verizon.
@sstang2006, yeah that's not proof that's just the same guy posting the same thing in a different thread...it isn't possible for this phone to run on at&t's 3g/4g networks
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Those rumors about the g2x having both at&t and T-Mobile 3g/4g bands have been long proven to be false...same with the sensation ....to my knowledge there isn't a phone out as of yet that supports both. Please correct me if I'm wrong ...and if you unlock this phone to at&t it will work, but only on edge and wifi
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There are several phones out right now that support 3g on att and tmobile nokia makes atleast 6 phones that are pentaband wcdma 5 bands and the tmobile vibrant will do 3g on att Band I (UMTS 2100, Europe's main 3G band)
Band II (UMTS 1900, US band)
Band IV (UMTS 1700/2100, US band)
Band V (UMTS 850, US band)
Band VIII (UMTS 900, Europe and used e.g. in France and Finland in rural areas)
Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).
i hope you're right sir....that is if the merger happens
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Well you saying it ISN'T possible isn't warranted either.
The hardware specs specifically say it supports those bands. Tmobile also said it supported those bands. LG said it supported those bands. It passed the FCC with those bands.
Tmobile stated that several of their high end phones will support the AT&T 3G bands and will be unlocked to do so once the merger goes through.
The G2x was the first to support them. The Sensation doesn't. I think the Hercules will as well (although be still be locked until the merger).
Now really, no one REALLY knows one way or another... but looking at the evidence (which are referenced all over the place) it would be best to say that one day we COULD have support for AT&T 3G (unlike the Sensation which doesn't have the hardware).
We do have the hardware but it is locked down. Being it is such a new phone and we don't have any other baselands available, we can't simply flash and be successful. Perhaps the Canadian version will have them all unlocked and we can use theirs.
But to say it isn't possible is not proven just as much as saying it is possible. I would say it IS possible but not right now (AKA it doesn't work out of the box).
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I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.
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I would love for this to be a possibility but where do you find that the phone has the hardware? Everything I can find via Google searches says it does not.
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The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.
player911 said:
The hardware specs are all over the place. It was only AFTER the phone was released that Tmobile said the phone didn't support it and it was restricted by "hardware".
pfft.
The G2x is based off the O2x. Sure slightly different but I would almost bet they used the same "quadband EDGE, and quadband HSPA+ (with future-proof support for 2100, 1900, 1700 / AWS, and 850MHz)" chip.
I bet the G2x and the O2x use the same chip. Tmobile probably just ordered it to be locked down (lack of drivers or something).
It would require a tear down of both the G2x and O2x to be certain.
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"all over the place" ... "I bet" ... and "probably" don't really prove anything. You're just speculating, and so far it's based only on your opinion because you haven't provided any sort of links or references to prove your point. The only things I can find regarding the G2X having quad band HSPA+ are when T-Mobile admitted that they were wrong in saying it supported those bands in the first place. On LG's own website they list the G2X as supporting only 2 HSPA+ frequencies (1700/2100). Also on LG's website, they list the O2x as supporting 3 HSPA+ frequencies (900/1900/2100).
It would be awesome if T-Mobile had been correct, but there is nothing I can find that suggests they were. I'm just asking that you pull one or two links from your "all over the place" evidence so that I can have the same faith that you do. I'm not finding it, so I'm asking you to show me. That's all.
Here are the links to LG's product listings for the O2x and the G2X, and the specifications can be viewed by clicking on the specifications tab for each product:
G2X here: http://www.lg.com/us/mobile-phones/LG-P999.jsp
O2x here: http://www.lg.com/uk/mobile-phones/all-lg-phones/LG-android-mobile-phone-P990.jsp
**EDIT** -- Let me just add that I sincerely hope you prove me wrong, because that would be some awesome news about this phone.
Will the infuse be able to run off the new lte network?
Even I know the answer to this...no
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No no no and..............???? No
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hold up a verizon lte phone to the infuse. the verizon phone will be twice as thick to hold that lte radio.
Nah ATT will have LTE in 5 cities by the end of the summer? I forgot, but yeah ATT is getting LTE.....
LTE is a different band therefore different modem. Infuse doesn't have an LTE modem/hardware. Done.s
Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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no, but there are radio chipsets that can do both. I don't think the infuse has this chip. and the infuse is not spec'd to have lte capabilities.
2g,3g,and 4g are just marketing terms that are supposed to give a general idea to the consumer how fast it is.
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Chatted with AT&T tech support Mark. He said "HSPA+ and LTE are one and the same". Can I believe this guy?
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No. He has NO clue.
Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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Well at least you found Jesus...
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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That's somewhat more believable - e.g. the hardware is capable but the radio baseband isn't yet.
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Chatted with another AT&T tech support Jesus. According to him, "Infuse can run on both [HSPA and LTE] ... It is a phone designed for this transition since 4G level speeds are available with both LTE and the HSPA networks. And the Infuse can access them both. The Motorola Atrix as well ... I am not able to find documentation that is not proprietary. The information I have, since LTE is only in testing stages, is that LTE compatibility is not posted on the Specifications. The 4G speeds are currently being provided by an enhanced version of HSPA and HSPDA, and the phones are connectible. The 4G phones, such as designated the Atrix and the Infuse, will be able to access LTE once it becomes established via a software upgrade."
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the motorola xoom is lte upgradable so ther eis a posibility that the atrix is as well. this says nothing for the infuse. t-mo had the 4g flag on there hspa+ devices months ago and they cannot be upgraded to lte. it is a marketing game that started with sprint (wimax isnt all that fast compared to hspa which can run at 14.4mbps, hspa+ can run at 42mbps but att is only willing to supply 7.2 and 21mbps respectively http://www.intomobile.com/2010/06/04/data-speed-showdown-sprint-4g-vs-t-mobile-hspa/) 4g just means that it is faster than 3g was, infact wimax is barely comperable to 3g with hspa on many gsm networks. the 4g flag offers no garentee that it will support lte on any carrieer other than verizon. att reps often speculate and talk out of there assses, many times the information comes from customers and not corperate.
The infuse supports the highest speed of lte and hspa that ATT has out now and it will support the fastest they have by the end of 2011. My ATT Rep (for work) told me so and has one herself.
Edit: btw, my att Rep, represents my entire district, highly doubt she would talk out of her ass, but I do agree that the ones u find in the stores r mostly untrained
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
i believe att will wait for the tmobile acquisition to finalize before releasing lte devices so they can use as many bands and cell towers as possible, easing network load issues and increasing coverage speed and reliablility.
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.
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Most of the population would raise a brow if u even mentioned the terms HSPA or LTE. They didn't advertise it because spending that much money to advertise a feature that only 5% (guesstimate) of the population knows about isn't the brightest idea.
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Verizon built an entire ad campaign around LTE
http://androidcommunity.com/verizon...-its-the-most-advanced-4g-available-20101122/
And I can't seem to find the ad with the kid in the store, but they definitely push the fact that it's 4G LTE upgradeable. If ATT could, they would.
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There' no way. If the Infuse were capable of LTE they would have advertised the hell out of that. Unfortunately reps aren't engineers and clearly don't understand the technology. Now the infuse may be capable of the fastest speeds, i.e. equal to whatever the LTE network is limited to, but it's not connecting using LTE.
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Agreed...
As you point out in your next post, carriers do not shy away from using technical terminology in their advertising. Further, even if this were the case, one would expect LTE connectivity to at least be listed on the spec sheet. Not only is it NOT there, but it was not on the sheet I saw back when this thing went to the FCC. I'm not a lawyer, but assuming what was posted was what the FCC was looking at, I believe AT&T would be in violation of the law if this thing supported LTE.
DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used. Remember when AT&T had their last Mea Culpa moment and enabled 3G on the 850 MHz band? (Because it penetrates buildings better)
If the Infuse *is* capable of LTE, that's news to everyone. It would be on Samsung's Spec sheet. The manufacturer would want to announce ANYTHING that it's capable of.
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DING DING DING!
We have a winner!
HSPA+ and LTE are NOT the same thing and the radio bands have little to nothing to do with which tech is used.
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I'm from the SGS2 forum and we're having this debate too. A leak of the new 2.3.4 ROM that's supposed to be released at the end of the month has APN's for AT&T's LTE network along with PNGs of their unique LTE logos. So whatever version of the SGS2 AT&Ts releasing, it will run the same ROM as the international version. So, based on what you said about the "tech," what do you think what I just shared means? Is adding the 700mhz frequency to an existing radio all that's necessary to access LTE? Could the existing radios already support the frequency but have it disabled? No one really has a lot of info on LTE so it's kind of a mystery.
Here's an interesting article...
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2388526,00.asp
Im planning to buy either one of this phone but something is confusing me about the 3G. I dont have a 4g plan only 3g. Will there be a difference in speed if i use 3g for both phone?
I copied this from gsm arena. This confuses me???
G2x HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA
Optimus 2x HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
G2X is for USA T-Mobile bands 4g/3g, edge as well. The optimus 2X is for European bands on DT
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks. Be careful as there are some P999s marketed as 2X, such as in Canada by Wind Mobile. G2X is a proprietary T-Mobile name and only they can use it. So you should think in terms of P990 and P999, not 2X and G2X.
I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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T-Mobile doesn't have true 4G. They have HSDPA+ which can get speeds up to 42Mbps but you never see these speeds in real life. The modem in the P999 (G2X) has a max download capability of 21Mbps. There is no definition of 4G so carriers like T-Mobile can call anything they want as 4G as a marketing ploy. Here in Thailand we have 42Mpbs speeds now but nobody has the balls to call it 4G. For example, TOT3G calls it 3.9G. So yes, it is very possible that T-Mobile's 4G is the same as Wind's 3G if Wind is running HSDPA+, which most carriers have deployed by now.
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks.
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I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
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I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
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Almost all of Europe uses 2100Mhz so you are better off with a P999 (G2X) because it has a faster 3G radio (21Mbps) as compared to a P990 (7.2Mbps). Both phones will work in Europe on almost all (if not all) 3G systems.
"BN" is a new one. Haven't heard of that one before. Most of the suffixes don't mean much. They designate hardware revisions or refurb units. Other known suffixes are DW, DWU, DWDP and WA. You sure it is "BN?" The LG Updater doesn't show that suffix as supported as of yet. Probably because yours came with the latest v21e rom so there is nothing for the updater to updater yet on yours.
well im looking into moving to straight talk under t mobile... Ive had both at*t and t mobile here in nyc and i would have to say t mobile gives me better speed at the sacrifice of some low signals. (in regards to t mobiles HSPA+ network) now ive been looking at these phones as ive sold my old phones and will be starting fresh with a new phone to start straight talk service ( i no longer have my phones from t-mobile or at*t)
Motorola MB886 Atrix HD
Pantech Flex P8010
Optimus L9 P769
HTC Raider 4G
LG Thrill 4G P925
HTC Sensation XE
myTouch 4G
now on gsmarena it list the different bands (freq.) these phones above run on.. even if some of them originally were made for only one carrier such as the (pantech flex).
My question is how do i know if the phones listed above are DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE with the straight talk T MOBILE HSPA+ network ( when i had my old t mobile galaxy s II i was getting 6-8Mbps with ease)
Assuming i would have to unlock the phone of choice regardless if its a carrier exclusive yes?
Are there any specific bands i should look out for to know for sure that the phone WILL work on the HSPA+ network of T-MOBILE? can an unlock pantech flex originally exclusive for at&t work on t mobile HSPA+ network without a problem with the same data speeds Ive seen?
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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I have the Optimus L9 (P769).. I have Simple as my carrier, which is also a T-Mobile MVNO.. I average about the same speed as you with your S II.. The Optimus is a good phone, though it does have a major drawback.. You can't move apps to your SD card.. Even though mine has been rooted, still not possible.. It does have a slot for an SD, But it's only good for music, vids, etc. And with only 2GB internal storage, it's really not that much..
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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My mistake, always mixing up the two. Haha
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