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At&t and T-Mobile HSPA+ can run same device?

I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
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xAliceNine said:
I know how At&t are gonna have HSPA+ 4g, I'm confused about the new devices they're gonna have that support HSPA+. Are they going to be able to connect to HSPA+ on T-Mobile's network.
So for example, I buy an unlocked HSPA+ tablet from AT&T, straight from their store. Is it going to be able to use T-Mobile's HSPA+ network if I put a T-Mobile SIM card inside?
Also, one last question, if I use T-Mobile's SIM card, do I have to do some special stuff to get it to work on their cell network? Like how you have to unlock an iPhone for it to work on T-Mobile?
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Hello,
Unfortunately you will not be able to use HSPA+. HSPA+ is just an extension/revision of the current 3G. Effectively it is also called 3.5G/3.75G in some reports. They use the same 3G band of each respective company. The At&t tablet would work on 850/1900 band and T-mobile will work on their AWS (1700) band. So if you bought an At&t tablet, you may need to get it unlocked, not sure if they lock the sim on tablets. At best you would get Edge service with a T-mobile sim.

thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..

xAliceNine said:
thanks man, argg
do you think it's worth it to change to at&t because I just heard of the Motorola Atrix and it sound PRETTY BAD ASS!
I don't know since people I know are always angry at AT&T for their service either..
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NP. I have had every major carrier offered in the US. I have had at&t, t-mobile, and sprint within the last year. I had verizon a while ago and dropped them because they could never get my bill right. Honestly, the service is about the same. The question is how is the service in your area. I mainly stay in my area about 90-98% of the time. I live in a major city so all carries have great service. But I have stayed with At&t for the last few years. Every time I go to another carrier I kept my at&t service, go figure. So I would just look at coverage to where you travel the most and go with a carrier that will give you the best coverage for the best price. Do i prefer a carrier over another, yeah. I like GSM carriers better because I do like to surf and talk at the same time. Sprint can do this if your in a 4G coverage area and have a 4G phone. Verizon is a no go with this feature until they release their LTE phones. But At&t has a better coverage footprint than T-mobile that is why I stick with them. Hope it helps.

Wondering a bit about this too.
I have service through Bendbroadband using a HSPA+ SIM with USB modem Dongle by bandluxe. The service is stellar on the speed, but I can't use the dongle with everything (iPad), so looking for alternate routes before i decide to move to a different provider.
I noticed that the CTO of the company said in a comment regarding their service that any unlocked UE that supports HSPA/HSPA+ in the AWS band could be used, but also had an unclear reponse on cell phones with HSPA+.
I have a Huawei Comet (unlocked), it lists the same AWS Bands compatible, but says HSDPA (which I thought HSDPA + HSUPA = HSPA+ but at higher speeds, correct me if I am wrong), and has hotspot tether that works with tmobile web service no problem.
I plugged the SIM in, and it updates the bar with BendBroadband but I get no data. (might need to provide the IMEI or something)..
Curious if you think it should work, before i go knocking on their doors.
Some other specs:
the mytouch 4g (HSPA+) lists the bands as:850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
The comet is listed as: 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz;UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
I am fairly sure the comet is HSPA+ but not advertised that way.

According to comments on the site, Bendbroadband technicians do not actually support moving of the SIMs. Bummer.. trying to keep my business local.. Bumping and moving to Tmobile once the month is up.

[Q] Could the Atrix be hacked to work on t-mobile?

It does operate on GSM but I don't know if t-mobile's HSDPA network would be compatible. I'm so disappointed that there are no good android phones announced for t-mobile at CES

Actually rumor has it that the LG Optimus 2x will be coming to T-Mobile.
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It does operate on GSM but I don't know if t-mobile's HSDPA network would be compatible. I'm so disappointed that there are no good android phones announced for t-mobile at CES
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I'm more interested in the higher resolution screen of the atrix

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I'm more interested in the higher resolution screen of the atrix
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And the monster battery.
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No. I am assuming that Motorola didn't pentaband this phone and you are stuck to using EDGE if you are on T-Mobile.

http://www.gsmarena.com/motorola_atrix-3709.php
2G Network GSM 850 / 900 / 1800 / 1900
3G Network HSDPA 850 / 900 / 1900 / 2100
I don't know about US but this means it will work on every Australian carrier, toot!

That sucks. I'm on Mobilcity in Canada and I hope to give my G1 to my dad and get a Atrix if it comes to t-mobile.

It sucks that t-mobile always gets lame phones.
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T-Mobile Compromise on great phones
T-Mobile ranks 4th (practically Last Place) in US because they hardly ever get the latest great phones. They always are a step or two below what the top 3 have. Atrix for AT&T but Cliq-2 for T-Mo!!! what a difference. I've been with T-Mo for over 7 years & every time a great phone is announced I want to switch carrier and I finally decided to switch in order to get the Atrix. Hope, Moto learn from Samsung Galaxy & start releasing it to all carriers.

Tmobile was the first GHZ phone in the US, the ever popular HD2 anyone, which is still alive and kicking even today.

Just wait a few months. AT&T acquired tmobile and will be fully integrated by December (rumoured).

T-mobile's going to upgrade 4G speeds to 42 Mbps

T-Mobile Makes America’s Largest 4G Network Even Faster by Lighting Up 42 Mbps Speed in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando
The Company’s Innovative 4G Device Portfolio Expands With Tablet, Mobile Broadband Devices and Smartphones, Including the T-Mobile G2x with Google
Orlando, Fla. and Bellevue, Wash. — Mar. 21, 2011 PDT
Today at the International CTIA Wireless 2011, T-Mobile USA, Inc. announced the expansion of its broad selection of consumer-ready 4G products, including the T-Mobile® G2x with Google™ which is built for speed and mobile entertainment. T-Mobile also announced the first major markets where it is doubling the speed of its 4G network to achieve a theoretical download speed of 42 Mbps. T-Mobile customers in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando, Fla., will be the first in the country to experience the increased 4G speed, followed closely by Chicago and further expansion of the New York network into Long Island, N.Y., and Northern New Jersey. By mid-year, T-Mobile expects 140 million Americans in 25 markets to have access to increased 4G speeds.
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http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4g-smartphone-tablet-network-sidekick-g2x-gslate
That new just cheered me up a little that we could theoretically get up to 42 Mbps 4G speeds. Can't wait to see how fast the speeds would be once they activate those speeds

No more upgrade to 42mbps why waist money let AT&T do the upgrade

Don't cheer too much yet, we need to wait a year. Also in a year AT&T will fully acquire T-Mobile and its networks. They paid the T-Mobile's owner 25BILLION up front. And AT&T will recieve the other 14BILLION from stock shares.

I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.

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I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Hmmm...would seem redundant due to tmos larger 4g network and since they're both gsm networks there shouldn't be an issue.
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DoneDunIt said:
I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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I read that at&t is shutting down the 3g band but u can still access the 4g bands since it will be the same at as at&t's..

pinoyz said:
Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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Can you cite any reliable sources that say our phones will be useless? According to t-mo, they will work fine...
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/t-mobile-posts-question-answer-on-att-acquisition/
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Agree with the guy above. Sources?
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Here is one link. ATT want current T-Mobile "4G" spectrum for LTE. GSM will continue to work on TMO phones the way I read it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/21/confirmed-atandt-wants-to-use-t-mobiles-aws-spectrum-for-lte-bui/

Att is looking to add frequencies to their new phones coming out. That way they can free up some of the congestion. If you think about it....killing off the tmo 4g would be stupid. Heck we only get 2g where I live now. Do you really need 3g or 4g? Nope I get plenty of wifi when out and about! Failed attempt by att as far as I'm concerned.
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I highly doubt they will turn off T-Mobiles 4G it would be a disadvantage to service and a useless expense.
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this would be great if i was getting drastically higher speeds on my mt4g. I get maybe 1 mb higher (on avg) than a non hspa+ device. so i dont care if it is 100mpbs im not seeing any huge speed boost in my HSPA+ area (miami, fl)

Quick question, doesn't the nexus s have the same bandwidths as t-mobile AND at&t? If so, the nexus s it is.
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The only thing I'm worried about is at&ts plans. Once my contract is up having to switch to there worthless plans is bs. I got unlimited everything right now.
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Does the UK HTC one S support 4G ??

Everything every where are going 4g Soon.
I know the US version gets very high speeds.
Will i need a new phone?

the US HTC One S says 4G but its just DC HSPA+ which seems to work in India (Vodafone) its not 4g but we can say partial 4g the hspa+ signal is doubled to get double speed 42Mbps if am not wrong ..cheers bro .
And Like here 4G LTE (100mbps) is launched if it is launched in UK too , you will need new phone . NO 4g LTE phone has been launched yet in India . But they are giving Wifi routers

ah pants, wish id known before buying

Realistically I don't think it matters. NOBODY actually gets anywhere close to 100 Mbps on any LTE connection. They'd be lucky to get 30. In that sense if we can hit those speeds on DC-HSPA+ then who cares about LTE?

so can i get the new 4g in the uk or not? Im now confused?

Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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So keep it and see i guess?
Only i would of sold it before there is a mass of htc one s phones on the market that are not capable.

I read that the lte frequency in the UK is 1800mhz and the one s supports 1800mhz band

LTE is 4G. One S does not and cannot ever support LTE, and it's not a matter of frequencies.
One S does support DC-HSPA which gives a theoretical down link @ 42 Mbps.
Many many carriers around the world has DC-HSPA, Three in Sweden has it for example, though I haven't managed a better speedtest.net result than 19 Mbps myself on it... Best TMOUS speedtest.net I recall seeing here was ~25Mbps I think.
None of the 4 swedish carriers with LTE networks promise more than 80 Mbps, though the rules for calling something 4G originally stated it should provide 1Gbit to stationary users and 100 Mbps to mobile users.
T-mobile in USA calls DC-HSPA 4G for marketing reasons but it is still a 3G UMTS technology. Still plenty fast enough for anything on a phone IM:angel:

sorry im still confused...............
In plain terms for a idiot...
Do i need a new phone to take advantage of 4G as the mobile companies would have me believe

To take advantage of what some carriers like TMobile US would have you believe is 4G you don't need a new phone. If Three UK is anything like 3 Sweden then they have a nice 3G network which can pass for 4G in America.
To take advantage of LTE which is even faster you need a new phone.
You could download hrrm stream I mean say 9 HD episodes of say Top Gear and thus fill your entire sdcard on the One S in 120 minutes on a decent 3G connection though so I'd say LTE isn't really needed.

does 4G have a more reliable connection than 3G as sometimes i find 3G drops on the One S

In the UK, 4g is only available from EE (Orange/TMobile) and only in very few places and yes you need a new phone, also deep pockets because it is expensive.

After tweeting EE, they said the phone wasn't compatible with their 4G network.
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Yes - anyone wanting true 4G (LTE) will not be able to do so with any HTC One S.
It is worth noting, however, that anywhere you can get LTE you will almost certainly get HSPA+ (which is supported by One S). For most, that will mean speeds over 2Mb/s and up to 7Mb/s and cost significantly less than LTE. With EE currently not being very generous with their download limits (or coverage), why not stick with 3G until the market gets a bit more competitive? That will fit in nicely for when you are probably due a shiny new phone...

4g in the uk?

Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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mcscruff said:
Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.

PercyR said:
That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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I think you are confusing that the Optimus 3D is considered 4G ready in the US as they stupidly refer to HSDPA as 4G over there, which over here is 3.5G. There are no 4G ready phones over here yet as the EE network uses a different frequency to what current phones support for LTE (what powers 4G). They will require phones specifically adapted to their network and so no doubt they will be priced accordingly.
I figure the point is moot anyway as the poor speeds on T-Mobile aren't due to limitations to do with 3.5G, they deliberately throttle your speeds. That leads to be to believe that the related cost to actually get a decent speeds on their 4G network will be pretty high.
Its for this reason I am not bothered about 4G yet. For general web browsing the 1Mbit I get on 3.5G is sufficient, if I want any faster I can use WiFi. If I really REALLY needed more speed I would switch to Three which would get a huge speed boost without needing to buy a new phone. I only stick with T-Mobile because their call/text packages are good value and their coverage is excellent, which is more important than uber speed browsing to me.

That's 4G ready as in EE's 4G band will be in the 1800 Mhz range and that's one of the ranges that the O3D is capable of receiving. That was confirmed to me by T-Mobile UK.
I would expect that EE's 4G offering will come at a premium (at least for about a year until the other networks can provide 4G) but a work colleague popped into a new EE shop and they told him that an unlimited data plan would only be about £5 over and above a current 3G unlimited data.
To me, that sounds pretty good...
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I'm an an O2 unlimited data plan and I'll keep it going when 4g gets rolled out. I plan to pay no extra charges, same way I tether for free.
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