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Coming from Samsung Captivate...

What do I need to know moving from a 3G phone to a 4G phone (HTC Inspire)? Will the SIM and everything work with the phone right out of the box? Will I be charged extra for being on 4G?

Switching sim cards is not an issue. 4G technically doesn't exist yet for the Inspire.
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I need to switch out my SIM card or it will work as I have it?

It will work just fine.

It should work just by swapping sim cards. Eventually you may have to get a new sim when HSPA+ rolls out.
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Sounds great...thanks guys.

There should be some clarification made here. The Inspire requires a 4G data plan code to be added to your account - and it does require a new SIM if you are in a 4G area. Most of the coastlines around the country are 4G already. Well... "4G" anyway - the maximum theoretical modem speed in the Inspire is 14.4Mbps/5.76Mbps, which is pathetic considering T-Mo's 21Mbps phones and their 40+Mbps network.
Verizon currently holds the speed crown overall in the country when it comes to 4G speeds but it really depends on your area. Here in Colorado, Sprint bested both Verizon and T-Mobile on "4G" speed (WiMAX in their case) by a good margin in random tests by an independent lab not hired by Sprint.
Either way, I've seen T-Mobile tests that have passed 25Mbps - no joke - and I've yet to see more than 10Mbps (this was a test on Sprint) or 7Mbps on Verizon but at&t struggles to get 2Mbps so its a huge upgrade anyway.

EtherealRemnant said:
There should be some clarification made here. The Inspire requires a 4G data plan code to be added to your account - and it does require a new SIM if you are in a 4G area. Most of the coastlines around the country are 4G already. Well... "4G" anyway - the maximum theoretical modem speed in the Inspire is 14.4Mbps/5.76Mbps, which is pathetic considering T-Mo's 21Mbps phones and their 40+Mbps network.
Verizon currently holds the speed crown overall in the country when it comes to 4G speeds but it really depends on your area. Here in Colorado, Sprint bested both Verizon and T-Mobile on "4G" speed (WiMAX in their case) by a good margin in random tests by an independent lab not hired by Sprint.
Either way, I've seen T-Mobile tests that have passed 25Mbps - no joke - and I've yet to see more than 10Mbps (this was a test on Sprint) or 7Mbps on Verizon but at&t struggles to get 2Mbps so its a huge upgrade anyway.
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According to several ATT corporate folks the 4G sim cards will probably not be required for some time. Its basically a new paint job on the old cards. And this is coming from the Dallas/Fort Worth area, aka Big Blues Backyard. Eventually 4G will he turned on. Then ATTs version of LTE. And it will be widely used & consumed. But until then its no real worry. Think about when 3G phones first started rolling out. We were still rocking our old sim cards for quite a while but there was an eventual need to change.
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ryanmfraser said:
According to several ATT corporate folks the 4G sim cards will probably not be required for some time. Its basically a new paint job on the old cards. And this is coming from the Dallas/Fort Worth area, aka Big Blues Backyard. Eventually 4G will he turned on. Then ATTs version of LTE. And it will be widely used & consumed. But until then its no real worry. Think about when 3G phones first started rolling out. We were still rocking our old sim cards for quite a while but there was an eventual need to change.
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I got the information straight from a manager in business services. The new SIM cards that are being deployed with these phones are required, along with a new SOC code for "4G" internet service to work when it is deployed. If you go to at&t's website and look at their 4G map, it has been turned on in a very small number of places (Texas and Buffalo, NY to name two) and if you are using an old SIM, you will not get the faster speeds. I hate this SIM card business honestly. Coming from CDMA, it royally sucks when you have an issue and your cell is your only phone because of the fact that inactive SIMs cannot call 611. I went through that hell today. Inactive CDMA phones will still call customer service, giving you the freedom to get technical support without much of a fuss. I had to call at&t three times today because of provisioning issues with my Inspire and being unable to call from another phone.
In any case, if you are in a 4G area, you need a 4G SIM to be able to connect to the HSPA+ network, just like EDGE SIMs didn't connect to the 3G network when it FINALLY started to launch.

aaronv89 said:
I need to switch out my SIM card or it will work as I have it?
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Well when I bought mine they changed the sim I used to have in the iPhone 3G with a new one... So I guess you should to.. It's free so why not?
It's true the 4G it's more an 3 1/2 G but what is gonna happen when they actually enable it???

This is why I said you "may" need the card. At&T has been vague on this
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Inspire 4G LTE?

I don't know much since I just got this phone today but is this phone going to be LTE capable? Cause the rep at the AT&T store told me it was. Is he BSing me?
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I believe lte needs a special chip installed and our phones does NOT have it. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.

No...no ATT phone currently is LTE compatible.
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Thanks for the info just wanted to know if they were lying lol
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The inspire is not lte capable and att does not have it out yet. Att has the h+ which uses the hspa service but is it's next gen. True lte uses the 700 mHz band which att doesn't have out yet and the inspire does not have a capable radio to utilize it.

Figured. What a lying sack of.....lol
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I can tell you first hand that AT&T is slowly but surly getting ready to launch LTE. I am an electrician for a local contractor and we will be responcible for installing the LTE controllers and cabinets at many cell sites throughout PA, DE and NJ. Once we have them in place the cell techs will run the fiber then test and launch (who knows how long that will take)
After seeing the trouble that many ppl are having with Verizon ill stick with what I have for now.
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For the last time:
Inspire can run on the LTE stack but can't take advantage of the LTE throughput.
So AT&T reps can say the phone is LTE "compatible" or "capable." Gullible consumer will assume Inspire can run LTE speed, while educated XDA readers know better.
You have to ask a more direct question of "will the Inspire be able to take advantage of the LTE speed?" Then the truth will come out.
If you pester enough, they'll sometimes do a 180 and claim HSPA+ will be just as fast as LTE. lol.
FYI, LTE (3.9G) runs voice & data on the same stack, versus 3G and HSPA+ (3.5G) which runs voice and data on separate stacks. LTE will always be faster no matter how much "backhaul" improvements AT&T makes.
Patiently waiting for LTE Advanced with 1Gb throughput....

What is funny is their website. For the inspire specs it says LTE. But only on their website.

The website doesn't say LTE...... it lists 4G: HSPA+/ LTE on the left and under the phones specs it says HSPA+. The left is just listing the 4G technologies that will be available, the right column where the actual phone specs are tell you it uses HSPA+. This is why people have gotten confused. To me it clearly says HSPA+, but I can see how it can get confused.
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This thread looks really familiar.

Confused??!?!

Hi im waiting for my sensation toarrive....My confusion comes from References to Sensation 4g...In the uk we dont get 4g so mine will not be the 4g,But tools like Temp root all refer to the 4g and dont mention the 3g?
I dont want to brick my shiny phone when it arrives so is anyone able to ellaborate any diffs between the 4g and the uk version? Is the 4g GSM or CDMA? Is the 4g on tmobile??
Sorry if this has been asked i dont want to seem like an arse

The guides work for both, just that most users on here seem to be American. The European model isn't 4G

It is basically just a naming difference, american carriers like to advertise as being "4G" even when they are only operating 3G networks, and the phone is only 3G capable (like T-Mobile US - they call HSPA+ "4G", which is a technology most modern networks have implemented at this time and is most definitively "3G").
I don't think there is any GSM/UMTS/LTE-capable phone from a major manufacturer available in the market (or even announced) at this point. There are, however, some USB datasticks that are LTE ("4G") capable.
And while the UK may lag a bit behind in LTE coverage compared to some countries of continental europe (although it really doesn't matter all that much at this point), LTE trials are being conducted in the UK at this time.
The Sensation and Sensation 4G are both capable of exactly the same speeds & standards.
Don't be fooled by all the "4G"-marketing, it is exceptionally meaningless.

There are a couple here in the US. Verizon and MetroPCS both have LTE.
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Both are CDMA/LTE-carriers, not really comparable.
AT&T has started building a LTE-network as well, but their phones advertised as "4G" are still regular GSM/UMTS-phones (typically HSPA+ capable).
Which further reinforces my point, "4G" has become a meaningless marketing-term slapped on anything to suggest extraordinary speed to the uninformed.

Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+

bonesy said:
Thanks guys,Great help as usual! Confusing though when US call it 4G and UK call is HSDPA or 3G+
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Just wondering.. Since UK considers the 10mbs+ some people get as 3g still, what speeds are considered 4G there? Not trying to flame, just curious.
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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
Where I live, providers advertise with HSPA+ and LTE directly, A1 marketed "air to fiber" to highlight their supposedly fast backend.

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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.

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It's not about speed, but technology - only LTE is considered "true" 4G over here, while HSPA is still very clearly a 3G technology.
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I see... So maybe carriers are are advertising 4G speeds and not technology. Makes sense to me. Are speeds there about the same on "3g+ "?
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And you folks are much more accurate in your description. Have to love marketing BS here in the States.
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Lol yea.. I I just signed a contract with America's largest 4G network and constantly get 200–500kbs on speedtest.
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Well when i had my Hero, Editing the build.prop line which said *something*gprs.class=10 to 12 i got 6-7mb download,which was enough to tether to my pc and HOST Modern warfare 2 with no problems

Does the UK HTC one S support 4G ??

Everything every where are going 4g Soon.
I know the US version gets very high speeds.
Will i need a new phone?

the US HTC One S says 4G but its just DC HSPA+ which seems to work in India (Vodafone) its not 4g but we can say partial 4g the hspa+ signal is doubled to get double speed 42Mbps if am not wrong ..cheers bro .
And Like here 4G LTE (100mbps) is launched if it is launched in UK too , you will need new phone . NO 4g LTE phone has been launched yet in India . But they are giving Wifi routers

ah pants, wish id known before buying

Realistically I don't think it matters. NOBODY actually gets anywhere close to 100 Mbps on any LTE connection. They'd be lucky to get 30. In that sense if we can hit those speeds on DC-HSPA+ then who cares about LTE?

so can i get the new 4g in the uk or not? Im now confused?

Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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aditya. said:
Hopefully yes, use this phone only dnt sell it
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So keep it and see i guess?
Only i would of sold it before there is a mass of htc one s phones on the market that are not capable.

I read that the lte frequency in the UK is 1800mhz and the one s supports 1800mhz band

LTE is 4G. One S does not and cannot ever support LTE, and it's not a matter of frequencies.
One S does support DC-HSPA which gives a theoretical down link @ 42 Mbps.
Many many carriers around the world has DC-HSPA, Three in Sweden has it for example, though I haven't managed a better speedtest.net result than 19 Mbps myself on it... Best TMOUS speedtest.net I recall seeing here was ~25Mbps I think.
None of the 4 swedish carriers with LTE networks promise more than 80 Mbps, though the rules for calling something 4G originally stated it should provide 1Gbit to stationary users and 100 Mbps to mobile users.
T-mobile in USA calls DC-HSPA 4G for marketing reasons but it is still a 3G UMTS technology. Still plenty fast enough for anything on a phone IM:angel:

sorry im still confused...............
In plain terms for a idiot...
Do i need a new phone to take advantage of 4G as the mobile companies would have me believe

To take advantage of what some carriers like TMobile US would have you believe is 4G you don't need a new phone. If Three UK is anything like 3 Sweden then they have a nice 3G network which can pass for 4G in America.
To take advantage of LTE which is even faster you need a new phone.
You could download hrrm stream I mean say 9 HD episodes of say Top Gear and thus fill your entire sdcard on the One S in 120 minutes on a decent 3G connection though so I'd say LTE isn't really needed.

does 4G have a more reliable connection than 3G as sometimes i find 3G drops on the One S

In the UK, 4g is only available from EE (Orange/TMobile) and only in very few places and yes you need a new phone, also deep pockets because it is expensive.

After tweeting EE, they said the phone wasn't compatible with their 4G network.
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Yes - anyone wanting true 4G (LTE) will not be able to do so with any HTC One S.
It is worth noting, however, that anywhere you can get LTE you will almost certainly get HSPA+ (which is supported by One S). For most, that will mean speeds over 2Mb/s and up to 7Mb/s and cost significantly less than LTE. With EE currently not being very generous with their download limits (or coverage), why not stick with 3G until the market gets a bit more competitive? That will fit in nicely for when you are probably due a shiny new phone...

4g in the uk?

Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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mcscruff said:
Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.

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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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I think you are confusing that the Optimus 3D is considered 4G ready in the US as they stupidly refer to HSDPA as 4G over there, which over here is 3.5G. There are no 4G ready phones over here yet as the EE network uses a different frequency to what current phones support for LTE (what powers 4G). They will require phones specifically adapted to their network and so no doubt they will be priced accordingly.
I figure the point is moot anyway as the poor speeds on T-Mobile aren't due to limitations to do with 3.5G, they deliberately throttle your speeds. That leads to be to believe that the related cost to actually get a decent speeds on their 4G network will be pretty high.
Its for this reason I am not bothered about 4G yet. For general web browsing the 1Mbit I get on 3.5G is sufficient, if I want any faster I can use WiFi. If I really REALLY needed more speed I would switch to Three which would get a huge speed boost without needing to buy a new phone. I only stick with T-Mobile because their call/text packages are good value and their coverage is excellent, which is more important than uber speed browsing to me.

That's 4G ready as in EE's 4G band will be in the 1800 Mhz range and that's one of the ranges that the O3D is capable of receiving. That was confirmed to me by T-Mobile UK.
I would expect that EE's 4G offering will come at a premium (at least for about a year until the other networks can provide 4G) but a work colleague popped into a new EE shop and they told him that an unlimited data plan would only be about £5 over and above a current 3G unlimited data.
To me, that sounds pretty good...
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I'm an an O2 unlimited data plan and I'll keep it going when 4g gets rolled out. I plan to pay no extra charges, same way I tether for free.
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