What do I need to know moving from a 3G phone to a 4G phone (HTC Inspire)? Will the SIM and everything work with the phone right out of the box? Will I be charged extra for being on 4G?
Switching sim cards is not an issue. 4G technically doesn't exist yet for the Inspire.
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I need to switch out my SIM card or it will work as I have it?
It will work just fine.
It should work just by swapping sim cards. Eventually you may have to get a new sim when HSPA+ rolls out.
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Sounds great...thanks guys.
There should be some clarification made here. The Inspire requires a 4G data plan code to be added to your account - and it does require a new SIM if you are in a 4G area. Most of the coastlines around the country are 4G already. Well... "4G" anyway - the maximum theoretical modem speed in the Inspire is 14.4Mbps/5.76Mbps, which is pathetic considering T-Mo's 21Mbps phones and their 40+Mbps network.
Verizon currently holds the speed crown overall in the country when it comes to 4G speeds but it really depends on your area. Here in Colorado, Sprint bested both Verizon and T-Mobile on "4G" speed (WiMAX in their case) by a good margin in random tests by an independent lab not hired by Sprint.
Either way, I've seen T-Mobile tests that have passed 25Mbps - no joke - and I've yet to see more than 10Mbps (this was a test on Sprint) or 7Mbps on Verizon but at&t struggles to get 2Mbps so its a huge upgrade anyway.
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There should be some clarification made here. The Inspire requires a 4G data plan code to be added to your account - and it does require a new SIM if you are in a 4G area. Most of the coastlines around the country are 4G already. Well... "4G" anyway - the maximum theoretical modem speed in the Inspire is 14.4Mbps/5.76Mbps, which is pathetic considering T-Mo's 21Mbps phones and their 40+Mbps network.
Verizon currently holds the speed crown overall in the country when it comes to 4G speeds but it really depends on your area. Here in Colorado, Sprint bested both Verizon and T-Mobile on "4G" speed (WiMAX in their case) by a good margin in random tests by an independent lab not hired by Sprint.
Either way, I've seen T-Mobile tests that have passed 25Mbps - no joke - and I've yet to see more than 10Mbps (this was a test on Sprint) or 7Mbps on Verizon but at&t struggles to get 2Mbps so its a huge upgrade anyway.
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According to several ATT corporate folks the 4G sim cards will probably not be required for some time. Its basically a new paint job on the old cards. And this is coming from the Dallas/Fort Worth area, aka Big Blues Backyard. Eventually 4G will he turned on. Then ATTs version of LTE. And it will be widely used & consumed. But until then its no real worry. Think about when 3G phones first started rolling out. We were still rocking our old sim cards for quite a while but there was an eventual need to change.
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According to several ATT corporate folks the 4G sim cards will probably not be required for some time. Its basically a new paint job on the old cards. And this is coming from the Dallas/Fort Worth area, aka Big Blues Backyard. Eventually 4G will he turned on. Then ATTs version of LTE. And it will be widely used & consumed. But until then its no real worry. Think about when 3G phones first started rolling out. We were still rocking our old sim cards for quite a while but there was an eventual need to change.
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I got the information straight from a manager in business services. The new SIM cards that are being deployed with these phones are required, along with a new SOC code for "4G" internet service to work when it is deployed. If you go to at&t's website and look at their 4G map, it has been turned on in a very small number of places (Texas and Buffalo, NY to name two) and if you are using an old SIM, you will not get the faster speeds. I hate this SIM card business honestly. Coming from CDMA, it royally sucks when you have an issue and your cell is your only phone because of the fact that inactive SIMs cannot call 611. I went through that hell today. Inactive CDMA phones will still call customer service, giving you the freedom to get technical support without much of a fuss. I had to call at&t three times today because of provisioning issues with my Inspire and being unable to call from another phone.
In any case, if you are in a 4G area, you need a 4G SIM to be able to connect to the HSPA+ network, just like EDGE SIMs didn't connect to the 3G network when it FINALLY started to launch.
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I need to switch out my SIM card or it will work as I have it?
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Well when I bought mine they changed the sim I used to have in the iPhone 3G with a new one... So I guess you should to.. It's free so why not?
It's true the 4G it's more an 3 1/2 G but what is gonna happen when they actually enable it???
This is why I said you "may" need the card. At&T has been vague on this
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anyone able to get download over 3mb with stock rom un-rooted?
i rooted my phone, my H+ icon is gone, i guess i'm not connecting to 4g network?
i never get speed over 2.5mb!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1702731-AT-amp-T-4G-Coverage-Map?p=14276448#post14276448
You mean 4G like speeds?
The highest I'm getting in Houston is around 3.1 mbps, a rep told me that Houston went green on Sunday but that they're waiting on the new 4G sim cards. Supposedly this will give us the speed boast but I'm not about to hold my breath.
Those new 4G sim cars do not affect HSPA+, those are for LTE when that is deployed. Only the backhaul increases speed.
I live just south of Dallas. I rooted my phone and The most Ive gotten is 4.38 down and 1.31 up. On average I get about 3.1. I am also using a 3g sim card.
Yea I wasn't quite sure if that was true at all. I just kept nodding my head like "okay that's nice".
Yep that's exactly it. The 3G sim cards work just fine for hspa+ when att goes to lte then you will need a new sim card.
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anyone able to get download over 3mb with stock rom un-rooted?
i rooted my phone, my H+ icon is gone, i guess i'm not connecting to 4g network?
i never get speed over 2.5mb!
http://www.howardforums.com/showthread.php/1702731-AT-amp-T-4G-Coverage-Map?p=14276448#post14276448
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I was getting over 4 mbps late in the evening. But average around 2.5-3
All the speeds that you guys are posting are 3g. The only exception might be the 4.38 klquicksall got. The phone will work perfect with a 3g sim but all ATT employees are instructed to use the new sim cards. I highly doubt ATT would make us use sim cards that do not have a purpose. If the sim cards are for the LTE network that would be really strange considering that is not even supposed to be released for another 6 months at least. I am not completely sure that they have even flipped the switch on the HSPA+ network yet.
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All the speeds that you guys are posting are 3g. The only exception might be the 4.38 klquicksall got. The phone will work perfect with a 3g sim but all ATT employees are instructed to use the new sim cards. I highly doubt ATT would make us use sim cards that do not have a purpose. If the sim cards are for the LTE network that would be really strange considering that is not even supposed to be released for another 6 months at least. I am not completely sure that they have even flipped the switch on the HSPA+ network yet.
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i believe this is right. there hasnt been advertising for 4g yet. their commercials still say "now getting faster with 4g" and their website says the same thing. If they had it on, it would probably be different like "now with 4g". i think once they have their hspa+ network on, you will see advertisements about it. those who have the H+ shown on their phone probably means that you are in hspa+ coverage once it turns on. that is just my theory on the subject though.
Also, everything I have read says the Inspire is NOT even LTE compatible.
The new sim cards or for LTE use which wont have any effect on the phones we have now. The only reason for the push would be so when LTE phones are available int he future all you need is to replace the phone and not the sim.
And yes the Inspire is not an LTE phone but this information has been available since before launch as its simply a US version of the DHD. Its 4G through HSPA+.
PS: Have had the Inspire since launch and love it!
4g speed
I actually got 15.89 up and 3.66 down yesterday. That freaked me out!
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I actually got 15.89 up and 3.66 down yesterday. That freaked me out!
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how is that possible? you mean the other way around? And were you on wifi?
T-Mobile Makes America’s Largest 4G Network Even Faster by Lighting Up 42 Mbps Speed in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando
The Company’s Innovative 4G Device Portfolio Expands With Tablet, Mobile Broadband Devices and Smartphones, Including the T-Mobile G2x with Google
Orlando, Fla. and Bellevue, Wash. — Mar. 21, 2011 PDT
Today at the International CTIA Wireless 2011, T-Mobile USA, Inc. announced the expansion of its broad selection of consumer-ready 4G products, including the T-Mobile® G2x with Google™ which is built for speed and mobile entertainment. T-Mobile also announced the first major markets where it is doubling the speed of its 4G network to achieve a theoretical download speed of 42 Mbps. T-Mobile customers in Las Vegas, New York and Orlando, Fla., will be the first in the country to experience the increased 4G speed, followed closely by Chicago and further expansion of the New York network into Long Island, N.Y., and Northern New Jersey. By mid-year, T-Mobile expects 140 million Americans in 25 markets to have access to increased 4G speeds.
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http://newsroom.t-mobile.com/articles/4g-smartphone-tablet-network-sidekick-g2x-gslate
That new just cheered me up a little that we could theoretically get up to 42 Mbps 4G speeds. Can't wait to see how fast the speeds would be once they activate those speeds
No more upgrade to 42mbps why waist money let AT&T do the upgrade
Don't cheer too much yet, we need to wait a year. Also in a year AT&T will fully acquire T-Mobile and its networks. They paid the T-Mobile's owner 25BILLION up front. And AT&T will recieve the other 14BILLION from stock shares.
I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Hmmm...would seem redundant due to tmos larger 4g network and since they're both gsm networks there shouldn't be an issue.
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I heard on the news tonight that AT&T said that the T-Mobile users would have to get new phones to be able to use the 3G. Yes report said 3G. Looks like AT&T is planning to turn off the T-Mobile 4G and go with their 4G system. So this news of faster T-Mobile is not going to be good news for us T-Mobile customers.
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Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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I read that at&t is shutting down the 3g band but u can still access the 4g bands since it will be the same at as at&t's..
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Yeah, i read on several sites that att is going to turn off the tmo 3g bands and convert it to theirs. I guess once the merger is complete it will render all tmo 3g/4g useless once they turn it off. At least us with 4g can enjoy faster speeds before att shuts it down.
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Can you cite any reliable sources that say our phones will be useless? According to t-mo, they will work fine...
http://www.tmonews.com/2011/03/t-mobile-posts-question-answer-on-att-acquisition/
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Agree with the guy above. Sources?
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Here is one link. ATT want current T-Mobile "4G" spectrum for LTE. GSM will continue to work on TMO phones the way I read it.
http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/21/confirmed-atandt-wants-to-use-t-mobiles-aws-spectrum-for-lte-bui/
Att is looking to add frequencies to their new phones coming out. That way they can free up some of the congestion. If you think about it....killing off the tmo 4g would be stupid. Heck we only get 2g where I live now. Do you really need 3g or 4g? Nope I get plenty of wifi when out and about! Failed attempt by att as far as I'm concerned.
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I highly doubt they will turn off T-Mobiles 4G it would be a disadvantage to service and a useless expense.
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this would be great if i was getting drastically higher speeds on my mt4g. I get maybe 1 mb higher (on avg) than a non hspa+ device. so i dont care if it is 100mpbs im not seeing any huge speed boost in my HSPA+ area (miami, fl)
Quick question, doesn't the nexus s have the same bandwidths as t-mobile AND at&t? If so, the nexus s it is.
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The only thing I'm worried about is at&ts plans. Once my contract is up having to switch to there worthless plans is bs. I got unlimited everything right now.
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I've already rebooted, removed battery/sim, tried to switch network modes, etc. I can't get it to connect to 4g and I'm in a "4g very good" area. I contacted tmobile chat and they are not sure what is happening and suggest I swap for a different phone. Really? Is this a common problem?
Maybe you can check out one of the many threads concerning data issues instead of making a new one.
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You probably got the wrong sensation. The one without the 1700 UMTS band
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You probably got the wrong sensation. The one without the 1700 UMTS band
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Where do I find this information?
Assuming you purchased the Sensation from T-Mobile it shoudl work as long as they placed a 4G capable SIM in your phone. Without it you won't be able to receive 4G service.
Is there a way to tell if I received a 4G capable sim? I ordered online, so I just got it in the mail today.
I went in today and Tmobile swapped out my sim card for a new one - I get the same issue to. And I was advsd they are not 4g cards - just updated cards
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I went in today and Tmobile swapped out my sim card for a new one - I get the same issue to. And I was advsd they are not 4g cards - just updated cards
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Did the new sim fix the problem?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1128335
My issue with 4g in Texas. Seems like many others are having data outages as well and not just with the S4G.
The guy on chat said there are currently no 4G outages in my area.
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The guy on chat said there are currently no 4G outages in my area.
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Chat dont know sh!t. I went through the same song and dance. Call up customer care or 611 on your phone and see if you get an automated response regarding data outages.
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I went in today and Tmobile swapped out my sim card for a new one - I get the same issue to. And I was advsd they are not 4g cards - just updated cards
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Where they able to replicate your issue on any of the handsets at the TMobile store? If its a coverage issue all of the phones at the store should experience the same problem. Unless it's something specifically wrong with your phone.
You tried switching the network to CDMA only? That should not let your phone connect to 2g
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Well guys, I went down to a t-mobile store and guess what?
4g isn't up yet in my area. They are currently working on it.
So that's kinda messed up...I mean, the coverage chart shows 4g up and running in my area already. I drove to the city next to mine (10 miles), and sure enough, 4G pops up.
the coverage map in green is not for 3G or 4G. its for the 2G network. try locking it on WCDMA ONLY if you don't get a signal you are outside of the 4G coverage area. I just use WiFi. what city is this?
I know the coverage map in green is voice, the purple/pink map is for 4g. That map shows my area covered under "4g very good."
Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it go to 3G if you don't have 4G? And if you don't have 3G it goes to 2G(EDGE)?
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Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't it go to 3G if you don't have 4G? And if you don't have 3G it goes to 2G(EDGE)?
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Yes. But if your area has been updated to just hspa+ then if you leave that it'll go to edge
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Yes. But if your area has been updated to just hspa+ then if you leave that it'll go to edge
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So basically, on a 4G phone you can't get 3G?
Let's say a 3G phone enters that area, it'll get 3G right?
From what I understand, 4g is basically 3g, so if you don't get 4g, you go to 2g.
Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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Hi all. I have just looked at my optimus 3d (uk) and my network is.showing EE (This is the name of oranges 4g network they will be rolling out soon.
Does that mean this phone is fully 4g compatible? (I know the thrill is 4g but would like clarification)
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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That's strange, I'm on T-Mobile UK but my O3D hasn't changed yet to EE although I've had a text to say it will, so I guess their in the process of rolling out the new network. The phone is 4G ready (T-mobile confirmed last week) but you will need a new 4G sim card and obviously a new 4G price plan for it to work.
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I think you are confusing that the Optimus 3D is considered 4G ready in the US as they stupidly refer to HSDPA as 4G over there, which over here is 3.5G. There are no 4G ready phones over here yet as the EE network uses a different frequency to what current phones support for LTE (what powers 4G). They will require phones specifically adapted to their network and so no doubt they will be priced accordingly.
I figure the point is moot anyway as the poor speeds on T-Mobile aren't due to limitations to do with 3.5G, they deliberately throttle your speeds. That leads to be to believe that the related cost to actually get a decent speeds on their 4G network will be pretty high.
Its for this reason I am not bothered about 4G yet. For general web browsing the 1Mbit I get on 3.5G is sufficient, if I want any faster I can use WiFi. If I really REALLY needed more speed I would switch to Three which would get a huge speed boost without needing to buy a new phone. I only stick with T-Mobile because their call/text packages are good value and their coverage is excellent, which is more important than uber speed browsing to me.
That's 4G ready as in EE's 4G band will be in the 1800 Mhz range and that's one of the ranges that the O3D is capable of receiving. That was confirmed to me by T-Mobile UK.
I would expect that EE's 4G offering will come at a premium (at least for about a year until the other networks can provide 4G) but a work colleague popped into a new EE shop and they told him that an unlimited data plan would only be about £5 over and above a current 3G unlimited data.
To me, that sounds pretty good...
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I'm an an O2 unlimited data plan and I'll keep it going when 4g gets rolled out. I plan to pay no extra charges, same way I tether for free.
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So, my phone is rooted and unlocked.I pop in my sim card, put in access point info that was in my old phone that got 3g (desire z/g2) and I only get edge. Am I missing a step? Did Tmobile block att bands for 3g use in the USA?
I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:
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I figured it out. Network mode was set to GSM. When it was switched to GSM/WCDMA 4g came in great. Not sure why that would be, as ATT uses GSM only, but there you go for anyone that's searching. :good:
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Do you mean 3G came in when you switched to GSM/WCDMA? Its my understanding this phone, despite its name, can't actually get 4G but rather a somewhat faster version of 3G when 4G is switched on (online it seems to have the unofficial title of 3.5G).
As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.
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As i understand it what the phone companies call 4g is not quite actually 4g. Its 2 channels of 3g which gives a net speed in the 4g range. But 4g lte is actually a 4g connection, which the relay doesn't have.
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Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.
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Meaning the Relay 4G won't be able to access AT&T's 4G connection.
I'm more concerned with it being able to access AT&T's 3G connection. There isn't enough 4G LTE coverage for me to really be concerned with a phone that can't access it. In 2 years times, YEAH, but for now, no, I just want decent 3G.
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It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.
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It shouldn't have a problem, as long as it's unlocked and you've set up your APN properly. I've moved my T-Mobile service to an LTE-capable LG Optimus F3, and put an H2O Wireless SIM into the Relay (H2O is an MVNO that uses AT&T's network). AT&T's HSPA+ works fine on my Relay.
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I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
The labeling of HSPA+ as "4G" was pure marketing BS; T-Mobile started with that, and AT&T followed suit. I suppose that dual-carrier HSPA+ reaches into 4G territory from a speed standpoint, but I've never seen DC-HSPA+ outside of T-Mobile's network.
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I've read about T-Mobile's marketing "trick" but I didn't realize AT&T did something similar.
Well like I said, once I get this phone I should be fine for a good 2 years just using 3G and data. That should give the market time to catch up in the 4G department, by which time I'll be ready to move on to another phone anyway. Thanks for the info. :good:
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I've seen H20 at Best Buy, for some reason I thought it was an MVNO of T-Mobile. I was going to go with the AT&T GoPhone.
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Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.
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Yes, "H+" (aka 42Mbps 3G) works fine on the Relay with AT&T Go Phone. It's what my wife is using, and it works fine. Faster than my 21Mbps HTC One X on Go Phone.
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LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:
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LOL :laugh: Ebay, my friend. Cheap and new for less than $250. I'm buying myself one for Christmas, I urge you to do the same. :highfive:
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Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.
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Yeah, I bought my wife's for $140 as a manufacturer refurb.
No way do I want to swap my HOX for a Relay, just saying her 3G is markedly faster than mine.
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lol alright cool, understood. Well I'm ready to go to the Relay 4G. Love my Epic but its time. GSM here I come.
And I see you're from San Diego. I was there briefly just to catch a plane, but I always wanted to go back to visit. If you live there and 3G on GoPhone works just fine, I should be good. :good: