Im planning to buy either one of this phone but something is confusing me about the 3G. I dont have a 4g plan only 3g. Will there be a difference in speed if i use 3g for both phone?
I copied this from gsm arena. This confuses me???
G2x HSDPA, 21 Mbps; HSUPA
Optimus 2x HSDPA, 7.2 Mbps; HSUPA, 5.76 Mbps
G2X is for USA T-Mobile bands 4g/3g, edge as well. The optimus 2X is for European bands on DT
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks. Be careful as there are some P999s marketed as 2X, such as in Canada by Wind Mobile. G2X is a proprietary T-Mobile name and only they can use it. So you should think in terms of P990 and P999, not 2X and G2X.
I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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I was reading somewhere that tmobile's 4g is the same speed as wind's 3g
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T-Mobile doesn't have true 4G. They have HSDPA+ which can get speeds up to 42Mbps but you never see these speeds in real life. The modem in the P999 (G2X) has a max download capability of 21Mbps. There is no definition of 4G so carriers like T-Mobile can call anything they want as 4G as a marketing ploy. Here in Thailand we have 42Mpbs speeds now but nobody has the balls to call it 4G. For example, TOT3G calls it 3.9G. So yes, it is very possible that T-Mobile's 4G is the same as Wind's 3G if Wind is running HSDPA+, which most carriers have deployed by now.
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It depends on where you are going to be using the phone. The 2X (P990) baseband chip is slower than the G2X's (P999) baseband chip. Having said that you need to buy the phone based on where you plan to use it. The P999 only works on 1700 and 2100Mhz 3/4G networks. The P990 works on 900, 1900 and 2100Mhz 3G networks.
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I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
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I'm in the USA. What coverage can I get with my G2X (P999) in Europe?
And does the suffix make a difference? Mine comes up as an LG-P999bn.
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Almost all of Europe uses 2100Mhz so you are better off with a P999 (G2X) because it has a faster 3G radio (21Mbps) as compared to a P990 (7.2Mbps). Both phones will work in Europe on almost all (if not all) 3G systems.
"BN" is a new one. Haven't heard of that one before. Most of the suffixes don't mean much. They designate hardware revisions or refurb units. Other known suffixes are DW, DWU, DWDP and WA. You sure it is "BN?" The LG Updater doesn't show that suffix as supported as of yet. Probably because yours came with the latest v21e rom so there is nothing for the updater to updater yet on yours.
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Is there any practical difference between the two or are they just rebranded versions of each other?
I'm sitting with my LG Thrill 4G right now and am looking to get some sort of root happening so I can manage this battery life..
pretty sure it's just branding but don't quote me on that.
All tech sites list them as the same so don't think there is any real difference.
If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?
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If they are identical does that mean that the Optimus has a 4G radio?
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AFAIK neither the O3D or the Thrill has true 4G radio, as I understand it it's just that some updated 3G stuff are OK to call 4G because of the upgrade even though it's not really 4G.
As I remember AT&T and some other network had a case before the review board that decides what is what because their ads said 4G but it's really not, but because of the speed upgrade they where doing etc it was decided that it could be called 4G.
I might be totally wrong and the Thrill 4G really has a 4G radio but I don't think so, I think most of the 4G phones are actually 3GPP LTE.
LG.com on Thrill said:
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HSDPA 14.4 Mbps, HSUPA 5.7 Mbps
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Looks just like the O3D so unless the Thrill 4G for AT&T is a one of a kind AT&T specific phone that no other carrier can have then the 4G is marketing and nothing else.
CASE AND POINT
http://www.motherboard.tv/2011/1/7/...etwork-proves-4g-doesn-t-really-mean-anything
Will a g2x.fully work on at &t?
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It will work, but you won't get 3G... Only EDGE.
What is the status of this? If I remember correctly the G2x specs initially listed full compatibly with ATT's data networks, but attempts to make it work were fruitless.
Is there a chance (no matter how slim) that an updated baseband could enable ATT 3g data, or does the hardware truly not support it?
The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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The hardware does not support it. T-Mobile said it was a mistake in the promotional materials but with so many shady things about the way the G2x has been handled, I wonder if it was done on purpose. Part of the reason why I went G2x was because it was AT&T compatible. I wouldn't have had to get a new phone should the merger get approved.
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Same reason I chose this phone.
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
Using mine on at&t...I don't pay for their outrageous data plan so I can't comment say if 3g works or not (I don't see any 3g notification on the phone), but it does work other wise. Who needs a data plan when you have wifi every where you go? I use a wifi app for texting so I'm not sure if the messaging/picture messaging works, but if someone really wants to know I will try a friends sim card....
You gotta be kiddying me man. Seriously you wanna put this phone on ATT and have all those limitations? Go with tmobile. Awesome service!
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It seems to be an issue with the baseband chip. The 2X uses an Infineon baseband chip and it could have supported 850, 1700 and 2100 (tri-band 3G can be configured for any three bands - optional five band 3G version is available) but the top data speed is 7.2Mbps. On the G2X LG switched to a Qualcomm baseband chip that supports 1700 and 2100 but has a top data speed of 14.4Mbps (also supports quad-band 3G on 850, 900, 1900, 2100 but the AWS version needed for T-Mobile band support is only dual-band). Maybe initially they were going to use the 2X chip but T-Mobile said give us faster data so we can lie to our customers and call it 4G.
For geeks who want to know the 2X uses an Infineon X-GOLD 616 PMB9801 and the G2X uses the Qualcomm MDM6200 baseband chip.
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Jboxer you're always full of great spot on data. Is it your job that relates to phones or just a hobby?
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Just a geek.
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Lol! Nothing wrong with that. Just find a girl that thinks its awesome
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Just a geek.
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Just a geek.
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Respect.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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Guess we'll have to wait and see. They are buying all the equipment as well, so I don't see why it wouldn't work once everything is said and done.
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AT&T is buying T-mo spectrum to kill it and use it for LTE. They're keeping their 850/1900 for 2g/3g. The G2x won't work on their network for 3g, neither will 99% of the other T-mobile phones. They won't keep running the 1700/2100 T-mo 3g frequencies for any decent amount of time. Its in their best interest to have all customers running on one set of frequencies.
There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
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There are now offering the LG 2X on their website, but the screenshots show Vanilla Android not the LG UI. The tech specs say it is 900/2100 3G which would indicate a P990. But they are also claiming 14.4Mbps 4G which the P990 is not capable of, so this would indicate it is actually a P999. But the P999 is 1700/2100 3G, which matches the Milestone XT720 Cincinnati Bell used to sell. Does anyone have one of these and what is it really and what frequencies is it really capable of? Or is this a new model number with the Qualcomm baseband but supporting the 900 band instead of the 1700 band? Either way it would support 2100 band as almost all 3G phones do.
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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The G2x P999 does not have 3G. 2G (Edge) 850 MHz;900 MHz;1800 MHz;1900 MHz; 4G (HSPA+) UMTS: Band I (2100);UMTS: Band IV (1700/2100)
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This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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EDIT: Only T-Mobile has the right to call it a G2x, following T-Mobile's G-series. So if it can't be called a G2x, it has to be called an Optimus 2X
According to the ITU, HSPA+, LTE, and WiMax are now to all be considered 4G technology.
Following a detailed evaluation against stringent technical and operational criteria, ITU has determined that “LTE-Advanced” and “WirelessMAN-Advanced” should be accorded the official designation of IMT-Advanced. As the most advanced technologies currently defined for global wireless mobile broadband communications, IMT-Advanced is considered as “4G”, although it is recognized that this term, while undefined, may also be applied to the forerunners of these technologies, LTE and WiMax, and to other evolved 3G technologies providing a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed. The detailed specifications of the IMT-Advanced technologies will be provided in a new ITU-R Recommendation expected in early 2012.
Source: http://www.itu.int/net/pressoffice/press_releases/2010/48.aspx
http://theunlockr.com/2010/12/20/hspa-lte-and-wimax-now-officially-called-4g/
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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Hence the reason I put 4G (HSPA+). No provider has true 4G here in the States.
The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
Its got to be the p999. Cinbell uses AWS for 3g just like TmoUS
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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The real question of course is which phone is Cincinnati Bell listing and if it is a p999 what firmware does or have?
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Yes. That was the point of my post. I see more bricks and confused users in the near future.
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It would be helpful I think if you could get the system version and radio firmware version.
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If I get a chance to leave the office during the day tomorrow I will see if I can drop by a Cincinnati Bell Store to check out which phone they actually have.
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That's certainly a t-mobile compatible 2X. The specs state Android 2.3.3 though not 2.3.4, so it may be the same build as on the G2X. Or, maybe a newer build but not 2.3.4. Or, whoever did the copypasta got that wrong too. Worth checking into, too bad Cincinnati so far away! Have to depend on the locals...
If it *is* compatible (should be) and a newer baseband and/or firmware revision, then we need to snag someone before they root and flash over so some of us can have a looksee.
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I was actually going to try contacting one of the users who reviewed the phone on the Cincinnati Bell website... One of them I can't find contact info for.. the other, it appears he didn't actually buy the phone from Cincinnati Bell, rather, he got a T-Mobile one on eBay and reviewed it on the website.
jboxer said:
This is not quite correct. T-Mobile USA does not have real 4G service. They offer pseudo-4G service as a marketing gimmick. They are actually running 3G+, otherwise known as HSDPA+. Most carriers in the world that offer this service don't have the audacity to claim it as 4G and usually refer to it as 3G+ or 3.9G. Actual 4G would be Wimax or LTE which T-Mobile does not currently offer. There is no difference in the radios for 3G and T-Mobile's pseudo. So the P999 is a 3G+ device with 1700/2100 band support. It will work on any 3G system anywhere in the world that supports Band 1 (2100) 3G/3G+ service. The baseband chip used in the P999 can support 14.4Mbps download, which is not even close to real 4G service. And in the real world T-Mobile USA customers never even get anything close to that speed.
And by the way. Cincinnati Bell offers the same pseudo-4G service that T-Mobile does deciding to use a similar marketing gimmick. AT&T has recently joined on this bandwagon also. There is no law regulating what 4G is so carriers can call anything they want 4G service.
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HSPA+ is more of 4G then WiMax
This is how tmo 4g rolls where im from. But yeah they could just be using a debranded g2x. Im sure tmo has to do something with all the bricks they get back and phones they cant sale.
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The thing that makes me question the hardware is that they are claiming the HPDPA+ is 900/2100 and not 1700/2100. I think it is probably a typo on their part but would like to know for sure.
can somebody check on this. the cincinnati 2x like jb said it shows it have different bad
plus its 2.3.3 but they are saying that its 1080p!!?? after the update and lg removed their camera ui tmous changed their spects from 1080p to 780p can somebody check if the cincinnati 2x have the gb or lg camera?
I flashed Optimus 3D(P920) firmware on LG Thrill (P925) and got it updated to v21a. (2.3.5). now is there a way to change the bands? so I can use the T-mobile or Wind 3G network that uses 1700/2100 bands? Cause originally the phone has HSDPA 850 / 1900 / 2100. so is there a way to put the P920 baseband in to make it work on the 1700?
chances are it already has 1700 mhz band on it with v21a. only thing left to do is to change apn setting. for tmo its epc.tmobile.com. few people have confirmed on this thread
forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=1316554
The post above is correct I am using my thrill with v21a with apn epc.Tmobile.com
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1700 mhz on thrill for t-mo
right !!!!! some one school me please..
i have a U.S. lg 4g thrill p925. 3 months old, its unlocked and on t mobile (2g sucking service). i have read EVERY thread on here .
seems they all say v21d or v21a firmware to get 3g on t mo service.
my thrill has v20p and when trying to change to v21d it states software current.
so besides switching to H2O service to get 3/4g .... can any tell me how to get 1700mhz on this phone for t-mo????????
well im looking into moving to straight talk under t mobile... Ive had both at*t and t mobile here in nyc and i would have to say t mobile gives me better speed at the sacrifice of some low signals. (in regards to t mobiles HSPA+ network) now ive been looking at these phones as ive sold my old phones and will be starting fresh with a new phone to start straight talk service ( i no longer have my phones from t-mobile or at*t)
Motorola MB886 Atrix HD
Pantech Flex P8010
Optimus L9 P769
HTC Raider 4G
LG Thrill 4G P925
HTC Sensation XE
myTouch 4G
now on gsmarena it list the different bands (freq.) these phones above run on.. even if some of them originally were made for only one carrier such as the (pantech flex).
My question is how do i know if the phones listed above are DEFINITELY COMPATIBLE with the straight talk T MOBILE HSPA+ network ( when i had my old t mobile galaxy s II i was getting 6-8Mbps with ease)
Assuming i would have to unlock the phone of choice regardless if its a carrier exclusive yes?
Are there any specific bands i should look out for to know for sure that the phone WILL work on the HSPA+ network of T-MOBILE? can an unlock pantech flex originally exclusive for at&t work on t mobile HSPA+ network without a problem with the same data speeds Ive seen?
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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I have the Optimus L9 (P769).. I have Simple as my carrier, which is also a T-Mobile MVNO.. I average about the same speed as you with your S II.. The Optimus is a good phone, though it does have a major drawback.. You can't move apps to your SD card.. Even though mine has been rooted, still not possible.. It does have a slot for an SD, But it's only good for music, vids, etc. And with only 2GB internal storage, it's really not that much..
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It is very rare for a non T-Mobile branded phone to be able to utilize the full T-Mobile 4G. They use the 1900mhz band which is pretty much a T-Mobile USA exclusive.
They are, however, refarming their spectrum to allow for AT&T 4G capable phones to use T-Mobile 4G, but it is not quite widespread yet. They are rapidly doing this and expect them to be done by the middle of next year when they deploy LTE. If you live near a large city, chances are the towers have been refarmed
Oh. And if the phone is T-Mobile branded and released in the last year you should have HSPA+ 42 which is blazing fast
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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Sorry, not to be argumentative, but 1900mhz is the band that T-mobile is refarming to use for HSPA+. They did not previously use it for high speed data.
In the US, T-mobile was the only carrier to use the AWS band for high speed data, which uses both 1700/2100 mhz for up/download.
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My mistake, always mixing up the two. Haha
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